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SA moving away from 'win-win solution'

2012-09-24 16:21

Johannesburg - South Africans should find a win-win solution in situations where differences about cultural heritage and recognition develop in communities, the Freedom Front Plus said on Monday.

"Room should be made for Tshwane and Pretoria, Tlokwe and Potchefstroom, Freedom Park and the Voortrekker Monument," FFPlus leader Pieter Mulder said in a statement.

"The current approach, where the heritage of a community should constantly make way for another community, does not solve problems but creates new ones," he said.

Countries like Brussels, Belgium and Switzerland had a win-win solution that made place for everyone in the country.

Mulder said a proposal to remove the English and Afrikaans sections of the national anthem would lead to further disruption of relationships.

Heritage Day had been established as an opportunity to recognise the rich variety of cultures and heritages in SA, he said.

"If the day is celebrated in the right manner, it will lead to greater respect and understanding of each other."

Mulder said Heritage Day would ensure that the diversity of SA would be a positive asset and not a burden or a source of conflict.

It was important that communities felt that their heritage, history and heroes were not less worthy or ignored.

Comments
  • Martin522 - 2012-09-24 16:41

    Brussels, Belgium and Switzerland possibly had a win win solution because the residents could understand what it was about. In South Africa the majority rules, they do not understand and run after headless leaders, so no more chance after that.

      jock.black.50 - 2012-09-24 20:16

      In Africa the minority are rich, and majority are poor. This is African rule, or rather oppression, where a few elites live like kings while the rest suffer... I cannot see how all cultures of SA will ever be TRULY respected while this is the mentality.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-24 20:17

      At the end of it all we are all still South Africans and that's what matters most.A nation that is made up of different cultures,history,languages,ancestry,etc,but should all still be as ONE. America,the most ethnically diverse nation on earth,all celebrate the 4th of July.Whether they'd be Irish American,Italian American,Chinese American,Afro American,Hispanic American with their own unique festivals ranging from St Patricks day,Cinco De Mayo,Chinese New Year,all American people celebrate each of these without having to be the ethnic Irish,Italian or Chinese in order to do so. South Africa & South Africans needs to become more secure about our individual identity.The ANC government has made it near impossible to define what it means to be South African.Most South Africans are not comfortable with our national identity.We keep speaking of the Zulu Nation,Afrikaner people or Xhosa people,etc,when speaking of other South Africans.South Africa is not as new a country as some makes us out to be,but we need to mature more,define more in that which makes us South African. Ultimately we the human race.Yes we different races,skin colours,nationalities,languages,etc,but we all still human and part of the wider human family.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-09-24 16:44

    With the utmost respect Mr Mulder, it would seem to be clear that the ANC are not interested in creating a multi-cultural country and recognizing minorities. They want it all, basically so that they can begin, again, fighting over which tribe is more important, more powerful and more numerous. We've come full circle in 170 years.

      phillip.marchant.52 - 2012-09-24 17:37

      Except Themba, all of the above have bought into the notion that in communism there is only one culture, and that is the culture of oppression of the majority, by the minority elite, to their obscene financial benefit. Not sure what I'm talking about? Notice how understanding the liberation party was with the striking Lonmin miners when a source of their wealth was threatened? Forget it, the only reason the ANC continue to bang the worn out 'cultural diversity' drum, is to ensure that you and Mark remain devided enemies, so that together you can be exploited and oppressed to the full.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 17:43

      Marchant, according to you, the multicultural ANC elites are the minority that is oppressing the minority (the entire SA citizenry) for financial benefit? I think I tend to agree with what you said. Mark Haupt, take the 22 retards who 'liked' your hogwash with you to consult an optometrist and see a shrink

      tw2066 - 2012-09-24 23:03

      themba - talking of retards - hows it going with you and your mates? Celebrating your crime infested, inflation riddled, low employment, poor education system, black elitist, press oppressed heritage are you.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 17:11

    It wil always be and remain pretoria. Why remove the afrikaans n english from the anthem? Cos blacks have proven they are far worse than whites with regards to being racists.

      Madhi - 2012-09-24 19:30

      How do u feel about that?

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 17:16

    @Jaap, you see this where the problem is, because i'm opinionated therefore I must be ANC comrade!!! I'm DA for crying out aloud!!!!! But that doesn't mean I should not express my views about addressing the errors of the past!!!! That looooong story about black people inventing nothing!!!? You wayyyy off the mark there boet!!!! imagine all that time and energy writing that long essay and you still get 0% for it!! LOL!!!!!!

      Jaap - 2012-09-24 18:34

      Facts, Tshepo, facts. Where are your facts/achievements?

  • mzondistanley - 2012-09-24 17:17

    The people questioning Heritage do not want to acknowledged as South africans!! Mr Mulder is free to Boer culture much as Zulus practice their Culture!!

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-24 20:16

      So be it then. At the end of it all we are all still South Africans and that's what matters most.A nation that is made up of different cultures,history,languages,ancestry,etc,but should all still be as ONE. America,the most ethnically diverse nation on earth,all celebrate the 4th of July.Whether they'd be Irish American,Italian American,Chinese American,Afro American,Hispanic American with their own unique festivals ranging from St Patricks day,Cinco De Mayo,Chinese New Year,all American people celebrate each of these without having to be the ethnic Irish,Italian or Chinese in order to do so. South Africa & South Africans needs to become more secure about our individual identity.The ANC government has made it near impossible to define what it means to be South African.Most South Africans are not comfortable with our national identity.We keep speaking of the Zulu Nation,Afrikaner people or Xhosa people,etc,when speaking of other South Africans.South Africa is not as new a country as some makes us out to be,but we need to mature more,define more in that which makes us South African. Ultimately we the human race.Yes we different races,skin colours,nationalities,languages,etc,but we all still human and part of the wider human family.

  • Kgosi King Meruti - 2012-09-24 17:18

    Never Knew the stem & don't have any intentions to! I will never sing the former colonial masters oppressive songs!

      christian.denyschen - 2012-09-24 17:55

      Die Stem Van Suid-Afrika (Cornelius Jacob Langenhoven) "Uit die blou van onse hemel, Vit die diepte van ons see. Oor ons ewige gebergtes waar Die kranse antwoord gee, Deur ons ver-verlate vlaktes Met die kreun van ossewa Ruis die stem van ons geliefde, Van ons land Suid-Afrika Ons sal antwoord op jou roepstem, Ons sal offer wat jy vra: Ons sal lewe, ons sal sterwe Ons vir jou, Suid-Afrika. In die merg van ons gebeente, In ons hart en siel en gees, In ons roem op ons verlede, In ons hoop op wat sal wees, In ons wil en werk en wandel, Van on wieg tot aan ons graf Deel geen ander land ons liefde, Trek geen ander trou ons af. Vaderland! ons sal die adel Van jou naam met ere dra: Waar en trou as Afrikaners Kinders van Suid-Afrika. In die songloed van ons somer, In ons winternag se kou, In die lente van ons liefde, In die lanfer van ons rou. By die klink van huw'liks-klokkies, By die kluitklap op die kis Streel jou stem ons nooit verniet nie, Weet jy waar jou kinders is. Op jou roep se ons nooit nee nie, Se ons altyd, altyd ja: Om te lewe, om te sterwe Ja ons kom, Suid-Afrika. Op U Almag vas vertrouend, Het ons vadere gebou: Skenk ook ons die krag, o Here! Om te handhaaf en te hou Dat die erwe van ons vaad're Vir ons kinders wrwe bly: Knegte van die Allerhoogste, Teen die hele wereld vry. Soos ons vadere vertrou het, Leer ook ons vertrou o Heer Met ons land en met ons nasie Sal dit wel wees, God regeer"

      marc.schnehage - 2012-09-24 18:29

      @Meruti: And i will never sing the present oppressor's freedom song! Don't know the words and will never learn it! I only stand up when the Afrikaans and English verses of the anthem are played!

      mariette.brand - 2012-09-24 22:14

      @christian, why force something down another's throat? That's sick.

      sean.bagley.50 - 2012-09-24 23:43

      @tienie.mac "Die Stem,whether in English or Afrikaans,was the best anthem ever written. It contains no animosity to anyone." And neither did Apartheid(1948-1994)because it was once labelled by that psychotic lunatic,HF Vervoerd,as merely "a policy of good neighbourliness".

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 17:25

    @Clayton R Delport, where does he speak!? Do you attend his meetings!!? what interesting issues does he bring up!!? Please share if you have anything of value that he has said in the recent past!! I dare you!!!!!

      tw2066 - 2012-09-24 23:05

      well said tenie.mac - you are a better breed of person obviously.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-09-24 17:34

    Going by comments made here this country is doomed and is already and we intelligent people know why!!Too many idiots with too many rights because of the past,the past you can never change but the present and maybe the future you can but only if the brain actually works properly and im sure everyone knows who i am referring to.

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-09-24 17:41

    It would be insane to remove the English and Afrikaans parts from the National Anthem! We are struggling as it is to build social cohesion,to do that will devide us even further. But name changes are necessary, especially of those who fought to protect the evil apartheid system. That was an evil and ugly system and no one should try and justify it. All right thinking and progressive thinking South Africans should agree that we cannot honour those monsters...

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-09-24 17:47

    I don't normally agree with the FF,but in this case I agree.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 17:50

    Judging by the comments I read here, white people still carry a lot of baggage from the past, they have NOT reconciled!! They have NEVER owned up to the role they played in supporting the apartheid regime!!! They were sole beneficiaries of a VERY ugly and oppressive system!!! They now black people to forget EVERYTHING and move on!!! Isn't that a mindset of an abuser!!!? Until white people apologise to black people and acknowledge the role they played during apartheid we will NEVER have peace in this country!!! We need a Truth and Reconciliation for while people!!!!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 17:59

      Don't generalise Mtshepana. Say “Die Boeremamaparas who gather on news24 every single minute ... carry a lot of baggage from the past, they have NOT reconciled!! They have NEVER owned up to the role they played in supporting the apartheid regime!!! If you read about what these idiots were planning before our fat police officers rounded them up like sheep and threw them in jail, you will NOT expect such heathens\\satanists to reconcile

      tobydt - 2012-09-24 18:25

      LOL, laughable. A fool who pushes his own biast agenda, and then tries to play 'apartheid' and 'forgiveness' cards to justify his crap. Ag, every year we have someone or another apologising for apartheid. Vlok washing feet, the Stellenbosch varsity apologising. When are you going to 'own up' to your role in the corrupt and incompetent ANC bafaan? And round and round we go, and yet we never get anywhere.

      Desilusionada - 2012-09-24 22:03

      3hrs ago I posted the below in response to the racist above and the moduratooor saw fit to delete mine, but not this racist's. So herewith again. I do not know how old you are, but it clear that you are either a snot nosed youngster, or uneducated, or just plain ignorant of the history of this country. The purpose of the TRC was exactly that. And millions was spent on that. And what goals were set out to achieve, were reached. Or are you also like this Fidel who calls the great Nelson Mandela an Uncle Tom who sold out to the white man? Are you calling Desmond Tutu a liar? But during the past 18 years it is people like you and your ilk that refused to accept that a clean slate was there, until it was sullied by racists who post content like you do. Calling people heathens and satanists...... You probably also support the laws like EE/BBBEE which you need because you are too uneducated/unskilled to get ahead in life on your own. You would like to see the white man "pay"? So that they can pay until this country is gone and failed like all others in Africa. And then you can blame it on the white man, because he failed to pay...............

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:03

    Im sorry but i have no need to apologise to black people for something i had no part of. And that goes for a large number of my fellow white young south africans. As to what i have seen a group of black people always want to play the victim yet theyre the cause of theyre own misfortunes. As for ur comments tshepo. Ur just as guilty. U stil whining n moaning about things of the past.

      Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-09-24 18:17

      s.j fourie you hit the nail on the head.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 18:24

      The way I see it, it's you who gather here on news24 moaning about genocide and every little thing under the sun. Get over yourselves, the world is not going to stop while you moan, curse and foam on the mouth.

  • Duane Morris - 2012-09-24 18:05

    is it wrong that im white why kill the boer and english part of south africa. we are one and should work with each other and not blame each other for mistakes in the past. all what we can do is learn from it

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:06

    Lol so tshepo thinks hes better since hes black lol

      Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 18:24

      LOL!!

  • caroline.j.smith.37 - 2012-09-24 18:09

    If Pieter Mulder thinks Brussels is a country, I don't think he has any sensible solutions...

      Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 18:21

      My point exactly!!!!! some leader he is, on this day the very important day, what a wasted opportunity to really bring to the fore some of the tough issues we grappling with as a society!! He chose to talk about Brussels!!!

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:10

    Fact is that the black man thinks that the white man owes him anything. Lol. U must be insane

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 18:21

      As a black man I don't think you as a white man you owe me anything. As a matter of fact, the sun does not come out of your racist flat behind to warm me. Except that I happen to breath the same air with you, we have absolutely nothing in common.

      tobydt - 2012-09-24 18:30

      Its true though Themba. Listen to Julius, and some of the vocal 'leaders'. They all want 'wealth' to be shared. Except their own of course.

      marc.schnehage - 2012-09-24 18:38

      @themba: And the fact that we have nothing in common necessitates the urgent establishment of a homeland where people of my culture can rule themselves!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 18:49

      Marc, you have a homeland where you can go and rule yourself dude: ZoOrania. Now off you go :)

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 18:51

      Sinudeity, please don't bring Juliarse in the equation. He is at the same level as this idiot called fourie. Those two have a lot in common

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-09-24 18:10

    the only way sa could achieve win win is to vote the anc the phuque out of power.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 18:17

    @sj.fourie.56 Do you read the bible!!? of course you do!! 'Sins of the fathers' think about that for a second, how they follow their sons!! You MUST apologise on their behalf!!! You have an obligation to make it right, so we can ALL get along!!! Don't get me wrong I'm not a racist I have white friends, I just feel you guys haven't really dealt with the past!!! You just want to quickly forget it ever happened!!

      tobydt - 2012-09-24 18:27

      Sins of the father is in Exodus, which is old testament. So unless you are Jewish...

      tobydt - 2012-09-24 18:28

      "I just feel you guys haven't really dealt with the past!" Err... I hate to point this out but... everyone is just moving on with their lives. The only people who have been clining to the past, is you actually. Its been reflected in EVERY SINGLE ONE of your comments. Time to grow up my son. Look forwards and backwards.

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-24 18:36

      You have been indoctrinated by religion and the ANC.

      ISO - 2012-09-24 19:52

      A lesson from the bible! God told Lot to take his family out of Sodom and Gramora and never to look back....his wife did look back and what happend to her! Just saying never look back, for you will stagnate and not move forward. Life is what you make of it, not what it have brought you in the past.

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-09-24 20:26

      Thsepo clearly you d

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-09-24 18:20

    ALL South Africans have been on a loosing streak since the ANC became the Government. Except the politicians and their families and friends that is :(

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:22

    And of course tshepo u playing the victim. As if ur forefathers didnt do anything wrong. Or even ur fellow "brothers and sisters"

      karien.hunter - 2012-09-24 18:40

      Mnr Fourie et al, I cringe... I need to place on record that I completely disaccociate myself from any form of racism. SA today is in much better shape than it would ever have been had we continued down the slippery path of apartheid. Viva South Africa.

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-09-24 20:25

      Karien, are you serious? Listen lady stop smoke your breakfast SA Is not better today than it would of been... Do you even know your history when south Africa was a sovereign state? Before overseas company's bought up our resources? Or before the rape murder and torture? Do you even know anything? Clearly judging by your statement your a complete idiot

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-09-24 18:23

    Tshepo once again you blame the whites have you ever looked a bit further than your own nose.Will you say sorry to whites for apartheid in reverse,i thought not,oh and nobody is equal,equal rights yes but never equal.Is a rapist equal to me,never boet.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:24

    Lol as for my fathers n mother. I can proudly say they had n played no part it the apartheid regime.

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-09-24 18:25

    Give him s.j

  • rory.short1 - 2012-09-24 18:26

    I agree with Pieter Mulder on this. We all want to contribute to our country and its development and if our particular heritage is accepted along with everybody else's then we do not have first to overcome a feeling of rejection before contributing.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:31

    Uhm i didnt say u owed me anything ass. Im 100% white south african. I dont care if ur blue or red as long as u dont act like an animal. Jus like the animals that strike. Kill. Rape. Steal.

  • Tshepo Gwamanda - 2012-09-24 18:32

    @sj.fourie.56 The ONLY crime my forefathers committed was that they were born BLACK!!!! We suffering today as a result of that!!! They paid dearly, thru humiliation and suffering and being told they worthless by your forefathers!!! They were even killed because their life was not worth anything!!

      tobydt - 2012-09-24 19:00

      Tshepo - Meanwhile, tens of thousands of people are killed annually. Their lives are worth nothing. Maybe a cellphone. And now, our only crime is that we are born white. "They paid dearly, thru humiliation and suffering and being told they worthless by your forefathers!" And how is that ANY different from what you are doing? Throwing race-cards, white-guilt and whatever else into the fray? Attacking people here, purely because of the colour of their skin. What difference is there between you and the architects of apartheid?

  • Gorden Park - 2012-09-24 18:32

    All the keys want want and want. They are not capable of creating anything for themselves and then when it all goes wrong blame it on apartheid.

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:36

    Lol u hipocrit. Look at the amount of white farmers murdered. Look at corruption. Rape. Murder. Oh yes its ur own people n yes u said it cos ur black lol

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:38

    U playing the victim yet again lol

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 18:56

    Lol. Thought so. Silence says it all

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-24 19:01

      Someone advised me that if I argue with an @ss-ole, it will drag me to its level and beat me with experience. Another said I should avoid wrestling with a racist pig in the mud because it enjoys it, while I just get dirty :)

      ISO - 2012-09-24 19:54

      @Themba, an opinion is like an a$$hole, everybody has one. Take things people say with a pinch of salt and lots of tequilla on the side ;)

  • sj.fourie.56 - 2012-09-24 19:05

    Lol judging me jus by my comments jus shows wat a fool u are. Lol. It takes a racist to know one. Well do u know what racist means???

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-09-24 19:07

    Amen Pieter Mulder! As the minority, we helped to build this country and we want our culture recognized. Keep the national anthem as it is!

  • michelle.walkerblake - 2012-09-25 12:54

    Unfortunately a party leader who doesn't know his countries from his capitals is not someone I want to listen to ... Brussels is the capital of Belgium, you fool!!! Get the facts of your speech correct before you open your mouth, I couldn't continue reading after such a glaring gaffe!

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