Shivambu: We rushed to join brics

2011-06-18 16:13

Midrand - The South African government made a mistake by rushing to join Brics, a group of major emerging markets, comprising Brazil, Russia, India and China.

Addressing delegates attending the African National Youth League (ANCYL) congress at Gallagher Estate in Midrand, ANCYL spokesperson, Floyd Shivambu said he believed the South African government made a mistake of rushing to join Brics.

He said South Africa should have started by strengthening trade relations with its fellow African countries first before joining to Brics.

South Africa formally joined Brics this year and government argued the move was crucial because it would raise South Africa influence on the world stage and also bolster political and trade ties within the bloc.

Government has admitted that joining Brics would require South Africa to trade carefully.

The size and competitiveness of Brics meant that South Africa needed to design its approach carefully, national department of trade and industry deputy director general, Carim Xavier speaking during the investment conference in Durban recently.

“For a country like South Africa that confronts its own development challenges, we cannot simply open our markets if doing so leads to destructive competition, de-industrialisation or if it exacerbates already high levels of unemployment,” Xavier said.

Shivambu said the ANCYL would push for the ANC to adopt its proposal for the nationalisation of mines and the expropriation of land.

In a discussion document titled Programme of Action for Economic Freedom in Our Lifetime, the youth league calls for the expropriation of land without compensation, in an effort to speed up land reform.

  • Slapper - 2011-06-18 16:21

    THATS THE END OF Floyd. Off the gravy train with him. How dare he speak against the gate keepers to heaven?

      Datbrotherfromthestates - 2011-06-18 21:55

      no,its the end of ZUMA! surprised that he has lasted this long after the elections last month!

      cliffarc - 2011-06-19 13:56

      - Has this idiot ever considered that we need Brasil, Russia,India and China far more than they need us .

  • Piet Opperman - 2011-06-18 16:25

    The oracle has spoken. Somebody should have asked him before taking such an important step. Now we will all suffer.

  • Mannie777 - 2011-06-18 16:29

    Why is every word the ANCYL said in the news?? Jeez, is there really nothing else going on in SA??

      thobsion.ANC - 2011-06-18 16:51

      Ask that again. Media radar to the African National Congress, 365 days a year.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-06-18 16:31

    Thick as i BRIC this decision.South Africa cannot compete with cheap productivity, especially in the BRIC alignment.So more people will become unemployed, leading to further socio-economic problems. India and China will see the main benefit,while school leavers will find no jobs. Oh well, guess the ANC can always lower the pass mark to 20% at school, in an effort at least get a higher matric pass mark, even though jobs will be scare.

  • Doublepost - 2011-06-18 16:32

    Well, look Floyd, as soon as you nationalise the mines, your political comrades will bankrupt them and soon the mines, along with all other nationalised assets, will be sold off to China and India anyway, to cover the enormous debt that you will incur trying to prove the "racists" wrong! The joys of nationalisation, proven a failure all around the world, coming to your country courtesy of that wonderful "youth leader" Malema! Whoop! Whoop!

      Macho Mike - 2011-06-18 17:08

      @Makip - One small error in your drivel - "The wealth of this continent is going back to Africans" should read "The poverty of this continent is going back to Africans" SA should look at the failure of Zambia as a prime example. I have been to Kitwe many times, and to see people selling rats as food to urk out a living is not a pleasant sight, or thought. Maybe you would also like to become a rat seller Makip?

      Zinki - 2011-06-18 17:09

      Just like the Outcomes Based Education system that failed everywhere else in the world! We were told at the time that it WOULD work in South Africa. Well, 10 years later the government has eventually admitted that OBE does not work. Why are we always hellbent on trying something that has not worked anywhere else in the world.

      Doublepost - 2011-06-18 17:36

      Makip, where on Earth do you read the crap you spew!? Europe has been using iron, gold, copper and other ores for thousands of years. Ever heard of the bronze age, the iron age and so forth?! Frek, you are deluded! Chinese people developed the car?! Are you for real!? I shouldn't ask should I? There is no point in me commenting further. The "history" you think you know is based on Afro-centrist nonsense and Eastern appeasement. I will leave you with this thought though. If Whites are as useless and criminal as you seem to suggest. Why then, when Whites, the useless and criminal race, want to separate, EVERY other RACE on the planet has a problem with it?!

      makip - 2011-06-18 17:51

      moron! do you ever hear!i said china is the ;''FIRST" nation to use Gold before other nations did.Yes the europeans used Gold for years but it was first discoverd by the chinnesse.It was just recently proven honey pie.if dont dont believe me please make an effort to find out ok before u say anyhtin else further.even Obama mentioned at some point

      Doublepost - 2011-06-18 17:53

      Lala, I can't hear you above the sound of how awesome I am!

      Joachin01 - 2011-06-18 20:08

      @makip, see the timeline below (4 000 bc is earlier than 1 091 bc). Read "Why the West Rules - For now" by Ian Morris, it covers 648 pages of research starting at the ice age. 4000 B.C. A culture, centered in what is today Eastern Europe, begins to use gold to fashion decorative objects. The gold was probably mined in the Transylvanian Alps or the Mount Pangaion area in Thrace. 1091 B.C. Little squares of gold are legalized in China as a form of money.

      Worldwise - 2011-06-18 20:18

      Makip, the car was invented in Germany by Mr Daimler and Mr Benz in about 1889. It became Mercedes Benz due to one of the men having a daughter by that name. Your ANC loves driving in these cars. The Chinese were driving hand pulled carts until about 20 years ago when the communist government od Mao Zedong fell. Sorry, you fail your history test.

  • boramk - 2011-06-18 16:35

    BRICS > Africa

  • horsehair - 2011-06-18 16:47

    look at the top banner, see Cape Town works.. have you seen the Gautrain buses with the drivers driving themselves around hahahahaha USELESS

  • Dave - 2011-06-18 16:50

    Jeez Floyd, evn JZ told you to shuss, now keep quiet for *ˆ*&%& sake

  • RobertKay - 2011-06-18 16:52

    And what does the kintergarden know about Brics? Apart from throwing them in riots? Mr. Floyd has now also qualified as the village idiot!

  • Mxhuma - 2011-06-18 16:53

    Floyd has already accepted a job offer from somewhere. Yesterday he heckled the prez and today he is challenging the cabinet decisions of JZs govt.

  • maya die by - 2011-06-18 16:55

    bla bla

  • Sprinkaan - 2011-06-18 17:38

    Today it was reported in the papers that the ANCYL discuss the economy. Did the play dice on the pavement

  • BigSpoon - 2011-06-18 17:45

    Floyd,who are you boy???You are as dumb as a weasel!

  • marco - 2011-06-18 17:53

    The amount of K@K the African National Youth League (ANCYL) spews out each and everyday just on this News24 forum beggars belief honestly.And the dumb ****ers gets so much credence from gullible-minded dissident Black South African voters who don't know their elbows from their a**es even if you have to tell them which is which.Blimey vooitog ****ing illiterate sons of b***hes the lot of you all are bunch of no-hopers.

      Clive25 - 2011-06-20 08:37

      Cool down my chief, either you like it or not you nationalisation is going ahead. You can start to think of moving to Oz we will not miss you, Africa for Africans you son of a paedophile, Msono ka nyoko

  • Dominic - 2011-06-18 18:06

    Economic freedom = Get everything for free?

  • R.Suppards - 2011-06-18 18:06

    This puffed-up bag of fart is too fond of hearing his illconsidered views aired by ANY media that will give him space. He is little more than a TROLL, and his personal views should not be given the prominence they currently receive.

  • pirate.1970 - 2011-06-18 18:18

    For once I agree with the "Kindergarten SSS". Pity the Govt did not restrain themselves before entering this horror play. SA is already flooded by Asian, Middle-Eastern (read: Pakistan and co) and Chinese products and people with doubtful entry documents if any. They are running businesses under our noses with inferior products from their own countries. India saw a riot a week or two ago calling on its Govt to recall all the billions in loans abroad. China and India are among the top three or four countries who holds the world's strongest economies afloat, ie by the balls, through loans, yes, even the US! We are falling for the same trick. The "Kindergarten SSS" must just get a life and stop this non-sensical propaganda of nationalisation and land-grabbing. Plz, for once, we need the economy to be stable to build. There are plenty of Black people in this country who are making in-roads into business. These things come over time. No farmer, NOT ONE, got a farm for free - developed, implements, productive - but had to work hard at getting there and still struggling at times. No mine simply exists! Brains, gutts, investments and determination coupled with many frustrations get you there. Think AURORA and speak again. There is plenty of undeveloped arrable land in the country; there is a huge amount of land being wasted - and exploited by Black people - under control of Traditional Leaders. Many Black people who live in shacks near cities/major towns have family homes, built up

  • pirate.1970 - 2011-06-18 18:38

    Many of these people are allocated their own piece of land by the Headman and then go to the towns/cities to work, but return to their homes when possible. Their families have a roof over their heads. Come on let us be true to ourselves, their are people queing for RDP houses, for farms grabbed, mines nationalised, etc. because a culture was created to sit and wait for hand-outs. That is not how we will create jobs. Being creative, responsible and productive - in the workplace and business and not through sex and procreation, with respect - we will excell, by the Grace of God Almighty. I am in the 30/40 something group. I have a son, a wife and an extended family member to take care of. I don't sit and complain, we work as a family. Constructive building towards the future, more emphasis on education - solid education, not the Mickey Mouse stuff we see currently - more emphasis on moral values, and perhaps legislation to stop over-productivity of off-spring (screw human rights here, it is a stupid excuse for primal sex without responsibility!) and a re-think of our welfare/grant system may get us there. Have gutts and stop buying votes with hand-outs and promises. Have faith in the large populace to support you when you do the right thing. Man, we cannot continue to do stupid things, least of all be exploited by the BRIC Countries, NOR run after our African neighbours - that would be even more horrifying.

  • Lekala Enos - 2011-06-18 19:32

    But then after we took the land,how are we gonna use it for economic advancement?people were given land but it is not contributing to our economy by any means.How about the State getting shares from the mines and make the "historic-owners" of land stakeholders in such lands than do the same mistake done by our fellow Africans?

  • Ross - 2011-06-18 20:04

    Expropriate the farms and agriculture will come to an end. The co-operatives will close down and the suppliers to agriculture will go bankrupt. The Rand will devaluate al la Zimbabwe and mass starvation will be the order of the day. Expropriate the mines and the same will happen. These fools and their Zanu PF buddies will destroy this country.

  • Ross - 2011-06-18 20:08

    BRICS = 4 Dobermans and a mogrel

  • BOBBY - 2011-06-18 20:16

    julle wit naiers gaan nou kaak.ons jeug legue bedoel busigheig....die boerkaak gaan nou nou

  • Peter - 2011-06-19 07:55

    Interesting how a mindless uneducated bunch of uncivilized South African's are dictating policy for those that are not on the gravy train and actually work hard for their money. Interesting considering the mindless idiots who vote for the ANC but don't see the causal link.

      Oppressor - 2011-06-19 08:31

      Dont worry....soon they will all be starving and hopefully will start killing each other for food. I really cant wait!

  • knalpot - 2011-06-19 08:45

    Bludy Racist Incompetent Comrade Shivambu BRICS

  • Peter - 2011-06-19 09:04

    Economic freedom in our lifetime. This can only be brought about by hard work yet everyday we see the youth loitering on street corners etc. When offered a job the pay is not enough or the work is to hard. The policies of the ANC and the ideals of the youth league have created a environment of entitlement which results in South Africans being criticized for being lazy when historically they were known to be hard working. It is time the youth league grew up and realized that their policies have been proven around the world to be failures which have lead to abject poverty. They use the arguments of India and China with large state owned enterprises, yet the bulk of the populice remaisn in poverty or follow an agrarian economic lifestyle ( to clarify for the youth league, this means farming)

  • JadedJay - 2011-06-19 09:47

    Why did someone not bomb this conference to the heavens and take out the whole damn lot? I ask you...WHY???? Where are the right-wing extremists when you NEED them?

  • Jeansjunkie - 2011-06-19 10:13

    Floyd Shivambu is an unintelligent, ignorant moron!

  • mbali.mahlobo - 2011-06-19 14:24

    Dear News 24, I find the comments made by Floyd Shivambu, regarding the South African Government joing brics immature and ludicrous. As a country we have a number of challenges that we are expecitly not progressing fairly wel. I see not reason why South Africa should have waited on joining other member states that can put us into a glogal map gives us the opportunity to learn but more importantly an opportunity for the South African Government to improve their economic policies. The South African government has a free economic policy in that instant we need to be able to attract other investors to invest in the country and stop fooling ourselves that being excluded from global markets will make us a stronger nation. I agree that we need to establish trading relations with other African Countries, but within that process we need to be able to see what sets us apart from the global market, what trade developmental goals can we aspire into that will set us different and needed in the global economy. If we have similar investment opportunities and nothing set us differently, what is the point. The issue is growth, opportunities and development of African Countries and currently African countries are embedded with corruption, civil wars and lack of development opportunities, which sends a negative reflection to the world. The African Continent need to show that they can govern themselves, lead their countries into growing opportunites and enhance development. Regards Mbali

  • WIZZ - 2011-06-19 15:44

    It's funny how the spokespeople of ANC and ANCYL are certainly not chosen for their ability but for their lying and spin doctoring capabilities. They love to twist words and make total BS sound like the Gospel truth. Shame that these sweet talking snake-oil salemen cannot get jobs in the real world. Usile ! Hamba ! Go get a proper education and stop spreading more lies which divide our nation.

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