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Sanral set for more legal battles

2012-04-17 17:42

Johannesburg - Afrikaner lobby group AfriForum instructed its lawyers on Tuesday to urgently prepare court papers in a bid to stop e-tolling.

"The public is asked to wait for the outcome of the proposed legal action of AfriForum and other groups, before deciding whether to register for e-tolls at all," said CEO Kallie Kriel said.

He said the organisation was seeking to oppose the decision of the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) to levy a tariff of R1.75/km on road users who were not registered for e-toll.

Referring to the Competition Act, Kriel said it clearly stipulated in Article 8(a) that no dominant company was allowed to abuse its position of dominance in order to levy excessive tariffs.

As a result, he said vehicles used for the organisation's activities would not be registered on the system.

"If enough motorists do not register in protest against the system, it will force Sanral to reconsider e-toll as a non-cost effective collection mechanism," said Kriel.

Comments
  • George - 2012-04-17 17:48

    That's exactly what is happening..not enough motorists registering. Where were you till now Afriforum?? Who would have guessed that e-tolling would become the most significant event in our young democracy? DO NOT REGISTER. NO-TOLL, NO PAY FOR WHAT IS YOURS ALREADY.

      Ilsa - 2012-04-17 17:55

      I just want to ask one questions: My parents and in laws stays in Cape town/ west coast. Sometimes they drive up to visit me and my husband. The must travel on the N1. they are not registered for e- toll. Who cover there fees because for twice/ trice a year they come up to visit.

      George - 2012-04-17 18:03

      Your parents and in laws may travel freely. Like me they have already paid for the roads SCAMRAL is now managing (sorry mis-managing). The constitution guarantees freedom of movement. The courts are bound to come to this conclusion shortly.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-04-17 18:19

      What a unbelievable mess, and the ones responsible, all earning mega bucks ! Mind bogging !!!!

      Assegai - 2012-04-17 18:19

      I got my "new" number plates this morning. I took a picture and it is up on my Facebook page. Go look!

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-17 18:25

      Hi G. If you care to be updated, google and register on their fb or web. aA Afforum have been advocating their position on this matter for months now. And no, we will not be getting those Scamral-tags until all legal aveneus have been exausted

      Dave - 2012-04-17 18:32

      Ilsa, I see no one has responded to your question....your parents will be treated like anyone else, if they dont have an e-tag, they will be traced using their licence number through Aarto, and sent an invoice through the post, payable within 7 days...and oh, at R1.75 per km...

      billidp - 2012-04-17 18:38

      @ Assegaai - CLASSIC number plate - love it!! ;-))

      IcemanGP - 2012-04-17 18:46

      Love your Number Plate @Assegai, now go and park your car right in front of SCAMRAL Offices.

      Mhlonso - 2012-04-17 18:48

      I am a black afrikaner now. Where would we be without afriforum? Viva afri-forum ViVA!!. I would like to see all these orginazation fighting on our behalf starting a way of collecting funds so we can show our support. Viva Afri-forum!

      Dave - 2012-04-17 18:54

      I think we are rapidly learning that politics can make strange bedfellows...who cares as long as we get the job done, so roll up anyone who can take these dirt bags to court. We can kiss and say goodbye the morning after...

      Piet - 2012-04-17 18:58

      We should all put up plates like that!

      Tuco - 2012-04-17 19:21

      And to the TRAITORS who have bought eTags, I hope you cowards burn and Sanral robs you blind. Yes I'm talking about those of you who are silently registering and then pretending to shout with the rest of us. I know coz one of those mobile trucks was at my work place and there was about 15 to 20 traitors registering for the eTags. In any movement there will always be sell outs I suppose. freaking weasels.

      Zing - 2012-04-17 21:28

      They did the right thing by waiting till the last minute. This causes the biggest disturbance just as SANRAL want to launch! The DA and FF+ and AA and AfriForum are all planning to take SANRAL to court in the near future. This will keep them busy a few years and further delay the launch. Once SANRAL start sending out invoices, and people refuse to pay, a few smart lawyers will step forward and handle the case on behalf of the people. We each donate a R100 and get R10mill worth of law thrown at SANRAL. I can't wait! DON'T BUY AN E-TAG!

  • Arthur - 2012-04-17 17:49

    I love it! Suck on that SANRAL you bunch of sharks.

      CharlesDumbwin - 2012-04-17 20:52

      It will only work if ALL of us don't register. Let's collapse the whole system people. We're all together here !!!

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-17 17:49

    Let the battles commence!!

  • Marion - 2012-04-17 17:49

    Keep them tied up in so many court cases that they don't have time to think up their next nefarious scheme to extort money from road users.

      Hadebe - 2012-04-17 18:03

      Well said.

  • Cape - 2012-04-17 17:56

    They cannot fight the masses.

      Dave - 2012-04-17 19:56

      yes they will

  • sharon.cambier - 2012-04-17 18:10

    SANRALS E-tag system illegal....http://t.co/h99w1U3h(via@news24mobile)....check it out guys and I would love to know why news 24 doesnt print this on the normal site as well.

      hein.huyser - 2012-04-17 18:21

      What? And be seen as bringing some truth on the airwaves? Rarely have they done so.

      Alan - 2012-04-17 19:21

      BECAUSE SANRAL PAYS THEM NOT TOO ?

  • Brad.Kopping - 2012-04-17 18:15

    xD SANRAL is so pathetic

  • Rodney - 2012-04-17 18:19

    We have already paid for these roads, and as I see it we must now pay a even heavier price because they added a lane, Bullsh@t, what about all the inconvenience and Sh@t We had while they were working on these roads for the past 5 years, they actually need to reimburse us for all the traffic jams and extra hours we spend sitting on these roads while there friends were making money on these contracts. If We have to we can ride on the old lanes and leave the new lane for the ministers with there blue lights and for the taxis let them pay as I WONT and hope NOBODY DOES.

      KenB - 2012-04-17 20:51

      Rodney you are right. We have paid for most things, but the ANC thieves always need more. Stick to your guns guys. This system cannot function without the masses buying e-tags. For once let us all stick together and shove up the bastards arses

      Marc - 2012-04-18 08:29

      Correct, their service in terms of maintaining the roads is appalling, roads are in poor condition, multiple lanes are closed for 'construction' when in fact they work on a small stretch in a single lane. They don't care about countless hours of inconvenience to the road user whose money they steal. Ridiculous

  • FabulousFranci - 2012-04-17 18:19

    yeah to hell with sanral

  • Piet - 2012-04-17 18:25

    Go Sanral Go...Go to hell.....

  • daniel.w.gie - 2012-04-17 18:28

    the Austrians are making more than 30 % of their total profit from their deal in South Africa , despite have deals in other parts of the world ......Who was in on this scam .? list the deal makers , arms deal , road deal , just goes on

      Clive - 2012-04-17 18:38

      You've hit the nail on the head Daniel. Exactly the same crowd. Phukem!

  • webster.malatji - 2012-04-17 18:34

    We as south africans have allowed too many schemes just like this one to succeed. I think its gotten to a point where government just feels free to help themselves to the public's money. This need to stop. We need to wake up and realize that we got a lot of power over a lot of dumb situations we are placed in. After all we are being lead by a majority of uneducated people being given doctrates like its sweets.

  • Julio - 2012-04-17 18:35

    I will not register for e-tolling. This smacks of another innefficient collection system that will only benefit a couple of politically well connected morons. If most of the road users donnot register, their scheme will eventually fail. Don't let them bully us into submission.

  • Piet - 2012-04-17 18:40

    Etag = Dompass. And it seems with the current gate prices it is way more than 30 cents per km. Go and get screwed Sanral!

      Rodney - 2012-04-17 19:28

      Dompass with your banking details.....NO to Sanral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Piet - 2012-04-17 19:38

      Damn yes Rodney. So sorry Etag = ATM card for Sanral

  • Anakin - 2012-04-17 18:41

    SANRAL painted themselves into a corner by assuming that we (the motorists) were just going to meekly accept the e-tolls. If a high enough percentage of users do NOT register, then they are confronted with a billing nightmare from which they won't be able to escape as the system was not designed for such high volumes for "alternate users" and will immediately be overloaded with invoicing alone. It's NOT our fault that the Public Investment Corporation - an investment manager for state institutions bought R17 billion in SANRAL bonds with the civil servants' pension funds.So not ONLY will they have to send out huge volumes of invoices but they will have to set up a dedicated CALL-CENTER for all the "alternate" invoicing queries.And what happens if no-one pays the invoices? Does it become a "traffic offense"? There is no legal ground by which they can do this.So they will have to send their e-toll invoices by REGISTERED MAIL with colour photos on the e-toll invoice of where and when the user's vehicle passed under a gantry.And if users then still don't pay? The govt.gazette is snugly silent about HOW TO INVOICE all the "alternate users".WHY did SANRAL go down this road in the FIRST place and WHO benefits by having gantries and e-tags? A fuel-levy is infinitely easier to manage, but then all these buddy-buddy admin contract agreements become null and void.E-Toll vs. Petrol Levy: http://www.outa.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Calculations-on-E-Tolling-vs-Fuel-Levy-Model-3.pdf

      George - 2012-04-17 18:52

      Its a corrupt, racketeering organization with much support from government who have not gone untainted by corruption. The South African people won't stand for it. Vavi is MIA, I guess that's how deep it can go. Viva, the SA people, Viva. We have no one to depend on but each other and we have a keen sense of what is right and what is not. DO NOT REGISTER. NO E-TOLL NO PAY FOR WHAT IS ALREADY YOURS.

      Piet - 2012-04-17 19:02

      I agree, they thought that we are all going to abide by these new draconian laws, some other that might have convinced them was the gun, laws labour laws etc... We meekly went and did what they asked from us. But not this time. I have paid enough tax over to you!

      KenB - 2012-04-17 20:52

      Well said you have summed it up

  • Piet - 2012-04-17 18:43

    If I look at the Sanral calculator, at 30cents per km I only have to pay R6 rand btween rivonia and 14th ave. The Sanral amount 11.60 for this route! WTF bunch of Liaaaaarssssss!!!!!

  • Gerda - 2012-04-17 18:56

    Sadly many people will fall for this and register.Sanral can wait a loooooooooong time before they will get my details.

  • Msika - 2012-04-17 18:57

    Good initiative by Afriforum, fully behind them. Doubt if this guys can pull it off though.

  • Gerda - 2012-04-17 19:01

    What about vehicles from neighbouring countries as well as all the unlicenced vehicles using the roads whom are not tracable?

  • Alan - 2012-04-17 19:17

    KEEP ON BOYCOTTING THE E-TOLL, WE WILL HAVE THE VICTORY !!!!!!

  • Marcello - 2012-04-17 19:24

    Eish..

  • kagen101 - 2012-04-17 19:25

    This cry that a fuel Levi of R1.50 above the current is needed to replace the tolls is fine by me. Currently my car get 18km/l on the highway that means I will have to pay 18*0.3=R5.40 per liter of fuel I drive out on this toll highway. \r\nI will much rather take the R1.50 per liter knock than the R5.40!!!!!\r\nUse the fuel levi it has a cheaper net effect on the consumer than tolling!\r\nI pay hundreds of thousands of rands in taxes already now you are just beginning to get rediculous!

      Gemma-Leigh - 2012-04-17 19:47

      Why pay anything though? We already pay tax on out petrol, tax on our food, tax on our provident/pension funds, tax on our savings, tax on all goods and consumables, tax on services rendered, tax on medical aid (which I've been made to understand will soon no longer offer a rebate), tax (levies) on our property and of course tax on all income. Then we pay to have our vehicles on the road, for various licenses etc...exactly where do we as the tax payer draw the line? Coz I've just about reached my limit.

  • Warren - 2012-04-17 19:26

    This is just what the anti toll drive needs,business and political parties driving it to court to stop them,what bothers me is who pays Sanrails legal bills,is it from govt (yet more taxpayer money) or will that tab simply be included in the toll road costs at a later stage?

  • Piet - 2012-04-17 19:28

    Which names do you recognize:- 1) Robert Mugabe 2) Julius Malema 3) Jacob Zuma 4) Guiseppe Riccardi 5) Schabir Shaik 6) Winnie Mandela 7) Nazir Ali. Did you battle with number 4? Typical - You know all the idiots, cheats, liars, thieves - but you don't know who the Pope is!!!

      Msika - 2012-04-17 19:36

      Lol! Dats a good one Piet.

      Alan - 2012-04-18 08:23

      @Mattwerk - Adolf?

  • Gemma-Leigh - 2012-04-17 19:38

    Come on guys...we aren't children in primary school anymore. Let's all put these bullies in their place!! Boycott the etag system....you're not breaking the law, you're simply fighting for your rights

  • chere.nienaber - 2012-04-17 20:04

    This R1.75 rate for users not registered for an e-tag is pure manipulation to get all users registered just so they can do what they want once they have your info. Since they've changed it any way they want already, I don't want to know what they'll do once we're registered. Not to mention the rate this time next year! AND we're already paying for the tolls through all other deductions you thiefs!

  • Chien-Teng - 2012-04-17 20:29

    Nasir Alli said on John Robbie's show on 702 this morning, "....there is not reason why law abiding citizens trying to subsidize the law breakers of this country...", when referring to if we should get an e-Tag now even when there are mounting court challenges against SANRAL. Now firstly, Mr Alli, you just keep on dodging questions and the subsequent interview on Redi Thlabi's show, it appears that SANRAL WILL NOT disclose every single bloody information that is required of a government entity. Secondly, show us all the tender procedures and papers because it seems that it is all the well connected players (ie Gijima AST for one) are benefiting from these tenders and not some SME from different regions where these improved roads happen to reside in get the opportunity to win these tender (granted it is a huge project). Thirdly, why did you need a newly built office building? Would renting existing infrastructure not good enough? The building of these toll gantries and their support infrastructures, they needed additional resources (ie, water, electricity and other fees associated with operating gantries) and costs, would it made more business sense to cut down on these extra operating costs? Collecting tolls via fuel levy, the system works just fine, you don't need to reinvent the wheel, and you are ensured of collect your tolls from the motorists and most of all, you don't need to use extra water and electricity... aren't we been told to save as much as we can?

  • grant.hide - 2012-04-17 20:46

    Popcorn must be selling extremely well these days.

  • Kingpin - 2012-04-17 21:19

    Sanral CEO can't wait to cash big bonus so is other hoologans from government. Why exempt taxis? We are all human beings and working. They so much fear taaiboos and the likes. Now they are trying to neutralise Vavi

  • Raj - 2012-04-17 22:32

    I will probably get many thumbs down on what I am about to say, but I have the right to freedom of speech. So here it goes.... South Africa was chosen as the hosting country of the 2010 soccer world cup which was well and good. The road infrastructure in Gauteng/Tswane had to be upgraded in order to handle the flow of traffic. However this project was not completed by the anticipated time, during which motorists had to contend with traffic jams, extended fuel bills and wasted time. The only way to recover the money was to introduce e-toll and bill the already burdened citizens of this province. Just to mention the recent fuel increase has already had an impact on food prices and other commodities. Most motorist were quite content with the number of lanes they had. Why should motorists pay so much more for the addition of just one lane over such short distances. The things that boggles my mind is.... How did the previous government maintain roads? Where did they get the funds from? Where do the funds from the toll plazas go to? Are we not paying levies on fuel? Are taxes from the tax payers not enough to sustain this province? In such trying times if this province cannot sustain itself how can the people do it? Is living a honest life not good enough? Does one have to engage in criminal activity to survive these days? If anyone can please answer these questions I would highly appreciate it.

      Chien-Teng - 2012-04-17 22:54

      To answer many of your questions: 1). GFIP was approved BECAUSE of the world cup, otherwise the same allocated tax payers money for road maintenance and improvement would never happen 2). The previous government (before 1994 I am referring to and the first term of the post 1994 government) actually tried to do the normal planned maintenance and improvement but the government got too busy with lining their pockets with cash 3). Extra lanes? SANRAL and the planner didn't purchase new properties to increase the extra lane or two. They shrank the middle barrier and the left hand emergency shoulder lane and the right hand fast lane shoulder to increase an extra lane or two.... they didn't build anything new 4). This (the link below) might be seemed as very biased but it is something that someone(s) did to show some comparisons and some calculated numbers instead of how SANRAL would say we (us normal public citizens) wouldn't understand the maths and the economics etc of the e-Tolling and I guess my South African education is just not good enough anymore to be assumed stupid http://www.outa.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Calculations-on-E-Tolling-vs-Fuel-Levy-Model-3.pdf

  • Carry - 2012-04-18 06:21

    MR. KALLIE KRIEL AND THE ANTIFORUM - WHERE THE DICKENS HAVE YOU BEEN HIDING ? I THINK YOU GUYS MAY HAVE WOKEN UP JUST IN TIME TO JOIN IN THE COSATU PROTESTS.

      Philemon - 2012-04-18 08:50

      Not been reading the paper for the past 6 months have you?

  • Warwick - 2012-04-18 07:13

    To sanral, Nazi Ali and his fellow clowns, We are not scared of you or your anc cronies, they are incompetent and thus ineffectual at anything they do. Your weakness is our strentgh. To Hell with your tolls.

  • Gert - 2012-04-18 08:06

    ..."stipulated in Article 8(a) that no dominant company was allowed to abuse its position of dominance in order to levy excessive tariffs" This just shows the attitude of these bullies--they know what they are doing is wrong and----to hell with the law and the citizens they go ahead and do it.....the managers of sanral must be held responsible and they must go to jail for deliberately defying the law.

  • Lisa - 2012-04-18 09:30

    what i find quite amusing is the roads on william nicol are still skew....we paying for a road fee thats not even being utilised properly!!!

  • Brian - 2012-04-18 16:54

    Somebody needs to send these clowns a stronger message, because they refuse to get it. Where are all the copper thieves and ATM bombers when you need them?

  • Marrio - 2012-04-19 20:41

    Freshly coined word:E-Toll(ed) - Its like a "can't believe" even, that moment when you get up in the morning to find your neighbour has dug up a trench in the street across your driveway claiming its a speed bump to protect your safety. For YEARS to come it leaves you sitting, holding your head between your hands thinking: Dam did he really do that, is that legal!!! (You have been e-tolled!!!) E-Tag(ged) - Lets say you paid me a fee based on an agreement (like Patrol levy), then lets say I grabbed your wallet and take some more of your hard earned cash and just before returning your wallet, I use my finger to block off one nostril and forcefully blow through the other so that mucus hits you right between the eyes, just so you're reassured I dont give a F#!. (You have been E-Tagged!!!)

  • maralize.vanblerk - 2012-04-20 14:43

    I live in Montana I have to pay Bakwena and Sanral

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