Presidency upset over 'urban legend'

2011-08-02 16:38

Johannesburg - The presidency has still not reacted to the second public protector report because it is busy "following due process", a spokesperson said on Tuesday.

Forty-five days after a provisional draft of the "Against the Rules Too" report made front-page news in the Sunday Times, President Jacob Zuma had yet to react to findings against police chief General Bheki Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde.

Zuma's spokesperson Mac Maharaj said in a statement: "We have... noted the lamentations by commentators that it is taking too long to respond to the Public Protector reports. Things are done procedurally in government and decisions that are taken must be informed by facts, after following due process.

"Government does not act without interrogating information placed before it.

"President Zuma has been engaging the minister of police, Mr Nathi Mthethwa and Minister Mahlangu-Nkabinde as there is information that is required from them in response to the reports."

Once this process was concluded, Zuma would submit a report to the Speaker of the National Assembly.


Maharaj said the presidency was upset about "an urban legend" that had "crept into" editorial comment and columns in "some media products".

"The urban legend doing the rounds states that President Jacob Zuma relieved Mr Geoff Doidge of his duties as public works minister in October last year and appointed Miss Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde in his place for the sole purpose of getting her to approve the leases, which Mr Doidge had apparently dodged to do," said Maharaj.

"This is all based on a rumour that Mr Roux Shabangu, owner of the buildings, is supposedly a friend of the president. The rumours are without foundation and it is disappointing that some newsrooms have published or broadcast the rumours as fact, without even checking with the presidency.

"The president barely knows Mr Shabangu and any statement to the contrary is false."

Also, there was no link between the "release" of Doidge and the appointment of Mahlangu-Nkabinde, said Maharaj.


The Sunday Times ran the story alleging mismanagement in a lease agreement for police offices in Durban on June 19.

On July 14, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela officially released her findings, saying Zuma should take action against Mahlangu-Nkabinde for failing to co-operate with her office during an investigation into two controversial building leases, one in Pretoria, the other in Durban.

Madonsela said the police's attempts to lease the building from Shabangu amounted to maladministration.

Cele's failure to ensure the correct tender procedures were followed also amounted to maladministration, she added.

In February this year, Madonsela officially issued her first report, titled "Against the Rules", alleging unlawful police lease deals. It dealt with a R500 million deal for new police headquarters in Pretoria.

  • samzaG - 2011-08-02 16:50

    Why the Pres does nt mandate the fellows to cleans their names in the court of law

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-02 16:58

      And this is the guy that says he is not a "song and dance brigade", contrary to what Moeletsi says. It takes him 45 days to answer to a probe that already has the evidence in it.

      Rolie - 2011-08-02 17:33

      President Zuma has been engaging the minister of police, Mr Nathi Mthethwa and Minister Mahlangu-Nkabinde as there is information that is required from them in response to the reports" That means that they are trying to get their sorry a$$es out of this problem?

      Master debat - 2011-08-02 17:44

      Zuma has lost the power of speech, or simply can't keep up as to where in the 'ANC guide to getting away with corruption' to find the excuses. It is pilling up. We are still waiting for word on Sicelo Shiceka issue ! Come on buddy

      Mike@CapeT - 2011-08-02 17:55

      JZ's philosophy in life is.....'if you ignore the problem long enough, the problem will go away'.

      cliffarc - 2011-08-02 17:59

      - Procedures, due process, further information, innocent until proven guilty; All Anc delaying tactics - all talk no action. They all talk but say nothing, hoping all the corruption cases will go away. What a circus.

      Dominic - 2011-08-02 18:43

      Zuma has responded to this "urban legend" about his involvement so quickly that his response is the first time I've heard of it. So the man can react with astounding speed depending on what he sees as a priority.

      Kraut - 2011-08-02 19:48

      ..und der haifisch, der hat zaehne und die traegt er im gebiss...Mac the Knife...Bert Brecht..

      Dave50 - 2011-08-03 05:26

      I voted for JZ so please JZ don't let us down now

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 06:55

      ZUMA FIRED JEFF DOIGE... becuse he, Zuma, was "HEPPY" and looking foreward to HIS CUT.... Leopards DO NOT change their SPOTS.... only their territories...

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 06:57

      They "GOOI" their toys when the Youth League say some crap about Botswana... but when SERIOUS ALLEIGATIONS gets made against people HE PERSONALLY APPOINTED, he RETREATS INTO HIS SHELL! What a SPINELESS RECTUM!

      BigMoose - 2011-08-03 08:09

      A Big Mac with cheese, lots of cheese. - 2011-08-03 08:11

      "Things are done procedurally in government and decisions that are taken must be informed by facts, after following due process." I think this means after they try to cover their tracks, who knows with such a corrupt group of people, I wouldn't be shocked if the Prez is implicated.

      Dries - 2011-08-03 08:33

      Becos daPres can not cliens hiz own name in a cot of law regadding da ams deal.

      Mr_Red - 2011-08-03 09:40

      Zuma has no voice. Except for the occasional public holiday stage appearance to 50 000 adoring free-yellow-shirt wearing maniacs, where he does his little dance and then claims whoever does not dance to the ANC's tune will be dealt with by the forefathers' spirits, when do we ever hear anything meaningful from this clown? The tax paying people of this country pay his salary, his housing, his trips, his protection, and for the upkeep of his 5 wives and multiple kids. I only think it fair he start contributing to the lives of all citizens, not only the uneducated and unemployed. And please MR. President - hiding behind process is a poor excuse; process is there to streamline functions, not hamper them further

      Organist-1 - 2011-08-03 12:09

      he he he he he . Just busy looking for a scapegoat again as usual. Let's face it, The ANC are in BIG trouble all round from Malema to the arms deal and being as slow witted and uneducated as they are, they don't UNDERSTAND all the legal jargon. Bury in the sand and hope it will go away? The blind leading the blind. Zuma hasnt lost the power of speech. He just cant speak ( or read the speeches written for him). Count how many times he gets stuck and the number of times he pushes his glasses back up his nose. This country desperately needs a LEADER. Not someone the youth league can twist around his pinkie. Goebbels (Hitler's propaganda minister) said--" if you tell a lie with conviction long enough, even you will end up believing it the truth".

  • Spaffy - 2011-08-02 16:52

    I think I have taken a liking to Madamsela...

      nic - 2011-08-02 17:20

      haha, nice 1 :) madamsela and madam zille. together they can hopefully do something about the corruption in SA

      Kraut - 2011-08-02 19:49

      We need more people like this woman..VIVA DEMOCRACY!!!

      Organist-1 - 2011-08-03 12:15

      We need a Margaret Thatcher here for 2 terms to sort out the dysfunctional mess the ANC have created in 17 years. Just look how she pulled Britain out of the mess left behind by Wilson's labour party

  • Kareltjie Boshoff - 2011-08-02 16:53

    If you deny it, it is TRUE! Maharaj stop selling us your BULLSH*T brand of atchar! Also, why WAS Doidge suspended then?

      RowRobCk - 2011-08-02 22:15

      scorpions.. hawks ..vultures ...jackals ..stuff all!!!

  • MandlaSithole - 2011-08-02 16:54

    Oh yeah Mr Maharaj? Lets not forget there are allegations pending against yourself and your involvement with Shabir Shaik and the N3 tender deals. We might just be waiting for another 7 years to hear what the president has to say.

      OuWitBooi - 2011-08-02 17:50

      This is the same Mac Maharaj who told us last week that Showerhead had acted totally within the law in extending the chief justice's contract. And then the constitutional court said Maharaj is a liar. I choose to believe the judges rather than you, Mac.

      umhlopo - 2011-08-02 18:37

      Maharaj thinks he is still selling stolen car parts

      Kraut - 2011-08-02 19:54

      Tii..iime is on my side...yes it is...what a pathetic bunch of self enjoying masturbates ( or just plain..WANKERS)

      Boerseun - 2011-08-02 19:59

      Maharaj, will forsure hate you reminding us of his "shady" past. Good for you and us.

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 07:00

      Maharaj STILL RECEIVES a HUGE PORTION of the Drivers License you are FORCED to renew EVERY 5 YEARS... CHARR-O has his bread BUTTERED on both sides!!

      Jo - 2011-08-03 10:34

      I'm beginning to think that responsible leadership is the real urban legend - why does it appear that the Public Protector is the only dept standing up for the law?

  • Bok Fan - 2011-08-02 16:55

    JZ is just hiding behind Mac whom nobody trusts anyway. He thinks the nation will forget while we watch the Malemayeni clown show.

  • arthur.amgen - 2011-08-02 16:55

    "Government does not act without interrogating information placed before it." What ever shower head 783. You need time for your spin doctors to prepare propaganda for the mindless masses who vote for you.

  • PMG - 2011-08-02 16:55

    Banana anyone?

      MandlaSithole - 2011-08-02 17:00

      I'll have that with some gravy please....

      lumbani ganyali - 2011-08-02 18:21


  • Markal - 2011-08-02 16:57

    Blah blah blah lies lies lies lies blah blah blah...

  • Eric West - 2011-08-02 16:57

    To apply one's mind would require that one actually has a mind! ;) Q: How do you know that Mac is lying? A: His lips are moving!

      Wes - 2011-08-02 17:24

      No Eric A: When you see him

      Creeky - 2011-08-03 08:46

      Maharaj will steal the gold from your teeth, WHILST talking to you...

  • Independenth - 2011-08-02 16:58

    Take all the time you need Mr Presidency there is no urgency in this matter. Follow all the due process and hopefully make an informed decision.

      Gallows - 2011-08-02 17:07

      No urgency? o.0 ... not sure if serious...

      IandI - 2011-08-02 17:20

      You mean he is reading the report, 2 words break, 2 more words break , etc as usual? My, it will take 100yrs to read it all!

      Martin - 2011-08-02 18:36

      If yoy Mr Zuma were really concerned about corruption and what the public thinks of you as in " urban legend " you would have reacted swiftly and be seen to be leading !!! You have not. Why not, that is the question.

      Kraut - 2011-08-02 18:48

      ....500 years later..what was this about?? Pull the other one!!@rsehole!!

      Organist-1 - 2011-08-03 12:23

      They are totally unable to make any "informed" decision. The bottom line they first ask is "how will this affect my position in government, How will this affect my pay How will this affect my votes of support. How can we blame the pre-1994 government. The whole dragging up of the Helderberg saga is a clever diversion tactic ---- like a magician--- Divert attention to something else while we manipulate the "evidence" behind their back.

  • Slapper - 2011-08-02 17:00

    More spin than a whirling dervish. Mac, you take first prize in the Bull***t stakes. JZ is stuck firmly to his seat and is not prepared to upset anyone, particularly his ANC mates.

  • World Traveler - 2011-08-02 17:02

    The President has the facts. Where is the action? The clock is ticking. The nation waits.........

      OuWitBooi - 2011-08-02 20:25

      Please remind me - did JZ ever take action on anything?

      IC1 - 2011-08-03 09:42

      @OuWitBooi, yep he got a hard on and made some kids

  • BryanJhb - 2011-08-02 17:04

    so why shud we believe u? as far as most of us are concerned zuma is a crook ... thats the only logical inference we can draw

  • Braddle - 2011-08-02 17:05

    Where there's smoke there's fire, there is more than meets the eye in this story, and our so called president has a hand in this somewhere. The longer they take with this the better thay can cover up the fact Mr Zero Under standing of Miniskirts and Aids(zuma)and his presidency were all involved. They know full well that there is no honor amongst thieves; if one goes down they all go down...

  • ZumaGabe - 2011-08-02 17:08

    The FACT that we have a president is a flippen urban legend. Mac you and showerhead 783 make an embarrasing Laurel and Harvey show. Lazy, incompetent and corrupt retards !!!

  • Keith - 2011-08-02 17:10

    Mac you really know how to talk the talk, but this time get the President to sit down and read the report and do something about the two Public figures involved they should be fired............but does he have the guts to do it!!

      tokoloshe - 2011-08-03 09:37


      Matt :-) - 2011-08-03 09:41

      @ Tokoloshe - using capitals? Careful, Malema will call you a CAPITALIST... lol

  • cava1 - 2011-08-02 17:24

    "The president barely knows Mr Shabangu and any statement to the contrary is false." Isn't that what Jackie Selebi said about Glen Agliotti

      Mark Haupt - 2011-08-03 10:20

      That's what they all say about anybody accused of everything. Think this is known as transparency but may also be known as smoke and mirrors or government-speak.........

  • Darryn - 2011-08-02 17:29

    Spineless b**tards

  • Gerard - 2011-08-02 17:29

    methinks both zuma and maharaj are in imminent danger of tripping over their noses

  • Dog!! - 2011-08-02 17:34

    At last Mac Maharaj and JZ exposed. And JZ promised to remove the non performers in the Municipalities yet he can't clean his own act. Maybe the public should implementing KPI's (Key Performance Indicators) for the Presidency first. What a joke. How are they going to protect themselves and their comrades without anyone taking the blame. Now let me think! Hmmmmm call a friend. Call Max Clifford he knows how to lie on TV without blushing and then still has the audacity to send you an invoice.

      capetonian - 2011-08-04 08:17

      Yes, Max Clifford - another cynical opportunist! It's amazing how sick Dewani got when he found out that he had been charged with conspiracy to murder his wife! Didn't look too sick before he left....

  • nicholas holmes - 2011-08-02 17:42

    Ag shame, they hurt his feelings.

  • Tilo von Brandis - 2011-08-02 17:42

    Shabangu, Cele and Mahlangu-Nkabinde have the Prez by the proverbial b*lls. He told them to do the deal, now the whole story has come to light and he has to do something. These 3 have told him that they will not be the fall guys and if he fires them, they will squeal. Now the few braincells in the presidency are running in overdrive. Eish! Many months of contemplation...

  • OuWitBooi - 2011-08-02 17:52

    Mac Maharaj said in a statement: "Things are done procedurally in government and decisions that are taken must be informed by facts, after following due process." If this were true you wouldn't be up to your neck in crocodiles you lying idiot.

  • 1SAIBn88 - 2011-08-02 17:55

    and we all know what "following due process" means. It means doing nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • daaidoos - 2011-08-02 18:08

    Showerhead is desperately hoping we are going to forget. I don't believe Mc Liar. We won't forget so quit stalling and start prosecuting

  • Steve - 2011-08-02 18:16

    A strong President makes comments that show his strength.Sadly that passed when Mr Mandela moved on.Mr Zuma you deserve your critiscism.

  • Mark - 2011-08-02 18:18

    Due Process = do stuff all - Zuma you are the President FFS

  • StoneAngel - 2011-08-02 18:20

    Shame poor old Prezzie you are upset - have you any idea how many thousands out here are upset with YOU and your non- performing, corrupt, incompetent thieving lying allies - stealing all our hard earned money. We hope you remain upset!

  • CKS - 2011-08-02 18:21

    Zuma also said he did not take a R55 million bribe. He dissolved the scorpions, (first chance ) he got. When Boesak wass found guilty of stealling from the poorest of the pootr and the most helpldess (it wass called freedom accounting). Ther problem in the New Soth Africa is the sspin doctors think everybody else is as stupid as their voters.

  • flummoxed - 2011-08-02 18:22

    Write on Journos of the Media.. Wherever there's smoke there's fire and the fact is, too many reported fires are too close to home for the comfort of all who ridicule and procrastinate.

  • Doug - 2011-08-02 18:25

    What an RSOL!

  • KarinWalker - 2011-08-02 18:27

    the prez cant read big words like 'corruption' and " illegal" and doesnt know what they mean! he's gonna take a year to read that report! lol

  • Kobie - 2011-08-02 18:31

    Mr Prez the best way to get out of it is to use the famous last ANC words " Madamsela your judgment is out of context"

  • anfield - 2011-08-02 18:32

    there aint no smoke without fire!

  • umhlopo - 2011-08-02 18:35

    these pricks have been following so called due process for seventeen years,all they do is follow due process and get nothing done.I dont think there is another government in the world that is lauched at as much as this one

  • Benzo - 2011-08-02 18:50

    "Things are done procedurally in government and decisions that are taken must be informed by facts, after following due process". What was with that judge a week ago?? something un-constitutional? Following due process by the President can end in an unconstitutional decision. Promising future.

  • T de J - 2011-08-02 19:41

    where there is smoke there very often is a fire. are we allowed to comment on this story? or will they charge us with treason ???????????

  • ariete - 2011-08-02 19:54

    If it takes 45 days to read a report, how do these people think they can create 1 million jobs in a year - with due process and lack of political will, I predict they will be able to create 100 jobs (remember a job in public service is not technically a job because it drains the fiscus instead of generating income)

  • Boerseun - 2011-08-02 19:59

    The truth: The presidency needs time to get things in place to hide the facts, organize paydays for all invloved etc etc...

  • The_Librarian2 - 2011-08-02 20:21

    Waffle waffle stalling tactics.

  • TheDrake - 2011-08-02 20:28

    Mr Maharaj Indeed, more spinning than a whirling dervish. Why apply the audi alterem partem rule repeatedly? They had the opportunity to co-operate with the PP. Furthermore, nemo iudex in causa sua - that is why virtually nobody trust the President or the ANC to do the right thing - if the President want to survive his current term. We know that deployed cadres such as your good selves and the President have no right to act independently against other deployees. To formally consult party structures prior to acting against members of the executive is a dubious outlandish strategy to say the least. The Pres is destined to learn the hard way that what goes around comes around. Parliament will have to accept a motion of no confidence in the Pres and cabinet before he will act against his comrades - and that we know will most probably never happen.

  • Allin - 2011-08-02 21:11

    What a useless cunch of bunts cANCer is...

  • Vince.York - 2011-08-03 01:33

    Taking an additional wife especially if on taxpayers bankroll is these days normally a solution to all the problems! Gets everything glued together and better "connected" and further attention is focused solely on BLING no matter if transformed or derived from imperialist nations or even out from a Walmart stall. :-( Concentrate on the important things of life in other words.

  • Nkalakatha - 2011-08-03 08:03

    The President needs to spend more time in his own country and sort out the problems here, than flying all over the globe !!! Tata Mandela must be crying in his heart to see how the ANC has become one of the most corrupt organizations in the world !!!

  • Smaal - 2011-08-03 08:21

    I’ve heard an urban legend myself: “African politics on the African continent are fair, honest, just and to the benefit of all”. Of course I started laughing uncontrollably.

  • Dries - 2011-08-03 08:40

    What a dysfuntional country. Mostly because the voters are dysfunctionally inept in understanding what they are voting for. I see Julius says he is "not a capitalist". He is correct - he is a communist who is enjoying the fruits of capitalism. Once SA has become completely communist he still will enjoy the capital taken from unmentioned sources - he will NEVER go communal. SA is not on it s way to become a banana republic it has been since 1994.

  • tokoloshe - 2011-08-03 09:35


  • IC1 - 2011-08-03 09:40

    Hahhahaha Mac, trying his best to be a "spin doctor" LOL Is he not too old to be playing silly fool, expecting the rest of us to suck up and believe his drivel? I mean really Mac, get into construction, build a bridge and get over yourself.

  • tennilleg - 2011-08-03 09:53

    When is someone going to teach them that they actually have to lift the rug before they sweep?

  • Taff2 - 2011-08-03 09:59

    How much more proof do we need that Zuma is either a moron or just treats us with the contempt we deserve for electing him? Why else would he and his cronies employ a character as unsavoury as Maharaj as a spokesman? It is evident that he commands even less respect from the public than Zuma himself-quite a feat! As for comment on Maharaj’s rantings, it is pointless as it just a load of repetitive drivel.