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SA paralysed over Libya - archbishop

2011-02-24 22:39

Johannesburg - The South African government's perceived kid-glove response to the unfolding events in Libya was criticised by the Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town on Thursday.

"The South African government looks as if it is paralysed, numb with fear of offending the 'Brother Leader' [Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi]," Archbishop Thabo Makgoba said in a statement.

"For the sake of humanity, in line with the principles of ubuntu, I call on them to speak out more strongly against his violations of international humanitarian law.

"Even the African Union has condemned Libya for 'indiscriminate and excessive use of force and lethal weapons against peaceful protesters'. Will the South African government not at least follow suit?"

Makgoba, who is currently at a conference in Bethlehem, said it appeared that long-time leader was "intent on murdering his own people".

"Many Libyans report that he is using mercenaries from other parts of Africa to gun down civilians indiscriminately in the streets.

"People of faith who uphold the belief that humanity reflects the spark of the divine, cannot watch helplessly as Libyans are killed like flies by those who are supposed to be looking after them."

A massive revolt has erupted in the North African country against Gaddafi. Government forces and regime opponents have reportedly been in violent clashes, with witnesses reportedly describing events as a "civil war".

The South African government earlier this month urged all Libyans to find a speedy and peaceful resolution to the crisis in their country.

Government continued to monitor the situation with interest and called on all parties involved to exercise restraint to prevent further loss of life.

Comments
  • mlh@24.com - 2011-02-24 23:15

    Well said Archbishop Thabo Makgoba!! It's SICKENING that the ANC CONTINUES to support MURDEROUS DICTATORS like Mugabe and Gadaffi!!! They do handle these barbaric excuses for human beings with kid-gloves and THAT in itself should be of GREAT concern to all South Africans!

      immelmap - 2011-02-25 00:12

      Too many skeletons in cupboard why should the anc interfere .lol

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-25 06:50

      To add to mlh@24.com, it is not often that we see sensible reporting about our current leaders, church or political. Archbishop Thabo Makgoba, I lift my hat for you. The ANC need to invest in some political Viagra. They are politically limp.

      Carl - 2011-02-25 07:49

      And the Burma bunch...

      Ash.187 - 2011-02-25 09:27

      Apparently some weapons were sold to Libya late last year. who knows, maybe that is 1 of the factors keeping the ANC;s mouth shut on this *Im not saying for certian that they sold the weapons cos they knew that the Libyan people would revolt against Gadaffi* but it is a possibility!!!

  • Blougroen - 2011-02-24 23:17

    Aan jou vriende sal jy geken word.

      jouplesier - 2011-02-25 09:09

      Meng jou met die semals en die varke eet jo op :)

  • qaqamba - 2011-02-24 23:39

    Well said! Mandela, in 2000 & 2007, condemned the situation in Zim as well as Mugabe despite the strong relationship they had with Mugabe during apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Zimbabwe_and_Robert_Mugabe). the ANC today do not seem to follow in Mandela's footsteps. Over a thousand have been killed in Libya and yet SA does not condemn them. Considering the hell people went through under the apartheid gov. one would think that our present gov. would stand up against a leader who is doing the same to his people, if not worse.

      JoeMuhr - 2011-02-25 08:49

      Of course it's worse.

  • spindoctor - 2011-02-24 23:48

    Remember he was guest of honour at the Union Building .SA is known to sleep with dogs IE> Mugabe Chavez Arafat Fidel and Gadaffi. It is rumored that Zim troops are part of the murdering bastards that form part of Mugabes busom mate.

      francoiswa - 2011-02-25 02:24

      (p)arafat, fidel castro and infidels must die.................... bring home real freedom to the people..... ............ people must speak out.......... f

      Para-gun - 2011-02-25 10:03

      Yes and thats why the ANC get nervous when there are Mercanary activity in Africa or governments that are being toppled. It exposes there flanks to embarrassing revelations. When ever one of these dictator ships go somebody in high places in South Africa loses a Foriegn bank account and gets the cold shivers. Shame man. "Nogal hard earned money to"

  • John Wilderness - 2011-02-25 00:45

    Once again, as he has done many tiimes before, the Arch has to give moral direction to a floundering government.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-02-25 01:05

    Archbishop Thabo Makgoba has a backbone, unlike the African National Circus Clowns.SA's powder puff poof poof stance with Chief Terrorist Muammar Gaddafi is just like their approach to Mad Dog Mugabe. And the tragedy is that in both cases, innocent people of Libya and Zim have lost there lives. Well done you powder poof clowns.

  • slg - 2011-02-25 01:15

    It is deeply distressing that the South African government, after all we went through during Apartheid, would be silent about this. It is deeply distressing. Wake up!

      D - 2011-02-25 07:20

      Thats what I dont understand... you would think that with our history the ANC would be especially sympathetic to the plight of other oppressed and downtrodden people.... Instead it seems (as proven over and over again) that they are only sympathetic to their own wallets

      D - 2011-02-25 07:22

      Thats what I dont understand... you would think that with our history the ANC would be especially sympathetic to the plight of other oppressed and downtrodden people.... Instead it seems (as proven over and over again) that they are only sympathetic to their own wallets

      Granny - 2011-02-25 09:54

      Distressing indeed and embarrassing.. this government is nothing but a bunch of yellow-bellied fence sitters. They do not speak for me and never will. I'm an old lady and not prone to foul language but I make an exception in this instance - f**k them and f**k Gaddafi.

  • asiseeit - 2011-02-25 01:27

    Because thats where most of our oil comes from......South Africa has been dealing with Gaddafi for a long time, supplying him with military hardware, in actual fact everyone has forgotten how Gaddafi was riding around South Africa a few years ago with a convoy handing out monies to farms he stopped at.........remember. Yep in the name of dictatorship and money the ANC will support him.

      lldoidge - 2011-02-25 07:31

      And he is one of the BIG financial supporters of the ANC.

  • francoiswa - 2011-02-25 01:57

    my good sir makgoba, thanks for clarity........ i shall sacrifice my life for ultimate freedom of the people in libya (and elsewhere, ultimately here?)................ please send me there soon....... the united states and britain will not do anything, very vested oil interests there........ and with provided military aid....... where is/was china/russia? i wonder....... our anc misgovernment........... ppppppppfffffffft, old cadres and corruption......... and greed........... let me know...... thanks for speaking out...... francois

  • cp - 2011-02-25 02:57

    It is disgusting that SA has not made it's position known about Libya. Everyone wants the US to make it's position known in every conflict on the planet, but SA, obviously part of the continent, chooses to be quiet on this one. The ANC always wanted world outrage under the Apartheid government for any human abuse, which never remotely amounted to what is happening in Libya now, yet they cannot find the guts to support these protestors hoping for a better life. Oh, that's right it was this oppressive regime that was supporting them in years past - funny how the world turns. One does not expect military intervention(although probably needed) but at least a condemnation.

  • Blip - 2011-02-25 03:19

    The ANC see the tyrant from Tripoli as their big friend, and the same applies to the brute in Harare.

      Cire - 2011-02-25 10:27

      And don't forget the thug in Havana

  • Kwailoh88 - 2011-02-25 03:54

    They are condoning his actions, because they will do the same if/once it happens in SA. Its also their style. F^&% the population, they are only there to bring the emperor his money and feed him - dispensable commodity

  • kilo39 - 2011-02-25 04:28

    I charge that it is because this very ANC government of ours would use the very same action against it's own people in a similar situation. Their silence amounts to a tacit approval of Gadaffi's attempts to hang on to his power. Anything that they do say from now on out would actually be meaningless because it would be more lies anyway. When will the masses in South Africa wake up and realise that it may already be too late to arrest the destructive future that the ANC holds for all of us. Our police and military already have key ANC cadres deployed and ready to fight their political cause....they are already bought and paid for. Our government is no different from other regimes in Africa. Do you honestly believe that if the ANC were to be defeated at the polls through voting power, that they would peacefully hand over power to a new dispensation. If you do, you are very naive.

      Geo Farmer - 2011-02-25 07:21

      @ kilo39 FOR THIS REASON ALL LAW ABIDING SA CITIZENS MUST GET THE ANC OUT OF POWER!! The following link's could do the trick: Gene Sharp: Author of the nonviolent revolution rulebook http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12522848 http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/198_methods-1.pdf

      Mart - 2011-02-25 07:37

      thank you Geo. I look forward to reading his point of view.

  • AJ - 2011-02-25 05:02

    Well said Archbishop. It remains perplexing to me that a govt that enjoyed such prominent moral support from foreign powers in ending apartheid, is intent to drag their feet when it comes to atrocities in other countries, defende the indefensible via their silence and delay in getting their own citizens out the country. It is an indictment on how little human life means to these 'leaders', and provides an insight I suppose into how it views us as citizens in this country too. This ANC govt is a self-serving leach.

  • Hungwe - 2011-02-25 05:22

    Well said Archbishop but the truth is the ANC leadership have absolutely no concern for human life because they too would act like Gaddafi to cling to power if needs be - particularly the failed woodwork student. Right now ZANU PF violence is escalating horrifically in our neighbouring Zimbabwe and from the ANC and SADC - A deafening silence because they couldn't give a rats arse if Mugabe and his henchmen killed a million innocent Zimbabweans. The ANCs only concern is to monitor for their own long term interests just how much these tyrants can get away with, so that in time they too can do the same to stay in power.

  • Kevin Rack - 2011-02-25 05:40

    The ANC and Gadaffi have financial ties and some common investments in the Congo. Mo Shaik can show us some secrets!! Gadaffi is getting support from Italy and a few others who get their oil here.

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-02-25 05:51

    The ANC got to power using the Human Rights card to get support from liberals in the UK and other western countries. They can no longer lay any claim to human rights, morality or ethics. They should adopt the slogan "Talk is cheap, money buys the whisky".

      YasButIDunno - 2011-02-25 07:45

      A couple more slogans come to mind: "Keep on walking!" "I'm all right Jack!"

  • Susannomore - 2011-02-25 06:20

    Hear Hear! Well said. Funny how the church has to plead with the Government to please let their position known. Speak up Zuma, we can't hear you...

      Wes - 2011-02-25 07:32

      I wonder why TuTu is also so quite?

  • Judge DREAD - 2011-02-25 06:32

    Your all just too fast for the ANC-elections coming up remember. The ANC will soon say "auwa you mustnt do dat, you musnt kill each other"when in actual fact its just Gadaffi murdering everyone, still the masses voting for the ANC will say "okay,see they have condemnded it"

  • stofsuier - 2011-02-25 06:55

    21st century savages

  • pat.obrien - 2011-02-25 06:58

    What do you expect from the ANC????

  • Proudly SA - 2011-02-25 07:03

    Unfortunately the modern ANC is morally bankrupt and sees no need to take any note of these appalling atrocities in Libya and on going brutal conduct of Mugabe let alone the disasters of Cuba and North Korea. Any organsiation that condones singing of Malema;s song on same day that two farmes have been murdered should be put on UN blacklist. I used to support ANC and had huge admiration of people such as Tambo, Madiba, Sisulu and Thabo Mbkei (before he lost his way as president); these were and are very dignified men who were an example for the world to look up to; the current leadership (other than likes of Ramaphosa, Manuel and Gordhan) have proven to be inept and lacking of any perception.

      jannie.swem16 - 2011-02-25 08:50

      with you on that one! respect the the old school ANC. ja ek is wit en afrikaans.... the new ANC..... Power and Money has corrupted them. they will fall one day.... Like Gadaffi, Like Noriega etc.. etc.... I have a theory that the ANC want to keep the masses uneducated... os they can brainwash them to stay in power... hence why our schools and education system is such a disaster

      Cire - 2011-02-25 10:35

      Let's get this clear - you supported the ANC when it was a lapdog of the Imperial Russian Communist Empire? You supported the ANC when it endorsed the brutal invasions of Eastern Europeans countries like Hungary? You supported the ANC when it endorsed the vicious repression of that Stalinist dictator castro? You supported the ANC when (under madiba, sisulu et al) it sent a message of congratulation to the attempted anti-Gorbachev coup plotters? Good lord man, better late than never - wake up!

      W H Kotze - 2011-02-25 10:59

      Brother Leader Gaddafi shares your admiration: thats why he wears the Order of OR Tambo given to him by brother Nelson. That is something to be proud of! Birds of a feather...

  • Zamalecq - 2011-02-25 07:08

    Where are all the pro-ANC commentators now? Nowhere to be found! Pathetic. If you actually possess a brain you cannot fault what the Archbishop is saying.

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-25 07:24

      Like on the other forums, the pro-ANC commentators just erase their posts is someone answers them in a manner exposing their errors. Here they must have employed self censorship. On one of the posts, yesterday, one of the ANC commentators erased his post - (That erases all the answers to his/her post.) and simply re-posted it again. This happened several times. That is an infringement on the right to free speech. To intentionally erase the comments and then re- post your views again.

      Zamalecq - 2011-02-25 08:03

      @Law Abiding: Unbelievable, but not unexpected since all their arguments are juvenile and flawed.

      Felix - 2011-02-25 08:11

      Me thinks you are giving them too much credit LA. I think it is the admin of the site who delete their comments due to the fact that most of them are nonsensical...

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-25 08:32

      The site admin closed comments after 3 hours. There may be some truth in the theory that the News24 admins are interfering. Therefore, I request that the "Delete" option becomes inactive 15 minutes after the post was made. That is enough time to re-consider what you have stated. The other side of the coin, I can post some extremely controversial and inflammatory. Wait for the abuse to flow in and then delete the post. That will result in most of the abuse remaining and successfully ridiculing the opposing views.

  • Tc - 2011-02-25 07:14

    Dear Archbishop, you cannot expect the ANC government to speak out against their loyal friend. Keep in mind that it remains strongly rumoured that "Gadaffi financed an earlier ANC election campaign".

  • Fanie - 2011-02-25 07:23

    Murderers will not comment each others murders

  • dennyt - 2011-02-25 07:40

    The problem is that White people hate black people,Blacks have tried to come to the subarbs just to be mixed with the whites.Whites move out of the area as soon as black arrive.Whites on the other hand wont move to the townships no matter how poor they are.You will only see Whites in the township if they have won a tender to fix the road or something.l am inviting you White prople,work with the blacks,show them that you care about them,change your attitude in favour of them,assure them that there will be no apartheid ever again.Then l tell you ,it will be the last of ANC.l myself would vote for change...

      princess.arlene - 2011-02-25 07:49

      What the hell is the connection between Gadaffi and whites in the townships? You've pressed the wrong button on your keyboard.Try "delete" and then disappear.

      Zamalecq - 2011-02-25 08:17

      Oh what rubbish! My one neighbour is black and the other is Indian and they are amazing people. There is no 'hate'. Get over yourself and realise that 99% of whites WANT to work together with all races.

      colin langley - 2011-02-25 08:41

      Jesus....Dennyt is a real retard...i live in a multicultural suburb...no problems...and i know of white people who live in townships...so i don;t know where your hateful diatribe is going...erm...i think you should stick to scratching your ass with your face

      Law Abiding - 2011-02-25 09:30

      What a distorted racist thing to say. Generalizing that all white people hate black people is bull. It is like saying that all black people hates whites. You would find that very offensive. Treating a specific ethnic minority as if they are the enemy, forces them to respond. Then you can shout how bad they are. You are forcing the wedge of racial divide with your attitude. If it was true that the whites were just moving out of the area, where could they possibly be moving to. Are you saying that there are so many houses available in the traditionally white areas, that they can just vacate sections because a black moved in. An all white contractor cannot win a tender to fix roads in the township. The BEE structures prevent that. Or are you so indoctrinated that you actually believe your propaganda?

  • Alwyn - 2011-02-25 07:45

    The ANC Goverment has been paralysed since coming to power in 1994

      gwildone - 2011-02-25 07:50

      Well said!

      jevoixtout - 2011-02-25 09:45

      ANC has never been a goverment. Always been a revolution mindset. The pic winnie the poo on the main page is a good example. Instead of speaking to the crowd, she will punch the air shouting hate slogans. They still call each other comrade in parlament. The list goes on.

  • pgaybba - 2011-02-25 07:50

    Is the events in Lybia is to be repeated in our Country?

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-02-25 07:53

    It is the inevitable result of long standing one party dictatorships which become oppressive in maintaining power. Pasop ANC! Seventeen years of corruption, nepotism and allowing good apartheid structures to degrade in pursuit of personal wealth.

  • JiveTalking - 2011-02-25 07:55

    There's apparently a story long fortold that the people of the world, i.e. Israel wanted a king to rule them instead of God. They were warned of what would follow if you placed your trust in man. Anyway, long story short. All the world's governments HAS to fall. The system currently HAS to fail. We are seeing that now. Now imagine, life as we know it no longer there. No oil. no food, -- widespread violence- no one will escape I'm sorry to say.

  • Madelane - 2011-02-25 08:01

    Problem is that the ANC and Gadaffi and Mugabe et al are all from pretty much the same school of thought which (they were trained by the communists)is self serving, self enrichment, dishonesty, corruption etc etc followed by clever remarks such as "Forgive me father for I have sinned.....now lets move on". Such is their total disregard for the population as a whole and this disregard is manifest openly in Gadaffi's response to the uprising or Mad Bob's response to the people he lives off. Once, we, as South Africans stand together in the realisation that the parasites "governing" this country are in it only for themselves, only then will things change.

  • Gaddafi - 2011-02-25 08:02

    crisis in Libya? what crisis

  • Weepee - 2011-02-25 08:03

    "Government continued to monitor the situation with interest and called on all parties involved to exercise restraint to prevent further loss of life." What a joke. Like Gadaffi is going to listen to this BS! So much for restraint.

  • zulufox - 2011-02-25 08:10

    Who gives a sht!t!

  • Garreth - 2011-02-25 08:16

    Watch out for an uprise in south africa soon. Keep your eyes on facebook in the next couple of weeks.

  • bill - 2011-02-25 08:20

    Zuma , mugabe and gaddafi are fellow terrorists who hate the old colonial powers and hence whites.Neo fascist scum.

  • flyingsaucer - 2011-02-25 08:31

    We all know what happens when the sh*t hits the fan. It only speads it! Our own King Fly Zuma, Queen Fly Malema and their beloved Fly squad ANC only care for 1 thing - HOW CAN WE GET FATTER??? On what they feed doesn't concern them at all!!!

  • ludlowdj - 2011-02-25 08:35

    Sorry Desmond, The Government isn't available right now, all available personnel are in Libya taking notes and getting pointers on how to carry out an unhindered Genocide in South Africa. Add this to what they have already learn from ZIM, they should be just about ready to try turn this country into a communist block. Quiet Diplomacy actually means they don't say anything and hope the problem goes away on its own, South Africa will never chance alienating someone they will need later.

  • maseratifitt - 2011-02-25 08:42

    Even if our government condemns Gadaffi now, it will be too late. They have already shown their hand a long time ago. The people of Libya will also be aware of this.

  • SuperCal - 2011-02-25 08:46

    Gaddi will probably take up residence in Cape Town when he is eventually kicked out

  • Duke - 2011-02-25 09:03

    Gadaffi is history. The ANC cannot speak out NOT because of offending Gadaffi, but the Muslims in this country who bank roll them, like the Shady Shaiks and the rest of them who have infiltrated the ANC and government for their own agendas.

  • Mike - 2011-02-25 09:06

    You never know. We might even offer him asylum here at the tax payers expence

  • KaiinSA - 2011-02-25 09:18

    They wont condem what is happening, they try and take the credit for it like with Egpyt after their R100m youth pissup.

  • pigspotterPe - 2011-02-25 09:45

    Excuse me!chavez!arafat!mugabe!fidel!gaddafi!mugabe! Are all hero's against the ENGLISH WORLD and their propaganda.The english world news make you beleave thee said people are bad news they are not these guys prevented their countries to become holiday resort for "john and the misses"And i would do the same in my coutry the republic of kullids

      francoiswa - 2011-02-25 09:56

      here my ou, kan jy nie spel nie? gaan terug skool toe..... goeie fonkprop.........

  • Peter - 2011-02-25 09:54

    Do not worry Archbishop, they will still get into heaven as they are the ANC. They can watch as their brothers get slaughtered as THEY ARE THE CHOOSEN ONES. VIVA ANC

  • Paul - 2011-02-25 10:10

    Once again our Government remain quite! Are they scared of having to say how much Gadaffi gave them on his last visit here in South Africa? Or are they just plain and simply scared that some of their own skeletons might end up being opened to the world?

  • amabok - 2011-02-25 10:41

    The ANC supports Gaddafi, why would it speak out against him?

  • Janine - 2011-02-25 11:16

    Well done - finally someone speaks up.

  • ntabazinduna - 2011-02-25 11:59

    Your gonvernment will never denounce the killing in Libya if they cannot even denounce the killing in Zimbabwe that's being going on for years and years under Mugabe.

  • Spoedvark - 2011-02-25 14:47

    "People of faith who uphold the belief that humanity reflects the spark of the divine, cannot watch helplessly as Libyans are killed like flies by those who are supposed to be looking after them." One small correction, Bish. ALL decent people, not only believers, agree with you on this one.