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Second transition vital: Zuma

2012-06-26 14:27

Johannesburg - The ANC's second transition is necessary to overcome the compromises it made in the fight for democracy, President Jacob Zuma said on Tuesday.

"One of the causes of the slow pace to economic freedom is that ahead of [the first democratic election in] 1994... we went through a negotiations process," Zuma said in Midrand.

"We had to make certain compromises in the national interest, and these were absolutely necessary to make. We had to be cautious about restructuring the economy in order to maintain economic stability and confidence at the time."

Zuma was opening the policy conference of the ruling African National Congress.

He said the apartheid era's economic power had remained intact.

"The ownership of the economy is still primarily in the hands of white males, in which it has always been."

A document on the second transition was one of the ANC's 13 policy documents which would be discussed during the four-day conference.

Zuma said the second transition would make the country a "true democratic developmental state... which has a number of instruments it can use to facilitate change".

The first transition was still important because it had ushered in an era of democracy in South Africa.

"The time has come to do something more drastic to accelerate change towards economic transformation and freedom."

Zuma asked delegates to discuss the notion of a second transition when dealing with the strategy and tactics document.

"It is time to ask questions about the present and future... the last 18 years was the first transition. We are calling for a dramatic shift... to deal with the triple challenge[s] of poverty, unemployment and inequality."

Comments
  • poloyatonkim - 2012-06-26 14:32

    I cant wait to have my forefather's land back.

      Gavin - 2012-06-26 14:38

      you talking about the parking lot at Mcdonald's ?

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 14:39

      Hey PolioDonkey... This was never your forefathers land! Your claims are ridiculous. The blacks came from North Africa! The only real owners of any piece of land in SA belong to the Khoi-San

      chris.cunning.14 - 2012-06-26 14:39

      I guess you also can't wait to not afford anything and have food shortages. I know I can't wait. Yay!

      Bugprof - 2012-06-26 14:41

      you will have to share it with 40 million others

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-06-26 14:42

      Your forefathers never owned land back then. It wasn't even theirs. It was the Khoi-San's... learn your history. Tell your government to give you land, of which the majority is owned by them...

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 14:50

      i would imagine,a lot of black Africans do Polo,but to forcefully take,that is theft and is against the constitution,remember,farming makes us less hungrier than the rest of Africa,do we have enough knowledge about it? let's not go wrong,even if the intentions are good,diplomacy and proper conduct must be the order of the day.

      cape.gtown.1 - 2012-06-26 14:51

      Are you ready to fight for it?

      francois.smith.7 - 2012-06-26 14:53

      Zuma has been tainted by the YL if he uses terms like economic freedom. He is playing for both audiences. Zuma, you have economic freedom: Economic freedom is not where you take what you want or by some bizarre reason feel entitled to. Economic freedom is to put your products on the market at a price you are free to decide and someone can buy or not at the price in the market. Thus the buyer is free (economically) to decide whether he want to buy the product. As for equality: The decision by your party to let go of qualified white teachers to help with the edcuation of PD children and to keep useless black SADTU teachers is coming back to bite you? Think how much equal the kids would have been if Mbeki did not think that the teachers were already equal!?

      andre.burrows.92 - 2012-06-26 14:55

      Keep struggling comrade!!!!

      poloyatonkim - 2012-06-26 14:55

      Can any of you show me a prove that Jan Van Rieebeck bought land when the arrived here?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 15:04

      poloyatonkim - please provide the title deed your forefathers had for the land, and give the full historical genealogy of the family who "stole" the land from your direct ancestors. Please also provide your full genealogy in order to prove you are indeed, related to the original title deed holder of that specific piece of land that you claim is yours. Once your provide all of that, I will personally give you the keys to my house.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 15:05

      (if it's sitting on "your" land of course)

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 15:08

      But PolioDonkey, that's back in the Congo ??? Ok then, bye bye

      Roche - 2012-06-26 15:13

      The Land belong to the Khoi-San and you belong in Sentral Africa!

      dave.miles.39589 - 2012-06-26 15:13

      troll, please ignore then he will go away

      shannon.moffett.9 - 2012-06-26 15:15

      Likewise, Poly, can you provide proof that your forefathers bought the land from the Khoi San? i really would like to understand this question of land. What land are you talking about. Urban? Rural? Do you think everyone should just be given a piece of land. Where? To do what with? Can we all choose which land we want? Everyone talks about the land, but nobody explains the practicalities of it. The devil is always in the detail. Perhaps if you can put jargon aside, and answer some of these questions, I might agree. Thanks in advance

      norman.depluhm - 2012-06-26 15:16

      You're welcome to it, bugger off back up to NORTH africa!!!!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-26 15:28

      @Polo... If you get Zuma's words right he said... "The ownership of the economy is still primarily in the hands of white males, IN WHICH IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN." So it has NEVER been in the hands of your ancestors! Do not steal it, your ancestors will get angry!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-26 15:31

      Zuma is desperate to stay in power. Plain and simple. Vote DA to get rid of the anc buffoons! Vote DA to get the economy moving again!

      zambezi.river - 2012-06-26 15:36

      Now is the time.......The time is now! BLACK SPRING calling!

      Michaele - 2012-06-26 15:37

      @polio.... You claim your forefathers own the land and some have written that you should prove who your forefathers are, I challenge you to prove who your father is nevermind their fathers.

      E=MC2 - 2012-06-26 15:43

      troll

      francois.smith.7 - 2012-06-26 16:07

      Poloyatonkim, we dont need to show you that Jan van Riebeeck bought land, he probably stole it or traded it for a cow. The constitution of the RSA guarantees right of ownership and that 30% of land should be restituted to blacks taking the 1913 Land Act into account. That was the settlement that was reached to which Zuma referred. If you want your land back, force a chance in the constitution. Get your 75% in parliament to change it, if it is changed by the means provided for it and you have the right to the land under the changed constution, I will abide by it and help you get your land back.

  • Bardy - 2012-06-26 14:33

    Yeah... Go on and oppress us white folks even more! As if BEE/AA is not unfair enough!

      gershem.chida - 2012-06-26 15:17

      Bringing Zim to SA. I can't wait for this. yhooooooo huuuuuuu!

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-06-26 14:35

    Just wondering who wrote his speech. Gwede? Phosa? ANCYL?

      juan.nel.184 - 2012-06-26 14:57

      If you can't write your own speech, learn it at least!

  • Gavin - 2012-06-26 14:39

    this is like the butterfly going into its cocoon and coming out as a vibrator.

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 14:40

      Don't insult vibrators man! They at least give pleasure and have a use. Unlike this shower-head poephol!

  • Allan - 2012-06-26 14:41

    Jacob wants a second chance to try and be more corrupt in the next 18 years?

      sticky.toffee - 2012-06-26 15:16

      Nice one Jay Z...you playing for the masses and you securing your second term in office. Brilliant tactical move, however market suicide for the commercially active citizens of the land. now if only votes could pay for bread and create jobs. EISH

      E=MC2 - 2012-06-26 15:44

      its more like the twenty second transition...

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 16:19

      Well he's doing a great job of it. Hahahaha! Someone should buy the government some Lego's to keep them busy while the rest of us continue running the country.

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-06-26 14:42

    How is the economy in the power of white males, when we are the last on the list for jobs and opportunities? Bladdy moron

  • Emile Myburgh - 2012-06-26 14:43

    This need for a second transition is in fact an admission of failure by the ANC. They will a million transitions.

  • Mark - 2012-06-26 14:47

    Read: We signed CODESA in bad faith...

      chris.debeer1 - 2012-06-26 16:05

      Only dump nitwitt like FW could have believed they did it in good faith. History proofed that. Piet Retief was a Poephol so was FW. Same mistake!!

  • Billy - 2012-06-26 14:48

    you are communist and use democracy as a front

      mark.schulz.796 - 2012-06-26 15:20

      The ANC is not communist, it is not democratic, it is not fascist. The ANC is nothing but an umbrella organization for thieves, terrorists and murderers leading a bunch of useful idiots and stooges that will use any ideology to entrench its power. When it wants international support, it's the 'beacon of racial conciliation' when it wants to suppress internal dissent, it forms a media tribunal and militarizes the police force. This is why it is paralyzed and unable to form any coherent policy. They were no different during 'the struggle'. They took weapons from the Soviets and the Chinese, but had their HQ for foreign operations in London. Their erstwhile leader, Thambo is on record as saying that he had no ideological or practical allegiance to either side - the ANC was only interested in the cold war conflict insofar as it secure their assent to power - power at any cost. They have never been interested in the lot of the average South African, they are a true 'Trojan horse'. If the South African electorate does not wake up to this fact within the next ten years we will be headed for an ANC cult not unlike Kim Il-Sung's in North Korea and an economy not unlike Pol Pot's Cambodia (I would say Mugabe's Zimbabwe - but he already emulates both of these socialist tyrants.)

  • Michael - 2012-06-26 14:48

    The black elite is getting greedier and greedier and listening to the mood in this country, people have nearly had enough. These idiots are leading this country to civil war, and this time its going to be brother against brother, house to house, its going to be bloody. The whites and other minorities here have nowhere to go.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 14:53

      i am particularly certain that isnt he conduct of the ANC i once voted for,im ashamed,our very own is letting us down,when the war breaksdown,he will be hibernating between the scores of breasts he has wedded with our tax

      Roche - 2012-06-26 15:26

      Yes you have an opportunity to go to paradise. Contact me via email...brandy.roche@yahoo.com.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-06-26 15:36

      @Ntuthuko you are so right. It has nothing to do with race or anything, the economy can't grow enough if the government (ruling party) don't sort out corruption, and manage all state departments well.

  • Dane - 2012-06-26 14:49

    Sorry, did I miss the first transition? Does anyone know when the ANC achieved this?

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-26 14:55

      The first transition was Zim....

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-06-26 14:52

    You cannot plan without first understanding and evaluating the problems with the current plans, otherwise this will be another wasteful exercise, before you plan first you need to understand the challenges, assessments of any programme or intervention is vital to determine whether it works, if it is not them you help refine programme delivery, and to provide evidence for continuing support of the programme. Evaluation will not only provide feedback on the effectiveness of a programme but will also help to determine whether the programme is appropriate for the target population, The problem with the movement is that they plan over a failed plan, which will bring a new failure. Jacob cannot understand this concepts unfortunately, he is just allowing the communist blade to give him new jargons.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 14:56

      we must not for a minute,think this has anything to do with benefiting us as the general public,this casanova needs to stay in power and shuffle entirely the judicial,legislative and justice system,there are corruption charges looming to reinstate,beware the ARMS DEAL

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:01

      Only one solution... Don't vote ANC in the next elections. Simple as that! Am not saying vote DA, but vote any party other than ANC

  • Abraham - 2012-06-26 14:53

    LONG LIVE ANC we will always love you. ANC you look after us when no one wanted us. Oh my ANC for you I will die. ANC is my Mother Father Sister and Brother I will always be ANC. ANC is like religion to me. LONG LIVE ANC and second transition VIVA

      mark.schulz.796 - 2012-06-26 14:56

      You belong in North Korea...

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:02

      I think he orgasmed... O_o?

      Johnnys_Place - 2012-06-26 15:03

      You are still unwanted !!

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 15:14

      he definitely has not been in the same country,we are drowning with some rapid pace,we have schools without books,hospitals without feeding schemes,townships without water,our top cops are thieves,and the latest can own a tavern while sober(WTF!).we are a country under crisis,we need a president who went to school to come brainstorm immediate rescue methods.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 15:20

      The ignorance of humans is so frustrating.

      Johnnys_Place - 2012-06-26 15:39

      Let me rephrase Abraham... you are still unwanted as a person, you are just a vote to the anc. Once they have your cross they will send you to the dogs !!

  • kosmonooit - 2012-06-26 14:54

    Surely the ANC should take an honest look as to why it hasn't been able to effect such change despite being in charge since 1994 and trying all sorts of non-starters schemes and discriminatory legislation. All that has happened is a new elite has got repugnantly wealth, mainly through graft and nepotism. Where do we stand with that in terms of the 2nd transition?

  • Mike - 2012-06-26 14:58

    Mr Sunter I see one of you Red Flags going up here. The 50/50 chance of SA not becoming a Failed State is moving towards 60/40

  • Scouter - 2012-06-26 15:01

    Well, if any one was under any illusion as to what the ANC's intentions are ......... Great encouragement for potential investment. Why don't you shoot yourself in the other foot sometime over the next four days to really complete the act? Fools.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 15:09

      MR stunter, engage in your debates in a manner that does not ridicule your dignity, do not call people fools, it ugly brother. thanx in advance

      Harald - 2012-06-26 15:50

      a spade is a spade... a pot is a pot; and a fool is a fool... What should we call them?

  • pierre.hough1 - 2012-06-26 15:02

    The so-called transition will not happen as Zuma professes. He will learn some very hard lessons. If the freedom constitutional dispensation was compromise of the rights of the people he represents then he must remember that it was as much a compromise for the whites of which I am one. War clouds are gathering fast and Zuma and his cohorts will have to deal with consequences of all the forces he thinks he can control but of which he has not the slightest idea!

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:23

      @ tumisang.kolobe - Hey troll! Pierre is not calling on war you absolute idiot! He is talking about the greater consequence of this poephol's actions! Do you think the world will sit idolly by and watch? Sanctions will be placed on SA and our economy will plummet! Just look at what happened in Zim when mugabe did the same thing! The world turned their back on them... And now? Their people are starving! This idiotic president does not have the well-being of the people of this nation at heart. This is the worst president I have ever heard of in my life! all 30 years of it!

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-26 15:35

      Just remember, Tumisang, that you will have to fight the war with your sticks and stones, since as a racist, you are not permitted to use the weaponry devised by Europeans or Asians.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 15:35

      tumisang.kolobe - firstly we say exactly the same to you - if it's war you want......... Secondly - please define 'Economic Freedom'.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-26 15:45

      Tumisang, What struggle?? If it wasn't for economic sanctions against SA the old NP would have never handed over to the ANC and the ANC would still be banned!! Just remember one thing. If war breaks out it will be the end of the ANC!!!

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-26 17:52

      BigChief, He won't define economic freedom because then he would have to admit that he already has economic freedom.

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-26 17:52

      It looks like Tumi deleted his comment! Lol...

  • BulletProof. - 2012-06-26 15:05

    Yes, agree, something more drastic like stop crime and depleting government funds.

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 15:09

    I know this is the ANC's latest buzzword, but I'm so tired already of hearing about the 'second transition'.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 15:39

      I can just imagine all the illiterate and ignorant ANC sheeple catching onto these phrases, without a clue as to what they mean, running down the streets ......"Viva the Second Transition...viva". Oh hell it's so pitiful you've got laugh.

  • jacques.marais.925 - 2012-06-26 15:10

    And then the 3rd transitionand then the 4th en dan is Suid Afrika in sy moer in!

  • Roche - 2012-06-26 15:12

    The land belong to the Khoi-San and you belong in Sentral Africa!

      humphrey.s.mbothwe - 2012-06-26 15:53

      Who belong to Central Africa? Please enlighten us but don't tell us unproven theory.

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-26 15:23

    Zuma is desperate to stay in power. If he is tossed out the new President will go after Zuma in the courts and Zuma will end up in jail.

  • Steve - 2012-06-26 15:25

    Ask the present gov for your money back that they stole and thieved from the citizens . Who sayS monies /investments /properties /trademarks etc earned before 1994 should fall within the present tax net ? Something to think about and debate - Just as land mentioned before was that of the people who lived here before the present day africans and indians.How far back do we go and how far forward ? All lands have been paid for or taken by force ?

  • Mike Peach Purchase - 2012-06-26 15:26

    Abraham Lincoln i presume.

  • Sindi Khumalo - 2012-06-26 15:26

    ANC for life but Zuma must hit the road

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-26 15:36

      Are you blind?

      sean.mkhize.1 - 2012-06-26 15:41

      In your dreams we ma Khumalo or mrs thereof.

      Harald - 2012-06-26 15:53

      poverty for life is what you gonna get...

  • Vic - 2012-06-26 15:27

    This guy MAZU (if you read it from the mirror)is a really a hipocrite (a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person like him.) He' & his buddies are enjoying a complete fincial freedom and sorts of freedom, including sleeping many women and some without consent and still not get punished. Now they need some votes for their conference and national election - he's talking no8888se. They just playing with poor man's feelings. No matter how much transition it is - people should vote this party out in the next national election. Fullstop!

  • sika.ncamane - 2012-06-26 15:27

    most white people will be negative in this forum but deep down inside they know that they must give the land back as they took it by force.

      dewaldmontgomery - 2012-06-26 15:36

      Most black people will be negative in this forum but deep inside they know that they must give land back as they took it by force (from the other tribes and the Khoi).

      brett.michielin - 2012-06-26 15:38

      You a truely a Twat!! Only way to discribe you

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 16:12

      and you guys believe that insulting each other will bring forth the solutions? im failing to figure who is less capable of thinking rationally between Zuma(the clown),and those who are with and against him,we need cool head to remove this cabinet,you swearing at each other wont achieve a thing.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 16:14

      Whahahahahahahahaha!!! You racist! Know your history.

      John - 2012-06-26 16:38

      most white people will be negative in this forum but deep down inside they know they must get the f@#k out of here as they are not wanted. But their money, possessions and land is so desperately wanted. So leave now while you still can, while you still can take your hard earned money with you, because these a$$holes will eventually take your belongings away, and when it gets to that, please make sure you burn everything you have so they don't get a f$#$#n grubby paw to it. TIA, T.I.A

      silvia.vaneck2 - 2012-06-26 17:55

      Sika, 99.99999% of whites bought their land! They didn't get it for free. If you want land, do like the whites have to do and get a loan to buy land. If you have a good business plan most banks will lend you money!!!

  • Gerald - 2012-06-26 15:30

    South Africa is the only country in the world where Afirmative Action is in the favour of the Majority, and they still cant get started. Loosers

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 16:13

      Correct - it was a system originally established to protect and give minorities a chance to compete and succeed, it was never meant to be used for the protection of a useless majority - as the ANC have applied it.

  • MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 15:31

    I feel so sad for my country and all its people. It is really so so so hard to stay positive about our future. So many close-minded, evil people. The government is filled with people that only care for themselves. They let the people that trust in them down and when they see that the smarter people are turning away from their greed, then they come up with more drastic measures to keep popularity high amongst all the uninformed people. The ANC is the catalyst of hate, racism and everything wrong in this country. They forgot what they stood for. So sad.

  • duma.nkabinde - 2012-06-26 15:31

    What baffles me is the way they fighting to cling on to the land. They cast doubt on our land aspirations. They want us to accept the detrimental status quo as the best possible model. Yes I agree we need radical change now!!

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 15:46

      Just a question on your aspirations - only 12 percent of SA land is agricultural and agriculture accounts for only 2 percent of gdp. Now considering that not even the majority of whites are land owners - how do u propose you will create jobs and get rich from 12 percent of the land? Labour intensive old school farming will create increased food prices! Bearing that in mind let's say u get non agricultural land what then, the bank won't want useless land as collateral so that's also pretty useless. Stop being blinded by race hate ultimately we all have been driven off the land by urbanisation driven by industrialisation and large scale commercial farmers. Rather get educated and compete in the service or industrial arena or even better stop selling raw materials and actually process it here!

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 15:56

      and by radical, we do not mean,forcefully nor violently

      Harald - 2012-06-26 16:10

      ... somthing baffles you... horrors; I'm SHOCKED... you aspirations is to follow your fellow African neihbours down the same path... look around you and learn. That would be progress....

  • Hermann - 2012-06-26 15:32

    Check his CV - no formal schooling - and he wants to speak like an economic wizard. More like theft talk it sounds to for me.

  • Neil - 2012-06-26 15:33

    Hi jacob. Here are the answers to your triple challenge[s]. Poverty - Listen to the DA and implement the youth wage subsidy (this will also help with inequality). Unemployment - Do not listen to COSATU and the communist party. Listen to the DA. And shut up about nationalization. Kill that debate dead and start attracting international investors. Inequality - Get something as simple as delivering text books to schools right. Educate the masses. Education makes everyone equal. And most importantly, and listen carefully... Stop stealing money, taking bribes, wasting money on fancy cars, overseas trips, lavish lifestyles and too many wives, children and girlfriends. Use that money to... wait for it... deal with poverty, unemployment and inequality. See, simple. Even you should be able to understand it now.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 15:44

      It REALLY is that simple. So frustrating to know that someone of my age is many many times more smarter than the president. The government is just full of skelms and liars. So frustrating.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 15:54

      you preaching my gospel,except: i will never vote DA,because of the belief that people like you have about black people,regardless of their capacity and education,see your last sentence,thats insulting a brother. besides,i agree with all your points

  • richard.cramer.16 - 2012-06-26 15:38

    So , let's take away from those who have and GIVE it to those who have not! Great way to build an economy for all in SA! This has been done successfully, where? Please enlighten us!

  • pmalungana - 2012-06-26 15:41

    The admission by the president that they made a lot of compromises at codensa is a serious indictment to the ANC's rule. It is tantamount to selling out the struggle for freedom. Which means we still far from achieving the goals set for the liberation if the wealth is still controlled by our fellow whites brothers, who admittedly stole from blacks. How the hell are they accusing blacks of the same thing they did? If what the president says is true then we have to arm ourselves as whites will not be prepared to hand over economic power in a plate. The democracy is a lie, so you must stop singing that verse mr. president.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 15:49

      Arm yourself? we do not need such talk in our country, if Zuma proves to us how foolish and inadequate his character is, we should not follow suit.

      africanwolf - 2012-06-26 15:52

      You have to work for economic freedom, and not just take it from someone else who worked hard for his wealth

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-06-26 15:47

    The reason for the slow pace is because the hungry pigs feeding at the trough want to enrich themselves first. Then, when they believe they have enough, maybe they'll let some of the wealth filter through to the people. Transitions my @ss - that's just an excuse. It takes 18 years to get it right? And they still blame the mess on the whites - even though we are outnumbered 9 to 1. What a bunch of woessies!! ANC cannot take responsibility for their mess, the just pull out the racist card and blame it all on apartheid. It's time they take ownership of the problem that is of their making. Clear up corruption first and only then, point fingers.

  • macebo.s.thusi - 2012-06-26 15:59

    Power corrupts and populists create their own state. I still believe that education will free us all and as for the President he must just recall himself the struggle for all is the thing of the past now it only about corruption and more corruption thanks to the populist president.dead is the ANC if it continues in this fashion.the focus is on the poor since we are getting close to election sad states of affairs and people are happy in the state of Inkandla .

  • berni.venter - 2012-06-26 16:01

    Racist.

  • sean.mkhize.1 - 2012-06-26 16:10

    I've said this before, the rich will need to come into the party or they will be forced to. The history tells us that, other African countries are a reality or the closest mirror to reflect. People must stop to be ignorant and be realistic. It is nice and easy when people are arrogantly commenting here but when the time comes....may God protect us all.

  • stevie0064 - 2012-06-26 16:11

    With thinly-veiled rhetoric like this, what's the point of even entertaining the idea of racial reconciliation? It should be quite obvious now who is driving the wedge of hatred and bitterness.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 16:20

      Correct - the writing is on the wall. All I ask is that those die hard optimists now please get your head out of your you know what and look around. Do you all see now where we're headed? Does it seem familiar? It should because many of us have been warning about this for years.

  • James - 2012-06-26 16:21

    We need economic growth. It is the key to progress. Without it - more uneployment. Labour needs to be seen as a resource that has to be exploited. Fully utilitised labour is productive employment. Too many labour laws. Too many people employed in government. Too much waste. Education is also the key to expanding the utility of labour and employment. Weak work ethic. Too much emphasis on entitlement and rights. Too much corruption. Not enough goodwill. Failure to acknowledge limitations. Lack of competence. We need sound management rather than leadership.

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 16:24

    We're all still waiting for the definition of 'economic freedom'. And try to come up with an intelligent definition rather than the usual revolutionary rhetoric.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-06-26 19:01

      this is economic, we start by believing that we have the capabilities and the expertise to run our economic affairs to our benefit. The colonial powers continued to exploit the African raw materials to build their economies at the expense of the African economies. What is astonishing, though, is the fact that we allowed them free passage to do so, and we still do allow them to do so. To date we still continue to behave as if we cannot manage our own economic affairs without the departed colonial powers’ assistance. Economic freedom mean we the children of the soil, owning and running successful economies employing our own brothers and sisters who unfortunately cannot be employed in the current formal economy as they are unfortunately born black.We cannot be free until we own our land, how can you say you are free to if someone else owns your land, we are tenants in our own continent,People come here and take resources from our land and we don’t benefit??

  • oistar.tutu - 2012-06-26 16:29

    poly, where was his land?

  • John - 2012-06-26 16:30

    It's time to leave this god forsaken place. Whites, indians, coloureds, basically anyone that is not black black. There's no place for us in this 'Democratic' South Africa when 'our' president says things like "It is time to ask questions about the present and future... the last 18 years was the first transition. We are calling for a dramatic shift... to deal with the triple challenge[s] of poverty, unemployment and inequality." In 18 years, the cANCer of this country has managed to rape its own land, and somehow, SOMEHOW, they are still able to blame it on apartheid and the white man, and have their moronic followers still believe them. What is this 'Dramatic Shift' you are talking about, more BEE, more taxes for non-blacks, more open corruption, more incompetence, worse service delivery. What else do you want, you C#$T.

      Ntuthuko M Simelane - 2012-06-26 17:43

      are you referring to all black people?

      John - 2012-06-26 17:48

      Nope, I actually classify the educated black dudes as 'not black enough' for this government. Cause you guys just aren't unfortunately. Anyone with a logical and just opinion of right and wrong are not 'black enough' for this government. You guys are called 'coconuts' by this government and it's quite sad actually. We need to leave these 'black blacks' here to fend for themselves, and come back after they've all become victims of their own idiologies. That's when South Africa will prosper.

  • sizwe.bwana - 2012-06-26 16:31

    need to chat with Bob and get a few tips

      John - 2012-06-26 16:41

      Ja, I think you should, but you'd have to get your head out his a$$ first. Maybe then you'll also see daylight and what's actually going on and where we'll land if his mentality takes over here.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-26 16:43

    I think you've run out of time El Presidento and the card you want to play is going to bring your entire house down. If you try & nationalize anything - or change the constitution - to suit your political wants your economy won't be worth 10c by Xmas. You're playing with fire, not sure you want to see the end result, not sure you even understand the end result. Have you ever heard of an eroded tax-base?

  • willem.wulfse.3 - 2012-06-26 16:47

    Second transition is because we screwed up when power was handed to us. Now we need a new angle so that we can justify our existence as a governing party. That is what mad Bob did to try and disguise his inability to run a country. Beginning of the end. What are you going to do with the land once you have possession? Farm or squat? The impoverished Zimbabweans came to South Africa to join our poor. Where are the crowds going to flee to once this economy is destroyed?

  • JuditVictor - 2012-06-26 17:52

    strange how black people are demanding more and more rights even in Europe. But here in Africa they simply take. I reckon if they take property they should give back their cars, cell phones and other luxuries which were developed in ... uh ummm... developed countries. There's this great over protection world wide of black peoples. Why? Obama has a fraudulant birth certificate and the major press stays mum on it. Not a word. That great protection again.

  • Michael - 2012-06-26 20:31

    ZIMBABWE II, HERE WE COME, BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU.

  • mlondolozi.matshini - 2012-06-26 22:09

    so......now we must vote for them again in the name of \second transition\. they never run out of ways to confuse the masses, hey.

  • kebokosher - 2012-06-27 09:05

    Africa is the land of Africans!, South Africa is the land for South Africans so if your fore fathers are of alternate decent than WE COMING FOR THAT LAND!! And please guys do not disrespect the PRESIDENT of SOUTH AFRICAN PEOPLE.