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'Shoot the boer' ruling - ANC puzzled

2011-05-16 22:40

Johannesburg - The ANC says it is "extremely disappointed and puzzled" by a High Court decision refusing it leave to appeal an earlier finding on the singing of a controversial struggle song containing the lyrics "dubula ibhunu" (shoot the boer).

It would now take the matter to a higher court.

"We are perturbed and shocked by the acting judge's decision as we believe that he appears to have misunderstood the nature of the relief which was sought by the ANC," the ruling party said in a statement on Monday.

Earlier, the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg ruled that the lyrics "dubula ibhunu" were prima facie incitement to murder.

In his order, Acting Judge Leon Halgryn said "... the publication and chanting of the words 'dubula ibhunu', prima facie satisfies the crime of incitement to murder".

This was an amendment to his original order that only contained the word "incitement" and formed part of a judgment that dismissed an attempt by the ANC to intervene in the matter and appeal his order.

Not over

The ANC said on Monday that it would now take the matter to a higher court.

"The African National Congress is extremely disappointed and puzzled with the ruling of the South Gauteng High court to refuse our request for leave to appeal an earlier finding by the same court relating to the singing of a freedom song (dubula ibhunu).

"The ANC had earlier approached the South Gauteng High Court to grant us leave to appeal its earlier ruling that the singing of the freedom song was unconstitutional and fitted the crime of incitement.

"We have thus instructed our lawyers to approach either the Full Bench of the South Gauteng High Court or the Supreme Court of Appeals to grant us the leave to appeal."

It remained the ANC's conviction that a different judge/court could have come to a different conclusion on the matter.

"In addition to his refusal to grant us leave to appeal his earlier finding... Acting Judge Halgryn went beyond the request before him and made a finding that the singing of the song incited the commission of murder and constituted hate speech," it said.

The judgment is separate to the ongoing Equality Court hate speech case by AfriForum against ANC Youth League (ANCYL) president Julius Malema after he sang the words several times last year.

It relates to two members of the Society for the Protection of the Constitution where one member, Mahomed Vawda, planned to use the words at an anti-crime march in Mpumalanga last year.

Comments
  • enrolics - 2011-05-16 22:50

    OMW, and when that judge from KZN said there was political meddling from Mbeki (for which he had now reason to) the ZUMA camp was all happy about it. F*ck these politicians. Bigots.

      kidblack - 2011-05-17 00:59

      its not a freedom song. its a murder song. get over it. anyway.. whats more pathetic than picking on a minority? well nothing really. for all the ballswinging these politicians do, they sure come across as kids on a playground.

      Blougroen - 2011-05-17 01:41

      You must be inherently racist to think it is okay to carry on singing this song in the new dispensation . . .

      Risen Ape - 2011-05-17 01:43

      My thoughts exactly, racist bigots. The ANC is starting to change into a far right organisation like the Nazis.

      Robnob - 2011-05-17 04:43

      Either racist of completely brainless! The problem is that the party members have got the impression that they are untouchable when it comes to the law.

      clark - 2011-05-17 06:27

      - Tell you what puzzles me in all this - the Anc want white taxpayers money, yet they want to kill us all . I wonder if any one has pointed this anomaly out to them ? For me , the length the Anc is going to in this matter is a clear message to us all ; Racial harmony is not on their agenda , By failing to acknowledge the courts ruling and moving on ,they are intent on sustaining the racial discord The anc is an evil entity, riddled with racism and hatred. Their motives and goals are sinister at best , genocidal more likely.

      slg - 2011-05-17 06:34

      Lekomonisis, you'll land up in jail buddy if you ignore the laws of the land.

      marco - 2011-05-17 06:59

      @lekomonisi We whites,blacks,indians and coloureds that make up South Afria are suppose to bury the hatchet,make peace between ourselves not stoke up the flames of hatred and ill will between us don't you get that.The fewer people of your and singer/racist Steve Hofmeyr's kind are left in our country the better for all us,you get me mate.Get over yourselves please,white or black no matter,and move on by making SA nicer for all its people regardless of their colour,race or creed.

      PrimaFacie - 2011-05-17 07:08

      Lekomonisis; what an idiot. Typical; shouting, emotionally out of control. Dig the grave buddy.

      KPActivities - 2011-05-17 08:13

      @lekomonisi idiot, did you not read the posting from Paulf, it is not even an anc song, but like all the anc buddies of yours who is busy stealing your money, you blindly still go on,,, we take,, we take, it's mine. Is this because your ego is a bit broken with the court ruling now you feel like you need to shout.

      DeonL - 2011-05-17 08:16

      Leko, Ha Ha, "Judge Leon Schuster"! You are watching too much movies, should rather work for a change.

      Felix - 2011-05-17 08:18

      I really hope they have the ability to track IP addresses at News24. They would be able to find this chicken Lekostuppid criminal and return the computer he stole.

      SayWhat? - 2011-05-17 08:34

      Leko - Classic example of a P@Es!

      Matt - 2011-05-17 08:46

      @ Leko - you need a hug... and to know about Jesus... racism doesn't pay, hatred only makes YOU bitter, not the other people!

      ThaTruth - 2011-05-17 09:01

      @lekomonisi...the Freedom Charter states that: There Shall be Peace and Friendship! In no way does the singing of this song encourage peace and friendship instead it fuels hatred and causes division amungst South African citizens. Ban this F@!k$n song.

      Jay - 2011-05-17 09:04

      @PaulF : thanks for the insight into the history of this song. Can Paul's infomation please be published in every paper country wide?? so we can all be informed, including papers read by the sheep that follow these song chanting idiots. IMAGINE white people sang a song like that about blacks? We would have a civil war on our hands.

      Benny66 - 2011-05-17 09:08

      @ Paulf. Thank you for your very illuminating back ground sketch. I wonder how many readers knew this? For my money they can make a case against our prezzies favourite "bring me my machine gun" as well! Why in heavens name in this day and age when we are desperately seeking peace and reconciliation would the leader of a so called civilised country want to sing such a song? Is his irresponsible actions in doing so not what encourages people like Malema to be who they are - irresponsible and racist. They say a company's performance is influenced by it's CEO and senior management. This is no different for a country - as we are currently witnessing.

      jwill - 2011-05-17 09:08

      paulf, If all the contents of your comment is factual, then I'm impressed by your research. In which case, I just hope that Afriforum presented all this info at the recent hearing. Somehow though, I doubt that they did....if we were to go by the daily media reports on the hearing. Surely it's not THAT difficult to verify the factual nature of these things.

      noremac - 2011-05-17 09:18

      where is poloyonki.I feel like laughing at something.....

      frederick777 - 2011-05-17 09:26

      OVER FIVE MILLION REASONS WHY I WILL NOT BE VOTING ANC There are over five million reasons why I will not be voting for the African National Congress (ANC) in the upcoming elections on 18 May 2011: 1. Over one million babies have been killed by abortion in South Africa - officially, legally, often with tax payers' money - since the ANC legalized abortion-on-demand, 1 February 1997. "Deliver those who are drawn toward death. And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter." Proverbs 24:11 2. Over 500,000 people have been murdered in South Africa since 1994 - under the ANC government - yet the ANC has steadfastly refused to consider re-instating the death penalty for murder. Nor have they been willing to put the matter to a referendum. "Bloodshed pollutes the land and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it." Numbers 35:33 3. Over one million women and children have been raped in the 17 years of ANC rule (and that is just using the reported rape statistics) - while pornography has been legalised. Reportedly, less than 7% of reported rapes result in convictions. "Why do people commit crimes so readily? Because crime is not punished quickly enough." Ecclesiastes 8:11 4. The ANC is soft on the criminals and hard on the victims of crime. Rather than fight crime effectively, the ANC have worked to disarm the potential victims of crime, denying firearm licenses to tens of thousands of law abiding citizens, and claiming that self-defence is not a legitimate reason for owning a firearm! Rather than support community initiatives to fight crime, the ANC have frustrated communities by demanding that security barriers be removed from crime-afflicted suburbs. "Stop doing wrong, learn to do right! Seek justice." Isaiah 1:16-17 5. The ANC's Ministry of Education has evidenced a generally hostile attitude to Christianity, insensitivity to the concerns of parents and prejudice against the Bible. Kadar Asmal's anti-Christian policies and the unworkable Outcomes Based Education curriculum 2005, dumbed-down education and turned government schools into recruitment centres for radical homosexual groups. "My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge." Hosea 4:6 6. The ANC's Affirmative Action, Black Economic Empowerment and blind support for Mugabe's racist and tyrannical policies have chased away investors and cost the South African economy millions of jobs. According to the JSE, the net worth of South Africa over the first 10 years of ANC rule shrunk by over 30%. And the Rand under the ANC has plummeted from R2 to the US dollar to R7 to $1. "Do not use dishonest standards...Use honest scales and honest weights...I am the Lord your God." Leviticus 19:35-36 7. Rates and taxes are higher and government services are lower. Despite increased rates and taxes the filthy, litter strewn, graffiti-vandalised communities testify to the incompetence of government. "You have been weighed on the scales and found wanting..." Daniel 5:27 8. Corruption has flourished under the ANC to such an extent that the ANC is being referred to in the streets as the Abortion, Nepotism and Corruption party. "They claim to know God but by their actions they deny Him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good." Titus 1:16 9. The endless propaganda and pornographic programmes on state TV - which is supported by compulsory "licences". "Who will rise up for Me against the wicked? Who will take a stand for Me against evildoers?" Psalm 94:16 10. The arrogance of so many in the ANC and the arbitrary manner in which they ride roughshod over the concerns and freedoms of others - such as the Minister of Health refusing to meet over a thousand concerned doctors; and how their ICASA has attempted to close down many Christian and community radio stations in South Africa. "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a disgrace to any people." Proverbs 14:34 The Bible instructs us to "select capable men from all the people - men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain - and appoint them as officials..." Exodus 18:21 Evidently ANC candidates fail to qualify on Biblical grounds. Mobilise Your Congregation to Think Before They Ink! The South African Biblical Issues Voters' Guide aims to inform Christians about the different political parties' track record and policies on pro-life, pro-family, and free enterprise issues.

      chris van rensburg - 2011-05-17 09:38

      @lekomonisi.Your remark of get the hell out to Holland England refer.Have you thought obout the idea of all the European countries sending all Africans back to Africa. You are in fact propagating Apartheid.Why do you not start such a movement to get all the white people back to Europe and the West,Indians,Chinese and other foreigners etc. back to their countries in exchange for all the Africans to be sent back to Africa.Then we can have the Homeland policy which you hated so much back again.

      Vernon - 2011-05-17 10:02

      @leko,you are a very angry person who needs lots love and tender care because you going to hurt someone.Chill dude,chill.

  • Steve Wonderboy - 2011-05-16 22:51

    Because the ANC are such morally upright, mature individuals it is completely beyond their comprehension how a judge can even think that to kill actually means to commit murder. Let us try a different tack. Let us sing kill Malema. But when I say kill Malema, I do not actually mean kill Malema. I merely mean that we should stop him from breathing for about 10 minutes. I'm sure he understands what I mean.

      ABBA - 2011-05-17 00:56

      @Steve Wonderboy. Steve we had so many people killed brutally by means of a Tyre Necklace in the name of, "Freedom"! Perhaps, singing, "Give Malema a Necklace" is more appropriate! I am sure that the words only refer to a necklace and nothing more!

      Creeky - 2011-05-17 05:00

      Which part if "KILL" is so difficult to comprehend???????

      justasaffer - 2011-05-17 07:56

      Love it!

      PB - 2011-05-17 09:35

      @Steve Wonderboy a case of Bells coming your way...

      MissRed - 2011-05-17 12:01

      Jip @PB I agree....Give that man a Bells!!!! a lot of bells!!!

      Allyhoo - 2011-05-17 12:32

      @ Steve - fantastic idea.. And I even like the "Give Malema a necklace", very catchy! Shall we pick a tune to sing it to and everyone can just start singing it wherever they are right now. Let's see how "puzzled" they will be then.

  • FarmerBrown - 2011-05-16 23:01

    The ANC should build houses with tax payers money , not go to court to defend singing about whom they want to kill. These politicians should be held accountable for the costs. SA is being run with baboon mentality.......... very sad !!

      Ching Ching - 2011-05-17 07:36

      Mnumzane- shows you how ignorant you are, chop. You have the baboon mentality if cannot tell the difference.

      RJL - 2011-05-17 07:45

      Mnumzane.. Your leaders, the people that set the example for the youth are singing a song that instructs the listener to kill a certain demographic. The rate of murders for that demographic is skyrocketing and happens on a daily basis, perpetrated by the very youth that is most impressionable. How blind can you be not to see the link between the two. None are so blind as those who do not wish to see.

      pop101 - 2011-05-17 08:24

      Mnumzane... you are wrong. Even if you sing the song quietly in your head, somebody on this planet somewhere will still be killed. You statement is therefore, fubar. The issue is, can the killing be connected to the song, that is the question. And according to this judge, it can. By not accepting judgement, shows your disrespect of the jurisdictional system in SA.

      Protest - 2011-05-17 10:03

      @ Mnumzane: We know that a song cannot kill. The song is part of the conditioning that precedes genocide. To dehumanize the target group via song, name calling, criminalizing, disinheriting, belittling and similar techniques is typical of the phase preceding the actual killing phase. Genocide can be a slow and extended process. This allows the killers and their masters more opportunity to hide the facts and to distance themselves from their actions. Over 3000 white farmers have been exterminated so far. Being a white farmer in South Africa is the most dangerous profession in the world. The dehumanizing of the Boer is now getting defended in court. Any judgement that does not meet the aggressor standards is rejected and as in this case, "The African National Congress is extremely disappointed and puzzled with the ruling of the South Gauteng High court..." Even if the courts find against the aggressor, they will defy the courts. Earlier in this forum: "NO JUDGE BLACK OR WHITE WILL STOP US FROM SINGING THAT SONG " The government keeps on blaming crime. At the same time, the ANC government is doing their best with the dehumanizing of the Afrikaner. Various race based laws. Referring to white politicians in dehumanizing derogatory names. Bottom line, the "Kill the Boer" song means exactly that. The judge made a good judgement.

      Kevin - 2011-05-17 11:38

      NO ,anc should not build houses.The people want a house ,they must build it themselves. This eish attitude is out of hand. What other country in the world builds it people houses. You can sing while you build but not your rubbish songs that idiots wrote

  • Eidel - 2011-05-16 23:02

    It is beyond my ablity to understand how the words kill the boer kill the farmer or one bullet one settler does not actually have that meaning.

  • Jelly - 2011-05-16 23:05

    Off course they are puzzled! You need at the very least 5 brain cells to even try to comprehend reason!!! Something they don't have? Stop raping my previous party of choice or you will continue to loose votes you morons!!!!

  • Keri - 2011-05-16 23:05

    All they need to do is look at the "1000000 Against Malema" page on facebook to see all the hate this kind of song has inspired! Catch a wake up ANC, a lot of your supporters take this song VERY literally!

  • Voidy - 2011-05-16 23:11

    lekker julle bliksems

  • JHK - 2011-05-16 23:12

    I cannot understand how the ANC deems it necessary to waste thousands of Rands to defend this crap. They have time to keep up with this stupidity, but areas that really need the attention of these so called "leaders" are put to one side. It boggles the mind, but then again I'm not on their "level" of comprehension.

  • Ralph - 2011-05-16 23:13

    What if we use the "K" word which really doesn't mean the "K" word to remind us of the past or perhaps fly the old South African flag which doesn't really mean the old South African flag or ------ eish!

      Jacques Jones - 2011-05-17 07:54

      in actual fact we should be able to use the k word as it is derived from arabic meaning infidel and was originally used for unbelievers of the muslim faith.

  • rimmoah - 2011-05-16 23:14

    why would the anc waste time and money on such a pointless excercise pursuing the right to sing such racist inciteful songs?these struggle songs had their place in apartheid,but 17 years into our democracy we should be celebrating and a non racial society where everyone has a place in the sun.given the hight crime rate and large number of murders committed on farms surely the anc cadres should not be pursuing this matter.but then perhaps we need to realise we are dealing with a government riddled with incompetent,corrupt self serving morons who pursue foolish interests with total disregard for the general populace

      Jimmy - 2011-05-17 09:09

      Ja - what happened to the 'Rainbow Nation" ? Didn't last long.

  • asiseeit - 2011-05-16 23:14

    Puzzled, because they are the ANC and how dare the law not listen to them......yep welcome to democracy, lets see how you handle this.

      Jacques Jones - 2011-05-17 07:55

      the problem is they have to be lucky once and get a ruling in their favour where as afriforum needs to be lucky the whole time.

  • PANNEVIS - 2011-05-16 23:15

    Maybe we do not understand them. They actually NEVER mean what they say.

  • bothma.marx - 2011-05-16 23:16

    The ANC doesn't know when to give up. Their arguments defy logic on all levels. They must think that they're gods... oh wait they already think so!!! This goes to show that they have no intention to create a peaceful country wherein the rights of all are protected. We have a right to security but they (THE ANC) are denying us our rights. They are actively looking for a war! I'm extremely worried!

  • Mundu - 2011-05-16 23:22

    Really?? Are these ANC morons for real? I hope the ANC are going to pay for all the courts time.

      PrimaFacie - 2011-05-17 07:10

      No, we will be paying for this circus.

  • Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-16 23:38

    Puzzled? IT MEANS IT'S AGAINST THE LAW, GENIUS! Thats YOUR LAW, to be precise.

  • Stox - 2011-05-16 23:44

    Can't let it go can you... Singing about killing a minority in the context of Africa? Read post colonial African history much?

  • cgtours - 2011-05-16 23:45

    ANC puzzled extremely dissapointed for not getting the nature of relief!! What about the Dubula ibhunu People they are referring to in this song!They want to take it to a higher court, we will take it to the World Court Now and the Hague and the United Nations (Hate Speech and Genocide) We are already listed as Level 5!and the world is starting to take NOTICE!Thuis has got to stop! Our constitution guarantees equality for all-no discrimination on religion/colour/ethnicity/minorities etc- WHERE IS THIS SOCALLED BEING PRACTISED WITH THESE BLATANT BLACK RASCISTS AND BLACK APARTHEID.AND ENCOURAGING RACIAL TENSIONS AND DIVIDE.!Every Rascist remark every rascist decision every rascist law/ fraud/nepotism/CRIME/MISMAGEMENT/we are sending to every Country of the WORLD AND IT IS BEING SENT FROM THERE to hundreds of thousands>IT WILL REACH MILLIONS SOONER OR LATER MAYBe high time for isolation and sanctions again and also travel restrictions on the government officials by International Countries who propogate this.We must now EXPOSE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON HERE.INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES SHOULD DISINVEST like they did during Apartheid. The ANC is actually the same but worse than the old Nats- they ANC cannot even deliver and FRAUD, Mismanagement like this Country has never seen- BLATANTLY stealing and spending Tax Payers money on their own luxury living/cars/houses/fancyhotels/RIDICULOUS SALARIES/OvERSEAS JAUNTS ON SHOPPING TRIPS(LIARS)fRAUDSTERS SITTING IN pARLEMENT(travelgate.

      Geo Farmer - 2011-05-17 04:05

      What you say makes sense, but why don't we as SA CITIZENS impose own sanctions on the ANC REGIME.We could financially cripple them in a short period of time,by withholding VAT and other TAXES,and paying it into TRUST ACCOUNTS and only transferring it to the CORRUPT ANC REGIME when they COMPLY with Internationally recognized GOVERNMENTAL STANDARDS!!!

      ruadrauflessa - 2011-05-17 06:51

      @Geo Farmer: Problem being if you withhold your taxes and pay only when they comply you will never pay taxes again..... Also by not paying and crippling the government you actually shoot yourself in the foot as our currency will also go down the drain with the government of the day. @cgtours: I hear you but it is not a simple matter of international sanctions. Sanctions which is already imposed on a lot of African countries. Only thing that happens is the Chinese sees an opportunity to invest. They already own most of Africa in any case. And these idiots in Africa are too blind to nice what is right under their noses.

      Krolie - 2011-05-17 09:26

      @Geo Farmer. I'm afraid they will get to that money as well. They have the resources. The money will have to go out of the country.

  • Benzo - 2011-05-16 23:46

    The real question is: Is there enough time to populate this hieger court with enough ANC supporters to get it "right" for whatever "right" is for whoever.

  • Benzo - 2011-05-16 23:53

    "Shoot the boer' ruling - ANC puzzled"... They might be equally puzzled about the outcome of the elections in a few days time.

      Ivan - 2011-05-17 07:39

      Unfortunately they will keep winning elections, Benzo. The people who comment here are mostly educated intelligent people. Thats not the ANC's prime constituancy. They depend on the mindless masses who are actually supporting this vile song and the mindless leaders who sing it.

      henk maritz - 2011-05-17 07:53

      The ANC will have another landslide victory. The DA (my party) puts up posters with a white woman. 1) No traditional black man wants a woman boss. 2) the average black person thinks that the DA is an apartheid/white party. I don't understand how anyone with brains in the DA does not see that. Put in a black guy (with brains) to be the head of the DA, there are many who vote for the DA and understand how the ANC are typical African self-enriching idiots. Then you'll immediately win hundreds of thousands of votes. In other words: the ANC supporters don't feel they've got another black party to vote for. Even if they're unhappy with the ANC, they don't want to be under "white" rule again. Manage the expectations. It's not that difficult. But until then, the poor (who don't read the internet and News 24) will vote for (probably the most idiotic) party that rules.

  • MattQ4 - 2011-05-16 23:53

    The struggle for freedom has become the struggle to understand. Here's an idea. Why not skip the high court battle and use the money to put some members of your constituency through agricultural college. Build farmers instead of destroying them. Boer = Farmer. These are people who GROW FOOD for us. They need our support not our threats. The saddest thing about Malema is that with his charisma he could have actually had support from more communities if he had wanted to grow unity instead of sowing discord.

      Martin du Plessis - 2011-05-17 00:02

      .... Am i correct in assuming that with this comment you hope for some kind of LOGICAL train of thought to eminate from the ANC? Hold on while i call the enterprise to come and document this historic event for humanity. Captain Picard will be most interested in what is probably the emergence of a new sub-atomic particle never before seen. or it'll creat a space-time paradox which will anihalate the entire galaxy in 3.72 seconds.

      apie - 2011-05-17 08:14

      Boer does not actually mean farmer. In the context that they sing it it applies to all white people.

      Valkerie - 2011-05-17 11:29

      @ Martin du Plessis: You forgot about the Prime Directive? This group does not have warp capability yet, and it is doubtful that they'd ever have it unless they steal it. Nope, some time will have to pass before we will see any kind of peace and harmony happening. Too many of the olde generations' folks are still alive and contributing to the indoctrination (from all sides). We can't hope for a miracle, but we can hope to work towards a gradual change over time. Nothing lasts forever, and the citizens are getting restless.

  • Mr Dinkelmann - 2011-05-16 23:57

    The problem with the majority of people in this country is when the A N C says the sun rises in the west they all believe them. There is no independent thinking or reasoning like sheep to the abbattoir.

      Gatvol - 2011-05-17 03:10

      The struggle for freedom has become the struggle to find brain cells. That's what's going on here.

      allie - 2011-05-17 08:37

      We will never be able to reason with them,so it`s best to distance ourselves from them. Susseed is the answer.It will happen,but not in our lifetime.

  • croix - 2011-05-17 00:03

    As I'm sure you are puzzled by the sun rising and the rain and well .... most things in life? How can you be surprised at this - it has been previously classified as 'hate speech'. Stop wasting taxpayers' money on stupid court cases, you chops. Contrary to what you want to believe, the courts are the HIGHEST AUTHORITY in the land!

      Wes - 2011-05-17 04:37

      Well they are puzzled by lightning

      Airwolf - 2011-05-17 08:52

      They will also be puzzled when they lose more municipalities to the DA tomorrow.

  • tokoloshe - 2011-05-17 00:04

    Just shows the world and the whole of South Africa where Jacob Zuma's priorities lie!!!!! Defending hate speech which promotes murder on whites!!

      Matt - 2011-05-17 08:50

      Sad thing is, the rest of the world doesn't care... I've sent info to overseas media when things were hotting up last year, they don't even respond, let alone write articles...

  • ABBA - 2011-05-17 00:43

    Who forgot to pay the Judge? You bloody corrupt agent! No money for pooh-pooh house, no money for Judge,Eish very puzzling!

  • Blougroen - 2011-05-17 01:29

    More or less the reaction you would expect from people who put the party above the state and conveniently forgets that all South Africans agreed a new constitution that changed everything that went before. You can’t blame whiteys for apartheid and claim the moral high ground and then turn a blind eye when your cohorts actively encourage the killing (or create an environment) of a specific group of citizens.

  • SaTyRLoliCoN - 2011-05-17 02:26

    To the twats at News24 who keep deleting the "TamaraSAYS" comments, please go die in a fire. She is one of the few sensible people who post constructive comments here. If you are reacting to reports or complaints from ANC-loving trolls, you are idiots. You guys leave all sorts of racist, sexist opinions and comments here for weeks on end, without deletion. Perhaps you are scared of real intellectual debate, from an intelligent person. Level up. Thanks.

      White Oak - 2011-05-17 06:09

      Same goes for me...my post which does not insult any person only stay up for a few minutes then - pooof! gone! Can't handle the truth N24?

      allie - 2011-05-17 08:40

      Who do you think controls NASPERS?

      Matt - 2011-05-17 08:53

      Yeah, and just try explaining the relationship between Communist Mänifesto, 10 Wäys to Overthrow a Stäte (both by Karl Marx) and reality, plus how anti-Christian both really are. Without adding funny symbols to the names, News24 delete them too - yet I don't write anything hateful, just the truth...

  • slg - 2011-05-17 03:28

    There comes a time in any organization when a line is crossed and it serves itself more than the people it was formed to serve. Clearly this line has been crossed by the ANC. To want to keep wining such a vile and obviously inciteful song shows how little it truly cares about South Africa.

      slg - 2011-05-17 03:30

      "Wining" should be "singing"

      Geo Farmer - 2011-05-17 04:09

      SO RIGHT YOU ARE !!!

      Donald - 2011-05-17 04:17

      if winning is singing, THE AFRIKANER will win boots and all. If the ANC wants to stick to its chosen road of incitement to blatant racism (did the judge say that too?), the Afrikaans speaking part of our society will be alieniated further. Much further. Steve Hofmeyer has wisely started the 1st phase of the Afrikaners divisionary remembrance/fight, which will divide our society much further. Malema only cares for [power...with guns if necc...]and is insulting our Father-of-Peace, Madiba. Come now, Father, time to speak again! And Zuma? take another wife, it will solve all problems!

  • Blip - 2011-05-17 04:17

    Puzzled? Why?

  • Benjamin - 2011-05-17 04:40

    Doesn't take much to puzzle the ANC....what a bunch of d!ckheads

  • lightning - 2011-05-17 04:45

    The ANC says it is "extremely disappointed and puzzled" Always racist No reconciliation Clueless This is what ANC stands for!

      Mnumzane - 2011-05-17 07:21

      What reconciliation are talking about. ANC extended their hands for reconcilliation to the Apartheid regime and to people like yourself but what they get in return - the boers folded their arms and refused to shake the ANC's hand. If I were you I was going to thank the ANC for not reversing apartheid to white people.

      JohnyBlue - 2011-05-17 07:31

      Mnumzane, First off all, the hand was extended by FW and the SA people in a referendum, the ANC did nothing but destroy the good faith we bestowed on them. Secondly, it is the first time I can recall a believable remark by an ANC member "we are puzzled". Indeed you are, but I knew all along.....

      regularguy - 2011-05-17 07:46

      Mnumzane I think you live in some part of south africa in which I would love to stay!! No turned around apartheid? What do you call affirmative action? What do you call the singing of this song? Whould you like the Afrikaners to start singing Steves song at every possible venue? Why is it that you and your ANC comrades cant except that some of your ways are not the right ways. Do you really think that everything that you think or say MUST be okayed just because you are the majority ? Just as the Afrikaner bent backwards and allowed you to take over a lot of stuff, some good but most went sour, you as blacks must realize that you must also give up some of your past for a better future for this country. Is that to much to ask??/

      pop101 - 2011-05-17 08:33

      Actually, Mnumzane and JohnyBlue, the first hand that was taken out of the pocket and extended towards reconciliation was the hand of PW "the crocodile" Botha. Whether he would have gone through with power sharing etc. is not for us to decide. FW took over after PW got sick, and actually implemented and kicked off negotiations. I really don't know how people can say "the ANC gave me freedom". There is no prove of this. It takes two or more parties to reconciliate...and this one happened under tremendous international pressure.

      PB - 2011-05-17 09:59

      @mnumzane "the ANC extended their hands..." not for reconcilliation, but for taking without paying. "thank the ANC for not reversing apartheid..." Dude, you have absolutely NO braincells. What effect do you think BEE and all the other acronyms actually entail?

  • zoli - 2011-05-17 04:53

    Keep on fighting this is our song we will sing no matter wht.

      Allieo - 2011-05-17 05:32

      that's it make short stupid statements the way you do......

      slg - 2011-05-17 06:28

      The zol is making you stubborn and dumb

      dewet.v.rooyen - 2011-05-17 07:17

      The point is that it's not "YOUR" song. It's nowhere to be found in "YOUR" ANC heritage. Saying that it's your heritage is a nothing more than front to qualify your racist agenda. GET OVER APARTHEID! IT'S LONG GONE!

      JohnyBlue - 2011-05-17 07:43

      Zoli, you are a sad, sad individual. Tell me this, what does your Bible say about ancestral spirits?Can you worship God Almighty and at the same time fear your ancestors? No you can't. BTW the only way of getting into heaven is through the Son. Anybody that tells you he can get you into heaven is a false prophet - unless he himself is Jesus Christ. Anyone believing and supporting the rhetoric of a false prophet will surely go the other way (hell). Put that in your pipe and smoke it, I for one will try my best to live a good live, I look forward to a heaven filled with real Christians.

      @Tom - 2011-05-17 07:56

      @Mnumzane you'll get a supprize when you get to heaven only to find that it is a place where every nation tribe and tongue stand in unity and harmony from all walks of life and COLOR does not matter, because we are not defined by our skin color!!! Do you know how thin your skin is?? What happened to the legacy Nelson Mandela left and what he dreamed about for so many years?? sadly this is not the legacy the ANC is upholding sowing division, hatred, racism.... #so sad!

      Ching Ching - 2011-05-17 07:59

      You probably smoked some zol, trol.

      pop101 - 2011-05-17 08:36

      Mnumzane, I looked up quees, and all google can tell me is that it is Spanish for "What is she" or "What is he".

  • LagUTroll - 2011-05-17 06:01

    ANC will just keep trying to choose a new Judge until they get a ruling they like.

  • Cas - 2011-05-17 06:08

    If only the ANC would spend so much energy in sorting out the police force as they are in trying to justify this song, we would live in a crime free country.

  • Slapper - 2011-05-17 06:22

    Just shows how thick in the head that the ANC is?

  • 8lack8ear - 2011-05-17 06:40

    By now it should be very clear to all white South Africans how much the ANC care for you as a people. When they can go to a court off law to win the right "sic" to use racist insightful remarks against you. These people are not stupid and they are not idiots. They know exactly what they are doing and they will keep doing it.

  • WoodworkPh.D - 2011-05-17 06:46

    If you keep singing it, the white gevaar will start singing their liberation songs. It will contain words you don't like. You will be reminded it must be seen in context.

  • anthro45@24.com - 2011-05-17 06:55

    I am puzzled with the fact that the ANC has the brainpower to be puzzled.

      Felix - 2011-05-17 09:36

      I was wondering if there was a time they weren't puzzled.

  • Slumdog - 2011-05-17 07:00

    Go on and vote for your ANC. Give them a victory of of 70% or more. Let's drive this once prosperous country into the ground. The masses will die of hunger and drown in the drivel of their leaders. We as the white nation of RSA have built this place from nothing to where it's been 16 years ago - look at now. In 4-5 years from now there will be nothing left again and what then....? Returning to the whities and ask for their help to built it up again. No way GFY!!!!

  • Peter - 2011-05-17 07:00

    When the judiciary of the country no longer supports the needs of the ruling party you simply scrap the established system, and institute another 'more understanding' system. LOL!

  • marco - 2011-05-17 07:02

    We whites,blacks,indians and coloureds that make up South Afria are suppose to bury the hatchet,make peace between ourselves not stoke up the flames of hatred and ill will between us don't you get that.The fewer people of your and singer/racist Steve Hofmeyr's kind are left in our country the better for all of us.Get over yourselves please,white or black no matter,and move on by making SA nicer for all its people regardless of their colour,race or creed.

      Nikkelb - 2011-05-17 07:16

      You go tell that to the ANC Marco - Rather ask - who is trying and who has an ANCestorial agenda!!!

  • Catherine - 2011-05-17 07:07

    Lekomonisi, so it's then ok for white people to go around referring to blacks using the K-word? Grow a brain, or failing that, at least grow up. As long as you're singing songs like that, how can you expect this country to move forward? And by the way buddy, those 'Boers' you're all so dead keen on shooting are the ones keeping this country afloat, financially. Ever heard about biting the hand that feeds you? Moron.

  • umlaut - 2011-05-17 07:11

    This questioning of the court ruling by the "puzzled" anc is actually an official statement by the anc that a minority group must be wiped out. What more do we need to present a case to the world court?? Is there a lawyer out there to spell it out for us??? The anc is so far off the set out track that Mandela envisaged, that I won't be surprised if MANDELA VOTED DA. (His forefarthers told him so)

  • trainsmash - 2011-05-17 07:11

    As a democratic not racial ruling party the ANC, should seek the votes of all who live in this beatifull land. It should seek ways to alter the route of racial devide and harmonise all its people in the Madiba spirit and work towards proper goals of getting good education to the this generation so that the next and the next to follow can become better citizens and have a spirit of giving and not taking. I believe in the good in all humans and that only a party that is willing to grow the good in people and not entice the bad will remain. There are good leaders in the ANC and they should now step forward and make their real voices heard. Stop following the fools and stop giving them the attention they seek, it makes them strong and more corrupt. Hear this - on your current path you will NOT lead us to a better future for all and you will not remain in power forever.

  • kolobe - 2011-05-17 07:13

    whats backing the judge's ruling?awb?we will soon sort the matter out

      Felix - 2011-05-17 09:37

      You are giving away your trolling, put more effort in.

      Sho Fukamachi - 2011-05-17 10:27

      "we will soon sort the matter out" good luck, you think that because you're ANC you mean something? you don't.

  • daaivark - 2011-05-17 07:13

    Why perturbed and shocked. Leave to appeal has never been automatic, even for bullies.

  • Ernie Pretorius - 2011-05-17 07:16

    I'm white. So, if the rest of the white people want to hate me. Then go ahead. I don't support them singing "Shoot The Boer" by I support Malema's freedom of speech. And through that freedom of speech it is his right as a South-African. South Africa is a democracy. If we all want to start censoring what the other says. Then we aren't a democracy. Then we're no better than communists. I don't support the song. But, it's his freedom of speech that is under attack here. Freedom of Speech!!!!!!!!!!!

      slg - 2011-05-17 07:22

      Freedom with responsibility is the way of a mature human being.

      slg - 2011-05-17 07:25

      Freedom with responsibility is the way of a mature human being

      william.botha - 2011-05-17 07:27

      Oh really, so saying the K word is all right then?

      tkotze - 2011-05-17 07:39

      Under normal circumstances you would have a very valid point. There are at least one book on political scenarios which is very similar to that of our own, and they have a very relevant topic. After a country has gone through such a major change like that of South Africa rules need to be tightened to put a halt to the people of the country's aggresive methods of getting what they want. In the replacement of a government with a freedom fighting political group some freedoms need to be taken away to allow normality to return to the country. In a civilised world where countrymen accept each other people like Malema will not have any support, but in a country where people still have deep scars to either side people still hang onto the words to the like of Malema. This does not help us going forward, and at the end of the day this is where the country is. We need to get a pride back as a nation beyond racial lines, respect each other, and all of us are just human, and constantly throwing fuel in the fire will not help the fire to die a natural death. So being white, I am not against your thoughts in essence, neither will I be crucifying you - just remind you that there is more needed in this country than complete freedom of speech, at least for now.

      regularguy - 2011-05-17 07:58

      Yes I agree Ernie that freedom of speech is a good thing. However, When that freedom of speech is used by anyone for other purposes it becomes a problem. Malema is insulting other people, Malema is playing mind games with those who follow him and is promoting a "war" on whites. You must always keep in mind that most of the the people that supports him havent had much education and do not think before they do something. That will be a sad day when they do start killing whites just because Malema says its fine

      clark - 2011-05-17 10:29

      - Ernie - here's the glaring flaw in your argument - while one can support the freedom of speech rights for any one individual, that same right can never be afforded to a political party to promote/ incite hatred and encourage the obliteration of any other race group,especially if they are a minority group. Your argument fails.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-05-17 11:55

      Freedom of speech does not allow one to scream "Fire" in a crowded hall. Freedom is one side of the page, and Responsibility is the other side.

      realist101 - 2011-05-17 12:14

      @ Ernie Pretorius is an troll, or he is just...... No i call troll!!!!

  • Viv - 2011-05-17 07:23

    Wonder if the whites created a struggle song called "Kill the K@ffir" if this song would be able to be sung without the black people of South Africa going balistic. The whites after all are now struggling to survive so we should be able to have our own sturggle song too. Fair is fair neh?

  • Kryvirjou@24.com - 2011-05-17 07:25

    @lekomonisi......I wont be leaving, I'll rather stay to piss you off....you such a big CHOP......and you dont have to shout in your message, we all know blacks shout when the talk, so we stying......if singing the song at the stadium thrills you, sing it.....then we all, black and white can see how immature your brood of people are.......so we will sing you a hymn, F@@@ him.

  • skully - 2011-05-17 07:25

    Nothing puzzling about it Mr ANC. Yes Lekomonisi you will get a black judge to reverse it, but the current ANC and DA have reversed roles from the Nats and ANC of old - ANC is now promoting racial hatred and DA is promoting principles practiced by Mandela - Godzille is quite right in her assessment. We are heading for big s@#t in ths country if we don't find another statesman like Mandela to lead us - the current ZumaMalema idiocracy can only find it in their psych to sing songs like this and the "bring me my machine gun" version - they don't have the leadership qualities to to do what really needs to be done.Leadership in this country has deteriorated since Mandela - if the likes of Juju are next, God help us all.

  • william.botha - 2011-05-17 07:25

    It don't take much to puzzle the ANC. Hauw.