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Stand down, Mazibuko tells Zuma

2012-05-30 20:24

Cape Town - Democratic Alliance parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko was heckled and jeered by ANC MPs on Wednesday as she urged President Jacob Zuma not to stand for a second term in office.

Zuma sat expressionless as Mazibuko challenged him in the National Assembly over his leadership and said he was "often forced to bow" to the ANC's allies.

"It is clear to every South African that the president's failure to lead has paralysed his ability to govern," Mazibuko said in a speech that was interrupted four times by her opposing MPs on points of order.

"I believe the president has failed to provide South Africa with justification as to why he should seek a second term, when his first term has fallen so far short of even the lowest expectations.

"Honourable president, for the sake of our country, will you put aside self-interest and not make yourself available for re-election?" Mazibuko asked.

She said Zuma was often forced to bow before "an unelected Congress of SA Trade Unions and others".

Zuma was unable to drive policy that ran counter to the interests of the disparate factions that brought him to power, she said.

"By declaring himself unavailable for re-election, the president will not face the relentless pressure of trying to secure his position in what is set to be a brutal and protracted struggle for power," said Mazibuko.

"He would be free to govern as head of state and not be constrained by his party’s alliance partners who have done so much to frustrate him."

Mazibuko said Zuma would never be able to stamp his authority on his government because factions within the ANC did not share a common purpose.

A president and a government could lead only when they spoke with one voice and acted as one, she said.

"The president should be president of us all, not just the ANC. And he must govern in the interests of all; not only the ANC and its alliance partners."

South Africa, she said, was "crying out" for leadership and direction.

"In these difficult days, we look to the president to give the nation hope to overcome despair. Yet he has failed to match the power of his office with a sense of purpose.

The president's attention had been diverted from his duties.

Energy spent on organising a march to the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg over a "satirical" painting of him had distracted from the serious work of government.

"Once again, representatives of the ANC, and some of its ministers, are attempting to close down the space for freedom of expression through bullying and intimidation," she said.

Comments
  • gregory.forbes - 2012-05-30 20:33

    It once again raises the debate over a further separation of powers - a presidential candidate that is elected into the position separate from the election process for parliament. The president and his executive should be elected separately so that the president is not governed by the parliamentary majority, but provides another check-and-balance element for governing matters.

      mihaip007 - 2012-05-30 21:08

      Polyo - your comment reflects zuma's spear from a mile...! THAT is why we have such imagery depcited of people like zuma! Because the first thing you do is discuss sex regarding a woman who expressed her opinnion in an impecable english, while you can only resort to low demining type of linog..! idiot...

      Werner - 2012-05-30 21:12

      How did my clean comment get removed but poloyatonki's sexist insulting remark stays?

      phillip.meyer.56 - 2012-05-30 21:12

      @ Poloyatonki “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” - Winston Churchill Wow Winston must have talked to you and your fellow Comrades before he made such profound statement.

      John - 2012-05-30 21:27

      @Polyanchunky: your backwardness is matched only by your obtuse sexism. You belong elsewhere but here

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-30 21:31

      @Poloyatonki , o lepara sani

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-30 21:37

      @ Poloyatonki.. She's no more fatter than our obese Wotsisname .. that funny fat little clown who is more confused and nutty as a Christmas cake.I think his name is Zoomer or banger or Balls Out..something like that anyhow and BTW..you would be able to roll over him five..or even perhaps 6 times. Your comment is rude and uncalled for so this is just a tit for tat.

      malcolm.molver - 2012-05-30 22:29

      Werner, the reason is simple. News24 condones idiotic and racist comments from ANC supporters, but deletes innocent comments. Trust me, this has happened many times before!

      Sharon - 2012-05-30 22:54

      polly - the only thing you have sex with is a goat,dont insult this woman

      Luviwe - 2012-05-30 23:24

      Why insult lindiwe mavarara ndini. You hve no shame. She's still an african child even though you don't agree with her. It's a fact Zuma can not lead.

      John - 2012-05-30 23:26

      Looks like pollywantsacracker deleted his comment

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-30 23:44

      WOW!!!! With the size of this woman's balls, I think Zille should hand over DA leadership to her! I would vote for Mazibuko anytime! She clearly has the entire countries interest at hart. She would make an excellent president! She is not stuck in apartheid like all these ANC MP's. Racist this and apartheid that! She has a fresh mindset which the country to benefit from extremely well! Please Zille... Do the right thing and hand over leadership to this dapper woman! Maybe if the ANC blacks see that the DA has a black leader and they do not have to worry about their fear of another apartheid, just maybe the DA could win the next presidential elections!

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 04:58

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      danny.levin.351 - 2012-05-31 07:09

      Gregory, that system works in first world countries. Sadly, the majority of South Africans see the mob-power as being a representation of democracy so it will not work here. furthermore, implementing this system will take away the ability of certain people to propell their favourite candidate to power (" I will K1ll for Zuma", remember?) so tha they can later hold him to task and get away with their corrupt tendencies. you are so right, but it will never happen here

      russell.w.wright.5 - 2012-05-31 07:44

      Very well said DelusionBuster.

      Thabang - 2012-05-31 12:13

      I have just poked Lindiwe on facebook and she poked me back:-)

      Denise - 2012-05-31 16:39

      Who is the greater fool?.....the FOOL..or the one who follows the FOOL?!

      Denise - 2012-05-31 19:03

      President Kennedy chased Marilyn Monroe (and others) all round the White House, yet still had the energy to stare down the Commies, stop them using Cuba as a nuclear missile launch and thwarted a Third World War set-up. Winston Churchill’s life-long love affair with scotch is well known, yet he was lucid enough to defeat the Nazis with tireless military efforts, as well as using his brilliant oratory skills to buoy the flagging fighting spirits of Britain and occupied Europe. But not our leader. He can’t even get the lights to work even though history has placed him in extraordinary times. Mr Zuma, instead of just talking about something, the other disease of Africa, do you think you could actually do something to stop criminals and your gangster government running amok with impunity? I don’t want to be seen as a whingeing white or anything else you use as a perennial excuse to deflect criticism of your non-performance. I just don’t want to see the further bananafication of SA & the terrorisation of its citizens by criminals & crooked people that you call colleagues. Mr Zuma (I find it hard to write president) you could have presided over the first real African success story. Instead, many are saying that their pessimistic vision of yet another African country in decline is coming true. So to be constructive, RESIGN TODAY; you’ve failed your people. Apparently the Wilderness is a great place for yesterday’s men with bankrupt ideas to hide out. Again, bloody do something!

      Aj - 2012-06-01 14:30

      I for one do not want an unconnected president. the president must lead the country by showing leadership to those that were elected below him/her. this is the path to a disclipined executive and government. instead of bowing to the partners to get elected and then dancing like a puppet to their demands. not every anc voter is a cosatu member, for instance, still the anc policies must include the union so in effect all anc now costatu. if the party follows the president instead of the president the party things would go better

  • prakash.singh.169 - 2012-05-30 20:34

    Well said Lindiwe. It would not be too long when you will be the first lady to be President of South Africa. You have courage and yes, your university degrees speak for itself. You go lady.

      Michele - 2012-05-30 20:51

      Sadly her request will fall on deaf ears, JZ will not go because he fears facing corruption charges again ( how he got off the first time still remains a mystery of course ) and landing his backside back in jail where it belongs. Naturally he would not go down alone and we would have to hold parliament sessions at Leeuwkop prison ! lol

      Kolobe - 2012-05-30 21:13

      humanity degrees? very lame

      Christopher - 2012-05-30 21:48

      Lindiwe...you are a beautiful woman and have such a lovely posture. I want to take photos of you for free. I will get the best designers and the best stylist and we shoot you for any magazine you wish to be in!! That I can organise very easily. Well done for standing up for the rights of the people of this country, for the rights of the womwen of this country, for the rights of the children of this country...Well done!!

      John - 2012-05-30 22:46

      @ kolobe: much better than your woodwork 'degree' I'm sure

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-30 23:39

      This reminds me of the episode where she said "the half of you in this house are dumber than donkeys".. upon which she was called to order and instructed to withdraw the statement. She happily responded by saying.. Allright..The half of you in this house are not as dumb as donkeys... Fantastic finese.

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-05-30 23:44

      WOW!!!! With the size of this woman's balls, I think Zille should hand over DA leadership to her! I would vote for Mazibuko anytime! She clearly has the entire countries interest at hart. She would make an excellent president! She is not stuck in apartheid like all these ANC MP's. Racist this and apartheid that! She has a fresh mindset which the country to benefit from extremely well! Please Zille... Do the right thing and hand over leadership to this dapper woman! Maybe if the ANC blacks see that the DA has a black leader and they do not have to worry about their fear of another apartheid, just maybe the DA could win the next presidential elections!

      sydney.l.butler - 2012-05-31 06:29

      Or maybe she can just be president, maybe you can be first husband :P

      Msika - 2012-05-31 11:25

      Well said indeed! But it's only a matter of time before she will be labeled a racist, just watch the space.

  • Kolobe - 2012-05-30 20:35

    anything but zuma #asijiki

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 04:59

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Merven - 2012-05-31 08:23

      That is the problem, is there anyone in the ANC that can actually lead the country without self enrichment in mind?

  • Sharmay - 2012-05-30 20:36

    Give Lindiwe Mazibuko a Bells!

      Werner - 2012-05-30 21:01

      Johnnie Blue!!

      Msika - 2012-05-31 11:29

      Ja, I agree!! Give her a Bells because she has some Balls.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 18:57

      @Craig, you should be the last one to speak about weight. Remember your mamma was is so fat, when she sit, she sit next to everybody! Your sister is so ugly, when she looks in the mirror, the mirror cracked! not too mention your father that is still rehabilitating from drugs and alcohol for the last 60 years!

      Nicolaas - 2012-06-01 22:52

      @Craig, please read carefully, your grandfather is my granfathers personal snot pot, he spits his snot and phlegm on him. Your mother left your dad for a dog, that why you are called a pavement special. Why do you refuse to acknowledge you have a sister? She is called the bycicle of the the township because everybody rides her!

  • bernpm - 2012-05-30 20:37

    Tough talk! But -given the events of the last months- a mix of coming from the heart and political expediency: a valid plea!.

  • Jean - 2012-05-30 20:38

    This lady is so spot on, on everything she says... Really someone to admire, perfect person to lead South Africa!

      Werner - 2012-05-30 20:52

      Can't agree more!!!

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-30 21:44

      wait till "the correct" candidate kicks her ass like they did Uncle Joe Seremane. Maybe she might lead a faction of the DA ( DA Mazibuko) like MDC Mutambara

      sipho.nkruma - 2012-05-30 22:14

      jean,YOU dont know a damn thing about democracy if you think that she is spot on? what she did is ILLEGAL in a real democracy. attempting to circumvent the out come of another party is what she did,and it would have at the least gotten her CENSORED in an established democracy. you know NOTHING about democracy if you think that she is correct or spot on as you say!there is NOTHING democratic about medelling in the affiars of another party. you wouldnt know anything about that,because you dont know anything about democracy. you people who hate the leader ship of the ANC will tell any lie that suits your purpose. it is not her right politically or DEMOCRATICALLY to tell the member of another party to stand down from elections. THAT is as UN-DEMOCRATIC as it gets!

      John - 2012-05-30 23:49

      @sipho : Sipho, you know the saying, "rather keep quiet and look ignorant than open you mouth and remove all doubt?". At least look at the definition of 'democracy' on www.dictionary.com , learn about freedom of speech, then perhaps do some reading on whom is in parliament and how it works. Then come back and offer at least some semblance of an informed opinion. Friendly advice.

      Jean - 2012-05-31 01:41

      @mgayi...Faction? Oh you mean like ANC malema, ANC zuma, ANC sexwale, ANC kgalema, ANC vavi. Ja the anc is really showing us a thing or 2 on working together (sarcasm). \r\n@sipho, so far 21 people had a good laugh, (excluding me) 5centsworth pretty much said it all.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:00

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      indianajohn - 2012-05-31 08:39

      Wow sipho. lol I can assure you that you are the one knows nothing about democracy. You've just proven it. I usually get angry at ignorant responses like yours but this one is so ridiculous I'm laughing!

      Kyle - 2012-05-31 08:55

      Wow sipho and mgayi. There will be no arguing with you guys today. Some of us feel the need to make sense when we try and make a point! Not just verbalise random statements in the hope that others will understand it!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:18

      Sipho.nkruma. we know a damn lot more about democracy than you do. Go learn.

      wo0two0t - 2012-06-01 09:59

      @sipho - Facepalm Please go get help.

      George - 2012-06-01 14:49

      Sipho you are so brainwashed! Also your definition of democracy is so way off it is scary.I feel sorry for you.

  • jmareletse - 2012-05-30 20:38

    I 200% agree...he made enuf fool of hmslf

  • braamc - 2012-05-30 20:38

    The worst president this country ever had

  • Kolobe - 2012-05-30 20:38

    she must watch her weight...dont understand why zapiro is obsessed with depicting malema as fat and have a s slim

      Sharmay - 2012-05-30 20:46

      Want Lindiwe is sommer baie slim :)

      lydonmcg - 2012-05-30 20:53

      Trust an ANC supporter to have nothing valid to rebut her arguments with and instead point out her weight. A true sign of the uneducated band of fools "leading" our country.

      Werner - 2012-05-30 20:54

      Because Ms. Mazibuko is an asset to our country, instead of an embarrassing liability!

      Charnelle - 2012-05-30 20:56

      Again. The weight factor? You a Cosmopolitan reader by any chance? Just like in the movies... Then again, Zuma has his own little Soap Opera with all his wives and all... Days of our Waves.

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-30 20:57

      Jealousy will get you everywhere - In the Black culture it is a sign of wealth.

      Robi - 2012-05-30 21:13

      Kolobe, u talk of weight why don't you go to Nkandla & tell us how many props and hookers u find??? So many lady sumo wrestlers in ANC than any other political party; but that is not what is important, but what she is saying, which is true. I would say ANC needs a new leader, and the country does too. The party is deteriorating in his watch.

      Polotic - 2012-05-30 21:43

      @Kolobe - It is quite distressing to see the responses of those that support Zuma. Insulting and lacking intellect to say the least. It is obvious that they have sterile minds as they have nothing to contribute to the debate. All they spew out is bile. I hope that they do not represent the average ANC supporter. If so, be afraid, very afraid.

      Richard - 2012-05-30 22:05

      Every politician is fat and malema,s stomach is huge from all the food that he eats!

      John - 2012-05-30 22:50

      Does a strong intelligent woman threaten you, Kolbee?

      Gerald - 2012-05-31 02:30

      @ Xavier, U r what is wrong with DA supporters with comments like that, your gross generalisation of black people. Then again you get thumps up for it from your fellow ilk. Worse still to be bold even when saying it. And Lindiwe fights for you people. Shame indeed, just not sure on who...you or her?

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:01

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      shannonlea.archer - 2012-05-31 06:36

      How's your weight Kolobe. Had another barrel of KFC?? What an intelligent woman. Not a std 3 woodwork failure.

      Byron - 2012-05-31 13:03

      @Polotic - It is quite distressing to see the responses of those that support Zille. Insulting and lacking intellect to say the least. It is obvious that they have sterile minds as they have nothing to contribute to the debate. All they spew out is bile. I hope that they do not represent the average DA supporter. If so, be afraid, very afraid - there ... I've balanced it out as it was leaning like crazy

      pjcbs - 2012-05-31 13:58

      This person is a TROLL people. He feels ANY attention is better than no attention at all. Kolobe, I can not give you a thumbs up or down, but I can give you a finger.

      wo0two0t - 2012-06-01 10:07

      @Gerald - can you blame him - the proof is in the pudding. If I where black I would be very embarrassed with my fellow people. The ANC couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. I would go Mazibukos route because you guys are leading us NOWHERE!

      George - 2012-06-01 14:51

      You obviously have nothing meaningful to say Kolobe.

  • gee.raaf - 2012-05-30 20:42

    No please...don't step down! Simply fall over and die!

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 19:02

      @Gee, you mean zoomer must fall on his spear and die. Have you forgot that for weeks now the ALL NATIONAL CRIMINAL party ranted because of that! The spear is too small to kill ZOOMER!

      balan.morgen - 2012-06-01 15:12

      Zuma is a useless president, he is failing together with the anc are a bunch of laughing stock.

  • ian.levinson.7 - 2012-05-30 20:43

    well of course, where else would there corrupt lifestyle come from, total dung for brains

  • Illchill - 2012-05-30 20:46

    I feel like miss mazibuko took the words exactly out of my mouth our leader has faild to sail his ship his subordinates are doing as they will

  • Herman - 2012-05-30 20:49

    zuma and the anc must go Power to the Taxpayer!

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:01

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

  • Nicolaas - 2012-05-30 20:50

    Now this is a woman that has balls! Tell the idiot to f@ck off and let it be govern by some 1 who can stand up to corruption, no cadre employment, no stealing tax money, uplift the non existant education, create jobs and deliver service. Lindiwe, you rock!

  • Sharon - 2012-05-30 20:54

    Unfortunately JZ has done very little to improve his own image during his presidency. Whenever there is a crisis, he sends his minions to speak on his behalf. I have never seen him in a debate, or even a talk show. It is always Gwede or Mac that speak on his behalf. I can't get the mental image of him cowering in a corner out of my head. We need a strong, decicive, visible and respectable president. JZ certainly falls short in every single department. Well done Lindiwe for pointing out the obvious. I doubt he will do the right thing, though...

      Hettie - 2012-05-31 10:26

      WHAT A WOMAN THAT IS WHAT THIS COUNTRY NEEDS.BRAINS AND LOOKS AND THE GUTS TO CALL A SPADE A SPADE. YOU GO GIRL....LOOK AND LEARN ANCYL THIS IS A PURE LEADER.

  • Ditantane - 2012-05-30 20:56

    you see now, i hate it when am put in a situation where i might agree with the opposition.

      John - 2012-05-30 23:07

      Ditantane, I read the freedom charter and it is so noble. But men are not defined by their words, but by their actions. It is difficult to reconcile the ANC that helped bring freedom to our country with the ANC today. My disagreement of the ANC today doesn't mean I am naturally a DA supporter. I believe people should vote for a part that makes sense in the present. One should not 'marry' a party and let them define whom we are. I can assure you, if I vote DA today and they do not deliver, I will vote for someone else until I find someone that offers true leadership. Unfortunately, the same reason we need three tiers of government is the same reason we need a strong opposition. A government is only as strong as their opposition. The moment you have no opposition, men that started with good intentions fall prey to greed and avarice. That's where the saying comes from, absolute power corrupts absolutely. And that is what is unfortunately happening now. With little opposition, the government sits on their laurels earned in the past, and worry more about amassing power for themselves at the expense of everyone. I can only hope a strong opposition rises to force the government, even if at the interest of their self-preservation, to actually start delivering.

      Luviwe - 2012-05-30 23:28

      5cents the character of today's ANC is greed and corruption which I hate with a passion.

      John - 2012-05-30 23:54

      Luviwe, they have no opposition to keep them on their toes to deliver. That is my frustration too. If there were strong opposition, the very fear of losing power would spurn them on to perform and make real changes. Losing billions of rands to corruption while people die hungry is just inhuman. All men in power are exposed to the temptation of corruption, that is why we need checks and balances. I fear we are losing those quickly.

      Luviwe - 2012-05-31 00:05

      5cents these so called leaders have got no concious at all, I wonder how do they sleep at night.

      Thami - 2012-05-31 01:35

      @Ditantane: I feel the same. @5cents: the question is how do we get it right? On the one hand we have a party in power that is not performing as it should and has shoved an incompetent president down our throats, on the other hand we have DA whose government make up in the Western Cape (white male dominated) gives the impression that if it were chosen to power in would also bring undesirable consequence. The rest of the opposition that virtually useless (Cope would do well if the replace Terra and Red Socks, Buthelezi needs to go back to Ulundi, Holomisa back to Transkei, I don't even know why party's like ACDP, FF Plus, Minority Front, etc still exist). Its frustrating, and at the rate the whole bunch of opposition carry on, the ANC will be in power for a long time, because the hole bunch on them are power hungry morons.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:02

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      John - 2012-05-31 13:48

      @Thami: the tripartite alliance needs to break down. And it is slowly happening. I have no problem with the ANC as such staying in power IF they manage to halt corruption, and show a turnaround in service delivery stat's - real stats. The DA does not recognise the principle of race, which I agree with in principle, BUT, it is also naive not to take cognisance of the fact that race/ethnicity IS still a sensitive issue in SA. It is true, there is still racial inequality when it comes to distribution of wealth. There needs to be another solution to achieve equal opportunity for all, as well as previously disadvantaged that will create economic growth. BEE in concept is noble, however, in practice it is crippling. Many educated blacks take offence at BEE. Pouring social grants without education and a plan to enable people is not an answer, it only burdens an already over-burdened labour force. If the DA has all the answers, I doubt it. Most black folk have a real fear from a perception that the DA will reinstate apartheid, however unfounded - the ANC promotes this fear. If the DA came into power, and we assume the worst is true about an alterior agenda - I believe with our majority black folk, there is no way apartheid would be initiated again. Fears need to be addressed. As far as the DA goes, because they have a relatively small following, they have a real pressure to perform. Even if they had alterior motives, the level of scrutiny they have, they cannot afford not to perform.

      John - 2012-05-31 13:54

      So far, I have witnessed Ms Zille being awarded the international mayor of the year award for real turnarounds she has headed. All is not perfect, but there are real, tangible reasons as to how and why the DA earned votes in the Western Cape. When people start experiencing service delivery, it stops being important which perceived ethnic group provided this delivery. Until such time that racial fears are addressed, I sincerely doubt the DA will win the elections. However, they perform a very vital function in providing an opposition necessary to prevent abuse of power running without impunity.

  • Konanani - 2012-05-30 20:58

    I was defending jzee on the spear mater bt when it comes to presidency i cant,he is the worst

      Thami - 2012-05-31 01:36

      Yah neh, and to think we are likely to have another 5 years of him

  • Charnelle - 2012-05-30 20:59

    @Poloyatonki, cause all Politicians are supermodels! Just like the gorguss hunk of a Zuma and lets not mention that sexy Julius. Really Poloyatonki, get real.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:03

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

  • Charnelle - 2012-05-30 21:07

    I see a glimmer of hope.. Could this be?

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-05-30 21:08

    Stunning Lindiwe! In a short space of time you have shown that you are an excellent politician. You have earned your place. You are proof that there are intelligent black people in this country who can stand their own ground. You spoke for the people. Bravo!

      slondie - 2012-05-30 21:28

      So b4 this there was no proof that blacks are intellegent in ur opnion?

      slondie - 2012-05-30 21:28

      So b4 this there was no proof that blacks are intellegent in ur opnion?

      FinalJustice - 2012-05-30 21:47

      Don't hold you're breath @slondie, you just proved that you are clearly not 1 of them ...

      Samantha - 2012-05-31 09:36

      Intellegent vs corrupt, intellegent vs selfish, intellegent vs weak. All people are intellegent some just make the choice to be idiots

  • Fhedzani Sadiki - 2012-05-30 21:09

    In a way she is right. She should consider a salad once in a while...lmao

      Dee - 2012-05-30 21:33

      But may I ask a 'cultural' question? If this lovely intelligent, hardworking woman was 'stick insect' thin - as per 'Western' women's aspirations - would she not be criticised for being 'too western'? Or is African culture still too steeped in patriarchy for a person not to be judged on 'sexist' grounds - rather than her character, integrity, work ethic, intelligence, honest achievements? Please enlighten me .... the Spear incident has made 'cultural standards' education is a sincere interest of mine.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:04

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:23

      Fhedanzi Sadiki, Lindiwe is known for her brains. How about you?.

  • Mbali - 2012-05-30 21:10

    As much as I don't like the da and its goats, I'm afraid Lindiwe is correct. I've actually got to the point where zuma's voice irritates a hell out of me. I curse the day I voted for this h*rny bastard!!! only if we didn't have to be led by politicians!!!

      Sharmay - 2012-05-30 21:15

      Agreed.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:27

      Mbali, as much as I don't like the ANC and it's sheep, I agree with you. Lindiwe is correct and not afraid to standup and say her say. As for Zuma why speak about a nonentity?.

      dennis.minadoo - 2012-05-31 19:30

      i AM GLAD WE STARTED SEEING THE DEVIL IN DISGUISE...

  • Cliff.k.Masola - 2012-05-30 21:14

    Am an ANC member bt nw da tea girl she is right i support her statement

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:05

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Raymond - 2012-05-31 09:54

      Cliff, it's easy. Vote DA.

  • john.radebe - 2012-05-30 21:15

    What is the vision of our country? With Nelson Mandela it was reconciliation, with Thabo Mbeki it was Africa Renaissance. To be honest with this one, I dnt know...somebody tell me...where is this sheep going?

      Sharmay - 2012-05-30 21:17

      Reconciliation with (some)one's wallet and wives?

      msnduli - 2012-05-30 21:20

      This \sheep\ is probably going to the slaughter house or something??

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-30 21:41

      @John, the current vision as per ZOOMER AND HIS CRONIES, SCREW THE TAXPAYER AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-05-31 08:11

      @john, with this one it is division, corruption & deceipt, you are just as disappointed as me, our president should be leading by example, he should be reconciling the people, he should be building the nation, he should be honest & fair, he should care about the poor, the unemployed, the children.....but even if we had such a good leader & his people were equally good, we still need a strong opposition, because very few men stay honest and good when they have absolute power, Nelson Mandela is one that did, we are in desperate need of a great leader, Motlanthe may be many of these things, but the ANC is rotten, I can't see him fixing the ANC in a hurry, so even if he takes over in Dec, we will still see a divided, corrupt, selfish, incompetent government, vote against the ANC, this is the only answer.

  • Tax - 2012-05-30 21:17

    He probebly sucked just as badly at his old job. Goat herding.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 01:13

      @TAX, he got fired from that job, they caught him with his spear haning out whilst herding the goats!

      John - 2012-05-31 07:58

      Nicolaas. Frigging brilliant mate.

      Samantha - 2012-05-31 09:38

      LOL LOL awesome

  • Fhedzani Sadiki - 2012-05-30 21:19

    I'm an ANC member too...and I agree with Lindiwe...

      Raymond - 2012-05-31 09:55

      Vote DA Fhedzani.

  • Derek Gerber - 2012-05-30 21:20

    I think the best for SA would be if JZ is elected for another term, this will hopefully hasten the demise of the ANC as a result of JZ's lame duck leadership style. In contrast the DA will prove that their is a better alternative, in spite of some moronic comments it is clear that we are nearing a tipping point, once that point is reached the speed of change will surprise us all. The true test of our democracy is around the corner, and the first signs are ominous.

      Fhedzani Sadiki - 2012-05-30 21:28

      @Derek, people vote with their hearts in South Africa. It will take long time for the ANC to lose support. I would love to see the ANC lose support to the DA, then it will balance things...just like the US were they have two major parties with an equal shot at the top job...Not this two thirds nonsense.

      Thami - 2012-05-31 01:55

      DA needs to change a couple of these before the win over more support: 1. change the look of the western cape parliament to be more representative 2. consider recruiting some strong black men and make the prominent in leadership. Before you bite my head off, my reasoning is the 1st point will likely win them more black votes because that parliament worries a few black people. As for the second point, DA exists in Africa and in Africa it is still very hard for us to accept a woman as a head of the household let alone a nation. And please, please white people stop saying or doing things that can be conceived as racist (even if you believe you are correct), things like the "SPEAR" because these will send even some of the black people already voting for DA back to ANC.

      Dee - 2012-05-31 03:30

      Thami - I think your points are correct, but also believe there is an enormous effort by DA to "balance" : 1. Have the best available skilled person for the job .... in order to 2. Make 1000% sure that the DA areas conform to absolute good governance. 3. Advance their competant members such as Lindiwe as soon as possible - (at some internal risk / upset of the older members) I would really wish for a new party that does not carry either 'liberation' or 'race' emotions. But until then, there are some very competant 'national interest only' members of ANC who I'm sure the DA would love to have - in order to achieve what you suggest.

      nigel.vanysendyk - 2012-05-31 08:22

      @Thami, I agree with you..the DA does need to address both of your points, I also agree that they need a strong black man, someone with integrity & honesty, someone like Cyril Ramophosa, this will make a huge difference, most of us in the minority really don't care what the color of the leader is, as long as they take the country forward & uphold our constitution. I also agree that many comments on this forum (by both whites & blacks) are counter productive & do more harm than good, News24 should moderate this site, but they don't. Although I disagree with the Spear painting, it has done one important thing, that is to highlight the pathetic state of the ANC & its president, it showed how petty & childish they are & it showed where their proprieties lie, it showed us that the are bullies that want to dictate, it showed us what a future will be like with them in power. Lets help the DA change & hopefully, we will have a chance as a democracy

      nickolse - 2012-05-31 10:14

      @Thami - Would making Moeletsi Mbeki the president of the DA win over your vote? Surely he conforms to all you stated above? It's a pitty that in a country that fought so hard for equal rights - first black vs white then Male vs Female and the list goes on - that you would still not entrust the BEST person with the job.. BTW - I would vote for Moeletsi Mbeki any day (Same as Zille)

      Thami - 2012-05-31 14:18

      Nickolse, the point I'm trying to make is DA needs to better understand who they trying to win over. That group consists of traditional man that will tell you straight up, I will never be governed by a woman. whether that's correct or not, is not an issue but it is reality of our country. And yes, it would go a long way in making me more comfortable with the choice.

  • Nicola Killops - 2012-05-30 21:21

    Give that girl a Bells!

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-05-30 21:22

    Can pls sum1educate me here: what is opposition mean in SAcan term ?

      Derek Gerber - 2012-05-30 21:24

      Are you a voter?!

      neo.khemisi - 2012-05-30 21:37

      Yes Derek

      bernadette.mundy - 2012-05-30 22:54

      Hey neo. \Opposition\ refers to the party which is 2nd to the ANC- in SA terms that's the DA, the official opposition to the ANC, the party that is most challenging and threatening to the ruling party. I think. Haha. Hope that helps.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 05:30

      I don't understand your question when couched in abbreviations?

      Dee - 2012-05-31 12:13

      Neo - my understanding is that DA function as the 2nd largest party in parliament ...but with only 13% (?? I think?) of votes, they have to form alliances with other smaller parties to make up their representation numbers. In a well functioning democracy, a "strong" opposition, I'm sure you know, is vital to keep 'checks and balances' & to keep the ruling party honest and hard working. In SAfrican scene - the opposition party is not really strong enough (imo) for a "healthy" democracy.

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-05-30 21:23

    Can pls sum1educate me here: what is opposition mean in SAcan term ?

  • Agedah Alex - 2012-05-30 21:25

    She has proven that not all blacks support dis corrupt government

  • John - 2012-05-30 21:25

    I couldn't agree more. However, the same cultural traditions that find the said painting offensive find a woman speaker equally as offensive. Poor Ms Mazibuko, all she said will fall on deaf ears. I respect her courage for standing up for what is right at the personal cost of being jeered and looked at as a traitor to her roots merely for being a subordinate to a white leader.

      Dee - 2012-05-31 03:17

      There was a clip played on radio today with one of the 'old white men' in parliament stopping her to heckle about her new hair style. She responded quick as a flash :"I would be happy to discuss my hair grooming tips with the Honourable Member if he had any hair to groom". What a BEEEEEUUUUUUTIFUL put down! Churchill couldn't have done better :))))

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:31

      Dee, that put the old sod in his place. I am starting to like Lindiwe more by the minute.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 19:10

      @DEE, I am sure it was zoomer, with his baldy, maybe he was trying to knive her with his spear!

  • raymond.abrahamse - 2012-05-30 21:26

    BRILLIANT Lindi !!! Zooma is a disgrace to the Nation.

  • zandisile.sitoyi - 2012-05-30 21:27

    Hey boss is Lindiwe I am telling you. This lady is going to a president one day watch out SA

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-30 21:35

      she will be president , after crossing the floor to the ANC

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-30 22:23

      infact the DA is grooming her on behalf of the ANC, it is like playing the slot machine for hours and then a few seconds after you leave it someone hits the jackpot

      Luviwe - 2012-05-30 23:30

      Mgayi she will be a better president than the current incumbent even if they can swop roles now i promise you.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-31 06:34

      Luviwe , that's the truth right there . .you said it

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:32

      Mgayi, she won't cross the floor, not a corrupt hair on Lindiwe's head.

  • thapelo.devotion.mothibi - 2012-05-30 21:28

    Its only fair so Mr President, look at it this way no more Painting portraits and our country will gain back its dignity please leave Hamba

  • tshwanecyberworks - 2012-05-30 21:29

    4 de first tym i agree wit lindiwe, zuma has failed us as a nation he achievd nothing in de past 36months instead he married 4 tyms, its tym we replace him ònce an 4 all, he cnt gorven nor can he lead

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-05-30 21:32

    Lindiwe for President!!!!!!VivA!

      Munyai - 2012-05-30 21:46

      Who should succeed jz? his time has arrived must step down

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 19:13

      @Munyai, simple answer to your question. Any one with a brain, that is not corruptable, a thieve, cadre employer, need I add more?

  • matthews.bantsijang - 2012-05-30 21:35

    Lindiwe Mazibuko urged President Jacob Zuma not to stand for a second term in office..... how valid?

      John - 2012-05-30 23:30

      She only voiced an opinion. Opinions are always valid. They needn't heed her request, and I doubt they will. At least the opinion is out in the open.

  • sihle.zungu.9 - 2012-05-30 21:41

    To all the people commenting about Mazibuko’s weight, I see you are exercising your right to freedom of expression as a right above the individual’s right to human dignity. In other words, you also support the creation and publication of “The Spear” above President Zuma’s right to human dignity and would be against the ANC’s action? If not, your internal values are at conflict and you need to do some introspection.

      sven.gohre - 2012-05-30 22:05

      sihle, well said. But do not expect to be praised, as those that have no brains hate to be shown up for what they are, two-faced idiots.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-30 22:54

      ..@ sihle.zungu.9.. Some one at News 24 cooking the thumbs again.. wonder how I can contact the Editor in Chief.

      ThinkingChick - 2012-05-31 08:46

      Agreed 100%

  • mkgatla3 - 2012-05-30 21:42

    Apartheit>>>Freedom>>>Corruption-era...Whatever is happenin now will take many year to change! The next president wil also be blamed with corruption...Dont hate the player! Hate the Game.......!

      Bradley - 2012-05-31 14:35

      WTF did i just read....

      theprodigy.brian - 2012-05-31 15:09

      actually you are right Mkgatla3, shifting the deck chairs around on a sinking ship won't stop the ship sinking, the ANC is rotten & sick, it will take decades for them to change.

  • XOOOLA - 2012-05-30 21:42

    Well well Ms Mazibuko what do you have in mind to bring change in our country and off course He is the President for all of us you wont notice since your everyday job is to oppose!!! not in a single day you've mentioned or produced solution to issues affecting our country. Note first principle from Dale Carnegie "Don't criticise, condemn or complain" its a fact opposition has an impact to delay and waist time

      Charnelle - 2012-05-30 21:53

      Nooooooo we cant criticise, no no no, bad DA bad non ANC voters!! No votes for you! LOL.. No freedom of Speech. No "blasphemy" against our great leader! She is such a RACIST!!

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-30 23:05

      @ X000LA..You are obviously refering to Dale Carnegies " How to make friends and influence people" .. You fail to refer to anyone of his follow ups which emphasize "to be alert and if neccessary to take drastic action as a method of a positive outcome" if neccesary.

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 06:15

      The pedant in me has to laugh: "off course" - Zuma is always off course. Ms Mazibuko is on course "waist time" - I notice most of parliament spend a lot of time on their waists.

      theprodigy.brian - 2012-05-31 09:38

      I think you are confusing the tri=party ANC alliance with the DA, If you think for 1 second that they DA has not proposed solutions to the countries problems, then you are naive, they are the ones trying to create jobs, Cosatu is the one trying to stop these jobs being created, So you are a fan of Dale Carnegie, well then you should know that he also said "give honest & sincere appreciation", "be genuinely interested in other people","be a good listener", Instead of vomiting brainwashed ideas why not apply some of Carnegies principles yourself.

      ThinkingChick - 2012-05-31 11:28

      The DA has come up with some pretty cool ways of moving the country forward positively. So, what has Comrade Zuma done since he came into power? I googled "Zuma's Successes" and came up with one story about how a trip to Libya to meet with Gaddaffi was a real success last year. Um?

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:43

      Xooola, maybe you should have told the ANC about Dale Carnegie's words before their convulsive actions about the painting started. Have you seen the fat woman dressed in ANCWL clothes armed with a wooden gun and whistle?. Plain ridiculous.

  • thandazab - 2012-05-30 21:43

    First time I voted in the last election, I voted for the ANC. Nt coz I like Zuma but because I like the ANC n wat it stood for before the greedy men took over. If Zuma is running for President again I won't vote! I won't change parties because I dnt think that anyone can do any better n I'd rather eat glass than vote DA!! Bt seriously Zuma is always making headlines for all the wrong reasons n its a shame coz if he does run again I cud bet my bottom dollar (rand) he's gona win!

      icarus.smith.90 - 2012-05-30 21:50

      Sheep

      Charnelle - 2012-05-30 21:54

      mEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH!

      neil.dewitt.3 - 2012-05-30 22:54

      Thandazab, I really would like to know why, if you are so upset with the ANC, you will rather not vote DA or any other party? By not showing them your dissappointment by using your vote you are in effect still supporting their behavior. I am truly interested and not taking a dig at you.

      Thami - 2012-05-31 02:13

      @neil: I think I can safely say @Thandazab is reflecting the views of a lot of ANC voters. People vote with their hearts and none of the opposition parties have done anything significant to earn the votes of disgruntled ANC voters. DA still worries a lot of us to be honest, it needs to show us it is really for everyone and dilute the make up of its top leadership

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 06:15

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      thandazab - 2012-05-31 06:21

      Thank u Thami couldn't have said that better myself! To you other guys iam not a sheep. Iam a supporter of ANC n always will be! It may not be working well at the top level but I have to tell u where I live we have some really dedicated service providers so while I may not be unhappy with Zuma I haven't given up on the ANC unless if zuma is president again. I will not, shall not n never will vote for the DA!! It only represents white ppl! Ppl always talk of look at Cape town this look at cape town dat but I saw cape town yes it is beautiful n clean but what about the ppl of the township. Its only da city (white) folk who r being catered to. Over the years da ANC government has changed the lives of us township ppl! There's not a single squatter camp where I live. Granted the houses they built leave much to be desired but they are safe and warm unlike the poor ppl of khayelitsha or gugulethu! Its your municipalities that need to wake up! Rome was not built in a day. There's still gonna b some trial n error n we need to move around see what or who works, its gonna take time! So if I don't vote ANC n sure as hell not voting DA (the newly decorated NP!) There's no other strong opposition party I cud go for. Or mayb I shud jus throw away my vote by voting KISS party just for the sake of voting! But u will b so suprised when u c zuma win again you will not believe it. That man is so loved by the masses even I don't understand!

      ThinkingChick - 2012-05-31 08:48

      What kind of madness is it to not vote? Eish, I give up. People need to understand that it is through voting change happens. If (and it will) the ANC loses an even bigger percentage to opposition parties, then maybe it will take a look at itself and fix what this jackal has done.

      thandazab - 2012-05-31 09:17

      @ThinkinChick da kind of thinking Is this. I dnt want da anc to not win. I don't want the ruling party to change so u can jus forget getting me to swing my vote to the dark side! I just don't wana be responsible for putting zuma into power again. Unfortunately I don't get to decide who will b da president when anc wins. Alla yol r entitled to like whatever u want. N dat goz for me too! M guessing all the thumbs down are for the anti DA comments! N I still stand by them!

      theprodigy.brian - 2012-05-31 09:54

      @thandazab, I respect your point of view & Like Thami says, this is a view than many ANC supporters have, I will say this though, we need a strong opposition to keep things balanced, it is absolutely important, 2nd, the ANC is not one man, therefore if Zuma goes, do you really believe things will change much for the better, for the ANC to successfully govern the country, there needs to be a massive shift in attitudes, commitment, capability & responsibility, how long will you stand by & watch the ANC fail before you act. Unfortunately there is currently no decent strong black led opposition, the DA is the only one capable to taking on the ANC. I agree with Tami that they need to change a few things, but at least they are prepared & able to address some of our big problems, unlike the ANC.

      Byron - 2012-05-31 10:06

      lol, what did the DA sheep call the ANC Sheep? "after ewe" http://home.planet.nl/~jhut/sheep/sheepjoke.htm

      neil.dewitt.3 - 2012-05-31 10:32

      @Everone. Yes I am white so maybe I don't understand your fear 100%. But I do have the fear as a citizen that if we don't show this govt they are there to serve us and not rule us then we will be worse off then ever before. Only the rich corrupt politically linked will benefit and not us, the real tax payers. But tell me this, the ruling party is put there because of us the voters. So if you and so many other disgruntled ANC supporters like you voted DA into power and by some terrible misfortune they ended up reviving apartheid. Do you think that the DA would be in power very long? I wish people would realize the power they have to change things, one vote at a time. If your car fails you year after year causing distress and loss, do you just keep throwing money at it or do you say bugger this, I am buying a new one. If your local shop keeps on running out of stock of your favourite food, how long do you keep going back before saying "I am sure some other shop must have it and want my money". If your childs school constantly fails to provide education do you keep them there in the hope of it getting better when everything else proves to you that they dont care and it wont? Please help me understand, I beg you. What does it matter what colour a person is if they are delivering on their promises the majority of time?

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:45

      Thandazab, eat glass then or stick with what you have now, it is both the same.

  • Freedom - 2012-05-30 21:49

    It is better for Jacob Zuma to go back to rear caws as he was trained by his Father instead of him disgracing South Africa by fathering and rearing legitimate children.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-05-30 21:51

    True but who would replace him,shame man you okes are being insensitive hehehe,leka DA never stop fighting for our freedom,we arnt free and we arnt dom either.Free us from rape,theft,nepotism,racism,dangerous roads,arrogance and the list goes on and on.

  • kedibone.nkwagatse - 2012-05-30 21:51

    Well I guess everyone can see that \the\ ANC has lost a touch. It is no more about what we heard before we vote. This is not \the\ ANC we know in the past years! Expulsions, Cronysim, Anti-Art marches, E-Shower...clearly zuluman can't do this! I agree with Lindiwe! We need someone with formal qualifications now. (Peace ma-ANC)

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 06:17

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-05-30 21:53

    Let's give lesotho applouse they were having problem with the ruling party. And it won elections again over the weekend so what they(opposations) did they form coallation to oust they ruling party which they did and they did not do it in 1 provence only whole country bcos. They were not in power hungry they put aside their affiliations for they sake of Lesotho;lesson here ANC has lot of history in SA voters so the only to unsit them is coallation other than that I see what prs Zuma said \ANC wil rule until jesus come\

      Charles - 2012-05-30 22:07

      I think the tea girl, must understand that gore branches of the ANC will deploy who ever they believe will lead the ANC,she has a right to contest him as for those who are ashamed to have Zuma as a president its a free country the man was voted by more than 11 million South Africans,so u can go to hell

      theprodigy.brian - 2012-05-31 10:07

      @charles, sorry but you don't understand SA political history, Zuma was not voted for by 11 million South Africans, a few thousand Cosatu & ANCYL members voted him into power at the 52nd national conference in Polokwane, Limpopo. Normally the SA people vote for a party, the National Assembly elects a president, but never do voters vote for a president in SA, that happens in the USA, so before you tell anybody t go to hell, maybe get your facts straight.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:49

      Charles, we didn't vote for Zuma to become President, the ANC did.

  • Charles - 2012-05-30 21:55

    Mazibuko wa nyela a botse mmae to step down

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 00:26

      @Charles, so what you saying that we have 11million stupid ALL NATIONAL CRIMINAL PARTY suppotas!!!!!!!!! Golly, no wonder the country is fast slipping or shall I say backtracking to another ZIMBOBWE!!!!!!

  • mgcinosh - 2012-05-30 21:59

    I gree with lindiwe , its feels hopeless with zuma as president in south africa , and from all the people that don't agree with lindiwe, haven't even seen a single one give an arguement as to why they think she's wrong all they do is just give lame pathetic jokes , its makes me sad to see people like that who follow blindly a blind man leading our contry to ruin.

  • neo.mokhonoane - 2012-05-30 21:59

    Now lindiwe is out of order or she is raising issues for the sake of it?

      Charnelle - 2012-05-30 22:27

      Issues that should be kept very quiet, like most of the things that the ANC tries to cover up... Shhhhhhhhhh. The president's dignity is most important.

      Tsietsi - 2012-05-30 22:33

      Bangoma you lack comprehension of issues. I wonder how old you are and how educated you are. The issues that she raises are real in South Africa. Wake up and smell the corruption.

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 00:27

      @DOMGOMA, and you are out of order by posting stupid comments here on a platform for intellignt people!

      Jacqui - 2012-05-31 13:52

      Sipho, I have been awarded the Luthuli medal for my part in the struggle. We brought democracy to this country so be very careful who you call relics from apartheid. Go shop for a brain, you irritatingt twerp.

  • sipho.nkruma - 2012-05-30 22:03

    what I find so amazing,is you relics from apartheid who now claims to know so much about "democracy" even though it was you bigots from apartheid who DENIED the black majority democracy! you bigots dont know a damn thing about democracy yourselves and neither does Mazibuko. all she is doing is preaching what her WHITE BAASES tell her to say. let me give you boers a lesson on democratic eticate. Mazibuku is NOT a member of the ANC so she was well out of line for telling a member of another party "not to seek re-election" what she did is called destabilization and an attempt to circumvent the candiate of another party. if she lived in ANY other country that has a true democracy she would have been CENSORED for attempting to coerce the out come of an election from another political party. it is the duty of the ANC to determine if zuma is fit to lead that party,not a member of the opposition party. if zuma is as bad as Mazibuku CLAIMS (she has some valid claims)then her party the DA should have no problem running against him and the ANC if HE is the best thing that they (THE ANC)have to offer. what she did was NOT an excercise of her right to free speech,so you boers dont even lie and claim that it was. you boers can tell what ever lie that is that you want too,but believe you me,she is glad that she lives in south africa today after what she has done,and not in a country with an established true democracy. at the least she would have been censored.

      Nyiks11 - 2012-05-30 22:09

      ekwaaaaa , batho ba go tseba ditaba ashi ba

      Nicolaas - 2012-05-31 00:28

      @DOMSIPHO, who let you out of the zoo again!

      Aristar - 2012-05-31 06:28

      The government is here to serve not to rule. The basis of a democratic system is that we, the voter, vote for the politicians to be put in place to SERVE US, not rule us.

      Psalm - 2012-05-31 09:01

      @ Sipho No offence, but your comment on Mazibuko is nothing but hot air. In any civilized democracy (which would exclude some of the dubious friends of the ANC) any opposing politician can denounce his political opponent. It is called political debate. Any person can denounce the selection process of the ANC - it is called freedom of expression. If you are as enlightened as you would have us believe, then you would know that across Europe and North America, politicians take the liberty to denounce the political choices of opposition parties. Honestly, they only refrain from this tactic (like Obama not laying into the GOP candidates during the GOP elective process), for tactical reasons (why pick a fight with a candidate, when the candidate might not win the party nomination?). What you are proposing as "democracy" belongs in China - not in a proper democratic country. Mazibuko is not preventing the idiots in the ANC from electing Zuma as presidential candidate. They can take that idiotic step if they wish. She is expressing her opposition to Zuma governing SA for a second term. EVERY person in SA has the right to denounce ANY political party, its elected representatives and even its internal processes. They are NO sacred cows in politics in a proper democracy. Political analysts have raised similar stuff, but now YOU wish to prevent Mazibuko. If you wish to implement your idea of "democracy", please move to China, as this seems to be your natural "democratic" home.

      Megan - 2012-05-31 16:17

      Please tell me that people really, really, really, aren't this stupid! And this drivel coming from Sipho is just a misguided idiot with nothing better to do with his time. SIPHO PLEASE, FOR YOUR OWN SAKE, GO AND LEARN ABOUT DEMOCRACY BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR BIG MOUTH. Oh and just so you know, I (an english speaking SA citizen) take as much offence as been called a boer as you would A K!!!!!! So keep it up you moron! But before we finish SIPHO, it is absolutely the RESPONSIBILITY of pretty much every single person in this country, regardless of political stance, colour, creed, socio-economic postion to QUESTION the motives, failures, decisions, in fact SIPHO, absolutely EVERYTHING the president does. Everything that YOU describe in your comment above is associated with an AUTOCRATIC society - look it up if you don't understand.