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SA to reopen land claims process

2011-05-10 14:53

Johannesburg - The government will reopen a claims process that compensates black families who were removed from their land under white rule to offer redress to those who failed to meet earlier deadlines.

The programme has compensated people or families, usually with a cash sum, who were forcibly driven from their land under the 1913 Natives' Land Act, which set aside the vast majority of arable land for whites.

Most of the 80 000 claims that were made for restitution have been settled but a government spokesperson said on Tuesday new ones would now be considered, including for people whose ancestors were uprooted before 1913.

"This was unfair because a lot of land was dispossessed even before 1913," said Mtobeli Mxotwa, spokesperson for the ministry of rural development and land reform.

The restitution issue is separate from the government drive to redistribute farm land to blacks but both policies are aimed at redressing historic wrongs and racial imbalances.

But claimants can be given a choice between land or cash and so a new wave could further unnerve investors in the agricultural sector, which only accounts for about 2% of the economy but is a major employer.

ANC Youth League president Julius Malema has called for a mass seizure of land, rattling investor sentiment.

"While land restitution and land reform are not the same thing, they should come very close somewhere down the line," said Gary van Staden, a political analyst at NKC Independent Economists.

The government now maintains that too many people were left out of the initial claims process.

"While thousands have benefitted and are still benefitting from land restitution, people have complained that they were not in the country to submit their claims or were not made aware of the claims process," said Mxotwa.

The initial claims period was from 1995 until December 1998. A total of 74 808 out of 79 696 claims were settled and a 2005 deadline to resolve outstanding claims was extended to 2011.

"The new period should last longer than three years so that all claims can be dealt with," said Mxotwa.

He said the next step is to take the issue to Cabinet so it can then go to Parliament, where a new law will be created or an amendment made to the Land Restitution Act.

Comments
  • Natand - 2011-05-10 15:06

    And so it begins......

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 16:18

      Don't start another bloodriver Tshepo, your people came from Rhodesia.

      camp.j - 2011-05-10 16:19

      Hey nightmare, pity i'm not the farmer when you come knocking on my door

      GT - 2011-05-10 16:22

      YOurnightmare - what about all the land that Shaka stole during the Mfekane? How far back do you go? The Matebele have a genuine claim on Gauteng! The reality is that land does not bring wealth. The land needs to be productive and handing out land to subsistence farmers is just about the worst thing this country can do. Take a drive north and visit the farms there. People are starving, even the so-called war-vets are asking guys to come back.

  • Siener2011 - 2011-05-10 15:09

    HAS ANYONE ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY BLACKS WERE ACTUALLY HERE BEFORE 1900?????

      Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-05-10 15:16

      In the 1900 Census there were approximately 4 million Blacks living in South Africa.

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 15:26

      @Siener - have you ever asked why there were black concentration camps during the Anglo-Boer war?

      vtowntekkie - 2011-05-10 15:51

      Gimmy,gimmy my name is Jimmy,Shepo,Lucky.......ECT!!!

      paulmandlankosi - 2011-05-10 16:22

      4 million blacks, that a blue lie

      W H Kotze - 2011-05-10 18:40

      @Paulmandlankosi. You are right. Blacks numbered 4million only by 1910.

      So What? - 2011-05-10 18:44

      Um Paul Mandlankosi, there were a bit less, around 3,5 million if my memory serves me correctly. The entire population in 1904 or there abouts was about 5 million with just over a million whites then. The growth rate of the blacks flourished due to disease reduction and extension of longevity due to a better food supply. cerveza - the blacks placed in "concentration camps" were the workers that stayed on the white owned farms and were removed when the British forces applied the scorched eart policy, apparently for their own protection.

  • Gorilla - 2011-05-10 15:09

    There's a zulu on my stoep.

  • XAD - 2011-05-10 15:12

    How the hell do you prove that you 'owned' that piece of land?

      umlaut - 2011-05-10 15:44

      By copy and paste of course, and a good photostat machine-that will fool any claims board official--and Paul Kruger's signature will probably also be on it.--FOOLPROOF!!!

      apie - 2011-05-10 16:09

      Show me your Deed of Sale.

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 16:21

      Yes, show the deed of sale. The Deeds office also keep records.

  • M.H - 2011-05-10 15:12

    another sorry way of trying to win over the people before election time, what a load of hog wash...

  • XAD - 2011-05-10 15:14

    So, they will literally claim the Western Cape...

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 16:02

      @yournightmare - stop your idiocracy, many already know you are the 4th guy in the Phalaborwa Four trying to recruit stupid racists to attack innocent people

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 16:06

      @Straatkat - about what era are you referring to when you talk about your great grandfather?

      Mgayi - 2011-05-10 16:20

      @Yournightmare Do not preach violence man , whether you are trolling or otherwise

  • MJ84@24.com - 2011-05-10 15:14

    I really hope SA whites speak out before it is to late. You will find VERY few farms were originally owned by blacks.

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 15:46

      No Sanegran, before the whites came there were no farms.

      rasta7109 - 2011-05-10 15:47

      @Sanegran: right back at you. The blacks' territory only extended to the Great Fish River in the Eastern Cape. That was after they dispossessed the Khoisan from their land. So if this is to go through, the entire country should be handed back to the Khoisan.

      the_nazi - 2011-05-10 15:53

      you dont think its funny that 60 000 white farmers own 70% of the best agricultural land in SA?

      apie - 2011-05-10 16:13

      @senarse Nor were there blacks as we have now. Only tribes who were hunter gatherers. Go read your unbiased history books.

      apie - 2011-05-10 16:14

      nazi, go ask your anc for the 19% of land owned by th government.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-05-10 16:21

      @nazi - No, its not funny or a surprize . There were no black agricultural colleges or training institutions, nor any black commercial agriculture . To feed a population that has grown from 5 million in 1900 to 50 million now requires large scale commercial agriculture , those skills rested with the white population. Its not judgement but simply reality , also its not to say that black farmers are non-existant or shouldn't be there or whatever but a matter of feeding the nation and not just the odd family on a subsistance level. The biggest hurdle is not white v black but maintaining food security at a low price so our nation can eat affordably(think poor) while managing the restitution and distribution challenge.

      zamom - 2011-05-10 16:24

      Please.....So if the current government took your land, and the next government decided it was wrong and made legal means for you children to get it back, that would be wrong?

      zamom - 2011-05-10 16:25

      @DeonL, dont be daft, Africans did farm before earopean settlers.....

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 16:28

      @apie - even if they were hunters and gatherers, they still used the land around them to do these things. and the unbiased history books tells of "black" not Khoisan tribes that have settled in "Transvaal" pre 1000AD, and that have built stone houses and had the ability to mine iron and copper before the arrival of the Boer, so I suggest you rather go read your history books MJ84 - while there was a lot off open land, there was also a lot of occupied land that was taken one way or another, sometimes by an exchange and other times by fraud and force

      camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:54

      It's really not the point when blacks arrived in SA or who farmed first. There were terrible wrongs done and this country tried to correct them. BUT now it is going beyond that because this govt was incable of properly implementing their own policies! The point about history is really no point at all, because the ANC is going to do whatever they like and they will continue to create more and more lies about anyone other than themselves and about any history other than the one that makes them look good.

      camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:57

      meant to say "incapable'. obviously I'm incapable of spelling when I'm depressed!

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 17:37

      @Camelthief - why are you depressed :( did someone steal your horse? and don't worry about your spelling, I'm incable to care about spelling and grammar as long as I can understand you

      So What? - 2011-05-10 18:49

      @cerveza - have a look at this link http://www.villagelife.co.za/NewFiles/15_hromnik.pdf. Any stone buidlings were apparently not built by the bantu from west and central Africa - and what about the lala people who preceed the bantu entering South Africa?

  • Phil - 2011-05-10 15:16

    hier kom kak

  • Gallows - 2011-05-10 15:17

    Here comes the SA food shortage - even more farms to fall into disrepair and chaos. At some point the government is going to have to realize what an absolute cock-up this idea is.

  • Peg-Leg-Sven - 2011-05-10 15:18

    What is really funny, is the fact that most South African farms use subterranean water for irrigation, something that was not invented by Black Africans, but was brought to South Africa by the stealing White Colonialists.

      Juggernaut - 2011-05-10 15:30

      What is funny about it?

      cerveza - 2011-05-10 15:38

      @Peg - what is really funny is that technology does not give you the right to steal or oppress, it just makes it easier for you to do it. Where you use it for good or bad, it is still your actions that matter more than how you did it. There were good colonialists and bad ones, should they be judged the same, should their offspring? If not, don't make generalising statements

      Le Chevalier - 2011-05-11 06:29

      Hi Sven!! Haven't seen you for a long time mate, hope all is well?

  • Stella - 2011-05-10 15:18

    We will just never win... everything is for the wind.

  • Slapper - 2011-05-10 15:19

    Another Promise from the ANC. They do not have a clue, so it will just get buried again after the elections.

  • MnrFotograaf - 2011-05-10 15:19

    This is nothng more than opening up the taxpayer to huge fraud and theft again. The Concourt should not allow this. If this is allowed now, it will never stop.

  • Victor - 2011-05-10 15:20

    testing?

  • coolwaynie - 2011-05-10 15:21

    Coincidentally the elections are around the corner....

      Jerry - 2011-05-10 16:17

      This is not an electioneering or political issue but it's a human rights issue, it touches on people's dignity, survival & well-being.

      coolwaynie - 2011-05-10 17:12

      Silly me.

  • Jerry - 2011-05-10 15:24

    The issue of land restitution is a very sensitive one and must be handled with care and maturity or else we will find ourselves in the same situation as Zimbabwe,Gaza, West bank and other failed states. South Africans must accept that a lot went terribly wrong in the past i.e most black people were forcefully removed from their land of birth and that they are entitled to a compensation in the interest of justice and national reconciliation. There is no short cut we have to swallow our pride and face this reality or else this land issue will haunt us for many years to come. Let us not avoid this land issue but let's face it together for peace's sake.

      Not_Fooled - 2011-05-10 15:55

      Then tell JUJU to go straight to hell, and let proper politicians handle this....

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 15:58

      No problem, the Gov. must pay these people out or give them unpopulated land, hope the Gov. has budgeted for this? Probably not.

  • umlaut - 2011-05-10 15:25

    Now the Koi San can claim all of SA including Botswana, Namibia and Swaziland and Zim.etc.--- GO KOI GO -- !!!

  • Luckybugger - 2011-05-10 15:36

    99% of the claimants don't even know their date of birth how the he'll do the know were they lived in 1913

  • zulufox - 2011-05-10 15:38

    We want our land...

      Not_Fooled - 2011-05-10 15:58

      So buy some....propertyfinder.co.za

      rasta7109 - 2011-05-10 16:00

      you got it, and look what happened to it.

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 16:00

      The gov. owns a lot of land, they can provide it or pay you out.

      CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-05-10 16:22

      You mean the khoi's land they were displaced by the zulu, who took the land by force, which as we know is thus invalid. ;)

  • Boetman - 2011-05-10 15:38

    THIS WILL ONLY STOP WHEN NO SINGLE WHITE PERSON IS LEFT WITH LAND IN SOUTH AFRICA. MARK MY WORDS. HOW CAN 3 YEARS NOT BE ENOUGH TIME TO LODGE A CLAIM WITH THE GOVERNMENT, FOR SOMETHING THIS PROFOUND? FARMERS WITH LAND CLAIMS AGAINST THEIR PROPERTIES CANNOT SECURE LOANS, CANNOT SELL THE LAND AND ULTIMATELY CANNOT CONTINUE FARMING IT. IS THIS WHAT THE ANC WANTS????

      rasta7109 - 2011-05-10 15:59

      even in those 3 years, the ANC sent their agents around the country to file fictitious claims. The initial period was the time for legitimate claims to be lodged. This second period is going to be the opportunity for the thieves to lodge their fictitious claims. I suspect the majority of claims are going to be fraudulent this time. And it is going to cost billions to defend these false claims. I think this is the time that an NPO be registered to support landowners financially to defend the upcoming fraudulent land claims.

      apie - 2011-05-10 16:21

      @boetman, oh yes that is what the anc wants. Thy will not be happy until there are no whites in this country. They do not realise that there are many sinsible people from overseas that have promised to help us.

  • RobertKay - 2011-05-10 15:41

    And so it never ends! Everytime a deadline passes through gumment's inefficiency, a new deadline is set. Ad infinitum.

  • Other Justin - 2011-05-10 15:43

    More desperate electioneering by the cANCer. When in doubt NAIL THE WHITE MAN, this is official cANCer policy, the non-racial party! LOL!

  • Not_Fooled - 2011-05-10 15:45

    I have an idea! How about all the whites hold their breath and hope like hell it doesnt happen. Fat chance-There's only so many farms. Wait till they come knocking closer to home.

  • DeonL - 2011-05-10 15:48

    This does not mean our property will be taken but they could chose on money or other land as compenasation.

  • Yolande - 2011-05-10 15:49

    Because they have no written history, no one really knows what the hell happened in Africa. People who originally lived in South Africa, are very light skinned (Boesmans, Khoi San), their skin is almost yellow. I read somewhere that the other tribes (Zulu's, Xhosa's etc) immigrated to the South of Africa somewhere in 1200. So South Africa really doesn't belong to any of us. It belongs to a group of people much different from us. People who pray for the animal they eat, not hang it's head against their walls.

  • cromagnon - 2011-05-10 15:54

    He says :"This was unfair because a lot of land was dispossessed even before 1913" Will we compensate the black people who was chased of their land by Shaka during the mfecane??

  • PANNEVIS - 2011-05-10 15:55

    The time has come.

  • psydomx - 2011-05-10 15:57

    Should the Canadians give the land back to the 1st nations, should the Australians compensate the aboriginal peoples for the land taken, should the new zealanders return maori land. Once the land has been returned to the bantu tribes, should they compensate the san and khoi tribes for the land they took????? Where does the busk stop? Franky....i conquered nation must live with the loss of its land, this is global history.

      Not_Fooled - 2011-05-10 16:19

      @YOURNIGHTMARE ..........

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 16:28

      Tshepo go home.

      rsr - 2011-05-10 16:41

      There is no chance the stonger Zulu tribes would ever have given back land or money to the weaker conqured tribes or the pre dated Khoi or even more pre dated SAN people. The Zulu way is a way of power.

      Mandla - 2011-05-10 19:19

      nightmare, you even scare me. you are acting like a complete baboon. one who doesn't reason & can only argue with a panga. you should rather just panga your own throat

  • Pat - 2011-05-10 15:57

    it's just another anc thing

  • Smindlo - 2011-05-10 15:58

    good move, I have an outstanding claim that I need resolved.

  • Stugga - 2011-05-10 15:59

    The ANC never seizes to amaze me, and the sad thing is all its followers believe these idiots, they con people to vote for them cause they want the votes then after the voting the ANC reverts to doint jake squat!!

  • camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:00

    I bought my farm 6 years ago after carefully checking that there was no claim with Land Affairs. I invested money and employed people where previously they were unemployed. My farm is productive and provides tax to the government. Now they change the rules of the game to win votes and I will lose, as will my employees. Logically, I will not invest anymore, nor employ anymore people. I wil do my best to sell my farm quickly, probably at a loss, before it gets so bad that no one will buy. Whatever I get will be invested in another country. I am just a small fry, imagine how many millions of Rands and 1000s of employees will be impacted across the country.

      apie - 2011-05-10 16:25

      Just call for help when the shyte hits the fan. Remember we are dealing with a very cowardly race. Safety in numbers.

      zamom - 2011-05-10 16:29

      @camelthief, if you lost land like that, that would be unfair. I tink we should be attacking how the process is done, not why. People whose ancesors lost land should be compensated, but not at the cost of people who followed the letter of the law, such as yourself...

      DeonL - 2011-05-10 16:30

      The Gov. will pay people (claimants) out or give them other land, nothing else. They can not afford to lose too many taxpayers.

      camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:41

      DeonL the problem is the people want land, not money. Symbolically they want land and they want to see it taken away from white people. The nonsense of this is just not seen. People do not care if they ruin the land or if they live on it very poor with a few mealies and donkeys, but have no work or money. They just want the land from us. Anyone wnat to come and look where I live: the only farmland that has been claimed and is still working is the one where the previous owner stayed on and manages the farm for the new owners. All the others, without a single exception are destroyed, producing nothing, pumps and other stuff broken or stolen...from themselves. It is so sad. I don't care what race runs this country or owns the land, but why do they have to F it up!!!?

  • denman - 2011-05-10 16:04

    Another "promise" before election time...

      camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:12

      I hope it's just that!

  • Roger - 2011-05-10 16:07

    Just the cANCer trying to incite more racism before the election... YAWN....

  • chan chan - 2011-05-10 16:08

    how can a claim be made for farm land .... this would give them the right to claim any of our properties anywhere in south africa .... the ANC is a JOKE and so is any1 who actually thinks this is a good idea. i dont want to leave bt i guess the time is drawing closer .. cant believe the level of racism in the ANC. maybe the DA must cut off the cape and all the white people can move there and the ANC and thier supports can cry while they listen to how we flourish and become a first world country !! o ja and cant forget the electric fences like sa to zim :)

  • camelthief - 2011-05-10 16:10

    Well I suppose that's it then. Some of us predicted, but hoped it wouldn't happen. The ANC really is now doing what has been done north of our borders. They really are showing true colours. They are only democrats until it looks like they might not win so much. They will not stick to any agreements made. They are as bad as those apartheid animals, except they are going to destroy the country for everybody. The ANC is showing they remain a black party and do not really care a sod about non-racialism or freedom for all. That's it I give up, sod them all.

  • apie - 2011-05-10 16:10

    This is the start of the civil war. Get ready guys because the shyte is about to fly. And I know whose that will be.

  • Janigeco - 2011-05-10 16:11

    The motto of the ANC Government: Give him another chance.... You can know for sure, that when the ANC says closing date is A, they will always move and chnage it to Z. If anybody wanted to claim they had the oppertunity, but now it is VOTING time, so promises must be made to keep the parasites happy!

  • truerealist - 2011-05-10 16:13

    I hope that Pravin can find the money to pay for this. There goes the public service increases and further job creation.

  • Not_Fooled - 2011-05-10 16:18

    @ YOURNIGHTMARE. YOUR GAT ON A STICK YOU PRICK.

  • GT - 2011-05-10 16:18

    What is government going to do about fictitious land claims instituted by certain law firms in Joburg. They have teams of people assigned to seek out valuable property in rural areas and come up with all kinds of ideas. We have even seen them trying to claim what was once a swamp, filled with crocodiles, which is now a thriving sugar farm.

  • user_64 - 2011-05-10 16:21

    We should let these CANCERs swim to Robben Island and the ones that make it back may carry on working for us...

  • Kevin - 2011-05-10 16:24

    Anyone who took land in this manner is a crook. Try take my land and I will put mercury in the soil and whites ants in the wood in the house. (No these are not racist ants)They are called white ants because they get the job done

      Staalbal - 2011-05-10 16:39

      Good One I will rather burn my house down than let some bastard steal it

  • unproud Safrican@24.com - 2011-05-10 16:32

    Anything the anc losers can dig up to make themselves look good just before an election. It is all so blatently obvious and the sheep go along believing them. Only in africa!

  • FRpower - 2011-05-10 16:43

    @ YourNightmare,im comming to take your house wanker,oh and your chick want me,she's tired of you and your born dumbness douche bag HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  • FarmerBrown - 2011-05-10 16:44

    @yournightmare..... m8 its funny,you will get your wish, but with the demise of SA.You and others like you should have been born with four arms and no legs.... you need em to beg for food. Try this stat.... 595 farms given to blacks ..... more than 530 failed. You sir, deserve starvation.

  • Fluke - 2011-05-10 16:55

    @paulmandlankosi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_South_Africa A footnote gives the 1904 census figures. Professional medical services and efficient farming enabled the population to increase to the extent it has.

  • Tired - 2011-05-10 17:22

    You got to be kidding me. So what Juju has been talking about is happening. This is just the start. Is the ANC really trying to tell the white farmers/people of this rainbow nation that they don't have a ligitimate place in this country. Trying to scare away any investment that we might have gotten.

  • The Fox 911 - 2011-05-10 17:49

    From what's being said, the Blacks who came from the North (year 1300) stole land from the Khoisan (whom I assume are white) and killed them all. Year 1900 (600 years later) there came Whites (not sure if they are related to the Khoisan) also from the North, stole/repossessed the stolen Khoisan land, spared the Blacks or rather failed to kill them all like the Australians/Americans did. 100 years later, the Blacks regrouped; want the land. Well as far as am concerned, the Whites failed themselves in this regard by being short-sighted, probably land grab rule no1 states: Take the land, kill the owner and live happily ever after (don’t try to make them slaves/cheap labourers, squash them in compounds, keep them un-educated while you enjoying their mineral resources, just kill everything), at least it worked for the Americans, Australians and the Blacks (for a brief moment though, they got rid of the Khoisan). I could be wrong hey, maybe the Khoisan are also Black they simple integrated with the rest of the Blacks.

  • wbs777 - 2011-05-10 17:54

    @Yournightmare: Maybe you should go back to school first and learn to spell properly you illiterate f@&k! Oh sorry, I forgot, you burnt down your school. You make it verey easy for us to hate you.

      Mandla - 2011-05-10 19:20

      Yes @ your , you are a disgrace to your race

      Mandla - 2011-05-10 19:21

      Yes @ your nightmare , you are a disgrace to your rac