Public protector: Cele acted unlawfully

2011-02-22 16:55

Pretoria - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela on Tuesday found that national police commissioner General Bheki Cele was guilty of improper conduct and maladministration when the police entered into a R500m lease for the Sanlam Middestad Building in Pretoria.

Briefing media in Pretoria she initially only referred to "the accounting officer" of the SAPS as being guilty of improper conduct.

Asked who this was, Madonsela said Cele, as head of the police, was the accounting officer.

She found that the accounting officer of the department of public works was also guilty of improper conduct and maladministration.

Madonsela found the lease between the department and property tycoon Roux Shabangu's Roux Property Fund to be invalid and in her report she had requested that the National Treasury should review the lease to see what steps could be taken to terminate it.

Durban report not finalised

There was no evidence that Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa had been involved in the deal.

A violation of public administration laws did not necessarily amount to a crime, she said.

Madonsela still had to finalise her report on a building that police wanted to lease in Durban. She expected this report to be finalised in the next month.

Many of the people involved in the Pretoria deal were also involved in the Durban one.

"One of the things we are still trying to ascertain is how did Mr Shabangu get involved with SAPS," she said.

This, Madonsela hoped, would become clearer when the investigation into the Durban deal was completed.

  • bashphil - 2011-02-22 16:58

    Send Cele to Libya. They know how to deal with no-goods there.

  • goyougoodthing - 2011-02-22 17:03

    Cele needs to go to jail for fraud and corruption. Simple. - 2011-02-22 18:42

      You think? Everybody thought the same about Zuma... Surprise Surprise... We have a mass movement stuffing up our country. When the masses see this they go back to the poles and vote them back in power...

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-02-22 19:25

      "A violation of public administration laws did not necessarily amount to a crime, she said." Huh? Erm, I am probably uninformed but why is breaking a LAW not a crime? In which cases is it legal to break a law? Can anybody enlighten me so I can break laws without being charged with a crime. Cele has been weighed and proven to light for his function. In any civilised nation that would lead to dismissal if needed. Most found guilty of this resign on their own accord. Lets see how civilised Cele is and the SA government.

  • GaleForce - 2011-02-22 17:04

    so now what? some more mess swept under the carpet? what now happens to those involved?

      Zip23 - 2011-02-22 17:44

      Dont know what now. Its gotta be said that he is at least a better Comissioner than his predecessor. Seems to actually want to contain crime, and some good things has happened since he took over. Prefer him to someone like Selebi, who just denied the problem day in and out.

      Grant - 2011-02-22 18:46

      @Zip23 - same as Zuma is doing something about unemployment!? He's the same corrupt stinking no-good greedy scum as the rest - just wearing a slighly different mask. Promise the world whilst stealing it??

  • SimonP - 2011-02-22 17:07

    So obviously Cele will be fired with immediate effect? This is blatant corruption, if Zuma fails to act it will underline the common belief that Zuma and his band of thieves condone corruption.

      Dave - 2011-02-22 17:14

      And remember that by default, he is now guilty of lying before Parliament...

      Mundu - 2011-02-22 18:09

      You know that Zuma condones corruption, he still has to answer for his corrupt arms deal. Of course he won't say a word about Cele, neither will Cele they are both too busy with their snouts in the trough of public money.

      Bill - 2011-02-22 19:20

      You know the real answer SimonP...squat will happen in the long run...unfortunately!

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:08

      Where is Slippery Shaik, is he still alive?

  • Mctoff o lux - 2011-02-22 17:10

    Hao Banna!!! Chamer Mthwethwa

  • SaligSondaar - 2011-02-22 17:11

    Good. Now everyone wait with baited breath for his punishment - I expect he will get at least NOTHING. O wait, being an honourable man, he will cetainly resign. Ha-ha.

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:08

      BoneUs time.

  • JohannV - 2011-02-22 17:11

    Nail his ass!!!

  • Fred - 2011-02-22 17:18

    Lets hope that the appropriate punishment will be dished out. However with all due respect to the Public Protector how can someone who violates the public administration LAWS not be guilty of a crime. Law is Law. It is yours and my tax money that is at risk here there needs to be swift action Jacob.

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:09

      Not if you an AintSee member, then you are forgiven & go to heaven.

  • Logs01 - 2011-02-22 17:19

    He,he, so what now? "General Cele, you were a naughty boy, PAT,PAT, Ok now you can go fuck-up something else!!. Ai, Naughty Boy, eish

  • Dal68 - 2011-02-22 17:24

    Can we please appoint a Commissioner of Police who isn't a criminal.......

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:10

      hahaha happy hunting pal, not amongst this corrupt bunch

      Peter - 2011-02-22 20:43

      That will only happen when they actually start appointing someone who has worked their way up the ranks. So you can forget it

  • alltainted - 2011-02-22 17:29

    Whaat? Did Guptazimzuma Pty Ltd not get its cut?

  • nakkie1616 - 2011-02-22 17:30

    racist criminal!!

  • Piet - 2011-02-22 17:34


  • Sedick - 2011-02-22 17:35

    nou gaan die K@K spat....back-handers have been paid already, Mercs have been bought, now what.......

  • Marc Privett - 2011-02-22 17:37

    here we go again....

  • burtfred - 2011-02-22 17:39

    Now watch Thuli Madonsela get removed from her post. If you mess with the ANC nomenklatura, you arse is toast.

  • TGIL - 2011-02-22 17:41


  • Kenneth - 2011-02-22 17:42

    So what now? I would say as normal all will be squashed. Years ago there were the Van der Merwe jokes, Now to the world South Africa is the joke.

  • SimonP - 2011-02-22 17:44

    Where else in the world is being a criminal an essential requirement for the head of police? Improper conduct, maladministration, lying to parliament, abusing his public position, misappropriation of public funds. Has got to go to prison.

      KaiinSA - 2011-02-22 18:00

      Its a requirement for ANC membership Simon they need at least 4 out of the 5 to stand favour with the top brass and all 5 plus a rape or murder charge to be top brass. Show me an ANC member who hasn't committed a crime and I'll show you a liar.

  • Chibuli - 2011-02-22 17:47

    How did Shabangu get involved with SAPS? I could tell you, but that would be "politically incorrect". Suffice it to say, he should be investigated for "possible irregularities". Watch the story unfold.

  • Tsotsi - 2011-02-22 17:50

    People people!! The world cup has gone! What else can the ANC do to fill the coffers for the local government elections & for the next general election? Oh ye naive one's! Simply lets lease buildings from party favourites & create corruption! Lets face it Zuma is useless & his got a Parliament of theives who helped milk funds from the World Cup tenders! Watch some how the E-Toll system will go through & the Karoo gas explorations plus many more dodgy deals!!

  • jaycee - 2011-02-22 17:50

    "A violation of public administration laws did not necessarily amount to a crime". Really? So why are these rules there and happens to people who empty a cash till?

  • thinker - 2011-02-22 17:56

    Here is the opportunity for the ANC to PROVE they are serious about fighting CORRUPTION and CRIME!!!! No suspention with full pay, just go to jail (do not collect R200)

  • maseratifitt - 2011-02-22 18:05

    I think Thuli Madonsela deserves some credit here. She must have resisted ANC pressures in arriving at her decision and making it public. The remedial action which should follow, will however be the acid test.

      lmduplessis - 2011-02-22 19:51

      I just hope she doesn't get fired or forced into a sideways "promotion" to parts unknown for her service to the public. She deserves better.

  • Norman - 2011-02-22 18:16

    and so the corruption saga continues by the two chosen "idiots"who's primary objective is to get CRIME under control.Whilst they "bullshit" the SA public they are helping themselves.The good honest majority should stand up and get rid of Zuma and his croonies,if it can be done in Egypt,Tunisia,Libya........why not SA and Zim!!

      burtfred - 2011-02-22 19:15

      What is a "croonie" Is it a small person who sings slow, sloppy lovesongs? If Zuma has croonies, I wonder if they sing the romantic version of mshini w'am with string quartet in the background, clutching red roses to their busoms.

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:16

      @burtfred a CROONIE is a corrupt crony.

  • Vivian - 2011-02-22 18:22

    You people are realy killing me with your comments...but i agree even if it means that she would have to go to libiya then she must be sent there coz we are buzy getting rid of corruption and people like them are contributing to the increase of corruption....

      SimonP - 2011-02-22 18:59

      Busy getting rid of corruption? Your president is corrupt,\the head of police is corrupt. How is exposing corruption increasing it?

      Bill - 2011-02-22 19:23

      He, she, him her...Huh! you got the right topic?

      Chibuli - 2011-02-22 20:03

      Excuse me???!!!

      croix - 2011-02-23 09:25

      Vivian, go make the tea - just now the boss catches you at his computer!

  • VM1 - 2011-02-22 18:30

    Very dissapointed with the General - I thought he would be differen from from Jackie - 2011-02-22 18:45

      General? You must be joking! He is a self proclaimed ant that gave himself the name...

      Alan - 2011-02-22 19:12

      NOT a general. He is School teacher & a thief.

      Alan - 2011-02-22 19:13

      Sorry a GENERAL THIEF !!!

      Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:17

      make that GENERAL MERCHANT

      Worldwise - 2011-02-23 01:38

      A real general reaches his rank by starting at the bottom and being promoted on merit regardless of colour or political affiliation. A real general does not walk in from civvy street into the rank, like Cele did. Nowhere else in the world would he ever be recognosed as a general. We're the laughing stock of the world.

      Logs01 - 2011-02-23 08:23

      @VM1, you are always either disappointed or surprised. If you used your "intellect" that you so arrogantly try to prove in other posts, you would have KNOWN from the start, like everyone else with intellect, who and what Cele is and what kind of a job he will be doing. NO surpises here ever!

  • Mxhuma - 2011-02-22 19:09

    In terms of the hierarchy, who does Cele report to? Is it (1)the president(2)the minister of police(3)parliament

      Chibuli - 2011-02-22 20:04

      Ultimately the people - in a democracy. Oops, sorry - we're not a democracy!

  • Andy49 - 2011-02-22 20:05

    they thought they could get it 1 times nice, now they can get it 2 times twice. Any bets that Cele gets a big fat BoneUs for being so creative, perhaps he should be rewarded with a mere 10% of the lease, R500m = R50m or will his 2% kickback from Shady Roux suffice.

  • - 2011-02-23 02:59

    Could this be only the tip of the iceberg? What other properties were leased in the past and from who? Cele consistently said that there is nothing irregular with the lease. The Public Protector Report indicates otherwise.

  • thabo - 2011-02-23 08:53

    The only thing to find out now is : how much he got out of that lease? I sign, you cut me a piece of the cake.

      croix - 2011-02-23 09:33

      One other thing is: How much the taxpayer is screwed over for, in order to cancel this 'corrupt lease'? Shady Roux is in on the conspiracy - he should also be investigated.

  • ji - 2011-02-23 08:56

    of course cele acted unlawfully , he and the ANC have always thought they are above the law , it the culture thing , dishonesty , no self respect , lie and steal , steal , steal

  • Hardtalk - 2011-02-23 17:36

    Just like the rest of the corrupt police force, sack the pile of shit.

  • serobale - 2011-02-23 19:00

    Birds of the same flock, if he never thought committing fraud is a crime, when saying the police should shoot to kill criminals, then he thought wrong, because he is now on the other side of the burrel, let's see if Zuma will pull the trigger and fire him, we all know he doesn't have the guts, he was once there and walked free.

  • benjvanniekerk - 2011-02-24 08:58

    Sjoe, maar julle is lelik met die generaal. Hy gaan een groot'performance bonus' kry en nuwe merc.

      jon paper - 2011-02-24 10:08

      is so f***kd up dat jy vergoed word vi sulke sshhht!

  • jon paper - 2011-02-24 09:30

    another one.....nee man ouens , is dit a mission om die land economically te rape of happen dit per ongeluk ??? and everyone will keep these guys , corrupt as they may be power for as long as possible...go to the poles , hungry , cold , dirt poor and vote for these guys...again and again and again...ashamed to say that i also voted for them ....jirrrr

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