SA seeks inclusive Libyan authority

2011-09-13 20:10

Cape Town - Libya's interim authority must include representatives from all regions of the country, International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane said on Tuesday.

Libya's history had shown the danger of the leadership being drawn from only one part of the country, she said.

"When Colonel [Muammar] Gaddafi toppled the monarchy in 1969, he promised democracy and good governance to the people of Libya," she told a government cluster briefing.

"Forty-two years later, all people who were part of this regime were largely from the part of the country where he came from and from the neighbouring places.

"People from Benghazi and the surrounding areas felt excluded throughout his regime. At the moment, we all know the revolution started in Benghazi and Misrata and started unfolding towards these other areas."

Nkoana-Mashabane said the National Transitional Council (NTC), recognised by more than 80 nations, but not the African Union, as Libya's legitimate leaders, knew "exactly what the AU meant by an all inclusive interim government".

It should "include all sectors and representatives of all the regions that complete Libya".

She stopped short of directly calling for members of the fallen Gaddafi regime to be included in the NTC, but said the fact that one of them now led the new authority was not enough.

NTC leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil served as justice minister under Gaddafi.

"I don't think if you have one or two people we would then say this is all-inclusive because you have picked one person from that part of the world."

The minister raised concerns about reprisals against black Libyans or sub-Saharan Africans suspected of being mercenaries for the Gaddafi regime.

"In Libya at the moment, many people who come from the southern part of the country are black like me. We have been getting reports of killings and atrocities against people of colour because of this lack of reconciliation," she said.

"The NTC remains an opportunity which should not be missed by wanting to just gallop and not wanting to be as inclusive as possible."

Not happy

Earlier this month, South Africa boycotted a conference of world leaders on Libya in Paris, because of Nato's role in the overthrow of the Gaddafi regime and what it deemed a lack of representivity in the NTC.

President Jacob Zuma said he was "not happy" at how "individual countries" had interpreted UN resolution 1973 that paved the way for military action in Libya.

State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele said at the same briefing that the government was worried about arms, including anti-aircraft weaponry, in the region falling into the hands of "terror" groups.

He dismissed suggestions that South Africa had contributed to this danger by selling arms to the Gaddafi regime as late as last year. There had been no further exports since then, he said.

"The conflict in Libya really began in earnest this year and since then I am not aware that South Africa has sold any weapons to that regime or government," Cwele said.

"Unlike certain countries who have been confirming that they have been arming certain components, the South African government has not done so. I refute any suggestions that South Africa has sold weapons during this type of conflict in Libya."

Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said South Africa had not been able to foresee the events in Libya, though several ministries had been monitoring the unfolding of the Arab Spring.

"When we sold the sniper rifles that you might be referring to, Libya was as secure - to the extent that it was possible for us to determine - as any other country," she said.

"In some countries we are not able to predict that there might be unrest."

  • Verdade - 2011-09-13 20:25

    Now who is SA to make demands???

      Francois - 2011-09-13 20:56

      Can you please show us where the Minister demanded anything? It is more of a concern that our Minister of Defence does not know that sniper rifles can also be used in war. In fact it is more often used in war than in any other situation, but she is royal game, she is ANC royalty, thus I demand that she listens to Bob Marley: "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time."

  • Bill - 2011-09-13 20:41

    Oh shut up...!

  • Clif Evans - 2011-09-13 20:44

    That's rich: South Africa telling another country how to govern. Should read, "How to Ruin a Country Using the ANC Method."

      Pottie - 2011-09-14 07:22

      well said sad but TRUE

  • Debonaire - 2011-09-13 20:49

    I am glad you noticed thius little move by Gadaffi in employing people from his region only in government - now have the decency to admit that Malema is doing the same in micrcosm which if not stopped will replicate exactly what Gadafi did and will probably have the same end 42 years from the day he is allowed to expand at will

      khoi007 - 2011-09-14 09:32

      do not speak about my countries future president like that, how many years did you whites rule this country without the west surporting the ANC which by the way you whites also called rebels, they only had sanctions against you. Malema will rule, how he will rule this country and how he will treat you whites, all depands on you you whites are treating him now, start kissing his black african ass

      slg - 2011-09-20 02:56

      khoi, Apartheid would not have been ended were it not for so-called White South Africans and the demands placed on the Apartheid regime by the so-called West. You're being a racist, just like the Apartheid regime. Do you realize this?

  • Anton - 2011-09-13 20:58

    It's mind bogging........ The SA government is digging itself deeper and deeper in the mud!!! Now it is no longer the Libyan people who are going to decide their dsetiny, but a foreign government (SA) who will tell them what to do!! This is becoming extremely embarrassing!!!!!!

  • JohnPicarra - 2011-09-13 21:25

    We all know the revolution started in Tripoly but the people were slaughtered by Gaddafi. Zuma was not at the meeting were the plans were made for the future of Lybia. What International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane says does not matter. What President Jacob Zuma says does not matter. What State Security Minister Siyabonga Cwele says does not matter. They are just comrade tsotsis members of the ANC Revolutionary Dictatorship Gang - brothers in Genocide of Gaddafi!

      Theo - 2011-09-14 08:14

      Please print out and send to Zuma by hand He is the joker in AU our shower head !!! He cannot read

  • Xavier - 2011-09-13 22:34

    "President Jacob Zuma said he was "not happy" at how "individual countries" had interpreted UN resolution 1973 that paved the way for military action in Libya." mmm, Jacob Zuma don't know what stands in UN resolution 1973... par 4 "to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi" par 6 "Decides to establish a ban on all flights in the airspace of the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya in order to help protect civilians" par 7 "Decides further that the ban imposed by paragraph 6 shall not apply to flights whose sole purpose is humanitarian, such as delivering or facilitating the delivery of assistance, including medical supplies, food, humanitarian workers and related assistance, or evacuating foreign nationals from the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya,nor shall it apply to flights authorised by paragraphs 4 or 8" By bombing gadaffi ammo and weapons storage bunkers, as well as command post, thus try to diminish gadaffi's fire power and make it difficult to give orders to his troops is trying to protect civilians. Gadaffi used human shields to protect these areas, every time NATO received info in time that there are civilians they aboard that particular mission else civilians was killed and gadaffi used it to promote is propaganda. Now he runs away like a rat.

      Theo - 2011-09-14 08:09

      Zuma will never read this, I am sorry to say our President of the day cannot read or understand anything better than cartoon with shower caps What a shame of a President of a country like SA !!!!

  • marco - 2011-09-13 22:59

    Anyone ever wondered:How Gaddafi became a NATO ie Western-backed dictator? From "rogue state" to a neoliberal client- When Gaddafi's regime’s genocide against the Libyan people unfolded,it took days before the USA and other Western governments were prepared to condemn the regime for this monstrosity.Even as late as February 23,US President Barak Obama had not condemned Gaddafi by name.Why is that? You see throughout much of the 1980's and the 1990's the Gaddafi regime was attacked by the same NATO governments as a "terrorist rogue state" because of its political and material support to numerous national liberation movements around the world.The administration of US President Ronald Reagan imposed economic sanctions on Libya and carried out bombing raids to try and assassinate Gaddafi,but failed.Which meant one thing and that is:Secret negotiations for a rapprochement with the US and other Western governments.First off,UN sanctions were lifted in 1999 and by 2006 the US lifted its own sanctions and normalised relations with Gaddafi. Consequently,European leaders flocked to Libya with greedy businesspeople hanging on to their coat tails and before long several European oil companies were back in business,with banks,airlines and hotel chains all following. Former British Labour PM Tony Blair and scandal-plagued,right-wing Italian President Silvio Berlusconi played leading roles in this.Gaddafi’s son Saif,the neoliberal frontman for Libya,stepped up the plate

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:00

    Saif offered NATO Nations greater access to capital,tax concessions and privatisation.According to an April 2010 report from the Libyan government,over the previous 10 years the the regime privatised 110 state-owned companies.The same report promised to privatise 100% of the Libyan economy over time.The prospect of the privatisation of the oil refineries and other downstream sectors of the oil industry promises lucrative profits to the WEST. America's interests: Worried that they were missing out to European competition,a group of powerful US companies(including BP,Chevron,ConocoPhillips,Dow Chemical, ExxonMobil,Fluor,Halliburton,Hess Corporation,Marathon Oil,Midrex Technologies,Motorola,Northrop Grumman,Occidental Petroleum,Raytheon, Shell and United Gulf Construction Company)all set up a US-Libya Business Association to catch up with Europe. Among the Gaddafi regime’s new lobbyists and "friend" in Washington was arch neocon Richard Perle,a former Reagan-era US Defense Department official and George W. Bush -era chair of the US Defense Policy Board. According to US political reporter Lauren Rozen,Perle traveled to Libya as a paid adviser to the Monitor Group,a prestigious Boston-based consulting firm with close ties to leading professors at the Harvard Business School. Several major US oil companies,including ConocoPhillips,Marathon Oil and Hess Corp,now have significant stakes in Libya's oil industry,according to a fact sheet prepared by Reuters News on Feb,23

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:00

    2011.However,80-85% of Libya’s oil exports go to Europe and companies such as British Petroleum,Italy’s Eni,Spain’s Repsol and Royal Dutch Shell have some of the biggest stakes. Italian interests In the February 23 issue of the British Guardian, Tom Bawden and John Hooper described the role of Berlusconi in Europe’s courting of the Gaddafi regime: Gaddafi and Berlusconi have a famously warm personal relationship. Less well-known, however, is the fact that Berlusconi is in business with one of the Libyan state’s investment vehicles.In June 2009, a Dutch-registered firm controlled by the Libyan Arab Foreign Investment Company,took a 10% stake in Quinta Communications,a Paris-based film production and distribution company.Quinta Communications was founded back in 1990 by Berlusconi in partnership with Tarak Ben Ammar, the nephew of the late Tunisian leader, Habib Bourguiba. The Italian prime minister has a 22% interest in the company through a Luxembourg-registered subsidiary of Fininvest, the firm at the heart of his sprawling business empire.Last September,the Libyans put a director on the board of Quinta Communications to sit alongside Berlusconiís representatives.Libyan investors already hold significant interests in several strategic Italian enterprises.They reportedly own around one per cent of Italy’s biggest oil company,Eni;the LIA has an acknowledged 2% interest in the aerospace and defence group,Finmeccanica;Lafico is thought to retain more than 2% of Fiat and

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:00

    almost 15% of a quoted telecommunications company,Retelit. The Libyans also own 22% of the capital of a textile firm, Olcese. Perhaps their best-known investment is a 7.5% stake in the Serie A side Juventus. But undoubtedly the most controversial is another 7.5 per cent interest in Italyís largest bank, Unicredit. The European Union’s latest annual report on arms exports revealed Libya’s biggest military suppliers in Europe, reported Deutsche Presse-Agentur: Italy granted export licences totalling 112 million euros, with a single 108-million-euro licence for military aircraft making up most of the amount,[was the largest supplier] Malta emerged as the second-largest exporter, having authorized the sale of an 80-million-euro consignment of small arms… Germany was third in the list,with 53 million euros of licences, mostly for electronic jamming equipment used to disrupt mobile phone,internet and GPS communication… France was next with 30.5 million euros, followed by Britain with 25.5 million euros, and Belgium with 22 million euros. British interests: According to the Guardian Newspaper Bawden and Hooper: About 150 British companies have established a presence in Libya since the US and Europe lifted economic sanctions in 2004,after the country renounced terrorism,ceased its nuclear weapons programme and handed over two suspects in the Lockerbie bombing case.The most high profile have been the oil companies,keen to tap Libya’s vast reserves of fossil fuels.

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:01

    In a deal brokered in 2007 by Tony Blair,BP signed a £560m exploration agreement allowing it to search for oil and gas,offshore and onshore,in a joint venture with the Libya Investment Corporation.Shell is also exploring for oil in Libya as western companies seek to capitalise on a country with the largest oil reserves in Africa and substantial supplies of gas. High street retailers such as Marks & Spencer,Next,Monsoon and Accessorize have also set up in the country to serve the growing middle-class population,as oil revenues have 'trickled down' into the broader Libyan population. .Companies such as AMEC,an engineering firm,and Biwater,a waste treatment company,have supplied services to Libya,which is using its oil revenues to reshape the country through an infrastructure spending spree that will cost about £310bn over the next decade. British exports to Libya have soared to about £930m in recent years, while the business momentum in post-sanctions Libya is so great that the economy managed to grow by about 5% last year,while much of the rest of the world struggled. Gaddafi’s son Saif,speaking in his private suite in Mayfair’s five-star Connaught Hotel,told the British Daily Mirror in June 2010: Tony Blair has an excellent relationship with my father.For us,he is a personal family friend.I first met him around four years ago at Number 10.Since then I’ve met him several times in Libya where he stays with my father.He has come to Libya many, many times

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:01

    Libya considered Blair to be a trusted adviser to the Libyan Investment Authority, a role that Blair now denies.But Blair’s done his dirty job well. As a February 19, 2011 ,report in the British Independent revealed: ?Since the warming of relations between Libya and Britain, officers travelled frequently to Tripoli between 2008 and 2009 to train police, and Britain has authorised the export of tear gas,crowd-control ammunition, small-arms ammunition and door-breaching projectile launchers.Three years ago,ministers agreed to send Libya vehicles armed with water cannons. There are also unconfirmed reports that riot vans made by British companies have been present during crackdowns in the Libyan city of Benghazi, where scores have been killed. One of the murderous special battalions headed by another Gaddafi son, Khamis, is a British-trained unit, according to a February 21 Associated Press report.The same greedy and powerful Western interests that first attacked and then propped up the Gaddafi regime are preparing for a change of tack,which included direct military intervention. As the 19th century British Prime Minister Lord Palmerston famously wrote:"We have no eternal allies,and we have no perpetual enemies.Our interests are eternal and perpetual".Hopefully the makers of the new Libyan NTC will heed the lessons of its own history.So don't be so eager to say the ANC or the AU and Gaddafi were all mates,it's the ****ing West that's been the biggest ****sucker of Gaddafi.

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:02

    Libya:The Settling Of Scores between pro-Gaddafi forces and the Rebels. The crimes of the Gaddafi dictatorship are legion and well documented by Western journalist,the brutality of the anti-Gaddafi forces this year less so,up until now. Amnesty International has published a 107 page report "The Battle For Libya" which accuses both sides of war crimes.The report notes that by far the majority of atrocities were carried out by the Gaddafi side but also catalogues those committed by the Rebels and warns that these are continuing.In June news reports were warning that a degree of "pay back" was inevitable,and Amnesty suggested it was widespread but notes that the National Transitional Council(NTC)has made strenuous verbal efforts to try and curb it. Amnesty International says there has been lynching of Gaddafi soldiers after capture and that dozens of people accused of being part of the regime have been murdered.These crimes happened after the capture of territory in Eastern Libya and are thought to still be occurring now in the West.It is,in the words of the report a "brutal settling of scores" by anti-Gaddafi forces. In Tripoli it is believed that hundreds of people have been taken from their homes or work places.Many have been beaten with sticks and rifles while bound and blindfolded,in some cases,says Amnesty,they were shot. The campaign of violence against black Africans continues.Of the estimated thousands of people rounded up Amnesty estimates up to half

  • marco - 2011-09-13 23:02

    are foreigners and most of those are black Africans. It accuses the NTC of not doing enough to correct false assumptions that the black African workers in Libya are mercenaries.The NTC has consistently sent messages to its forces ordering them to obey and respect international law and refrain from reprisals.The problem though is not only that some atrocities were inevitable,but that the NTC doesn't control the Rebel fighters.For example,prison officials told Amnesty International that they report to the local military councils only and not to the Ministry of Justice.There is clearly no unified command of the rebel forces now is it,the Misrata fighters will only take orders from Misrata,Tripoli fighters from Tripoli etc,etc. Load of bull**** going on there in Libya where the NTC gets recognition in France by NATO and 30 other nations,but gets ****all recognition in their own country Libya.How about that?

      slg - 2011-09-14 06:09

      Quick poll: how many people read all this? Me, no.

  • slg - 2011-09-14 07:18

    It's such a shame how South Africa has gone about the Libya situation. From the high ground to a low swamp, cohabiting with Robert Mugabe and Hugo Chavez. I wonder what our leaders are thinking now, with Gadhafi ousted by ANC-like freedom fighters. Do they understand yet?

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