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Shiceka, Mahlangu-Nkabinde fired as ministers

2011-10-24 15:12

Pretoria - President Jacob Zuma on Monday replaced two Cabinet ministers implicated in corruption and announced a major reshuffle of his executive team.

Zuma told reporters that Sicelo Shiceka had been replaced as co-operative governance minister and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde had been replaced as public works minister.

Shiceka was suspected of spending R600 000 on un-sanctioned luxury travel including overseas visits to a girlfriend imprisoned in Switzerland for drug smuggling.

Mahlangu-Nkabinde was accused by the public protector of wrongdoing for her role in a lease deal involving a Pretoria building for police headquarters.

Police commissioner General Bheki Cele was also suspended with full pay. General Nhlanhla Mkwanazi has been appointed acting commissioner.

Comments
  • Werner - 2011-10-24 15:16

    Full pay, wow that must be hard

      Linds - 2011-10-24 15:20

      Suspension with full pay always seems criminal, but it is not fair to suspend sa person without pay unless they have been found guilty. Ministers server at the Presedent's pleasure, therefore he needs no reason to fire them. But he cannot by law fire the General abitrarily or suspend his pay arbitrarily. President Mbeki failed to even suspend Jacky Selebi.

      Right - 2011-10-24 15:21

      Mr. President!...the one thing I have always admired about you is your calm, rational and unhurried approach to leadership. No one steamrollers you.....Hey Baba! As I said to you at the Presidents Golf Day...Hey Baba! Nkulukulu watches over you. Now for the matter of Malema : I am NO supporter of Malema...but the issue of Malema is not an easy one. If it unravels there will be BIG PROBLEMS for everyone in this country. Your BEST OPTION is to press the law agencies to prioritise the investigations. Malema is one damn good Politician and alot of "laager mentalities" don't seem to understand that. But if you Umsholozi can upseat Mbeki I would hope you can pull the rug from under Malema.

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 15:23

      Ok Zuma, seeing that you getting rid of the garbage, please come to the party and stand trial for the 700+ corruption charges you had against you you hypocrite! I wish one of your so-called fired comrades spills the beans on you!

      Fred - 2011-10-24 15:23

      Happy days ........a start at least!!

      Right - 2011-10-24 15:24

      You are required to follow the Laws of the land. Suspension with full pay is fine. Most important is that you are seen to be doing something....and I love that hidden message to Malema.

      Sganja - 2011-10-24 15:28

      Right. Warning Don't touch Malema Dr Zuma!!!

      Moss - 2011-10-24 15:32

      Rite if law enforcement agencies were to investigate the ANC no one willbe left, including Zuma!!

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 15:34

      @Sganja: This is a drug-free zone, go smoke your ganja elsewhere!

      Sganja - 2011-10-24 15:37

      Servaas I you coming to Union Building? I want to meet you have heard enough.

      richard.hipkin - 2011-10-24 15:44

      Hey Servaas, leave the holy herb out of your retarded ramblings...

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 15:47

      @Sganja: Ooooh.. what you going to do?Protest me to death? @Richard: lol

      Right - 2011-10-24 15:56

      @Richard :-) I am glad you noticed....about the retarded ramblings.

      Trevor - 2011-10-24 15:59

      Absolutly!!!!

      Bryan - 2011-10-24 15:59

      @Right... ANC's intelligence unit??Bwahaha, that has to be the biggest contradiction of terms that I have ever heard..!!@Sganja.., I see you have been at the dogfood again my brother? It's bad for the brain bru..!!

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 16:01

      @right: "even the Amadlozi (Zulu ancestors) talk to him." Me, retarded ramblings?? Did your Ancestors whisper that in your ear? Zuma and intelligence unit just does not work in the same sentence.. Like saying Malema the scientist. lol LOL

      Right - 2011-10-24 16:07

      @Bryan and @serv-ASS....you two "laager mentalities" don't have the faintest idea or notion. I suggest you guys rather go pray next to ET's tombstone.

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 16:10

      @Right: Wow.. What a comeback.

      VOVO247 - 2011-10-24 16:13

      HANDS OFF OUR GENERAL!!!

      Johan - 2011-10-24 16:20

      ....earning a hugh salary to do bugger all, nothing......!! ...only in Africa...!!!

      Right - 2011-10-24 16:25

      @Johan...what is high about Cele's salary. Thats peanuts!

      Servaas - 2011-10-24 16:28

      @right: Yes, his salary compared to the kickbacks from corruption I also agree it is peanuts.

      MoAfrika - 2011-10-26 08:56

      It's in the constitution and Zuma didn't write the constitution.

  • jako.nagel - 2011-10-24 15:17

    wow... surprised.... did'nt know he (zuma) had it in him. Impressed.

      mastersvoice - 2011-10-24 15:50

      I'm not really impressed at all. These were people he appointed, and he should really be taking some of the blame onto himself. It would also seem they were only fired because of strong media attention on the individuals in question. Is this just the tip of the iceberg, I wonder?

      Myth - 2011-10-24 16:23

      He doesn't have it in him; he had nowhere to hide in this matter. Now, about the arms bribery/corruption and a couple of hundred other little issues...

  • lee.ferreira - 2011-10-24 15:17

    Suspended? And who pays his salary? Again the long suffering tax payers, that is who!!

      Sganja - 2011-10-24 15:18

      Can you learn to accept please...

      Felix - 2011-10-24 15:23

      Sganga, do you say that to all your rape victims?

      Sganja - 2011-10-24 15:25

      Felix what?

      JMan - 2011-10-24 15:31

      Learn to Accept? ...paying AGIAN for some corrupt offcial? Learn to wake up...!

      Johan - 2011-10-24 16:23

      ....earning a hugh salary and do bugger all, nothing......!! ...only in Africa...!!! ....wasting tax payers money...!!!

      hennie.buys1 - 2011-10-24 21:07

      @Azande, I agree suspend him with full pay....BUT if found guilty all pay is to be repaid up to date of suspension, that is fair not if he pockets all that money and is still guilty.

      LynneOeschger - 2011-10-25 15:38

      I'm not happy about footing the bill and I do feel it is too little too late from Zuma, but he does have to follow the rule of law and Cele has to be paid until he is found guilty.

  • Vincent - 2011-10-24 15:19

    Zuma finally made a tough decision! well done! Keep it up!... next step... lets get the investigations over quickly so that they dont sit around on full pay for ages and drain tax money.

  • Jacqueline - 2011-10-24 15:20

    Well done Mr President. Pity you are still paying Cele

  • Mandla - 2011-10-24 15:22

    2 down, 1 on holiday!

      Werner - 2011-10-24 15:24

      brilliant

      Raymond - 2011-10-25 06:44

      Don't forget sheryl cwele. Convicted and still out there....

  • Sharon - 2011-10-24 15:22

    With full pay .............NO WAY.......come on now fire his ass

  • Nic - 2011-10-24 15:24

    What about the Minister of Police. He should have intervened even before Zuma Sack him as well.

  • Thopa - 2011-10-24 15:24

    Zuma, the country needs Cele!

      Larry - 2011-10-24 15:27

      Like it needs another hole in the head.

      Gerald - 2011-10-24 15:35

      which tree needs Cele?

      Andrew - 2011-10-24 15:58

      Please tell us what we need him for?

      VOVO247 - 2011-10-24 16:05

      Exactly, we have far greater issues to worry about & Cele has done MASSIVE amounts in terms of police moral, police action, responses & security in the townships, this man is one man that we should look after & be greatful the nation has, & not listen to armchair critics who have done nothing for their nation!!! HANDS OFF OUR GENERAL!

      Myth - 2011-10-24 16:26

      Umm, actually, what we need is an ethical, educated, intelligent trustworthy individual as Police Commissioner. I wonder of there is one such in the anc?

      Merven - 2011-10-25 07:38

      Vovo247, you're a constable looking for a promotion?

  • Bright - 2011-10-24 15:25

    i am trully humbled, Mr JZ well done. Show Mbeki how it's done

      Warren - 2011-10-24 23:56

      Didn't Mbeki do the exact same thing to Zuma??? (& look where that got him). Not so bright after all???

      Bright - 2011-10-25 10:26

      @ Warren -Mbeki's allegations against Zuma were politically motivated because he wanted to hang on to power, Zuma was cleared by the courts. Mbeki failed to fire Selebi and the useless minister of health then. U don't know anythying about politics u better stick to what u know best (the grill) haha.

      celeste.rsa - 2011-10-25 12:30

      Zuma was cleared by the courts??? Really, when was that?

      Warren - 2011-10-25 14:58

      @ Bright: Answer me two simple questions: 1)Was Shaik convicted of facilitating bribes for Zuma? 2)Why did Zuma demand his day in court, then spend so much money (reportedly close to R100 million) to avoid it that his lawyer could suddenly afford to buy a gold mine? C'mon, for real dude? Even my griller figured this one out in no time.

      Warren - 2011-10-26 09:40

      @ Bright: No response = not so bright after all.

  • Mawethu - 2011-10-24 15:26

    thats what u should have done from the first place wena Zuma... save the organisation frm the looters plz!

  • ajay.bhowan - 2011-10-24 15:28

    I'm actually a bit surprised - surprised in a good way - well done to Zuma for replacing these miinisters - the next logical step is for these ministers to pay back to the state what they have siphoned off and also be fired if they are found guilty...I'm not holding my breath

      Judith - 2011-10-24 18:30

      And expelled from the ANC too, please

      Jenni - 2011-10-24 20:45

      good idea they must be made to pay back what has been taken we could just pay off our foreign debt with this maybe even build 1000000000000 RDP houses

  • clinton.bowden1 - 2011-10-24 15:28

    This is not a show of balls...5 wives and 20+ children was proof of that. This is possibly a sign of a spine ( and of course he is "applying his mind" to some political chess ). But I doubt Zuma is a really a Kasparov with out backing from the YL and now with Cele, Shiceka and that Gwen women they can so easily now switch camps and go against him. This will not be the last we will hear of the Fired. They will just be resurrected. Call me a pessimist, I never was really until there came SA politics.

  • Nyiks11 - 2011-10-24 15:28

    Congrats Mr President , now tell us when and where are you redeploying them ?

  • sipho.sebose - 2011-10-24 15:30

    Good job Msholozi my president

      clinton.bowden1 - 2011-10-24 15:32

      Optimist

  • VOVO247 - 2011-10-24 15:32

    Agreed with firing teh ministers, but suspending the Police commissioner is a massive setback in for the SAPS as well as crime fighting in the nation as a whole. General Cele should be cleared & re-instated ASAP if we are to continue with teh major improvements made to & by the SAPS!!!

      Judith - 2011-10-24 18:33

      This would allow someone without ethics to lead the SAPS. I don't think this is a good idea, no matter what type of a leader he is.

      Brian - 2011-10-24 19:27

      If he is innocent he will be cleared. Enough prima facie evidence not to clear him without an inquiry.

  • Shayne - 2011-10-24 15:32

    Progress.

  • celeste.rsa - 2011-10-24 15:33

    A corrupt President firing two corrupt cabinet ministers....what a joke!

      Myth - 2011-10-25 09:59

      Yep, seriously ironic, laughable and amusing...

  • Silvana - 2011-10-24 15:33

    Why wasn't Cele fired as well if Mahlangu-Nkabinde was? The cases are related.

      Simon - 2011-10-24 18:35

      Why wasnt De Klerk killed as well if Gaddafi was? The cases are related With the logic applied above,Thank the powers that not anyone can become president

      Hugh - 2011-10-25 16:05

      Geez Simon, how old are you?

  • Aisha - 2011-10-24 15:34

    The biggest winners will be the criminals should Zuma fires the General, he is hard on Criminals the list is endless.

      Myth - 2011-10-25 14:27

      Unfortunately, his actions raise the possibility that he may be a criminal, too, which must now be clarified.

  • Collen - 2011-10-24 15:35

    Good one Mr President. Ignore haters who moan about everything...you do this, they say that, you do that they say this. Haters don't get tired. It's a continued struggle.

  • Karoo - 2011-10-24 15:35

    Well done Mr. Zuma!

  • lebo.lathane - 2011-10-24 15:38

    Now this is what I call leadership. But why does it seem like some animals are more equal than others? Mahlangu-Nkabinde was fired for Leasegate and one would think Cele should get the same whip. As they say, where there is a corruptor, there's a corruptee…But well done to the President nonetheless...Kudos Jiggaman!

      Warren - 2011-10-25 00:13

      @ lebo.lathane: A while ago the exact same thing was said about Zuma & Shaik. As we know the one became president & the other went to hospital. However, it is a start & who knows where it will end.

  • Jay - 2011-10-24 15:41

    SOME IDIOTS WILL NEVER BE SATISFIED!!ZUMA DID A GOOD JOB, HE SHOWED EVERYONE THAT HE HAS BALLS OF STEEL,but unfortunately he is not the right skin colour so whatever he does no matter how good it is, they will always be some clowns who think otherwise,,well done President Zuma, you did the right thing, a person is suspended with full pay pending investigation or until such time the charges against that particular individual are proved. Cele is still being investigated further and as such he is entitled to his full pay, this is in accordance with the labour laws of the Republic, and for Zuma to be able to deal with these criminals properly and effectively the tax payer has to take some heat as well, its called collateral damage. well done Mr J Z

      Houtskool - 2011-10-24 15:43

      those balls are a bit rusty after being submerged in water from all the showers he has been taking.

      Jay - 2011-10-24 16:36

      @Houtskool :welll i guess his many wives managed to polish the rust off back to shiny steel..lol..Zuma is still yet to pull more rabbits out of the hat so to speak...

      Grant - 2011-10-24 19:00

      The taxpayer is taking all the heat.

  • Norman - 2011-10-24 15:42

    What? I thought we were gonna wait for 6 Months or so before we hear your whip cracking. Well done Mr President.

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-10-24 15:42

    The SA criminals are holding thumbs, hoping Zuma does indeed fire Cele.

  • Paul - 2011-10-24 15:42

    Well done Mr Zuma. But why on full pay ?

      Jay - 2011-10-24 16:52

      Pualie I understand your sentiment with regards to the "suspension with full pay"issue and I myself join you in lambasting such a move by the President, but unfortunately the president does not make the law and the law of the Republic clearly states that when an individual is suspended and NOT fired pending an investigation then that individual is entitled to his full pay and benefits until such a time when the charges against such an individual are proved or until such a time when the individual is convicted. BCele is still under investigation and if he is not given his full pay while on suspension then he will sue the state for 1.breach of contract=damages 2.changing the law unlawfully 3.pre-mature conviction (lack of a better phrase)and the fees alone will cost the taxpayer 10 times than it will cost if this guy is suspended with full pay..let us as tax payers take the heat and hope that the commission find him guilty.the lady Justice Mokgoro is a renowned retired CC judge and I know she will make the right decision as she does not care consider political affiliation in her rulings, she is just and fair, so if Cele is guilty he will burn.

  • Karen - 2011-10-24 15:44

    Fantastic news ! Please keep this up ! This is the type of leadership that we have been asking for and goes a very long way to show that we have never been against the ANC because of their skin colour but because of their actions !

      Jay - 2011-10-24 16:01

      well said Karen, maybe the country needs a lot more Karens lol

  • Terence - 2011-10-24 15:46

    In a spirit of fairness and following the law of the land.Why can`t a law be promolgated that allows Personnel to be suspended with full pay when suspected of criminal acts but be forced to repay their salaries received, during the suspension period, if they are subsequently found guilty. They should also surrender any rights to pensions etc if found guilty.

  • robbie.crouch - 2011-10-24 15:48

    Who can fire Zuma?!

      Sganja - 2011-10-24 15:49

      Anc NEC.

      Hugh - 2011-10-25 16:11

      The ANCYL, watch this space....

      Martin - 2011-10-26 09:09

      @Hugh. The space in your scull?

  • Glen - 2011-10-24 15:49

    "I'm going to be here until my job is done. There is work to be done and I am doing it. Let me repeat myself, I'm going to be here until my work is done. I'm not thinking so, I'm telling you so," uhhhh , sorry what was that mr cele? You were saying?

  • Stephan - 2011-10-24 15:50

    Wow, we the public are really fickle, aren't we? Look at us patting zuma on the back like he just scored a goal - didn't realise simply doing one's job "efficiently" qualifies one for a standing ovation? When he redeploys these malfunctioning cadres into other departments, we'll sigh and click our tongues and just accept the inevitable scandal.Lets watch the release of details of the Arms Deal commission before we break out the vuvuzelas for old Showerhead, okay...?

      celeste.rsa - 2011-10-24 18:34

      At last, someone that's not blinded by sudden springing into action of old Showerhead. People are forgetting that this is the same Zuma who escaped getting what he deserved for his own corrupt dealings.

  • Pinkie - 2011-10-24 15:51

    ok Cele with full pay:)

  • Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-10-24 15:55

    Cele will be walking around with his stomach in and chest out, thinking to himself, "I conned the Kangaman".

  • Daan - 2011-10-24 15:56

    Too little too late?

  • Michelle - 2011-10-24 15:58

    Being suspended with full pay??? WTF!! Typical of the ANC government. Nice holiday for being corrupt!!

  • William - 2011-10-24 15:59

    AT LAST!!!! Seems like the public protector's report has grown some cobwebs since it was released!! I think old Prez needs to act a little quicker on these things. Wonder what is next for our dear Ministers?? A nice fat golden handshake at taxpayers expense or a cushy diplomatic post overseas???

  • eezyn - 2011-10-24 16:02

    You showed some balls there JZ, but why with full pay??

  • lindakhum - 2011-10-24 16:04

    Big up Mr President

  • Pearl-Ann - 2011-10-24 16:05

    Full pay! What a laugh. Zuma is too scared to fire him. Wonder what these fools are going to do when the pot of taxpayers' gold runs out!

      Musa - 2011-10-25 14:24

      You don't understand labour laws of this country. Of course, during apartheid era we had evil labour acts such as Job Reservation Act. He will be suspended with full pay until the board of inquiry finalises its investigation and submit its recommendations to the President. We don't want the President to be dragged to the CCMA or Labour Court for unfair labour practice.

      Myth - 2011-10-25 17:34

      @Musa: The minister of public whatever was fired for the same things cele was merely suspended for. Explain that please, which to me looks like the law is broken... And yes, we do want the president dragged to court, any court for starters as long as he goes through all of them.

  • Bongane - 2011-10-24 16:08

    The Congress of the People Youth in Gauteng welcomes the reshuffling of Parliament and the expulsion of Sicelo Shiceka and Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde and the subsequent suspensions of General Cele as the national police commissioner as announced by the country’s President Jacob Gedleyihlekisa Zuma. We also commend the President for finally implementing and listening to the Public Protector's recommendations for proper and firm stances on the implicated ministers and the commissioner. We hope the investigation into the commissioner’s conducts will be concluded as soon as possible to curb the over expenditure of paying for suspended high ranking officers in the SAPS. We also commend the Public Protector, Thuli Madonsela on the job well done. Statement issued by the office of the Head of Communications of the Congress of the People Youth Movement in Gauteng. Bongani Mahlangu Cope YM HOC, Gauteng 0827803523

      Gcwabe.KaMavovo - 2011-10-24 16:13

      You guys still exist? Whose faction do you represent?

      Bongane - 2011-10-25 10:12

      Gcwabe, there is one Congress of the People which has a contract with people to ensure a better South Africa and sound governance. We exist in all forms, including the Women Movement, Youth Movement, Business and Professionals as well as the Student Movement. Get on board and let us change South Africa to be the best that we can be.

  • Kagiso - 2011-10-24 16:10

    Will they also be charged for these crimes, Or just fired? Surely criminal charges are also in order.

  • Barbara - 2011-10-24 16:11

    best news today!

  • naas.muller - 2011-10-24 16:13

    It is about time that J Z catches a wake up and do something about these "thugs "

  • Thabiso - 2011-10-24 16:13

    At last. This was long overdue. The officials involved should have done the honorable thing n resigned before being fired. Integrity is in short supply in our body polotic

  • braamc - 2011-10-24 16:15

    Applied his mind at last, now get rid of most of the others

  • Grant - 2011-10-24 16:15

    A board of enquiry has to be established to corroborate the protectors findings before he can be fired ... that's the law. Let's see if that happens.

  • Lindani - 2011-10-24 16:24

    kwasuka futhi lokho...

  • Gail - 2011-10-24 16:27

    "Police commissioner General Bheki Cele was also suspended with full pay. "....yep, crime does pay. Now he has a paid holiday for his crimes.

      Myth - 2011-10-25 17:38

      @Gideon: not sure who the moron is here, after all, the minister for public works was fired for the same issues cele was suspended. Draw us a picture please.

  • Lekgwakgwa - 2011-10-24 16:30

    WELL DONE ZUMA BUT YOU TAKE LONG FORGET THIS PEOPLE ENJOY TAXIPAYERS MONEY REMOVE cELE OLSO BEFORE IS TOO LATE