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Sanral 'blocked out' toll info - Cosatu

2012-03-14 08:30

Johannesburg - The SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) board is investigating a Cosatu allegation that information about the upgrading of the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project (GFIP) is being withheld, it said on Tuesday.

The board viewed in a serious light claims that Sanral had deliberately blacked out sections of documents about the GFIP, spokesperson Tembakazi Mnyaka said.

Sanral took matters of corporate governance, transparency and compliance with the law seriously, he said.

"It is our duty to seek an appropriate balance between open disclosure and protecting commercially sensitive information of companies who bid for Sanral contracts, and to guide management accordingly."

Sanral's board would urgently investigate the allegations.

Made public

Earlier, Transport Minister Sibusiso Ndebele instructed Sanral's board to make public all information pertaining to the upgrading of the GFIP. "The minister's instruction follows the handing over of documents relating to the GFIP... to Cosatu earlier today... where certain parts of the documents were made illegible," the department said.

"We have instructed the board of Sanral to ensure that all relevant information pertaining to the upgrading of the GFIP Phase 1A is accessible to the public."

Tolling on Gauteng freeways is imminent on 185km of the N1, N3, N12 and R21 around Johannesburg and Tshwane.

In terms of GFIP, these roads and their interchanges had been improved and costs estimated at around R20bn would be recouped through toll charges.

With effect from April 30, motorcycles with e-tags will pay 20 cents a kilometre and those without, 38 cents. Light motor vehicles will pay 30 cents and 58 cents respectively, and non-articulated trucks 75 cents and R1.45.

Articulated trucks with e-tags will pay R1.51 a kilometre, and those without R2.90. Under the new fee system, the cost for motorcycles and light vehicles will be capped at R550 a month.

Comments
  • Laurence - 2012-03-14 08:36

    I for one am not buying a stupid e-tag. Forget the money and the principal, the whole thing stinks to the core and we all need to stand together on this one and engage in public disobedeience.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 08:45

      Yeah - Cosatu and the VF get my vote on this one. To my mind it is basically unconstitutional to enforce certain sections of the population to cough up for National Assets. In reality - how does the average person who commutes come up with an extra R550 (After Tax) money every month??? If your marginal tax rate is 40%, it means in reality that R917 of your salary will go to tolls. Then there wil be the 'knock-on effect' where all consumers will be further hit by large price increases for commodities and services. And the worst of all for example - my wife travels from Pta to Fourways. The Gautrain is not an option - to travel from home to the nearest station alone is 25km of heavy traffic (about 40 -50 mins in the car, just to get to a station!!). And there is absolutely no viable alternative rtoads to get to Fourways. I consider the toll roads nothing short of EXTORTION!!! if the Govt. tackled corruption effectively, none of this would be neccessary. One day, One Day (sooner, rather than later) the Govt. is going to wake up, and find that it has killed the Golden Goose. Viva Vavi, viva

      procold2 - 2012-03-14 09:00

      alan extorsion it may be but since the march the trafic from midrand to alberton is not flowing as well as it was, personaly i think saral have deliberatly had lane closures to show the public where the power lies and i think if we kick against this thing they will just close lanes and everybody will lose, anyway i dont like it and also fail to see why we must pay three times for the same thing but seems its going to be reality.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:07

      You create your own reality. By your same argument, it only takes a few vehicles to crawl along, or 'break down' on a highway to bring it to a standstill. E-toll paying commuters will get very fed up if they are paying to use clogged toll roads, leading to more pressure on the Govt. to act fairly. I believe that Cosatu has the power to win this one, in spite of all the 'hot air' blah blah being blown by the Govt. If the Govt. acted fairly, we would have "Law Compliance" instead of "aw Enforcement". If enough people stand together on this ne, we will all be inconvenienced for a while, but will win inthe long term. Enough is Enough!!!

      Antonino - 2012-03-14 09:25

      I agree with you. I hate being blackmailed and forced into something! What happens next year? After they lured us with a R550 cap to register for e-tag they push up the fees to the R1800 that it originally was?

      John - 2012-03-14 09:29

      Alan - March 14, 2012 at 08:45 Cannot agree more! If we had any positive out of this debacle, we would have viewed it in a different light. Fact is, these idiots are stealing us dry and we are now ordered to pay for roads for the third time through normal taxation, levies and now toll. If my local supermarket told me to pay trice for any item, I'll laugh in their stupid faces but here we are expected to fall in with the program! I am not affected (yet) with this stupidity but we need to make these idiots understand that enough is enough! Let the government vehicles that bought e-tags pay for the roads as they are the selfsame idiots stealing our taxes! Chops deluxe!

      Carlos - 2012-03-14 10:18

      Procold2, have you caved in to their threats? Please do not. They are not my masters and they must show me evidence where I agreed to this e-tolling agreement. Please try and collect any fees from me!!!!

      Johnathon - 2012-03-14 11:38

      Do I possibly smell an arms deal and greased palms. The potential profit to Govt, foreign contractors, technicians and managers, makes arms deal miniscule These tolls will be with us forever. Smoke and fire go together. All Gautengers, realise that the introduction of tolls, in my opinion, hangs on how many e-tags they can sell. Cannot believe anyone would be so stupid to give Sanral full access to debit your Credit Card, Current account. Wait till you get mistakenly billed R 15 000. Who you going to run to, and as Sanral has your money, they could not care a s**t about your complaint Hey, R 15 000 much better than a measly R 550. Sanral must have placed their massive toll management structure already in place, as the threatened introduction of tolls has been going on for zillions of months. With all this staff sitting around ( Admin of system will cost motorist 40c in every R1.) Imagine how they hurting already. Massive expenses - no income. They desperately need e-tags which guarantee money flow in. - Gautengers throw toll invoices in dustbin as Civil Disobedience - Poor Sanral - No secured income through e-tags - Expenses larger than income – Boof. Let them pay for roads with 25% govt levy on all fuel sold in SA. Previous Govt built best road infrastructure in Africa with this money. Excess, wasteful, luxury, corrupt, illegal, financial incompetent spending has depleted the pig’s trough. Don’t be spineless and yellow bellied. Crush this Grand theft now.

      Johnathon - 2012-03-14 12:49

      All those shaking and frightened mice and lemmings, who want to rush out and buy e-tags, because they want to get the toll discounts SANRAL are offering, just think again, and very carefully. Even at a reduced rate, you bunch of idiots will be the only ones paying tolls by means of the debit order, you signed every month with SANRAL. POP R750 rand disappears from your account like magic.Those who did not rush in like timid sheep, will definitely not be paying one cent towards any toll fee, and SANRAL has no way of making them, once defaulter numbers rise into the hundreds of millions.

  • Gwayimbo - 2012-03-14 08:36

    E-thief toll has got a lot of skeletons in its closet...what are they hiding?

  • Tallica7 - 2012-03-14 08:38

    Bullied us into this all now they try an cover up the "collection costs" which are making a few BEE tenderpreneurs incredibly rich! Instead of spreading the wealth as BEE is supposed to do! Viva ANC!!!

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:01

      They bought out the BEE compliment for R60Mil as soon as the tender was awarded. The Toll investment Co now owns 85% share. Does that equate to 25c to the overseas investor and 5c to the SANRAL??????

  • Vaal-Donkie - 2012-03-14 08:44

    So, they're investigating themselves?

      Juan - 2012-03-14 09:10

      Yes...thats the South African way ;-)

      Anthony - 2012-03-14 10:33

      please people --do not shop at pick&pay they advertise the toll roads in their and support the toll systen ---boycot prick&pay--checkers is better anyway

      Alan - 2012-03-14 15:18

      eish Anthony .. so what branch of Checkers does your sister own?

      Alan - 2012-03-15 08:12

      @Anthony .. and FYI - Checkers also sells E-tags.

  • Danny - 2012-03-14 08:45

    So the average bike owner, who resorts to a bike in order to save money (and in many cases because it is the ONLY transport he can afford, especially with the way in which the public-transport is useless and dangerous) will have to fork out the equivalent of fuel for 900Km. We already pay for the roads in vehicle registration fees and fuel levies (or so we are told) WTF???

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:03

      Fuk them Danny, my No plate's going to the bin

  • Piet - 2012-03-14 08:47

    DO NOT BUY E_TAGS!!!!! The fat cats are going to make money from us if we do!

  • Daveu - 2012-03-14 08:56

    And, if I buy a motor cycle tag and use that on my car. Will this be picked up? Same applies to trucks using motor car tags

      makesuthink - 2012-03-14 09:23

      Davue all etags are the same they go on the registration number that you register together with the photographs.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 11:07

      How will they police that? Go through every photo to check if its a bike/car? The reason the want to force us to buy the E Tag is because they will not have the capacity to go through every photo, find the owner and send a bill. If JHB Metro cant even provide a monthly bill that's correct, how can these stooges?

  • Marion - 2012-03-14 08:59

    Saw this on tv news last night. Out of 9 files, 3 were mostly blacked out. If they have nothing to hide, why did they do that? COSATU, behind you all the way on this one.

      Kathleen - 2012-03-14 09:43

      well, after the Info bill is passed, this is how all the print media will look, get used to it - it's our future under the ANC!!!

      Dave - 2012-03-14 10:26

      Marion, we also need to implement your suggestion about signs in the cars...after reading your post I laminated an A4 page, stuck it on my back window....it says "Fu@k U e-tags"..... getting lots of attention

      Marion - 2012-03-14 13:16

      @Dave - Love your sign and glad it's getting attention. Maybe others will stop just looking and do the same. :-)))

  • Theo - 2012-03-14 09:03

    Why did halft he posts that appeared here earlier disapeared ? News24 what are you upto ?

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:11

      It's called censorship. There are some things that may not be criticised!

  • Leon - 2012-03-14 09:05

    Let us all black out our numberplates and give the the Finger!!

      makesuthink - 2012-03-14 09:25

      or we can get hold on Mr Ali's registration number and we all put that on our cars so he can pay for all of us

  • Putin the " - 2012-03-14 09:05

    Kiss my a***s, am not buying it!!

  • sheryl.bruwer - 2012-03-14 09:07

    And where must we get an extra R550 per month.... times are so tough... but taxi's go free?????? How does that work!

      Marion - 2012-03-14 09:15

      Is there a discounted rate for pensioners. Due to his age my husband would qualify. Also cannot afford the extra approx. R550 each month.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:17

      It's called "Bowing to pressure!" The Govt. has aready discovered that they are powerless to dictate to the Taxi Industry. Yet there is no fair reason to exclude taxi's etc. from tolling Most road users use the roads to get to their jobs, so why are some discriminated against? And the story of lift clubs and public transport is rubbish.! In reality, most commuters do not have viable options to avoid the toll roads. Remember - it is the workers of the country that keep the economy going. You overtax them at your own peril!! Wake up ANC, and be fair to all people! So in short - the Taxi Assoc. put pressure on the Govt. and they folded. Now, the 'soft targets' need to do the same.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:08

      They capitulated on the Taxi's to try appease CUSATU, yet the taxi's use the roads to generate income. They dont pay tax dont obey the law and cause the most deaths on the roads, using up recovery and medical revenue. CUSATU has a meeting with them this week, and the ANC will tell them to toe the party line.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 10:14

      @Hugh - I think Vavi will tell the ANC to get lost.

      Allan - 2012-03-14 10:39

      I will not buy a tag. I hardly use the highway. How about a little lateral thinking from Government.? Why not give all drivers R100 free for each calender month, then charge as per fee till max. of R550. It would prevent sending out unneccessary accounts for small amounts . In the cse of taxis and buses, they should be only allowed R200 free per calender month then charged. This would be more equitable and fair to all users

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 11:10

      @Allan, I truly hope so. Ive signed every petition going around and am prepared to blockage the hi way with any organization (Except the Fatboy)if it come to that.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 14:25

      blockade, sorry, missed that in the red haze of blind anger.

  • Juan - 2012-03-14 09:09

    Allegation of information being withheld? It’s not allegations, we all saw on the news the three thick black files were blacked out completely. If there is nothing to hide…nothing should be blacked-out, not even the fat salaries and tender processes. This government signed a contract without the knowledge and consent of their citizens, because at the end of the day it’s us that need to pay for it. Perhaps if all this was so transparent from the start, we could have prevented all this. There is also no alternative for people driving to work because our public transport is unreliable and unsafe. If its not strikes its people shooting at Gautrain busses.

  • Brian - 2012-03-14 09:30

    No e-tag for me - they can come and arrest me.

  • Jo - 2012-03-14 09:33

    The public still gets fleezed. Now they say if you don't pay the toll they take your license. It is getting sureal I hope the constitution is going to protect us. I still like to know the owners and shareholders of the Austian company who is getting the money. Who are they?????

      Marion - 2012-03-14 13:23

      That information may actually be available on the web. Anyone know the name of the company?

  • Kraken - 2012-03-14 09:33

    Don't buy an e-tag. Ask everyone you know to boikot this thing. And if you hear of anyone who bought one, punch them(on the shoulder) and tell them to de-register.

  • dstols - 2012-03-14 09:35

    After considerable debate the fact remains that we can complain till we blue in the face. We will have to pay no matter what. So get your budget in order. There are a few items of concern. The first is the road that was built is already in need of repair. More lane closures and the system was introduced to assist traffic flow not reduce it. Do we pay when traffic comes to a standstill because someone has caused an accident, or do the people who caused such a delay get charged for disrupting the traffice flow. Similarly when trucks break down, do the owners get charged for disruption of traffic flow. Just some extra thoughts to get you going.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:44

      I disagree,and do not take the defeatist attitude. No matter how high and mighty the Govt. believe themselves to be ..they will have to bow if put under enough pressure. They are self-serving, and cannot afford to go against the people until they are a proper dictatorship. Question is - are you wiling to stand up to the unfairness of tolling, or are you happy to be part of it?

      Johan - 2012-03-14 09:57

      dstols....F....you.. grow a pair and stand with the rest of the people. It is because of A%%eholes like you that we are in this position

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:12

      Try ride a bike on these so called upgraded roads, its a frikking disaster. The only one that is reasonable is the Jan Smuts Airport to Pretoria. (To the new Saffres that would be OR Tambo Tswane)

      Johnathon - 2012-03-14 12:19

      You are defeated already, and completely intimidated by authority. Our brothers toy toy and strike at the drop of a hat, and always win, even if not the full amount asked. Have you ever considered, if no one ever paid a toll invoice, they could have 15 mil individual defaults. How many times a year does each motorist pass through toll booms. What possible action can they then resort to. Take everyone to court. Deny all motorists license renewal. How much income loss would that represent. Come on DSTOLS, stop being a conformist sissy. Show all of us that you actually have a backbone.

  • Sihle - 2012-03-14 09:35

    I was so shocked when I saw this on the news yesterday....I think if we can all stand together and go on a stay away for a week then they can see how serious the matter is....it's nonsense and digusting they way this thing is handled.What are they hidding?

      Marion - 2012-03-14 13:26

      @Sihle - a week is probably a bit much, but if people apply for leave for a couple of days then it won't even be 'no work no pay' so more people will, hopefully, do it. One day's sick leave (sick due to the toll road system)normally doesn't require a doctor's note unless it's a Monday or a Friday.

  • Stephen - 2012-03-14 09:36

    Here is the thing - the highways actually were pretty good to start with. What actually needed improving was the ALTERNATE routes. Had government spent money on creating more ways to get into JHB, people would use the alternate routes = reduced congestion. I would happily pay highway tolls in that scenario (lower congestion = faster trips, but alternatives exist when not in a hurry) Instead we still have the same traffic congestion because no matter how many "new" lanes you build, the off-ramps still have traffic lights ... The moment you put a traffic light at the end of an offramp that becomes the critical point. Just ask the people who sit in 3km traffic jams at Rivonia off-ramp every morning - 4 lanes going past empty while they sit in one. In other words, I am being asked to pay for nothing - the lanes I used are still the same, it still takes just as long to get from A to B - never mind that the lost time sitting in traffic for the last four years as most of the highway lanes were closed for "roadworks" should be paid back to me..... And of course much of the roadworks on the N12 are still years away from completion ... I think there is definately room for a class action suit here.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:14

      couldn't agree more, the Kiyalami PTA road made into a decent double lane would have sufficed.

      Dave - 2012-03-14 10:39

      100%, the Riviona off ramp is a disaster, we should be getting 5 years credit for all the time / petrol we as motorists wasted all this time on these roads being upgraded

  • Nosiphom - 2012-03-14 09:38

    What SANRAL fails to understand is that as a public entity all their information is governed by the promotion of information act and if we want to review the tender information, they cannot tell us of something that is commercially sensitive. Any information submitted by any company tendering should only be limited to the tender, hence anything commercial has to do with the upgrade and should be made public.

  • Allan - 2012-03-14 09:40

    WOW, dictatorship here we come, another banana state. We will We demand !yet we bow to the taxi industry. WTF is this a democratic society or have I been blind. South Africa with all it's beauty and wonderful people , been misled by a so called democratic government. I heard that they will not renew your car licence if you have not paid toll, G R E A T!

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:45

      yeah - another admin nightmare in the making for the Govt.

  • Nosiphom - 2012-03-14 09:41

    The worst part of it all, the people who do not even pay registration fees in this country because their cars are not registered here, but in Zim, Botswana, Swaziland, even the UK are not expected to pay because their cars are not in E-natis!They should actually be paying 4 times as much!

      Alan - 2012-03-14 09:50

      nobody should be paying.

  • sean.nijenhuis - 2012-03-14 09:41

    Don't register for an e-tag!!!!!!

  • Bongani - 2012-03-14 09:43

    Only if we all had back bone, this would stop, but unfortunately most people are just computer commentators who will never take action. The recent COSATU strike which was only supported by the few has shown government has won this battle.

      Vic - 2012-03-14 10:02

      Bongani, the reason the strike was only supported by a few, was because it was watered down with the inclusion of Labour Broking. That's why I never took part.Needs to be a full-blooded strike.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:18

      Bongani, I was a staunch advocate for the strike and had all intention to go, but the inclusion of that fatboy at the last minute made me turn around. I wont stand on the same platform at that turd.

      Stephen - 2012-03-14 15:14

      The fact is that government is only interested in the money portion of this. No amount of walking through town with placards will change that. Not buying e-tags and being consumers who make the system un-manageable has a far bigger impact. Simply put, much like when taxi drivers blocked roads when the fuel price became an issue, we as a society need to stand together and simply refuse to play ball.

  • Erich - 2012-03-14 09:48

    Last night on E-TV news it was showed how reams of paper (print out) were handed to Vavi of Cosatu by Sanral and of which many pages were blacked out. I am sure this is not what the Minister intended when he instructed Sanral to furnish Cosatu with the relevent info. The more I observe the actions of Sanral, the more suspicious I get. Why did they not follow a transparent work procedure from the outset and took the taxpayer with them all the way. Things like unauthorised deductions that were made from clients' bank accounts, the 20% adsministration fee and the many recalculations made since the initial toll fee was announced do not exactly make Sanral credible.

      Jo - 2012-03-14 09:53

      Erich we must find the shareholders of the Austrian company in Austria they get all the money we are going to pay. Who are they and how did they get involved in this deal?

      Pieter - 2012-03-14 10:11

      For your information - It's 30+% admin cost. Any company having to calculate that into their fee, won't survive in the real world. But then, this isn't the real world. This is SANRAL

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 10:21

      and one the R20bil is payed? Do they remove the Tolls? I think not, the Austrian 85% share holder will continue taking his 25c to the 30c you pay to use our public roads.

  • Russell - 2012-03-14 09:51

    We are going to pay much much more than 30cents a km, I did some costing using the SANRAl web site and I found the following, If I get on the N12 at Klipriver and off at Camaro, a distance of 3 km's, the trip should cost me a total of 90c (30cents a km as advertised by SANRAL), I went onto the SANRAL website and used their trip calculator and according to them this same trip will cost R6.00 without a etol tag and R2.24 with a tag, this means the cost per km is either R2.00km or 75cents km yet they tell us that the cost has been reduced to 30cents, they are lying to us !!!

  • Hank - 2012-03-14 09:52

    Sanral are a bunch of "THUGS". Their website slogan is "Creating Wealth through Infrastructure" - This slogan alone explains the need to push for E-Tolling. As the honest taxpayers of this country we need to be given options. There is no clarity on what will happen if my no. plate is cloned - who is accountable, etc, etc. May the thugs of SANRAL all fall over and die painfully slow deaths like the deaths they are about to cause in ZA due to no jobs, etc.

  • Vic - 2012-03-14 09:56

    A bit of wishful thinking on my part; if only Cosatu would break away from the ANC and either form a new party, or join others, vote current idiots out of power, and then SCRAP E Tolling. Just a pleasant thought!

      Alan - 2012-03-14 10:00

      Cosatu is heading that way. Vavi is taking zero BS from the Govt, and is sticking to his guns. As we have seen before - the Govt. has very little power that they can wirld against Cosatu, and now the tripartite setup is in tatters. Viva Vavi

  • Stephan - 2012-03-14 10:02

    Hmmm. I bet there is one phrase that appears in the tender contracts multiple times that has been blacked out. Say it with me, people: "Chancellor House".

  • Daveu - 2012-03-14 10:03

    @makesuthink - I have a motorcycle and all i do is then register the bike and use that tag on my car.

      Johan - 2012-03-14 10:20

      And I want to say the same to you as to dstols at the top....grow a pair and stand with the people

  • Nosiphom - 2012-03-14 10:04

    30 billion was stolen last year it could have paid for the roads, and a few more!

      Alan - 2012-03-14 10:10

      Exactly! Corruption reigns supreme, and then the honest taxpayers have to fork out again. Enough already!!!

  • tom.vorster - 2012-03-14 10:11

    What is this cr@p, Nazeem Ali (a member of the SANRAL board) handed Vavi the blacked out documents in front of the TV cameras. It was clear for everyone to see, why the sudden surprise that requires investigation - these people have lots to hide and have just been caught out thinking that can catch the nation out.

  • Paul - 2012-03-14 10:16

    In The words of Nelson " It was a long walk to freedom "... but now we are being taken for a ride. No... I will not pay.

  • Hendrik - 2012-03-14 10:20

    Maybe I am missing the point but there appears to be a "missing link" in this whole scheme. It is one thing to "insist" that regular users should buy and fit an e-tag. It is one thing to threaten, illegally, to cancell driver's licenses for those that do not comply. It is one thing to threaten regular users that they can not renew car license if outstanding toll fees. BUT what provision is made for "Farmer Brown", who might on rare occasions NEED to travel on one of these roads. He aint gonna have an e-tag! What about a family on holiday from Springbok or some other remote part of the country who makes the fatal mistake to travel on one of these roads on the way to their holiday destination? Will Farmer Brown and the holiday family now also become criminals like the rest of us that are stuck living in this hell hole called Gauteng? I can not recall ever having heard or read anything that refers to such "occasional" trespassers?

      Alan - 2012-03-14 15:20

      Nobody has to buy an e-tag. They are threatening if you dont pay your account.

  • J.p. - 2012-03-14 10:23

    Stop complaining about the blacked-out pages. They used a BBBEE printer -very little space left for white...

  • Peter - 2012-03-14 10:25

    The best part is yet to come ... when they enact the proposed legislation that says your licence renewal cannot be processed until you have paid all outstanding traffic fines AND outstanding-toll fees. So, they won't come and arrest you, they will change it from a criminal process to an administrative process. Any bets ? Oh, and by the way, Gordhan did not give them R5bn in the budget ... the taxpayers did ...

      Dave - 2012-03-14 10:32

      Thats what they are threatening, but they need to pass legislation to do this, the DA has already said it wont allow Aarto to be amendedin any mannor for this, Aarto has now also been delayed in offical roll out, so right now it looks pretty good

  • Claudette - 2012-03-14 10:28

    I just have one burning question, lets say we all get e-tags and pay the silly tolls, what will happen once the debt is settled? Will they then just come up with another excuse why we should continue to pay it?

      Alan - 2012-03-14 14:53

      eish - repairing the potholes will be next....

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-14 10:29

    @Vavi. I saw what you received in tv last night and I suggest the following. You should send them a cartridge of black ink with a note saying " yours should be finish by now". Say "thanks for f@kol"(sorry guys, I do not like to use strong words, but now its needed) I saw you were more a gentleman than I would h'v been. To me it was an insult. If they do not want you to have the information they should have said that they will block out nearly all and it is not worth to print, but to still print a file with black pages and hand it over is like insulting you with hope that you will make your name, publicly, @ss. May be I misunderstood what has happened, but that was the impression that I and all that was watching with me got.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 11:18

      True, it was really an F you. You get what we choose to give you. Vavi, screw them to the wall.

  • t.u.rosenberg - 2012-03-14 10:30

    "The board viewed in a serious light claims that Sanral had deliberately blacked out sections of documents about the GFIP", spokesperson Tembakazi Mnyaka said. This is the most ridiculous statement! They DID do it. It was recorded and broadcast by E News. Video proof that it was done. No need to 'investigate'. I'm tired of this rubbish. I pay income tax, road tax and vehicle tax. Enough dammit! I point blank refuse to pay to drive on a main route in the city in which I live. Mismanagement and misappropriation has led us to this point and I for one am not bailing anyone out!

      Marion - 2012-03-14 13:32

      Don't forget about VAT...

  • Andre - 2012-03-14 10:39

    Time for a legal process to stop this nonsens. The impact on the economy and SAfricans is miss understood by those in power.

  • Ina - 2012-03-14 10:40

    Well perhaps if they can exempt taxi drivers and buses, they can also extend it to pensioners. Where are we going to get the money from to pay for this, we are already overextended having to pay more for petrol, licenses, food, medical aids, etc. And our pensions stay the same. What this means to me is that I can not afford to go and visit my children any more, I won't be able to afford it, and that was one of the few highlights and pleasures left.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 14:55

      Nobody should pay, but yes - pensioners get a raw deal with everything!

  • mike.reid6 - 2012-03-14 10:41

    heard a report this morning re tolls - it seems we now have a choice! tolls or new fuel levy. either way we lose. prediction for the future - april tools kick in, august increase in fuel levy- what you think

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 11:21

      they have already added an increase in the budget to make up for the R5bil Gordon put in. The whole country is now subsidising this damn monster.

      Johnathon - 2012-03-14 12:28

      A small increase in fuel levy will fortunately be spread amongst all road users, taxis included. More fair system. Also no 40% admin costs going into Austrian pockets, rather than upgrading SA’s road system,.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 14:57

      yeah - but to pay via a fuel levy is more fair - the more you use National roads, the more you pay, instead of just some demograp[hic areas being disadvantaged.

  • Scatmanza - 2012-03-14 10:41

    The cost per km quoted is a joke. The gantries are between on and off ramps, so the cost per gantry will be from one gantry to the next. Ifyou ride a bike from Beyers Naude to William Nichol, the distance is 11km and the cost should be R3.30. However from the Gantry before Beyers Naude to the Gantry after William Nichol the distance is 18km so we can expect the charge to be R5.40. That is 30% higher. So much for User Pays, more like User gets ripped off.

  • ndumiso.vilakazo - 2012-03-14 10:45

    this is not right it must stop, who is this goverment listenig to, Sanral or the people who put the in to power?Now i'm thinking of Desmond Tutu's words"We will pray for the down fall of the ANC"

      Jo - 2012-03-14 12:32

      Ndumiso the government are the people they just forget who to listen to.

  • Riaan Werner Van Wyk - 2012-03-14 11:02

    How will they pick up if you are driving without an e-tag? Is this not just a made up threat?

      Stephan - 2012-03-14 11:23

      Riaan, didn't you hear? There is a special elite patrol unit with advanced scanning technology that was commissioned by SANRAL last year to enforce e-toll reg and payments. Of course, they LIED about that as well and at the time they said the unit was commissioned to nail road law offenders. Heard it on 702. More lies and deceit. So why is government backing SANRAL so hard, resorting to bullying tactics and ignoring "their people" and their Alliance partner? 2+2 = they are scoring from this deal BIG TIME.

      Hugh - 2012-03-14 11:26

      They cant pick it up, and there is no law pending to get the e-tag. Its for their convenience. They dont want to employ 1000 staff to process the invoicing, the tag eliminates that as its automated. Re the system, it's suppose to have No plate recognition and supposedly links it to your details. As far as I'm aware, that type of software is iffy at best, dependant on lighting reflections etc. does any techie know about this stuff?

      Riaan Werner Van Wyk - 2012-03-14 12:00

      Stephan l heard it too on 702 but that is only still a rumour. My logic tells me there's no way they can pick it if you drive without a tag, placing cameras at the toll points won't work. Any tech fundi that can help us out?

      Riaan Werner Van Wyk - 2012-03-14 12:00

      Stephan l heard it too on 702 but that is only still a rumour. My logic tells me there's no way they can pick it if you drive without a tag, placing cameras at the toll points won't work. Any tech fundi that can help us out?

  • Qiniseka - 2012-03-14 11:05

    To hell with sanral, don't register for e-tag. Its our right to know all about what we will be paying for...

      SarelJBotha - 2012-03-14 20:19

      it is unlawful for anyone to demand money for a service that is unwanted or if no contract exists.

  • Qiniseka - 2012-03-14 11:07

    To hell with Sanral, we must all don't register for e-tag. We have a right to know everything about what we are paying for... Viva Vavi viva...

  • Dianne - 2012-03-14 11:11

    Pay up or they will not renew our licenses!! What a bloody crop of sh*t. I don't even travel on any of these highways, why the hell should I be forced to buy an e-tag. What about grannies who only drive to the supermarket or the hairdresser to get their purple rinse and never drive on a highway. SA Goverment - you are ALL rotten thieves!!!!

      Alan - 2012-03-14 15:00

      They are not forcing anybody to have an E-Tag, but they are making Hot Air threats about licences if your Sanral account is not paid.

  • J.A.Rademan - 2012-03-14 11:19

    To the minister, how about some transparency about what is done with the taxes levied on vehicles and fuel. How much is actually spent on infrastructure improvements. I estimate less than 40% of SA citizens have cars. I also would like to know how much of the national budget is covered by taxes on vehicles and fuel. Poor SANRAL is now the scapecoat, don't blame it on SANRAL, YOU should be paying SANRAL with the money you received for road improvements etc., but which is misappropriated.

  • kerrimg - 2012-03-14 11:24

    i am hearing on the news if you DONT get the e-tag you car licence when is up for renewal they wont issue it to you until get e-tag. isnt this blackmail. what happens to the ppl who dont use highways like my parents. i live in benoni and work in Isando but i dont need to take the highway at all

      Dave - 2012-03-14 11:42

      There is a difference between the e-tag debate and not paying your accounts if you dont have a tag, your concerns would only be correct, well not yet anyway if your parents didnt pay, then come the threats. The etag is being forced because EVERYONE knows, Sanral, the government, everyone, that the system will collapse in to chaos if the tags are not purchased. At present there is no legislation on the books that permits the impounding, or non renwal of licenses, this will take months to get drafted, and then will come the court action

      Jo - 2012-03-14 12:34

      Now that is against the constitution.

      Barry - 2012-03-14 12:59

      As it stands the e-toll system cannot function as insufficient tags have been sold. SANRAL are unable from an infrastructure standpoint issue accounts, they do not employ enough envolope lickers and the postal service could not cope. Simply do not purchase the e-tag. By the time SANRAL figure out what to do next the investigations will have started, corruption will be found and the whole stinking issue will collapse, we can sit back and watch the court cases start.

      Alan - 2012-03-14 15:06

      I like your thinking Barry!