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SA asks Nato to stop bombing Libya

2011-08-24 18:07

Cape Town - SA has repeatedly asked the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) to stop bombing Libya and that hostilities in that country come to an end, says Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe.

Answering questions on Wednesday in the National Assembly, Motlanthe said that President Jacob Zuma had made this point clearly in his engagements with British Prime Minister David Cameron, when he visited SA; Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Nato secretary general Anders Rasmussen, when he attended a special meeting in Russia recently.

"The president as well as the minister and deputy minister of international relations and co-operation, Maite Nkoana-Mashabane, have consistently spoken out against Nato's violation of the mandate of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 in seeking regime change and the resultant loss of civilian lives as it continues its bombing campaign of Tripoli," Motlanthe said.

He said that the South African government had been clear in all engagements on the matter of Libya, that it is against regime change and would continue to raise this issue in an attempt to prevent further loss of civilian lives and in seeking the adoption and implementation of the African Union roadmap by all parties involved in the Libyan conflict.

"The African Union has made it very clear that the Libyan people must determine their own future through an inclusive process that will ensure a full democratisation of all political institutions. This will allow for macroeconomic recovery and the restoration of normality in Libyan society," Motlanthe said.

He then went on to say: "It is our collective view, as leaders in Africa, that no illegal removal of a government can be justified, not least through violent means."

Comments
  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-24 18:19

    SA government and Zuma with comrades are known for taking no stance and commenting afterwards. Bunch of incompetent misfits! Look at Zuma and his mate Bob in ZimBOBwe? How about his fat cousin,King Mswati next door?

      JC - 2011-08-24 18:59

      In March, just before Nato intervened, Gadaffi went on a ruthless vindictive drive to wipe out and revenge on all the rebel leaders. The ANC / AU response: "sit down and talk". Somehow they expected an amicable outcome whilst Gadaffi imprisoned and killed them off like flies! Negotiating with ruthless dictators seems to be a viable solution that comes naturally to the ANC / AU. ... Pathetic, incompetent , ideologically blinded, double standard bunch of morons - must admit they are driving nice cars and living in nice houses though...

      JohannV - 2011-08-24 18:59

      Kgalema you fool, why don't you ask Uncle Bob to stop breaking all the human rights in Zim? Ass-tard...

      Spyker May - 2011-08-24 19:03

      Bizarre is it not – each time I see footage of the Libyan conflict, I see ordinary Libyans thanking Nato for their help, in destroying the reign of the despotic psychopath Gaddafi. I would say the presence of Nato is specifically the will of the people, while those who are clearly attempting to protect the fascist nationalist regime of Gaddafi – ie our own fascist nationalist regime (the ANC’s) leader Zuma and the of stooges of the African Union [AU]. The AU and equally, the ANC is a spent force, they are the last relics of the imprudent inanities of the hippies of the 70’s and 80’s. These inebriated dullards functioned in a fantasy world that would scarcely make sense in a toddler’s colour-in book. Their obtuse follies were pounced on by manic despots-in-waiting and the hell that followed (for the ordinary people of the countries) was simply denied by those who are in fact the real Architects of the Agony – ie the supposed liberals of 70’s and 80’s. http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/media-gallery/16054699 Slide 4 of 20. There is indeed a new world-order being created – viz, in our life-time – an order that is driven by REALITY and not IDEOLOGY – ie an order that will no longer tolerate, fascist nationalist regimes (like the ANC, Zanu-PF, Gaddafi’s Jamahiriya, etc), that is simply a facade for neo-feudalism.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 19:12

      There was no way NATO was going to stop the bombings because they know what is in it for them. This is to help the ailing Europe and USA economies. Pirates dont attack empty ships. If they care about people's lives, why are they not doing the same in Syria and Bahrain?

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:37

      Ayoba, that's just rubbish. How is a liberated Libya going to help the US and European economies?

      iranianprince - 2011-08-24 19:55

      Dear nato Please stop bombing the Libyan army. It's very difficult shooting citizens with tanks and gunship helicopters whil Nato jets are overhead

      slg - 2011-08-24 20:17

      Ah Marco, you're funny. Nato will be wiped out one day by a higher power. God will come down from behind the clouds and seek revenge on Nato's one billion people who form its membership.

      marco - 2011-08-24 20:17

      NATO went way over its head in this one.Thankful oneday soon NATO will get wiped out completely by a HIGHER POWER,whomever that turns out to be will make for very exciting news honestly.Only until that happens will people and organizations like NATO,GADDAFI,THE REBELS know how small and truly insignificant speck of dust we all are.As a nonpartisan observer you have to look at the way NATO behaves in the world and ask yourself honestly what if it had been you to whom they was doing all this too?Who is to say that NATO won't in future treat any other country or nation,whether they'd be Dictatorships or not like garbage and does to it as it pleases.Its self-serving,bellicose,hypocritical and domineering attitude hopefully will end oneday soon.By then it will be to late for some to save themselves and all their brainwashed supporters across the world.Gaddafi is a lunatic no doubt about that,still the West or NATO up until last year welcomed him with open arms into the international fold & in their capitals and securing lucrative oil deals with him in the process. UN Resolution 1973 authorized NATO to protect civilians and provide aid, instead NATO took this to mean the removal of GADDAFI in co-ordinated attacks with rebel advances,despite all of their subsequent K@K denials.GADDAFI really had been screwed over bigtime in that he couldn't move heavy armour across open ground,his ability to re-supply troops was impossible and no fuel got through to Government controlled areas.

      marco - 2011-08-24 20:18

      The National Transitional Council based in Benghazi claims it has a plan for the immediate post Gaddafi era and a 15,000 strong ‘Tripoli Task Force’,however that is funny since these both appear to exist only on paper not in real time.NATO knows this vacuun in power in Libya will lead to the same chaos on the scale we've seen in Baghdad after the fall of Saddam Hussein.And that's why everybody is so desperately looking for Gaddafi now even putting up posters of $1million dollar reward if anyone knows where he is dead or alive.Funny how Al Jazeera news is showing Gaddafi green flags going up in his compound again,but the BBC AND sKYnews are still showing yesterday's news as live broadcast of the rebels dancing in Tripoli-how pathetic by the dysfunctional western media.

      slg - 2011-08-24 20:20

      Marco, one more thing, all those military resources you speak of that Gadhafi used, they belonged to the Libyan people, not Gadhafi. The same goes for the billions of dollars he siphoned off into his own bank accounts.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 20:24

      @slg, let me ask you a question, do you really think if Libya was a poor country, NATO would have wasted its resources to go into such a country and do what they did?

      Denise - 2011-08-24 20:56

      Let me remind you of the words with which Oliver Cromwell dissolved a rotten & corrupted parliament back on April 20 1653 “It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place which you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue & defiled by your practice of every vice; ye are a factious crew & enemies to all good government; ye are a pack of mercenary wretches & would like Esau sell your country for a mess of pottage & like Judas betray your God for a few pieces of money. “Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? Ye have no more religion than my horse; gold is your God; which of you have not barter’d your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Commonwealth? “Ye sordid prostitutes, have you not defil’d this sacred place by your immoral principles & wicked practices? Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were deputed here by the people to get grievances redress’d; are not yourselves become the greatest grievance? Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse the Augean Stable, by putting a final period to your iniquitous proceedings “I command ye, therefore, upon the peril of your lives to depart immediately out of this place! Take away that shining bauble & lock up the doors. You have sat here too long for the good you do. Go & get out, make haste ye venal slaves, be gone” Right now, we could do with an Oliver Cromwell. Or two.

      Ingwe - 2011-08-24 20:56

      Ayoba let me ask you a question, are you telling me NATO wasted its resources when it went in and sorted out the Serbian/Kosovo issue in the 1990's as those counties did not have oil and to be quite honest they are quite poor by modern day standards

      slg - 2011-08-24 20:57

      Yes I do. The Libyan people took their future into their now hands, rose up and demanded their basic human rights to vote and live free from oppression. They were being slaughtered by a dictator. This is in accord with the principles of the freer world. Read their constitutions. Their governments are bound to follow them. Unfortunately it took the slaughter of civilians to wake the world up.

      Alex Dowding - 2011-08-24 21:03

      It's a good thing NATO couldn't give a toss what Motlanthe and his ilk think. The majority of Libyans seem to be desperately grateful for the help they are receiving from their UN counterparts. Were it not for NATO then this revolution could potentially have gone on for years with a loss of civilian life easily dwarfing those lost so far. Why does the ANC always insist on supporting all of these backwards dictators in Africa and elsewhere?

      marco - 2011-08-24 21:20

      @slg you know you stupid right.Only insane people like yourself don't know when to shut the **** up.My advice to you fella is watch the news,all the news not just selective channels of the corporate West and Western Media.The Arab tv channels just showed Gaddafi "Comical Ali" reappearing alive and well.He`s popped up on Syrian Television just this afternoon go see for yourself.Al Jazeera news channel is showing Gaddafi green flags going up in his compound again and Gaddafi soldiers in the compound are fighting again.Is that unbelievable or what!!!!Not over till it's over hey!!!GADDAFI my man is a fighter born and bred and NATO just got K@K shot up their a***s.Sky reporters on the ground seem to have stopped reporting and the BBC is still showing this mornings headlines of yesterday's Rebel celebrations-how pathetic.Alex Crawford,from SKY,is not heard of or seen from since this morning.Sky news is filling time with guests,how sad is that. I am serously beginning to think that you slg and some of these so-called journalists are on the payroll of NATO.I mean your one-sided commentary like their's is laughable...newsagents,dis-info,intelligence services the works...this is not news it is contrived propaganda mate.SLG you need to become non-partisan mate in your approach to real life politics and stop being so onesided.

      slg - 2011-08-25 05:17

      Marco, I don't just watch the news I live it. :) How on earth can you believe the Syrian broadcasting service? That's like watching Apartheid broadcasting service and believing it.

  • setsompa - 2011-08-24 18:21

    It seems Motlanthe and his ANC colleagues are living in another planet. Gadafi is a dictator and there was no way he was going to relinquish power. The toothless AU failed to force him to step down because most of them were in his payroll.

      Blougroen - 2011-08-24 18:50

      "He then went on to say: "It is our collective view, as leaders in Africa, that no illegal removal of a government can be justified, not least through violent means." Should it not read - He then went on to say: "It is our collective view, as "democratically elected" leaders in Africa, that no illegal removal of a government can be justified, not least through violent means, unless such a government has fallen victim to a dictator violently chrushing the will of the people" ???????

      Dominic - 2011-08-24 20:19

      SA are playing a very stupid game. They're just trying to obstruct those who are genuinely trying to help. Here's the latest: 1912: Barbara Plett BBC News, United Nations has more on the politics behind freeing the $1.5bn in Libyan assets frozen in US banks. She says the Americans tried to get approval from the UN committee monitoring the sanctions. But that decision has to be unanimous and diplomats said South Africa was blocking approval. So the US is going to the Security Council to bypass the need for consensus.

  • Colin - 2011-08-24 18:22

    Nato asks anc to stop stealing money meant for housing, education and health care. Not going to happen either

  • cpdennis1 - 2011-08-24 18:29

    NO NO NO, keep bombing until that despot has been blown right off the face of the earth. Then head south and do the same to Bob and his group of illegal cronies in Zimbabwe. The time for illegal governments ruining citizens lives is over.

      Peter - 2011-08-24 20:53

      I agree Zim next Please. Then Uncle Bob can join Gadafi together in Hell.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-08-24 18:32

    I don't think NATO has an issue with Libya. They do, however have an issue with Gadhaffi. For NATO to stop bombing, all Gadhaffi has to do is hand himself over.

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:08

      And their issues is limited to protecting Libyans from Gadhafi's plainly stated intentions to harm civilians, which he has followed up with action in the form of killing thousands of Libyans who want nothing more than the right to vote.

  • crackerr - 2011-08-24 18:37

    Our sense of proportion tells us that it is acceptable to remove an illegal leadership. And by illegal leadership one would think it includes the hijackers of a people and country who does not allow the people a free say in who may occupy the leadership positions. Our sense of proportion moreover says that it is improper to refer to the illegal removal of a regime but not to the illegality of the leadership where the same leadership has entrenched itself without giving the people a choice.

      Sven - 2011-08-24 19:23

      I would like to ask why it was OK to fight a terrorist war to oust the legitimate government in South Africa during Apartheid. Why did the predecessor of the AU not sit down the Nationalist government and talk of power sharing for the next 100 years as they intend to do with Zimbabwe and any other African dictator that is killing his own people. They are a bunch of hippocrits.

  • Spanker - 2011-08-24 18:39

    Would have been interesting to see what would have happened if the international community had taken that stance in the apartheid years. Seem to remember a different tune been played back then....

      crackerr - 2011-08-24 18:48

      Would have been interesting. So what do you suggest? Because the West did not bomb SA it is OK for dictatorship now? By the way, irrespective of you may wish for, SA had THE BOMB. Nobody quite knew what SA was capable of. There would not have been any bombing under any circumstances.

  • asiseeit - 2011-08-24 18:40

    I think it is Zuma's signiture on the piece of paper that allowed the bombing to start....?

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:06

      Thankfully he got that one right.

  • Lewis - 2011-08-24 18:41

    The ANC regime cant even faintly run their own country, yet here they are telling other countries how to do it. Then again, the ANC LOVE dictators.

  • nick vafeas - 2011-08-24 18:42

    thats great. stop bombing and allow gadaffi forces to gain strength, doesnt our government realize that libia is closer to freedom than ever? and they owe that to NATO's help

  • william.botha - 2011-08-24 18:44

    Watch out NATO, SANDF is coming for you...

      Spanker - 2011-08-24 18:47

      Hahahahahaha aha

      william.botha - 2011-08-24 19:10

      LOL

  • parmalat - 2011-08-24 18:51

    all that bombing but its damaging the people of libya and not gaddafi, why...cause he is still alive!

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:06

      Nato is surgically bombing Gadhafi's military installations and resources. That's it.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 19:23

      @slg, if you think NATO did not kill innocent people during their air strikes, you are ignorant.

      gizzy - 2011-08-24 19:32

      Ayoba, the killed less than get killed here daily!!!!

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:40

      Ayoba, the point is those were unintentional. Nato and the freer world goes to great lengths to avoid harm to civilians. You have to look at the mindset, not just the outcome. But even the outcome is different: Gadhafi, Al-Qauead, the Taliban and other terrorist organizations have intentionally killed hundreds of thousands of civilians through car bombs, suicide attacks and other terrorist actions.

  • BernieK - 2011-08-24 18:51

    Keep up bombing Libia!!! More firepower and more bombs. Get rid of the monster and the killer Gadafi!!!!

  • bernard.swanepoel - 2011-08-24 18:56

    Can't they get Brother Leader out to SA because of the bombings?

  • Bill - 2011-08-24 18:59

    Dear Brother Leader's Fan Club is going strong, with offices in the Union Buildings - Pretoria-Tshwane - South Africa.

  • slg - 2011-08-24 18:59

    Beyond naive. South Africa is now being spoken about in the same breath as Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Talk about squandering the high-ground from the fall of Apartheid.

      william.botha - 2011-08-24 19:12

      Yep, and they are oblivious to it. Fools paradise.

      Sven - 2011-08-24 19:26

      @ sig, South Africa and Zimbabwe have now been moved to level 6 on the Genocide Watch list, where level 7 is actual genocide and level 8 the denial that genocide ever took place.

  • gizzy - 2011-08-24 18:59

    Nato are asking each other South who??? Zuma you peanut head, Nato didn't remove gadaffi, the people of Libya did!

  • slg - 2011-08-24 19:01

    Beyond naive. South Africa is now being spoken about in the same breath as Zimbabwe and Venezuela. Talk about squandering the high-ground from the fall of Apartheid.

  • chris.khanye - 2011-08-24 19:05

    Is Gadaffi's government legitimate and if so - to who? SA proves again and again that it's loosing the plot. Even China has read the writing on the wall and endorsed the NTC and condemned Gadaffi. Remember that dictator Sani Abacha of Nigeria? SA took a stand there and then and Nigeria was suspended from the Commonwealth and isolated internationally because of SA's moral and principled stand. What changed in SA then and now? SA under Mandela was holding the moral compass and wasn't a messenger boy for Africa's dictators. Hugo Chavez and SA are the only known countries that still hold the candle for the disgraced Gadaffi. Instead of being a leader in Africa - we have chosen to conform to Africas standards. We've demoted ourselves to - messenger boy. Does SA condone Gadaffi's call for Nigeria to be divided into two - Muslim North and Christian South? Why should we conform to Africas despots standards? Note - it's not Africas standards or agenda, but conforming to despots agenda? Does SA agree with Gadaffis sentiments - the liberators and revolutionaries are rats? Do those who fought to free SA from apartheid rats and devils? SA has lost its moral compass and it should read the big writing on the wall - Gadaffi is a dictator and his people swept him into the dustbin of history. Either we support the Libyans aspiration or we're condemned just like Gadaffi! Support this individual at your peril!

      william.botha - 2011-08-24 19:14

      Remember the talks about unifying Africa, forming the United States of Africa. Gaddafi was hugely in favor of this and suggested he becomes the president. What kind??

  • John Paul - 2011-08-24 19:10

    Spoken like a true Genocider! But why should I think that you know what you are talking about? You were the South African President who in 2008 said at the G20 meeting that SA does not need finances. You failed to make firm arrangement for finances. You failed to make conditional arrangements for finances. You failed to get pre-approved lines of credit. The next year SA LOST 1 MILLION FORMAL JOBS. You have zero understanding. You were there, when the ANC government REFUSED medication to 5 Million aids sufferers. Genocide. You were there, when the ANC government tried to kill off 5 Million aids sufferers with Virodene = Benzene. Attempted Genocide. You were there, when the ANC government introduced wholesale abortions. Genocide. You were there, when the ANC government created the revolving door Justice system for murderers to kill, be bailed out, kill again, be bailed out, kill again. Genocide by Negligence. And you are worried about Gaddafi? I doubt your knowledge and ability to think. As was proven by your agonizing about becoming a communist in the year 2000. Gorbachov had stated that comunism was not working in USSR in the early 1980's. The chineses declared that China was 50 years behind Hong Kong in 1997. Both are openly moving away from communism. In the early 1990's 3 comrades went to USSR, and met russians who laughed in their faces for believing KGB false propaganda. And you agonized in the year 2000? Are you daft?

      Xavier - 2011-08-24 20:24

      @JohnPaul btw...Virodene doesn't contain benzene (C6H6) but does contain Dimethylformamide (DMF) (C3H7NO). From the MSDS for DMF: Harmful by inhalation, ingestion or skin contact. May act as a carcinogen. Ingestion or absorption through skin may be fatal. Exposure may result in foetal death. Long-term exposure may result in kidney or liver damage. Irritant. Please get your facts straight

  • Ayoba - 2011-08-24 19:18

    My neighbour is making me upset many times. Ahaa, I have a plan. I am going to tell NATO that there is oil in his yard.

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:18

      Foolish and therefore irrelevant.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 19:27

      @Slg, you just don't get my point. I think you will still not get my point if I explain what I mean.

      gizzy - 2011-08-24 19:37

      NATo aren't intersted in their oil. In fact, tonight the interim council of Libya have asked the oil workers to return to work sothat they can get some revenue for reconstruction and to pay civil servants. Which part of the "Libyans got rid of gadaffi" don't you understand?

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:42

      Ayoba, no disrespect, but the oil point has been covered multiple times. It has nothing to do with Libyans liberating themselves. The oil belongs to them. Oil-rich countries are among the wealthiest on Earth. The lion's share of the money stays with them.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 20:14

      At least you got my point. Come on now, do you think NATO would just say it in the open where their interests lies? You also need to remember that NATO is not immune to lying. Just like they lied about the reason for attacking Iraq. If there was no hidden agenda, NATO would have long been bombing countries like Syria, Yemen and Bahrain also.

  • Aren - 2011-08-24 19:21

    Suck it up you dumb f*ck. Of course you wanted the bombing to stop since you and your government is on the take from Gaddafi. Will be interesting to find out exactly how much money found its way to you and your fellow corrupt cronies.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 19:31

      @Aren, you are making a very serious allegation here which you know you cannot prove.

      gizzy - 2011-08-24 19:40

      Ayoba, why don't you just shut it. You haven't got a clue about what you are talking about. It's a known fact that Gadaffi donated vast sums of money to the ANC. It's also known that he paid zuma's legal fees. So, it's not an allegation, it's a fact!

      slg - 2011-08-24 19:45

      Ayoba, it is well known that Gadhafi sent envoys to South Africa and paid substantial sums of money to certain chiefs in his attempt to be called "The King of Kings of Africa". Not Jacob Zuma I know, but just to add this information to the mix. It is well known this is the way Gadhafi did business. There are many accounts from politicians and business leaders the world over that he talked with his money, not his principles.

      Ayoba - 2011-08-24 20:17

      Friendly advice. No offence but don't believe everything the media tells you and what you here at the pub.

  • jurgens222 - 2011-08-24 19:35

    http://www.news24.com/Galleries/Video/Videos/Africa/Nato%20statement%20on%20Libya/caecd942a4864fc3b520705813bc264b/Nato-statement-on-Libya-#.TlSp9XeSmto.facebook this is what NATO said

      jurgens222 - 2011-08-24 19:42

      Or http://www.news24.com/Galleries/Video/Videos/Africa/Nato%20statement%20on%20Libya/caecd942a4864fc3b520705813bc264b/Nato-statement-on-Libya-

  • GJB - 2011-08-24 19:40

    Worried the same may happen in South Africa ? Beware, the day will come, when the coloureds, the Blacks, the Whites and all the other groups will stand up and say enough. I am laughing. In the beginning God ruled. Men then wanted a king. They got their king. Years later, to put it mildly, kings were replaced by governments. And now the people are fed-up with governments. What next? Chaos? I do not know

  • Babba x - 2011-08-24 19:50

    And NATO should listed to you, why? The ANC is insignificant to the West, NATO will also come to the aid of the whites in this country when we become hunted specie

  • Stinkhout - 2011-08-24 19:52

    Honestly, sometimes I think the date is stuck on April first. At least for our leaders who keep me smiling? Thanks ANC, your satirical style is priceless.

  • ROELIE - 2011-08-24 19:58

    Nato must flatten the whole lot. When they're finished with Gadaffi, they must hit Lithuli House and parlement. Lets rid this earth of thugs, communists, spineless cowards,good for nothing corrupters. Go Nato!

  • 106SA - 2011-08-24 20:01

    African solutions for African problems = 1) Aids 2)Starvation 3)Civil wars 4)Dictators etc....

      cuz - 2011-08-24 20:26

      It goes something like Famine… Drought… Overpopulation… Deforestation… Conflict… Barbarism… Cruelty… Machetes… Child Soldiers… Massacres… Diamonds… Warlords… Tyranny… Corruption… Despair… Disease… Aids… Africa.

  • Keaton - 2011-08-24 20:08

    That would assume a legitimate government in the first place my ANC friend. How can a "leader" who took power by force 41 years ago and who has never held democratic elections be a legal government? No more money for Zuma from Libya is the main concern here.

  • Xavier - 2011-08-24 20:09

    Here is the resolution which the ANC claims NATO violated: Resolution 1973: http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/268/39/PDF/N1126839.pdf?OpenElement Resolution 1970: http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/UNDOC/GEN/N11/245/58/PDF/N1124558.pdf?OpenElement Main source: http://www.un.org/Docs/sc/unsc_resolutions11.htm In paragraph 4 in resolution 1973 it states regarding protection of civilians: "to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory" In paragraph 7 regarding the no fly zone ban: "nor shall it apply to flights authorised by paragraphs 4 or 8" The rebels are civilians not soldiers, they were doctors, electricians, school teachers etc. who are protecting their families Thus all NATO's actions are legitimate, and Jacob Zuma approved it and signed the document. Now they claim NATO's actions are unlawful as Jacob Zuma back stabbed his friend "the brother leader" Gadaffi. Further it is not NATO that wants a regime change it is the Libyan people who wants a regime change. Just look how quickly the rebels took Tripoli and Gadaffi's compound,the Gadaffi loyalists fighters inside the Gadaffi compound was found to be mercenaries as well as most of the other loyalists fighters in Tripoli but not all of them are mercenaries.

      Xavier - 2011-08-24 20:40

      The reason the ANC still wants Gadaffi as the leader of Libya and are against a regime change is because of all the money they received and had been receiving just before the civil war in Libya, from Gadaffi. It is a known fact Gadaffi paid Jacob Zuma's legal fees as well as donated vast sums of money to the ANC. Now they will receive no more money.

  • Half Khan - 2011-08-24 20:10

    Very good ANC, in the 6 months that the war was raging we didn't hear a peep out of you, and now that your complaints don't matter anymore are you suddenly on a high horse. What does this say? It says that you know the Western powers call the shots, and in order to prosper you need to adapt to them. I find this reassuring. On a side note, after half a disastrous century of African independence, I'm starting to think that the African solutions ARE the problem.

  • marco - 2011-08-24 20:17

    NATO went way over its head in this one.Thankful oneday soon NATO will get wiped out completely by a HIGHER POWER,whomever that turns out to be will make for very exciting news honestly.Only until that happens will people and organizations like NATO,GADDAFI,THE REBELS know how small and truly insignificant speck of dust we all are.As a nonpartisan observer you have to look at the way NATO behaves in the world and ask yourself honestly what if it had been you to whom they was doing all this too?Who is to say that NATO won't in future treat any other country or nation,whether they'd be Dictatorships or not like garbage and does to it as it pleases.Its self-serving,bellicose,hypocritical and domineering attitude hopefully will end oneday soon.By then it will be to late for some to save themselves and all their brainwashed supporters across the world.Gaddafi is a lunatic no doubt about that,still the West or NATO up until last year welcomed him with open arms into the international fold & in their capitals and securing lucrative oil deals with him in the process. UN Resolution 1973 authorized NATO to protect civilians and provide aid, instead NATO took this to mean the removal of GADDAFI in co-ordinated attacks with rebel advances,despite all of their subsequent K@K denials.GADDAFI really had been screwed over bigtime in that he couldn't move heavy armour across open ground,his ability to re-supply troops was impossible and no fuel got through to Government controlled areas.

      Keaton - 2011-08-24 20:26

      Hey Marco. I assume that you use no oil or oil based products in your life, including your iPod plastics. Oil is a scarce resource and peple have been fighting over scarce resources since the beginning of time. Now grow up and go hug a tree and then your life of all petroleum based products so that you don't come across as hypocritical yourself.

      GJB - 2011-08-24 23:05

      HI Marco, you may have a point. Economics is the main driving force, but when people suffer because of it and act, then a problem for the System. At this moment I prefer to watch only. I did some research years ago and the results were shocking. I withdrew.

      marco - 2011-08-24 23:28

      @Keaton right?Ok here is the thing.Since you brought it up lets talk about oil and oil products whilst we on the subject of Gaddafi's hellhole of a country as it stands.Forget the other bull**** for just a second and focus on oil.Nobody can live without oil and it's products in our modern society-myself included.Now how ever many barrels you as a nation or as an indvidual uses,makes it that much easier for the holder of the product to play hardball with whom ever needs his/her oil to live.Whether it be in his/her country or as manufactured goods in trying to sell it. America as a nation-the BIG DOG in NATO-although it has taken a backseat as it were in this conflict,consumes 20 million barrels of oil a day we all know that.Now to me and probably to you too that's a s**tload of oil.Oil does GADDAFI no good unless he sells it to the world and to the West in particular.Why?Because that's where half the planet’s oil consumers reside.Having said that Gadhafi had been demanding bigger up-front payments from Western Governments recently for drilling rights and greater profit-sharing. Nobody,especially NATO,liked that onebit.You see perennial Oil Lust drives the West Middle Eastern policy and yet you have to wonder why they keep spurning this oil through sanctions on hostile regimes like GADDAFI's?In the decade between the two Iraq wars,the West wouldn’t let Saddam Hussein sell any oil except for food.Washington’s sanctions on Iranian oil were costing American economy around,

      marco - 2011-08-24 23:42

      $76 billion annually in lost revenue.And America had sworn off Libyan oil until Gadhafi abandoned plans to develop weapons of mass destruction in 2003 and compensated the victims of the Lockerbie terrorist bombing.During Hurricanes Katrina and Rita and the U.S. economy lost 1 million barrels a day and has barely recovered since then.America's involvement in this conflict with Lybya is costing them $700 million(USD).The World's best expertise to exploit Libya's oil are from the West.Thats why most of the companies that had drilling contracts in Libya were Western companies and they'd like it to remain so too. Gadhafi had offered contracts to India, China and Brazil—and that's probably why NATO were so urgent in attacking him and getting rid of the socalled MAD DOG.

      marco - 2011-08-24 23:43

      Also with uprisings elsewhere having taken place in Libya in Febuary it was important for the West and for an OIL producer like Libya to remain relatively and strategically secure unlike Syria,Bahrain,and Egypt where there was no NATO interventions only softly spoken sanctions or threat of sanctions.The greed for oil rationale has to be NATO's reasons for engaging in optional wars in the Middle East and Libya.It might be disconcerting to some people but the road to global hell is being paved not by our good intentions but by our greed for more than what OIL can give us.Building a solid case against war will require us to admit just that.We don’t serve the cause of peace in Libya or elsewhere by making this all about humanitarian outcomes but rather it be Regime change.

  • Hein_JHB - 2011-08-24 20:21

    www.infowars.com and www.prisonplanet.com and http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel?blend=1&ob=5. Please listen to Alex Jones show and understand why NATO won't stop. They want to start the New World Order and 1 world government

      Xavier - 2011-08-24 20:59

      @Hein Are you 1 or 2 years old for believing this conspiracy theories crap. This guy has no substantial proof regarding any of his conspiracy theories.

  • MrKoppietee - 2011-08-24 20:24

    Why ??? The ANC already used all of the Libyan frozen assets in SA for their personal use, now they have a little problem if it must be released !!!! 1912: Barbara Plett BBC News, United Nations has more on the politics behind freeing the $1.5bn in Libyan assets frozen in US banks. She says the Americans tried to get approval from the UN committee monitoring the sanctions. But that decision has to be unanimous and diplomats said South Africa was blocking approval. So the US is going to the Security Council to bypass the need for consensus.

  • HogHo - 2011-08-24 20:28

    Typical incompetent government we have, backing the wrong horse again

  • Rightway - 2011-08-24 20:35

    SA is out of touch. The AU are clueless. It is the people of Libya who have risen up against a dictator after 42 years of oppression, corruption and lack of delivery and development. Sounds like most African so called leaders including our own clown 783.

  • Madulla Nkosi - 2011-08-24 20:35

    So,... we chase away the Dalai Lama and we fete Mugabe!! We block all UN resolutions to send fact finding missions to Zimbabwe. We also support all rogue states and their dictators. And now..... we expect NATO to listen to us!! Don't forget, Mr Motlanthe, we are the nation that made 'quiet diplomacy' so 'famous'. Can't you hear that the whole world, barring the irrelevant AU, is laughing at you??

  • Coinguy - 2011-08-24 20:46

    The ANC has no right to offer any time scale to NATO bombing in support of the legitimate incoming rulers of Libya against this cruel Dictator. They havent a clue about the real need for bombing in the conduct of this war.Gadaffi and some of his forces are still at large. Keep the jets in the air. The war is not over till this tyrant is found dead or alive.

  • Peter - 2011-08-24 20:50

    For more than 40 years the people have not had a say and had to bow to a dictator. What makes you think that he would have given in to them and hels free and fair elections. At best he would have had a fisco like our brothers in Zimbabwe where Uncle Bob stole the elections. Unfortunately the rest of Africa is not like SA where MADIBA was prepared to give up the leadership. Viva Mandela

  • beicime - 2011-08-24 21:24

    If not for NATO Gaddagi would have run from "house to house and room to room" killing people but though in African terms that is OK, in Western World terms is not OK. And that is the reason NATO is there.

  • umlaut - 2011-08-24 21:26

    How about that SA asks mugabe to stop violence and fearful racist attacks on helpless old people on farms and driving them off their farms and finding pleasure in human rights abuses. ???? Right here---right on their doorstep---right under their noses.?????

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-24 21:30

    Nato's violation of the mandate of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 my ass! Gaddafi and his regime got what was coming! How can our government possibly defend Gaddafi? Just goes to show what hypocrites they are! No democracy, human rights or anything else. Just blatant greed while everyone else starves! Leaders in Africa? Where? Africa is full on despots and starving millions!

  • beicime - 2011-08-24 21:54

    Africa including our country is completely out of touch with geopolitics. No wonder we are just ignored by the world. The South African partners in BRICS were invited to a meeting to discuss rebuilding Libys and South Africa was left out. A voice from the Libyan rebels said on SABC that Zuma left a negative impression and that Africa did nothing for Libya's freedom. Are we a country for real?

  • beicime - 2011-08-24 21:57

    in this world there are 3 categories of people: 1 - People that know what is about to happen, 2 - People that know what is happening and 3 - People that wonder what happened. When Zuma says that the Western World undermined the AU, it places the AU leaders in above category 3.

  • devenjoey.theron - 2011-08-24 22:22

    goverments must realise they have a responsibility to protect their citizens. I support freedom, backed by NATO!!!

  • GJB - 2011-08-24 22:40

    To the Honourable Mr. Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe. You were quoted in the article above as saying "It is our collective view, as leaders in Africa, that no illegal removal of a government can be justified, not least through violent means." Please note before I post my comment, the reason for removal in not relevant as per what you said. Then why did the Cuban Forces and the World joined against the previous Government of South Africa? The then Government was sensible enough to step down and call a General Election. Libia, who, I believe from articles I have seen and yet to be proven, suggest funding to RSA. Please note, I find your comment totally irrelevant and you are herewith dismissed till further notice.

  • David - 2011-08-24 23:16

    Countries liberated for a true democracy will be a strong reminder for any dictator or regimes around the world that the human spirit and determination has the power to make changes for the better of the population. Viva freedom and technology!!

  • Newsferret - 2011-08-25 07:09

    An inclusive solution within the democratic process, Bah, Gaddafi would never have allowed that. If he wanted to he had enough time. So there we fraternise the skunks again.

  • sipholess - 2011-08-25 08:49

    Once Nato are done bombing Libya,they need to start bombing a few more countries in Southern Africa, like SA,Angola,Zim,Swaziland, etc !!!!

  • rbredenhann - 2011-09-05 16:41

    Lets orginize mass protests against NATO in Cape Town!! Who's with me?!!!