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R250m payouts for former councillors

2012-01-04 10:14

Cape Town - Taxpayers will be coughing up about R250m for former councillors who were not re-elected in last year’s local government elections.

This despite research by Municipal IQ, an independent online information service on local government, showing that between 2006 and 2010 there were 277 protest marches against bad service delivery.

Mbulelo Musi, spokesperson for the co-operative governance and traditional affairs department, said the money will be used to compensate former councillors who had served their full five-year terms for their “hard work under extremely difficult circumstances”.

“The payments are in recognition of the great contribution to service delivery made by former councillors to improve people’s lives.”

He said about 5 000 councillors from all political parties from all over the country will qualify.

Joint decision

Musi said the department, the Seriti commission for the remuneration of public office-bearers, the SA Local Government Association (Salga) and the national treasury had taken a joint decision on this.

The treasury has budgeted R256m for this purpose.

Musi would not say whether the payment, which equates to three months’ pensionable salary, will be performance-related.

“The commission did not say anything about performance, but we foresee no problems in this regard.”

Municipal trade union Samwu spokesperson Tahir Sema said they oppose the payments.

“It is a waste of money that could be spent on service delivery. It would be better at least to link it to councillors’ performance. If they had performed well, there would not have been any protests about service delivery, would there? How does one compensate such people?”

Derek Luyt, an analyst with the Public Service Accountability Monitor, also said the money could be better spent elsewhere.

“I can find no justification for something that was not budgeted for and with which aggrieved councillors are now being pacified.”

Luyt said this set a dangerous precedent. “They should get nothing. This represents everything that is wrong with our political system, where office-holders see their work as just one more way of making money.”
 

Comments
  • Bardy - 2012-01-04 10:21

    So with 5000 ex councillors and R250 million makes it R50 000 each! What a nice bonus when the country is going down the drain!

      Bongani - 2012-01-04 10:29

      I'm speechless. Do they sit all day long and think up ways to blow money on unnecessary stuff?

      Annelise - 2012-01-04 10:30

      This is total BullShot!! What is wrong with this country? Are they absolutely crazy? Nee man, this can not go on.

      david.streicher - 2012-01-04 10:37

      eish, the money she grows on trees here.

      spartanx93 - 2012-01-04 10:44

      just another day in deep dark Africa!

      Fred - 2012-01-04 11:16

      Why ????? Now we are the world's leaders in rewarding failure !!!! Can't do the job? No problem, have R50,000 for being useless.

      Xenswim1 - 2012-01-04 11:33

      A lesson on how to keep your cadre faithful. There is one thing that can be said about this great government, they spend more time on working out how to screw the system than working on real life solutions. What beats me is that they are good at working out short cuts, thievery and such but cannot find solutions to everyday problems. I once asked an armed robber why it was that he could use his brains to plan to rob my premises but not start a decent business. His reply "This is our business" Learned a lot that day.

      godesha - 2012-01-04 11:40

      @flowingriver. I take it then that you are one of those councillors who will be getting a nice, fat bonus? If not, how are you benefitting from this? Let me tell you in case you don't know. You are NOT reaping any benefits and you never will because the fat cats are just looking after their own back pockets. Do you for one moment think they even care about a person called "flowingriver" or any of their people? No, my friend, they don't give a hoot about anybody but themselves.

      WotzisName - 2012-01-04 11:42

      This makes me sick! Stories like this make me ashamed to be South African! How much more blatantly corrupt and useless can our government prove to be?

      Squeegee - 2012-01-04 11:55

      The gravy train has a venter trailer attached.

      Angus - 2012-01-04 12:17

      @FlowingRiver THat is just the problem...from time immemorial that is pretty much all you guys have done. ...Enjoyed your time in the sun.

      Msholozi - 2012-01-04 12:39

      what is rong with rewarding our leaders for there hard work?

      Walter - 2012-01-04 12:48

      @Msholozi: The voters did not re-elect them, seems to me they possibly did not work so hard? And instead of wasting such a huge amount of money on poor performers, maybe build 5,000 new houses for the poor instead?

      Dirk - 2012-01-04 12:56

      Good! The sooner the coffers run dry or the golden goose dies, the sooner they can start over. I just have my doubts if they will learn anything of the imminent collapse.

      Bob - 2012-01-04 12:59

      Msholozi, for one thing some of the money wasted could have been spent on getting you an education, you could take classes with flowingriver, he talks about the same nonsense as you but can probably spell slightly better, more waste by your crap government.

      RSole - 2012-01-04 13:18

      CHOO!CHOO! All aboard the gravey train.

      Perfume - 2012-01-04 13:18

      @Flowingriver, South Africa is our home, would you like to return where you come from, wherever that is!!!!

      Perfume - 2012-01-04 13:19

      @Msholozi, your leaders don't work at all, the only thing they are good for is STEALING!!!!!

      RSole - 2012-01-04 13:27

      @Flowingriver: Based on all the cr@P floating in our rivers, your name is quite apt.

      Sean - 2012-01-04 22:07

      @Msholozi - What leaders ?? You can not call them leaders , they are all a bunch of criminals !! Idiot !!

      Sean - 2012-01-04 22:08

      @Flowingriver - That is exactly why Africa is one big f@ck up !! Stop crying about the west and apartheid , LOOK AT YOUR OWN ROTTEN LEADERS !!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-01-04 23:45

      @ Msholozi.. Firstly they were not re-elected because of their hard NON WORK., More than 300 different strikes and upheavels over non delivery. Secondly they were just like you.. uneducated..probably bought qualifications and they too couldn'nt spell :Wrong: WTF..what a freakin stupid coment to make. "Rong" go back and rewrite grade 3, useless idiot!!!

      shrieker.daenyme - 2012-01-05 15:03

      All this money is going to do is tell them that the pathetic work they did do was great and acceptable. Another brilliant way to prevent ambition and growth.

  • mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 10:22

    I had to read this article twice: "Hard Work" - what sleeping in the chambers or not attending at all? "Great contribution to service delivery?" What service delivery???? All we are doing day in and day out is throw money out of the window - money we DO NOT have! And money we NEED in job creation, infrastructure, poverty elimination etc etc. When does the damn gravy train finally come to a screeching hold??????

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 10:24

      And maybe just they are ex-councilors because they were so useless - that they were voted out!!!!!

      spartanx93 - 2012-01-04 10:45

      the hardest part of their day is having to wake up for work in the morning.

      Deeteem - 2012-01-04 10:52

      @spartanx93 : the hardest part of their day is to wake up to go home !!

      Marius - 2012-01-04 11:26

      @Mike. Not always. There was a white woman on the mayor's exec in PE who did an excellent job in her portfolio of economic development. The problem was that it made her fellow ANC councillors whose porfolios were in shambles look extra crap, so what did they do?They removed her name from the ANC's candidate list before the elections and put one of their non-white buddies on the list in her place. The councillor now running her former portfolio has been one of the useless under-performing ones.

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 11:36

      @ Marius - I am sad for the lady; and I am sure there are one or two others who were also omitted because of that reason. But 99% of those councilors do not deserve a penny - and what you said shows once again what agenda the ANC is loving most - self enrichment, self celebration - to serve the people - not our problem!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-01-04 23:54

      @ Spartan.. Only half a truth. Once they get to work they go to sleep again

      Patsy - 2012-06-17 18:14

      Mike, I honestly think they believe in the money tree. Probably the tooth fairy and Father Christmas as well... What a life, huh, sit and doze all day and get paid millions for it. Unreal!

  • Thando - 2012-01-04 10:26

    This is unacceptable. Where is the service delivery they speak of ? Come to the townships and see their "service delivery"

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 10:32

      Thando - I agree - in the first week of 2012 - our government has thrown out R 650.000.000 out of the window; R 250.000.000 in bonus' and R 400.000.000 for the ANC party.... what could one do with R 650.000.000 - how many houses, streets, schools, hospitals, jobs could be created.... it is SCANDALOUS!

      ianofborg - 2012-01-04 11:43

      just ask on ambulance how hard it is to get around in the townships! i'm with you all the way!

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 11:44

      @ Frank - Agreed!

      Ronald - 2012-01-04 12:19

      Spot on, Thando. In this country mediocrity is rewarded handsomely. Councillors get bonuses, under performing teachers get bonuses while while the badly educated matrics get their next to worthless diplomas, gonernment employees found guilty of criminal activities get golden handshakes, the list goes on.

      Patsy - 2012-06-17 18:16

      Thando, they couldn't see past all their personal guards....

  • zaakiro - 2012-01-04 10:28

    Eish....When you got the job you earning, when you dont you earning.... Floxen load of rubbish if you ask me !!! Every cent spent on bonuses is a cent wasted in my opinions. Bonuses should be earned, it shouldn't be a norm. Roads are in the worst possible condition, councils are almost bankrupt, water supply, electrical supply is at its worst. School are under managed, education is at its lowest, crime continues to be a major factor, courts are failing the system, job creation is just a joke....sooo where is the floxen "SERVICE DELIVERY" ????????? Can Mbulelo Musi answer that......???

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-01-04 12:39

      You forgot the sewage running down the streets. The stink of theft in high places is the same as sewage.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-01-05 00:02

      @ Seanred.. It's got a name.. Look up a few comments... Its called "flowing river".. and it can even say something. Not that anybody agrees with IT

      John - 2012-01-06 08:58

      @Zaakirinho, and the Eastern Cape needs a R50m bailout to pay the teachers. But Fu$k are we going to piss it up in Bloem who gives a toss about anything else. Put some more coal in the Gravy trains loco. HEEHAA!

  • Robert - 2012-01-04 10:31

    But teachers are not allowed bonuses? What a joke!

      John - 2012-01-06 09:02

      What bonuses? The Eastern Cape teachers might not get paid if they don't get a bailout.

  • Deon - 2012-01-04 10:33

    The Gravy train never stops: "Money for nothing" comes to mind.

  • christoffel.nel - 2012-01-04 10:35

    Sies!

  • Jason - 2012-01-04 10:35

    Pathetic...

      Sean - 2012-01-04 22:10

      Just a normal day in Africa , run by a bunch of buffoons !!

  • Dianna - 2012-01-04 10:36

    This is unbelievable ! I must agree with Mike - shock and absolute horror - in a country crying out for job creation and better service delivery - This is absolutely disgusting !

  • Geronimo - 2012-01-04 10:36

    Shocking waste of money, but nothing surprising given the way our taxes are used as pig feed.

  • Pieter Scholtz - 2012-01-04 10:37

    This is the craziest thing that I have ever heard of. You must know that things are wrong when SAMWU object to a bonus payment that is not linked to performance. And on top of that, where do you hear of someone getting a 3 MONTH PENSIONABLE bonus, where maybe one month would have sufficed!!!

  • Lucinda - 2012-01-04 10:38

    All the more reason to keep politicians in check, a great platform to do this is www.mobilitate.co.za

  • Silver - 2012-01-04 10:41

    I’m sorry but out of experience I can tell you that 90% of the counselors are useless and more of a problem than anything else. Most of them are uneducated and like a child in a sweets shop. There is no way in hell those “bonuses” can be justified and honestly council will function better without most of them but leave it to politicians to corrupt and screw everything up.

  • Lynn - 2012-01-04 10:41

    I cannot for the life of me understand this. This is absolutely ridiculous. Why all this waste?

  • Kooven - 2012-01-04 10:42

    It's only the freaking 4th of Jan and the government has already managed to throw R650 000 000 down the drain! R400 000 000 on a party and now this...lol! 2012 (i can't watch)

      Jason Morgan - 2012-01-04 11:08

      As long as this ANC government is still in power nothing will work out for the hardworking ordinary south Africans. The only solution is to vote them out of power.

      John - 2012-01-06 09:12

      @Jason Morgan, and guess what they are going to cast themselves in R400m worth of concrete this weekend all these self serving bastards are going to be there, reveling in their so called 100yrs of leadership. And the uneducated masses are going to chant VIVA cANCer Viva. F...Me.

  • marcandre.daniels - 2012-01-04 10:45

    The sad thing is, the poorest out there still vote for such crooks and their predatory party. The voices we hear in this forum are informed. The problem is that the poor electorate is voiceless and left out of the loop, when such news breaks. The ANC rules on ignorance; that's their legacy: ignorance & stupidity!

  • Bigwolf - 2012-01-04 10:45

    Sorry for sounding negative but only in SA does one get a bonus for poor service delivery. Sad very sad.

      spartanx93 - 2012-01-04 10:54

      the problem is they are constantly allowed to get away with doing these type of things. It has been done for years and unfortunately we are all keyboard commando's complaining on a forum when we should all be complaining in the real world at these municipalities demanding on what ground do these people deserve this bonus!!

  • Daniel - 2012-01-04 10:46

    I believe the voter is solely responsible for this nonsense. Mark my words, they will continue voting like sheep despite all this nonsense. It is about time ones IQ level is used to determine fitness to vote (of cause it fits the ruling party that the majority of the electorate is incapable of using their brains). Before the "champions of blacks" shout, I am also black

      comurray - 2012-01-04 17:06

      @Daniel: thanks for putting it so openly, as you say they will keep voting like brain washed goats expecting the promises to be honoured. That is why the multitude is kept uneducated.

  • reg.tischendorf - 2012-01-04 10:47

    Good grief, what craziness is this? Where are these idiots living???

      comurray - 2012-01-04 17:08

      In the lap of luxury where do you expect. None of then live in RDP housing or shacks.

  • Michael - 2012-01-04 10:51

    The ANC can carry on doing stupid things like this because the majority of the electorate are so stupid they will keep on voting them in.

      wo0two0t - 2012-01-04 11:11

      It boggles the mind how stupid some people are to vote for such scum. Talk about redistributing wealth… where to… the rich not the poor - more like the poor will be poor till Jesus comes home – and that’s why the ANC is in power and will be for many years.

  • Deeteem - 2012-01-04 10:53

    I walked past an ANC election poster once, please may I also have a bonus ?

  • TenRas1 - 2012-01-04 11:01

    Out of words!!! Next tym we not going to change them so we can keep the 250m

  • lebo.lathane - 2012-01-04 11:05

    Legalised extortion! OUTRAGEOUS!!!

  • joseph.malefu - 2012-01-04 11:07

    “The payments are in recognition of the great contribution to service delivery made by former councillors to improve people’s lives.” This is the great service that you are talking about (open toilets, corrupt police,tallgates, killing of Andries Tatane,F*** off African National Corrupt) you can waist our money, but this is coming to an end soon.

  • chris.khanye - 2012-01-04 11:12

    And who said a career in politics doesn't pay..... eat your hat!

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-01-04 11:14

    No money for teachers . Big bonuses for idiots. You got to love the ANC .

  • Trevor - 2012-01-04 11:14

    Happy New Year...the gravy train is leaving the station again.... and what is gonna be next?

  • Garth - 2012-01-04 11:15

    There has to be something very wrong with a `government' that gives bonuses for ineptitude. When even one's partners in the majority governance criticism the stupidity of one's actions, then surely one should take a step back and reassess the situation. But that is not the worst of it. NO! This useless, useless government is giving the bonuses to idiots that LOST their positions. Is there any one out there stupid enough to enter this forum and support this ludicrous, blatant, idiotic, crony-ist corruption. Damn how I wish a bunch of a$$-reaming aliens would descend upon this country and suction up all these anc idiots for removal to the middle of a desert planet with no lube.

  • Matete Frank Kekana - 2012-01-04 11:15

    wat i've realised mense sal nog noit happy wes nie, look u not happy with the current goverment make sure u campaign 4 the party u think wil make u happy, simple is a free country, u guys r always looking 4 something negetive al the time, u guys r not the only tax payers, if their bosses think they deserve the money let it be.

      Garth - 2012-01-04 12:18

      Found one . . .

      Lee - 2012-01-04 12:25

      @Matete but we are paying for it not thier bosses and my hard earned money that I put in is to improve South Africa and all its people, not to give away to those that did not do their jobs. Open your eyes and then you will see many ways for the use of that money.

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 12:26

      @ Matete Frank - South Africa is the ONLY country on this planet where inefficiency and doing nothing is rewarded - shows how great our country has become. With the exception of a few all those councilors were booted out because of that; as they DID NOTHING!

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-01-04 12:44

      R U Nuts?

      Paul - 2012-01-04 16:52

      if you pay tax you have a say Matete Frank Kekana you dont so keep quiet @#$% JY MAAK MY OOK siek

      Matete Frank Kekana - 2012-01-04 21:50

      look i speak my mind, u have a problem go hang urself. U have a problem with the ANC go to Australia maybe there u wil be happy coz ANC is going nowhr.

      Matete Frank Kekana - 2012-01-04 22:06

      paul i dont get u, if i make u sick then y u reading my comment mr special tax payer, @ lee i get wat u mean but some people r saying al tis just en most of them benefit 4rom the current goverment, now that they dont have a share in wat is given out hulle praat maar net.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-01-05 00:20

      @ Matete Frank Kekana.. onother piece of sewrage trying to say something! You seem to be in the "Flowing River" (see abov) on your way to the sewrage farm. Get an education.. and a life!

      Matete Frank Kekana - 2012-01-05 08:12

      @ alan am not gona discuss my education level with u mr so called very educated if u had a life u whr gona say something that wil make u sound matured so clearly u not, u talking like a high skool boy, turn the finger u pointing @ me to urself, get a life man.

  • Wouter - 2012-01-04 11:17

    Who must I bribe to become a councillor?

  • Bianca-Anne - 2012-01-04 11:20

    But what this article did not end as the Article published in the "THE NEW AGE" (a FREE NEWSPAPER)- I wonder why - but have my suspision it has much to do with January 8. The part that was not published in above mentioned article is : "James Lorimer, show minister of cooperative governance for the DA, said that being a councillor had its professional risk and the DA supported the payouts. 'If you want to attract hard-working, quality people to be councillors you have to make the position attractive,' he said. Lorimer said that it was not a 'one size fits all' situations as some councillors were doing a good job, while others were not". Strange that this part was not published. For the record Councillors according to my understanding are elected, the position does not need to be attractive ... it is maybe necessary for them since they seeking prestige ... the most other parties does not go for that. Strange that the part that the DA is supporting this highly was forgotten. But again I suspect all these article's will surface before and after January 8. The writing has been for many years on the wall : the strongest Liberation Movement will be 100 years old on the 8th ... much more than any other Movement on Africa soil or elsewhere and maybe it is time to report the facts as it is, without leaving vital information out. James Lorimer; shadow minister of cooperative governance for the DA supports this. Everyone in the ANC knows it is only for 5 years, nothing beyond...

      Bianca-Anne - 2012-01-04 11:23

      Correction it must be : ... But why did this Article not end as the ..." and "James Lorimer, shadow minister ..." Apology for the grammer mistakes - I might have been over eager to stress out the differences and for those not believing ... check out the article in the "THE NEW AGE" dated Tuesday, 3 January 2012 | www.thenewage.co.za

      Albert - 2012-01-04 12:28

      Bianca ,all politicians are sheits. Too lazy to do an honest job.Manipulators of the ignorant masses.Greedy ,dishonest normally uneducated idiots.From councillors to president,all the same.They can send young people,cream of a nation,to war to fight their battles. They live in luxury off the hard earned pittance of the populace.They break laws,which they have made for other people but themselves.AROGANT FU-KS

      sean.redmond3 - 2012-01-04 12:46

      You make me puke.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-01-05 00:46

      @ Bianca-Anne.. Dont want to call you a liar.. I like your comment. Just went to the page you mentioned, and the correct date but found nothing of what you claim to be the DA's support for this waste of money. Why not copy and paste the "support" you mentioned. Bear in mind that the DA did not lose any seats and got considerable gains with this last election. Thaks anyhow for an informative and intelligent comment.

  • Gerhard - 2012-01-04 11:20

    We do not need the ANC. If we want to reward continued incompetence we can do that ourselves. Quite obviously the recipients of this money did not get re-elected because of bad performance. REWARDING MEDIOCRITY IN THE FACE OF POVERTY???

  • selvngovender - 2012-01-04 11:21

    I shouldn't say that I am surprised by the way our Government spends money on superfluous things. I wonder sometimes how much our Government is in touch with the news. Do they really know that thousands of people are dying everyday because of their mismanagement? Do they know that thousands of people in South Africa don't have decent, relatively modern ablution facilities? Do they know that numerous thousands of people don't have clean drinking water and as a result they are diseased and are nearing fatality? Do they know that while they budget millions of rands on expensive means of travel, on luxury hotels and on expensive food, there are numerous thousands of their constituency who do not have a place to live in, many live under cardboard boxes and many are dying everyday because they do not even have a slice of bread to satisfy their dying bodies? The most potent question i have for my government this morning is this, "Do you know that every time you choose to line your pocket with another rand that you know you have enough of, you are participating in the murder of countless thousands of your people; of my people. You are an accessory to murder!? In my opinion, what Hitler did to the Jews in the Holocaust you are doing to South Africans. The method of killing is different, the means of killing is different, but the result is the same. You are as murderous as Hitler. This is an outrage. This is deplorable! This is against human dignity!

  • Had - 2012-01-04 11:31

    It should be paid out of the coffers of the relevant political parties that they represented - not from State funds.

  • paul.duplessis - 2012-01-04 11:32

    Don't cry about crime because government is fostering it.

  • Paul - 2012-01-04 11:41

    No surprise yet again,all they are doing is conveying the message that only those who work for government and who are part of the government are the people who prosper in South Africa at the tax payers expense,its still is and will always remain a mystery to me why their people who are amongst the poorest of the poor in some instances carry on voting the ANC government into power...

  • Reshma - 2012-01-04 11:41

    Who ever suggested this ridiculous idea should fork out this money. Hmmmm maybe I should work for govt. no work = good pay and bonus....

  • lerato.selane - 2012-01-04 11:53

    Damn I should have been a politician ;-(

  • Piet - 2012-01-04 11:53

    But no Bonusses for Teachers! You suck!

  • Lyzelle - 2012-01-04 11:54

    The payments are in recognition of the great contribution to service delivery made by former councillors to improve people’s lives"" - THE ONLY ONLY LIVES BEING IMPROVED ARE THE LIVES OF THE USELESS COUNCILLORS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Miriam - 2012-01-04 12:08

    no work no pay.........I think we tax payers should stop paying tax.......

  • Andre - 2012-01-04 12:10

    South Africa is going the same way as the rest of Africa quickly-wow and eish.

  • Lee - 2012-01-04 12:13

    And the Government get richer and richer whilst South Africa and all its people get poorer and poorer.

  • Mandla - 2012-01-04 12:13

    This is the only department the ANC trumps everyone in - Funds allocation

  • Raul - 2012-01-04 12:15

    For their “hard work"? Or should we rather say for working hard? I reminds me of a particular tv advert. Since it is not the 1st of April, is this a joke? If they worked hard why weren't they re-elected? Were they too tired and decided to retire awaiting the forthcoming pay-out? So the media is indeed conspiring and all those service delivery reports were in fact "Happiness" Service Delivery Marches?

  • Tertia - 2012-01-04 12:17

    What is happening to this country!!??

      Peter - 2012-01-04 12:38

      FUCT THATS WHAT HAS HAPPENED THANK YOU ANC

  • hermanus.engelbrecht - 2012-01-04 12:17

    Let me tell you, this is K.......country. Think we must go back to the bush and see who survive.

      Peter - 2012-01-04 12:37

      NO WAY ITS TO EASY IN THIS LIFE TO SURVIVE, LOOK HOW THEY CARRY ON ENDLESS MONEY AND MISERY FOR EVERYBODY

  • Glenys - 2012-01-04 12:18

    No way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Zifnab - 2012-01-04 12:23

    The ANC's centenary slogan should read 83 years of selfless struggle instead of 100years. I really don't think the last 17 years was much of a struggle (except to fasten their belts) and it definitely wasn't selfless.

      Albert - 2012-01-04 12:33

      Struggle?What a load of BS.They keep it alive to continue their SCAM. The ANC .The longest running scam in Africa.

      Peter - 2012-01-04 12:35

      ONCE A TERRORIST ORGANISATION ALWAYS TERRORIST ORGANISATION, WHEN IS THE WORLD GOING TO WAKE AND STOP ALL HELP TO AFRICA, AS IT IS STOLEN AS SOON AS IT GETS HERE OR EVEN BEFORE

      mholthuysen - 2012-01-04 12:46

      Zifnab - apologies but you should have written "loosen" their belts - as with their self-interest they have just gotten fatter and fatter courtesy of the tax payers monies.

      Zifnab - 2012-01-04 13:12

      Mike; Yup, I suppose so but the fat, overindulged ANC individuals have run out of holes on their belts - hence the struggle to fasten their belts.

  • Lesley - 2012-01-04 12:26

    When are the governments around the world going to realise that in Africa the black people actually do not care about their fellow man. All they are interested in is lining their own pockets. Black on black violence is perfectly acceptable in Africa.They actually do not care.