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Review number of provinces - ANC

2012-06-29 20:10

Johannesburg - An ANC commission has adopted a proposal that the number of provinces in the country be reviewed, national executive member Nomaindia Mfeketo said on Friday.

"We made a concrete proposal at the policy conference - which was adopted - that we review, reduce and strengthen provinces, but what is more important in that recommendation is that this cannot be done through a thumb-suck," she told reporters at the ANC policy conference in Midrand.

"The president needs to appoint a commission... with expertise to deliberate on how to demarcate the country [and] what number of provinces do we need."

She said that with provinces, the country would always have "issues about hanging on as a unitary state".

According to a report earlier on Friday, the ANC commission at the conference agreed to reduce the number of provinces from nine to six.

Mfeketo said she had read the report, but that a decision would be made by a commission, which would be appointed by the president to review the number of provinces.

She said the process should be completed between 2015 and 2016.

Mfeketo said the commission to be appointed would have to take into consideration tribal boundaries when reviewing the provinces, especially in KwaZulu-Natal and the Eastern Cape.

"We are not going to be able to do away with tribal boundaries, but hope to tamper with apartheid boundaries... ," she said.

Commission member Lynn Brown said the issue of single elections was discussed.

"Two commissions agreed that the current system of separate elections will be retained," said Brown.

"But in the future, we will have a set [of] studies done on why it should be left that way."

She acknowledged that holding elections was expensive, but said that could not be the only reason to revert to a single election, instead of the currently separate local government and national government elections.

Mfeketo said the commission had also discussed the role of district councils.

"A district council can only exist where weak municipalities will never be financially viable," she said.

Commission member Yunus Carrim said national and provincial government had to get more involved in municipalities.

"This creates a more integrated state," he said.

"It's not ideological, it's practical."

Carrim said a more integrated state would accelerate service delivery.

Comments
  • smili.fication - 2012-06-29 20:16

    I CAN SEE WESTERN CAPE BEING MADE AWAY WITH! THE GOVERNMENT ARE RATS. THEY SHOULD NOT PLAN THESE THING BECAUSE THEY WONT BE IN POWER TO IMPLEMENT THEM.

      lownabester - 2012-06-29 22:51

      I like, I like, They are such a bunch of idiots.

      carpejugulim - 2012-06-30 05:41

      One would have thought that after 19 or so years of being in power the anc would have moved past "apartheid" but every time the powers that be make their momentus decisions to scrabble for power and votes the "apartheid" flag gets dragged out and waved around. "We are not going to be able to do away with tribal boundaries, but hope to tamper with apartheid boundaries... ," she said. In changing from 4 provinces to 9 surely the "apartheid boundaries" had already been removed? Will this governmentt ever move past waving the "apartheid" flag and actually do something towards making a better country for all the inhabitants?

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-06-30 08:56

      THEY KEEP MENTIONING APARTHEID AFTER 18 YEARS,,I THINK THEY WANT APARTHEID BACK,AT LEAST THEY HAD HEALTHCARE AND EDUCATION AND JOBS THEN.

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-06-30 08:59

      THEY WILL NOT TAKE THE WESTERN CAPE WITHOUT A FIGHT FROM A VERY HIGHLY WELL TRAINED MILITIA THAT IS IN WAITING FOR THEM.KEEP THE REST OF SOUTH AFRICA BUT KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF THE WESTERN CAPE OUR FUTURE HOMELAND FOR ALL TO LIVE WHO WANT TRUE AND REAL FREEDOM

      downwiththeANC - 2012-06-30 18:38

      Why not go away with all provinces and have it one state- call it the banana republic of South Africa. The %^&% ANC just wants to take control of western cape. Bunch of nincompoops

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-06-29 20:29

    In short, the aim is to make the Western and Eastern Cape one Province again in order that the ANC gain majority rule there again. But to not make it to obvious, they will combine another one or two also just to be able to use as an excuse to those objecting against this.

      Godfrey - 2012-06-29 20:59

      @Kobus....My only hope is that the caders in the others provinces (outside of the WC) will object and revolt against it.

      jeanpierre.dumont - 2012-06-29 21:10

      Gees dude you are paranoid.

      bones.meintjies - 2012-06-29 21:57

      Combination of the eastern and western cape will give it to the da, given the projected gains in both provinces come the next elections.

      Nicholas - 2012-06-29 22:04

      The welfare of this country is irrelevant to the ANC. Instead of raising the standard to that of the Western Cape, they would rather destroy it because it makes them look like incompetents. They are in it for themselves, and no one else.

      Marco - 2012-06-30 00:05

      nothing worse than the smell of old garlic

      alf.pop - 2012-07-01 10:07

      These morons are too thick to see that they created the 9 provinces in the first place! Did apartheid play a role in that? So now it is apartheid's fault again that in 8 of the nine provinces government structures are non existent or in disarray! When will our moronic government admit that they failed from A to Z WITHOUT the help of apartheid. The logical thing for the present government is to admit their only goal was self enrichment and to ruin the country, step down and go into exile in China or Syria!

  • juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-06-29 20:33

    The Western Cape must break away from the rest of SA if that's the case. Let the anc keep their mess. Hands off the Cape!

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-06-30 08:55

      Tick tock tick tock THE TIME IS COMING tick tock tick tock

  • dave.kofang - 2012-06-29 20:55

    As much as the whole thing is pure madness,people must understand that the western cape is not a republic.It is bound by South african constitution.And trying 2 separate WC from the rest of would ignite something that will be difficult defuse.SOUTH AFRICA BELONG TO ALL WHO LIVE IN IT.

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-30 10:57

      Davy Kof; There must be a correction to your some what misplaced and hollow ridden statement and should read "South Africa belongs to those that have and are still building it up" not incompetent persons who use their new found platform to erode everything white and working in favour of soot and smoking.

      dave.kofang - 2012-06-30 12:40

      @Gieljam im black and not aggreeing with wht the anc is doin.Myself and millions of right-thinking south africans value the future of this country so much to break it apart.

      dave.kofang - 2012-07-01 17:30

      @Chris i dnt knw,maybe if u walk around phoenix n ask ur buddies u will knw.

  • Stephan Swanepoel - 2012-06-29 21:01

    Wow! Cool guys! Can't win the game, lets change the rules! I will fight to the death for the Western Cape, the example of how this country should be run!

  • Adil Smit - 2012-06-29 21:05

    The ANC government changed the country's 4 provinces to 9 and now they want to reduce it again. With 2 previous ANC City of Cape Town members on the commission, any guess what they are planning for the DA - led Western Cape? 2 billion for Swazi King, 2 billion for the president's new plane, 16 billion loan from SA to the IMF etc etc while kids don't have schoolbooks, NEWS24 reporting on Health Crisis in Eastern Cape. Priorities not in the right place.

  • Benjaminiankemp - 2012-06-29 21:07

    The Constitution would have to be ammended, a Unitary state is more prone to dictatorship, our federal state has checks and balances. Each sphere is interdependant and interrelated, dont mess with that. Just get rid of the duplication.

  • kosmonooit - 2012-06-29 21:14

    Perhaps cede Limpopo to Zimbabwe?

      Chibuli - 2012-06-29 22:07

      We don't want your @#$%~! Pedi. You keep Limpopo!

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-30 11:01

      Good recommendation or vice versa as the majority of Zimbobians are already "South of the border ..hey sounds nearly like down Mexico way tralala

  • Amanda - 2012-06-29 21:17

    Surely this would be unconstitutional. Where does this leave the voters rights in the Western Cape? Time to take the ANC to the Contitutional Court. If this happens the Western Cape will be financially sucked dry to support the Eastern Cape.

  • Carlton - 2012-06-29 21:20

    So the anc has finally decided to give the DA two thirds of the country. If the northern cape is swallowed by the western cape the voters will simply out vote them, giving DA two thirds of the country and will no longer be a South African enclave, now sharing a border with Nambia. The DA can fetch the rest of the country later viva to the Cape of Goodhope Republic

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-06-29 21:32

    What they smoking to win CAPE TOWN....what did she dream about "the spear" free medical aid for the little blue pill

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-06-29 21:33

    if limpopo name can disapear i wll be more than happy, i cnt wait 4 2015

      Sharon - 2012-06-30 09:43

      give limpopo to zim and demolish eastern cape,plough the soil and give it to those that seek land - problem solved

  • Amanda - 2012-06-29 21:34

    Lynn Browne you FAILED IN THE WESTERN CAPE!!! YOU WERE KICKED OUT BY THE VOTERS YOU FAILURE , SO SHUT THE F UP!

  • jeffrey.jones.357 - 2012-06-29 21:36

    This bitch buggered up Cape Town when she was the mayor, now the ANC want it back by foul means. Scum.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-29 21:47

      Helen and her team make the ANC look like the fools they are. They are so jealous of their success.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-06-29 22:06

      That is why the world voted Helen, the worlds best mayor of the year!

  • Amanda - 2012-06-29 21:53

    @Korsar You mean managing the bloody mess that will follow....

  • bones.meintjies - 2012-06-29 21:55

    I think its a good idea. the ANC are grabbing at straws, and combining some provinces could tip it either way. at this point the balance is on the the side of the DA. Combination can be a powerful tool, as for egsample(?), the eastern cape percentage plus the western cape percentage combined will still give a majority to the DA. Given of course the projected gains for the next election. It is an informed gamble as such, but the score is certainly leaning toward the DA. Thoughts?

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-29 22:03

    Nat tactics, is de Klerk coaching the ANC?

      Christelle - 2012-06-29 22:06

      No, its only ANC trying to salvage the trainwreck they have caused.....

      melania.nel - 2012-06-29 22:22

      Yes they are using nat tactics most of the time.

      Christelle - 2012-06-29 22:31

      Touche Melania:-)

  • Amanda - 2012-06-29 22:06

    This is what the scumbags of the ANC do when they lose votes... Demarcate. They are already planning on demarcating the borders to regain Midvaal. They did it in KZN in my former constituency on the Berea.... Now they want to incorporate the Western Cape with the Eastern Cape or maybe the Northern Cape. Who knows where this will end?? This is surely illegal. It takes away the rights of the voters. This must go to the Constitutional Court. It has to be stopped now! Before we know it we will be like Zimbabwe and in a one party state because there will be no point in voting for an opposition party!

      mouja.hakim - 2012-06-29 22:15

      It is quite possible that paranoia is grabbing S.A. Reducing the number of provinces, as everyone has pointed out, is more of a positive than a negative. The ANC's time may be coming to an end. The numbers of its electorate are sliding. Perhaps the attempt to postpone the inevitable will only see it slip down faster. People can see the writing on the wall. It's only a question of time now. The ANC should have left the race card behind - in 1994. The only thing that has ever united South Africans is the wish for unity itself, without racism. Any party that can deliver this will be the winning party in future. Gauteng rules! Why is the Western Cape the only important one?

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-06-29 22:10

    A headache government, the day when some of us get rid of it, it will be such a great relief.

  • Amanda - 2012-06-29 22:27

    Be careful what you wish for people. If the Western Cape have to carry say the Eastern Cape and the Northern Cape it will be governed by both the DA and ANC. Mark my words. It will be a lose lose situation for everyone.

      bhekism - 2012-06-30 06:47

      Lol.Then they'll be called Captonians not Coloureds and foreigners. Good idea. Lol. Mpumalanga and gauteng 'll form Transvaal of course with a new name. People will do anything to remain relevant.

      bhekism - 2012-06-30 06:48

      Lol.Then they'll be called Captonians not Coloureds and foreigners. Good idea. Lol. Mpumalanga and gauteng 'll form Transvaal of course with a new name. People will do anything to remain relevant.

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-06-29 22:33

    The ANC are hell bent on destroying the country in the name of Apartheid.

  • cheslin.white.7 - 2012-06-29 22:36

    What are these jokers on about now. Running the country like a bloody corner shop. Its embarassing.

  • Steven Pawson - 2012-06-30 00:07

    when will these clowns in goverment get it past their thick skulls that apartheid is long gone,they have had 19 years and they still going on about this (Apartheid boundaries) well im sorry you had 19 years of freedom and you have done nothing cause you hanging onto the past,maybe should not even be in power then just wasting the peoples time and money, while you thumb suck stupid ideas up......

      Sbu Simphiwe Radebe - 2012-06-30 12:45

      i think ANC realize the mistake made, nine provinces. amongst the only four are viable viz. GP, Ct, KZN & FS. for one simple reason they previously had the economic engines from the previous regime.(excl Kzn) the other provinces were from TBVC state and they were thriving economically. to bad the support and administration of them was not enough. if ANC intends looking into that the batter

  • ken.eriksen.9 - 2012-06-30 00:12

    Let them try take the Western Cape. For starters we will refuse landing rights to Zuma's 2 Billion Rand flying palace. The ANC are slowly digging their own grave and are beyond redemption. We survived the National Party and we will survive the ANC! Viva Cape Town Viva!

  • Pixie86 - 2012-06-30 05:46

    they're gunning for western cape. It's so obvious

  • nspaynter - 2012-06-30 07:25

    Wow! What a great idea. combine the Western, Eastern and Northern Cape and extend the power of the DA. The service delivery will improve dramatically as it has done in the Western Cape and you'll also do away with the "refugee" problem.

  • bdarcywilliams - 2012-06-30 08:31

    Nomaindia Mfeketo was one of the worst mayors cape Town has ever had, now she is trying to "re-invent the wheel" by changing back to smaloler amount of Provinces- Can ANC and their clowns not do anything original, instead of copying other peoples ideas, and supposedly " improving", all they end up doing is making a "hash up" trying to "fix" something which is not broken, and actually working. They have had 18 years of being "free" from apartheid, which if the ANC government was efficient, could have advanced the entire RSA, but all they have done is cause more racial tension, by their incompetence, and their followers are too stupid to see it.

  • luca.delbianco.3 - 2012-06-30 08:40

    hmmmmm...me thinks it could be a way to merge the WC with the EC..I wonder what the DA would say about it..

  • bdarcywilliams - 2012-06-30 08:47

    @ Phae Rayden Why does wanting a country that actually" works" and can be held up as an example of how a place "SHOULD be run", be racist, RSA citizens need to forget about always playing the " race card", and focus on ACTUAL service delivery and good governance, instead of a president who is a joke, and a corrupt government, that is incompetent to the extreme.

      phae.rayden - 2012-07-01 00:06

      Sure that's what I was saying, I want to keep the dysfunctional government in power, please don't be silly. I won't support laager mentality, its over, and you want to entertain ideas of civil war and a province based on ancestral lineage..... Hmm I wonder what that's called?

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-06-30 09:03

    The ANC want to incorporate the E/Cape into the W/Cape thus gaining control of the province with a majority of morons !! AND THEN..another f*ck up of monumental proportions!!

  • nspaynter - 2012-06-30 09:23

    "We are not going to be able to do away with tribal boundaries, but hope to tamper with apartheid boundaries... ," she said. That proves that the exercise has absolutely nothing to do with good governance, but everything to do with racism. And BTW you're now talking about combining the Western, Eastern and Northern Cape into one. Wasn't that the old Cape Province under apartheid rule? You're actually going back to apartheid boundaries.

  • John Doeslough - 2012-06-30 12:02

    Hmmm! Smells like a plot to do away with the Western Cape?!?!

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-06-30 14:28

    "We are not going to be able to do away with tribal boundaries, but hope to tamper with apartheid boundaries... ," she said. We will apply our own (ANC) apartheid.

  • gerrit.volschenk - 2012-06-30 15:20

    To the blind who can not see this is typical attempt at dictatorship.The ANC can not win an election in the Western Cape based on the ethic's of a democratic election and will thus resort to any desperate measure to ensure they control every province.What apartheid boundaries these provinces were set up by the ANC after 1994.Apartheid boundaries is a new term to hide their attempt at dictatorship.

  • mark.tunstall.18 - 2012-06-30 20:12

    How predictable, "eish I don't lika the score I musta changa the rules or move the goal posts". Give them rope and they will tie themselves into knotts. Desperate measures for desperate people! You parasites are bleeding and until you grow a backbone and take some responsibility the skeleton is all that will remain. Good luck!

  • Zeezoh - 2012-07-01 01:34

    GOOD NEWS, EASTERN CAPE AND WESTERN CAPE MUST BE ONE, THEN WE TALKIN RAINBOW NATION, PLEASE PLEASE THIS MUST HAPPEN BEFORE NEXT ELECTIONS

  • galmzala - 2012-07-01 03:16

    People you r so dum, they are merging EC, NC with WC because the WC municipality is doing well what is wrong with people, people of this provinces it is their chance to chose wich gov they want the working one or not, ppl with that experience they will make a wise choice, use your head not that hatred u have for each other, guys u r full of hate you dont realise the gud chance, am sure Zille is planning, while you are hating, this is politics SA

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-07-01 08:08

    Merging Western Cape and Eastern Cape will not solve problems.The ANC has failed to deliver now they want to reduce the number of provinces because the DA is doing better than the ANC ie public administration.The ANC knows that they will never win a province like Western Cape. Some political parties and individuals have been saying the number of the provinces must be reduced but the ruling party didnt listen, why now?JZ and his deputy were part of the ANC leadership (they didnt listen)

  • isabel.porzio - 2012-07-01 08:43

    "We are not going to be able to do away with tribal boundaries, but hope to tamper with apartheid boundaries... ," she said. In other words, it wants its filthy greedy claws on the WC, oh.... "apartheid" was done away with 18 years ago, but it still uses the old, watered down apartheid guilt trip crap so it can rape and destroy the only beautiful well run province in South Africa!

  • ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-07-01 09:09

    this could actually well backfire on the ANC,having the NC,EC and WC under one municipality would mean that people will clearly see the WC muncipaltiy is very succesfully run and will vote for the DA which means after next elections almost half the country will be DA run,the people aare now getting sick of empty promises which were made 18 years ago,they need change not lies.

      phae.rayden - 2012-07-01 13:54

      I agree with you, it could well happen and I'm sure the DA is up to it. Lets change SA for the better by example and good governance. This is a contradiction of your earlier call to arms? Hope you gonna join the side that stands for peace and integration.

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-07-01 16:11

      Oh my Dear Phae,,,didnt you realise that iam a walking contradiction haha,,,I do not wish for another war,,been there done that,,howeva,sometimes and speaking from past experience the only way to fight fire is with fire,,,,

  • Dewit Hoffmann - 2012-07-01 13:52

    Opportunity for DA to be in control of half the country. Happy days!

  • Charms - 2012-07-01 14:12

    I am so sick of the ANC playing the "apartheid" card..We are nothing different from any other country...Racism is everywhere!!! All over the world, the only problem for SA is that some idiot (think it was Verwoerd) many years ago, gave this "thing" a name..."apartheid".. and that is why SA has been crusified, NOT so much for doing what every country out the did or is still doing or experiencing, but because we..gave it a name....So Please, ANC, we are NOT special in any way. Get over yourself, you need to get pass the small man syndrome and move on...many people of all races have done so...Why cant you!!! We promise not to laugh ok...maybe you will even get praised...Surely you need to stop being a world specticle while you still can...!!! So tired or this Banana Republik...Viva Western Cape!!!

      dave.kofang - 2012-07-01 17:22

      Tell me which other country had group areas act,job reservation act,native lands iezure act,bantu education act,population registration act,immorality act,forced removals,detention without trial,Curfew for non-white people.

      charmaine.hoffmann.1 - 2012-07-01 18:48

      USA...Those Indians (Geronimo and his "impies") were taken from their land and put on reservations, African natives were sold to other countries all over the world to work as slaves...They had no rights at all...the list can go on and on...reality is reality (so yeah, call it this act or that act, the situation was still the same, I do not condone any such treament as it is inhumane, but dont think for one minute that SA is unique in this...just ask the Klu Klux Klan for one!!!! People need to remember the past, live for today and plan for tomorrow, but dont let it kneehalter you for what could be a much better situation for all.....if you only let go!!! You cannot change the past..learn from it, otherwise you will only get stuck. Everything changes in life, (promise, if it didnt you wouldnt be here)...so please, get over it and move on...

      nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-07-01 20:09

      Charms it was not Dr Verwoerd who gave the naam apartheid and on the day he died black was crying for he ment developement for them. It was the fools after them and as you rightly say this sistems is in place all over the world Unfortunately the ANC destorted the history of this country for the sole resone to feed hate and racism to stay in power.

      Charms - 2012-07-02 08:26

      Thanks Nettie, as I said, I just think someone told me it was him, if it wasnt then good for him, but somebody did, and now we are sitting with the crap...

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