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State must ensure people have land: Zuma

2012-06-26 15:41

Johannesburg - In terms of the Constitution, the state has to ensure that citizens are able to obtain land rights, President Jacob Zuma said at the ANC's policy conference on Tuesday.

"Our position is that the current willing buyer, willing seller model must be reviewed," Zuma, who is also the ANC's president, told delegates at Gallagher Estate in Midrand.

"It tends to distort the land market through inflating the prices of land earmarked for restitution."

Zuma said the model made land reform expensive and delayed land restitution to the poor. A wide range of proposals had been submitted to the conference.

"[This will] enable faster movement on this matter, within the confines of the Constitution and the law," Zuma said.

The ANC Youth League wants expropriation without compensation, and said it would push for a policy change at the conference. This has caused tensions between the ANCYL and opposition parties.

The youth league also wants the nationalisation of mines.

On Tuesday, Zuma said ANC delegates had to deliberate on how the state could obtain an equitable share from mineral resources.

"The state exercises sovereignty over the entire mineral and petroleum resources within the republic," he said.

"In the same vein, Article (2)(1) of the United Nations Charter of Economic Rights and Duties of States, grants states full permanent sovereignty, including possession and disposal over all their natural resources."

Zuma said the country needed to go "back to the basics" and take difficult decisions that it could not take in 1994. The structure of the apartheid economy had remained largely intact, and had not allowed for higher or inclusive growth.

"We must create a thriving mixed economy, where the state, private capital, co-operative and other forms of social ownership complement each other in an integrated way to eliminate poverty and foster shared economic growth," he said.

"To achieve inclusive and labour absorbing growth, the state must play an active role in the economy, driving development especially in neglected areas."

Comments
  • Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:45

    The land was never yours! Give it back to the Khoi-San if it has to be re-distributed! You can't just steal land!

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:48

      Blacks came from North Africa! Finish and klaar! There is nothing more to ad. If you want land, go back to the Congo and claim it!

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 15:53

      If all the blacks in SA want their forefather's land back, then they all have to leave and go back to the Congo.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 15:56

      I think Zuma took his notes from Robert Mugabe's, 'How to build a Banana Republic' guide, from 1980.

      jacobus.hendrikse - 2012-06-26 16:05

      This is it, people... the time as come. Get ready.

      mariuskowie - 2012-06-26 16:05

      I am a white Afrikaner male. I have never owned land. I plan to stake my claim on land once the government starts to take land without compensation. Or am I disallowed just because I am white?

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 16:14

      Jacobus, I only think things will hit the fan if the ANC give permission, like Mugabe did, to start invading farms. Until then, I wouldn't panic just yet. The ANC must just be prepared to face the consequences though, if they go that route.

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 16:24

      @ Craig - firstly many white ppl also have mixed blood as there were no european women that were here - so many have black african or khoi blood.\r\n\r\nSecondly can nomadic hunter gatherer tribes \own land\\r\n\r\nAnd lastly it doesn't matter who's ancestors were here first - all of our ancestors are african and were here!

      kirsten.a.foster.100 - 2012-06-26 16:25

      rubbish Craig dont insult the University of SA or what they taught me.

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 16:26

      @ craig.demontfortbraganca - HAHAHAHAHA!!!! The Khoi-San are you guys? HAHAHAHAH! I almost fell off my chair with the way I just laughed! You must be f%&king colour blind my friend! The Khoi-San are those little guys that are brown of colour... Not black like you guys! The blacks' origin is in central and northern Africa! Face it... Black people like you want to steal land that was never yours in the first place.

      Carol - 2012-06-26 16:38

      Bardy - apparently you didn't have/passed geography at school Firstly - The Congo is in the middle of Africa…. Secondly - Most of the Northern African countries are Arab nations

      smili.fication - 2012-06-26 16:38

      Kolobe! You have to take a bullet before you own land.

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-26 16:38

      Giving the land to the "poor" ( for nothing?) is one the most misplaced objectives this government has been promising for some time to get votes.They promised them houses and when they got houses they needed water and then they needed electricity and then they needed hand outs ,all this while the population exploded out of its seems where for again subsidies was needed and so we can go on .The tax moneys by enlarge came from the very people that have brought them the infrastructure which they got on a platter and which they are now slowly undermining .In short you cant take from a few and give to many as then at the end no one will have any.

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 16:40

      @ tumisang.kolobe - By all means! I encourage the blacks to start farming and producing yourselves and feeding your brothers. BUT WHY ON EARTH would you want to take land that is already being put to good use and produce food for the nation, just to learn how to farm? You will be destroying the current economy of SA. Why can't the government give you guys pieces of land that are vacant? There are thousands of square miles of land that is not being used... Why does it HAVE to be land that the white man owns? I will tell you why... Your government is under the illusion that if they take the land from the white man, they will reap the profits. That is an utter BS story! They have no idea of the hard work and dedication it takes to run a farm. I am almost certain that 70% of new black farmers will through in the towel in the first few months! And then??? Dry arrid land will be left... Our country will then need to start importing foods from other countries which will in turn hike the tax up so high, you would wish the white farmers were still here! The government will come crawling back to the white farmers to save the economy... But guess what! ALL THE WHITE FARMERS WOULD HAVE LEFT THE COUNTRY BY THEN! So good luck!

      oomkrummel.krummel - 2012-06-26 16:45

      This is called, firing the first shot across the bow....which simply means, theres a whole lot more to follow. And it aint going to be nice...me thinks..??

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 16:50

      Craig - you have an English and a French name. Bloody agent!

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 16:53

      Actually craig, no they didn't give up that right to the land by moving location. If that was the criteria 2/3 of the population have given up that right by becoming urbanised. Another problem with that logic is that it could be argued that my ancestors left the continent in order to gain skills and knowledge and then returned to use that knowledge. \r\n\r\nWith regards the open land, well actually it would be a myth to suggest it wasn't all open, its all a numbers game, there weren't many people in that day, population only exploded with urbanisation. \r\n\r\nUltimately owning land won't get u rich, what proportion of white people own land? Not many that's for sure because we also mainly choose to live in cities and capitalise in the much larger industrial and service industries, which require education surely that should be the focus???

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 16:53

      @ Hugh_Influence - I think he is Nigerian...

      cory.van.wyk - 2012-06-26 16:57

      yeah thats right. evil black man stealing the poor khoi-san and bushmans land.

      Robin - 2012-06-26 17:03

      ag farming is mos lakka like farmville on facebook..

      antin.herinck - 2012-06-26 17:32

      @craigwhatsyourface, Fine, take it. You dismally failed to offer any scope to really improve the lot of your idiot-electorate. So to ensure their continued support, in addition to the mandatory unfulfillable promises, you are now forced to promise them "land". And you may be a party bungling thieves without any principles, but even the thickest ones amongst you don't truly believe that anything will be solved by trying to convert a fraction of your malcontent electorate from hopelessly unemployables into clueless owners of smallholdings, mostly barren except nine rows of mielies and 15 scrawny chickens. But I agree, the promise of that and more vacuous rhetoric will get you another five years -which is your only real objective, of course.

  • Richard - 2012-06-26 15:47

    HKGK

      john.fourie.18 - 2012-06-26 15:55

      Yep. Benoude kat. Benoude spronge.

      Bardy - 2012-06-26 15:59

      We are getting closer to 21 December 2012... The Mayans were right!

  • E=MC2 - 2012-06-26 15:49

    The ANC yoof leek just want want want! The farmers are going to stand against you criminals one day soon... & dont cry when they shoot back, ok?

      berni.venter - 2012-06-26 16:14

      32 Battalion are sitting rotting in a hell hole. Offer them jobs and homes for their families and let me tell you, there will not be one more farm attack.

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-06-26 17:14

      imagine a 32 battalion police force - no more crime...

  • dennis.vermaak.5 - 2012-06-26 15:51

    Dear ANC, without an income gained fron employment, how will the citizens(code word for blacks) afford the land ? OR is this another scam for votes like the grants ??

      oomkrummel.krummel - 2012-06-26 16:48

      We know that whatever happens, it probibly wont be kosher..

  • MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 15:52

    This is not Zimbabwe and you will never make it that way. Go visit your friend in Zim and play Farmville with him. Think he's a bit lonely by now. Zimmie gave people pieces of land... and all the people of Zimbabwe lived happily ever after... in South Africa! Get it?

  • paul.vernon.737 - 2012-06-26 15:52

    Well can we have a willing taxpayer system too...?

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 15:54

      You have that, if you don't willingly pay, they willingly take you to jail.

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-06-26 17:26

      Paul its already in place especially for the previously disadvantaged who are willingly not paying any taxes.Take for instance the taxis industry they have an income and cash flow very few other employees have and I assure you there is no official book keeping and declaration of income..

  • el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 15:53

    Firstly historical claims to land ownership a spurious, anyone can chose a point in time when their ancestors were african, so technically 6 billion have a right to African land. \r\n\r\nMore importantly only 12 percent of SA land is agricultural and agriculture accounts for only 2 percent of gdp. Now considering that not even the majority of \rich\ whites are land owners (the majority lucky enough to have houses borrow from the banks) - how do u propose you will create jobs and get rich from 12 percent of the land? Labour intensive old school farming will create increased food prices! Bearing that in mind let's say u get non agricultural land what then, the bank won't want useless land as collateral so that's also pretty pointless. Stop being blinded by race hate ultimately we all have been driven off the land by urbanisation driven by industrialisation and large scale commercial farmers. Rather get educated and compete in the service or industrial arena or even better stop selling raw materials and actually process it here!

  • Heibrin - 2012-06-26 15:56

    And so it begins. Much the same rhetoric as what Robert Mugabe had in the lead-up to 2000. A very, very short lead-up. If anyone ever needed a more clear signal that South Africa is on the verge of becoming a second Zimbabwe this is it. Really, really think about it: the president of South Africa is in essence calling for land to be taken from their owners, without compensation, or at best compensation as determined not by the market, but by the buyer (the state)....

  • Billy - 2012-06-26 15:56

    your forefathers land is in central africa go tell them you want it back

      malusi.shumane - 2012-06-26 16:08

      Ds z Africa! We want our land! Go back 2 Dutch

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 16:12

      Er actualy malusi, every person on the planet has african ancestors, so tell me must we share it with everyone? Or were u just talking about those born here... But that would mean....

      E=MC2 - 2012-06-26 16:21

      malusi.shumane - go back to Dutch...? lol! you people make yourselves look so stupid its not worth trying to argue.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 16:30

      Hahaha, Dutch. Whahahaha! Malusi, you may have a jar of dirt from Dutch in exchange. I'll get the rest of my family over there to send some over. Oh wait, they all live in South Africa, everyone's land. Go get yourself a rock to play with.

      Billy - 2012-06-26 16:44

      malusi, your land is in central africa go fetch it. go get the people like you and you can all walk back up there. they will laugh at you and cut your face off with a panga

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 15:58

    ANC definition of ‘Land’ – White owned agricultural business. Some questions to consider – 1)Why do they use this passive term ‘Land’ when what they really mean is White owned agricultural businesses? 2)Why target specifically these White owned farming businesses? There are plenty of other types of business that occupy ‘Land’ if it is indeed ‘Land’ they want. 3)The Government has plenty of Land, so why not start a proper program to train, educate and empower young Black S/Africans to eventually become proper commercial farmers and thus contribute constructively to the economy and SA food production? 4)Why not also target and demand that Indian businesses be handed over to Blacks since these too have been established in a country that apparently doesn’t belong to anyone but Blacks? Sure this is not ‘Land’ but the principle is the same. 5)Are the Blacks who will then occupy these farms actually farmers? From what farming background will they come from and what credentials / education will they have with regards to operating a commercial farm? 6)Will the new ‘owners’ be ANC politicians, their friends and family and ANC cadres? Of course this is most likely, so why not ‘take’ government ‘Land’ or other non-developed Land? Why must it be productive White owned farms specifically, farms that are feeding the nation and providing employment?

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 16:45

      Well that's just it - you can't manage your own economic affairs and the track record throughout Africa proves this. Also - it's not your land at all - get that notion out of your thick skull.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 17:11

      tumisang.kolobe you couldn't grow a potato in a pot let alone string a sentence together that makes any sense. If you really think some braindead chop like you will be allowed to just go and take a farm you're sadly mistaken. a) Zuma is doing this to get votes b) If Zuma means it and tries to implement it he will be met with resistance - and you know what that means ultimately. You cannot have everything for nothing. It is too late to get the land because nobody who currently owns land can be held DIRECTLY responsible. Take the land at your own peril - both perils being bloodshed and economic destruction. Farmers will die protecting their land or burn it to the ground before anyone takes it by force. Should government start taking land forcefully, every investor in this country will leave, businesses will close, poverty numbers will quadruple and your own people will kill each other just to survive. So go ahead. Be a little lazy piggy and stick your nose in the trough.

      Randomhero6661 - 2012-06-26 17:23

      @thumisang - but you used that one already - copy pasta! pum pum things!

  • Philip Buys - 2012-06-26 15:59

    And who is going to feed these people......I grew up on a diary farm that was producing 5000 litres of milk a day, with modern diary shed and planted fields with full irrigation. Every worker on that farm had his own cattle and field. That farm was sold to the state, who gave it to the workers. Currently its a huge SUCKsess.... The farm is now a informal settlement with millions of shacks....people all dying of hunger and aids........What a better life for all.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-06-26 16:35

      We africans....thats the mentality we want to get rid of, where a white person believes they are the only superior beings.

      guy.brown.9277 - 2012-06-26 16:40

      And that is the problem. in your example, what was once a functioning farm was destroyed by an influx of people which the land could not support, especially as a commercial farm. SA has 1219090 sq KM of arable land, which works out at 0.00485 sq km per person (30 mil - rest wont qualify). I want the ANC to explain how they expect to feed the entire country off these tiny pockets of land? I truly hope that this doesn't happen, for it will be the death of SA. Absolute chaos will reign...

  • grant.taylor.142 - 2012-06-26 16:00

    Its not your land shower man...

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 16:03

      If the ANC could just be caught under a shower head, it would maybe wash away the insanity. Showers are amazing!

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-06-26 16:04

    So give the people the land that is owned by yourself, your comrades and government.... why TAKE land from people who worked hard for it and contribute toward the economy?

  • Gerald - 2012-06-26 16:04

    does this free land come with deep fried chickens or will the comrades be expected to convert live ones. Sounds like a lot of work to me

  • nspaynter - 2012-06-26 16:04

    The State has never ensured that I have land. Even during the apartheid era. I have had to buy my own land, and since had to sell it as I could no longer afford the bond repayments. Does this new proposal include all South Africans, regardless of race, or is this just for black Africans?

  • eddiebant - 2012-06-26 16:05

    But why the land of the farmers.Give them land to develop themselves.Let the farmers produce what they farm for and let the new farmers or landlords start their own.

      Irene - 2012-06-26 16:11

      It's easier to take than create.

  • collen.masetla - 2012-06-26 16:06

    So the whole president of the country has got nothing new that he thinks can help the country other than trying to be OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA? So this idiotic fellow called zuma and his anc faction find themselves havin to even try differ with OUR PRESIDENT at all costs so that they will be seen as smart people. We will be back....watch us.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 16:09

      I hope you mean GO back, to the Congo. Please take all the ANCYL tsotsis with you? Please? Pretty please?

  • africanwolf - 2012-06-26 16:06

    South Africa has plenty of land there is enough for everyone but who wants to live on a farm anyway?

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 16:12

      I think the idea is to take all the land that whites have worked hard to make fertile over the years, and give all that worked land to the blacks so that they don't have to. Then the whites will have to start over again and rework the hard land to make it fertile. I think that's the ANC's plan.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 17:24

      LOL Craig good luck with farming. Can't wait to watch you starve to death when your crops fail.

  • Richard - 2012-06-26 16:07

    Ask Bob for your ancestral grazing lands back and then live there please. The more the better go.

  • collen.masetla - 2012-06-26 16:07

    So the whole president of the country has got nothing new that he thinks can help the country other than trying to be OUR PRESIDENT JULIUS MALEMA? So this idiotic fellow called zuma and his anc faction find themselves havin to even try differ with OUR PRESIDENT at all costs so that they will be seen as smart people. We will be back....watch us.

      smili.fication - 2012-06-26 16:44

      JUST STFU... I know you have bent over like a prostitute for Malema - Zuma's condomized spear - but the rest of us don't want to hear how desperate you are.

  • shellerjc.rjc - 2012-06-26 16:10

    Give Me Give Me Give me Should the motto for the ANC

      braamc - 2012-06-26 16:45

      Yes, I want I want I want, we demand, we demand we demand

  • Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:13

    Have any of you ever lived in a poor area when you are well off. I have and I tell you people start to hate you just cos you are well off and not cos of who you are. They just want what you have its as simple as that!!

  • i.see.a.cupcake - 2012-06-26 16:14

    what will the poor do with the land once they have it?

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 16:24

      The same thing they do with everything once they have it. Do you know what 'eish' means? It means something expensive just broke and some white person will have to pay to fix it.

      shellerjc.rjc - 2012-06-26 16:24

      start a new informal settlement

      oomkrummel.krummel - 2012-06-26 16:55

      sell it back to the farmers who own it...?? They did that with the fishing quotas on the west coast...

  • malusi.shumane - 2012-06-26 16:15

    All we want z our land, Zuma. Dnt evn try 2 plz some MORONS with systems dt r failing native South Africas!

      david.t.gent - 2012-06-26 16:34

      seriously bro... and what then.. please enlighten me

      guy.brown.9277 - 2012-06-26 16:47

      Go get an education, work hard, save and perhaps you could BUY "your" land just as everyone else around THE WORLD has done for the past centuries. Bud, do really think that the ANC will hand over the land once THEY claim it? haha, please, you will get the dregs once all the prime land has been divided between the comrades.

      Billy - 2012-06-26 16:48

      it z anc dt r failing native south africas anc want u 2 take white man u 2 learn

  • riaan.louwrens.3 - 2012-06-26 16:17

    *yawn*

  • andre.mostert - 2012-06-26 16:18

    If you have "Land" make sure the Bank owns it. If the ANC wants to give it to someone else its the banks problem. Banks will crash and there will be less jobs and taxpayers.

  • flysouth - 2012-06-26 16:18

    As a person who has flown at low level over much of SA in light aircraft over 20+ years and seen the land from a perspective that few ever have the opportunity to emulate I find this quite extraordinary. Contrary to what politicians of the ANC seem to imply, this country is composed of huge tracts of vacant land - not under farming or urbanisation, or even kraals and the like - but simply empty, as it has always been. This land is all around abd begins very close to every town and city - and only small portions of it have been developed by farmers. The empty and so far 'unfarmed' land that begins outside the farmer's fence can hardly be termed unsuitable for farming - it is merely waiting to be developed, as the farmer had to do. In fact a flight along the Caledon River illustrates the stark contrast between what a real farmer can achieve and a subsistence farmer - on the SA side of the river all is lush and green through irrigation and proper management - on the other side there is simply nothing that looks like productive land. Why not? Lesotho has been independent for something like 50 years and is surely full of black people who desire land and would surely, one may believe have put it to productive use - it just ain't so! What then is the problem? -since it is my understanding that much of the truly empty land in SA does actually belong to the state who could simply give it to those who wish to farm and who can show they have the determination and ability to do this!

  • tishan.pillay - 2012-06-26 16:20

    Ok just one question.. what if the Title deeds are at the bank.. the owner has a Bond with the bank.. then what will they settle the bank for title deeds or just take the land.. will the bank then sue the owner or the government and do they then auction off that land due to the bond beingg in arrears..

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:29

      they will go for the farms where the bonds are paid off already

  • busisiwe.kubeka1 - 2012-06-26 16:20

    Land n economy to the black people yes n don't forget to nationlaze houses owned by whites especially North cliff in joburg

      africanwolf - 2012-06-26 16:24

      how about buying your own are you still in a shack?

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:31

      yeah all the apartheid racists live in Northcliff only, yeah right!!

      Irene - 2012-06-26 16:41

      Busisiwe doesn't aim very high does he. Northcliff? Rather try Morningside, Sandhurst, Bryanston ....

      smili.fication - 2012-06-26 16:48

      There are some nice house being built on that hill though... so I don't know about that. In anycase I am starting to see why apartheid wasn't such a bad idea.

      busisiwe.kubeka1 - 2012-06-26 17:00

      Am not far from Northcliff,am at Windsor Park n am eyeing Cresta Mall make it quick Zuma

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 17:04

      Nice houses are racist!! whahahaha!!

  • madise.paul - 2012-06-26 16:22

    I think rich white people r selfish, arrogant and need to be put in order!! The white people im working with r not rich and are so human beings!! MONEY MAKES PEOPLE DEVILS!

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-06-26 16:24

      Yes but it also give you a good education which can fix all your spelling and grammer issues. Just saying...

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-06-26 16:32

      And Rich black people? They really nice too, take all the money that is meant for the poor and spend it on themselves only? Explain that to me please? Are you OK with them taking all your money that we make and pay on taxes!

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:33

      Madise you sound like a communist! And we all know what happened to communism don't we?

      mandy.ferreira.773 - 2012-06-26 16:53

      Money makes people powerful.... That is why Malema and Zuma are devils ..... and they ain't even white ....

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 17:01

      And what about the rich black people? Are they not selfish?

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-26 16:25

    The government which owns most of the land could sell it far below market price to all those that want to be productive farmers under a review system instead of trying to steal going concerns.

  • braamc - 2012-06-26 16:27

    The state must ensure a lot of things even school books to children. Now look at the state of things..., in a state if you tell me

  • Fanie - 2012-06-26 16:30

    This is exactly what the PEOPLE wants to hear, both sides, "within the confines of the law", and the POOR must get land. If you are black and could not get rich in the last 18 years, chances are the problem lies with yourself. Giving land away wont solve the POOR issue, it is much deeper than just giving land away, anyway, at least 30 million people is SA is poor, who gets land? STUPID proposal, even more stupid to believe it will solve the issue.

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-06-26 16:30

    OK folks, guess where this is all going? The man wants to retain power and he knows where his support lies so this is going to get interesting - those that want vs those that have.

  • Andrew - 2012-06-26 16:30

    State must insure people have food first!!!

  • gembleton1 - 2012-06-26 16:39

    Before I comment news 24 let’s see what you are made of, delete my comment. The government of SA is so corrupt they don’t even know how corrupt, if they take the farms and the mines, there will be no food because the masses only know how to substance farm and the mines contribute the greatest amount of tax to this country, and when you nationalise there will be no tax income. so MR ZZZZZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMA you are a twit, you don’t deserve to be even called a presidential cleaning boy because you don’t have the brain to run a country successfully and you and all your brethren are just F%C*INg up a country that was once great and had the strongest economy in Africa, but if you carry on the way you are we will all be living in mud huts dressed in skins like you’re for fathers

      sean.mkhize.1 - 2012-06-26 16:51

      I don't know if u hv seen how developed this country is compared to pre 1994. The answer proves that what u a saying is just nonsense. You seem very depressed with your vulgar language. Try and be cool then u might wake up and smell the coffee. I'm not gonna use a insult u, that shows desperation. I hope u worth my writing this comment.

  • charl.malan.12 - 2012-06-26 16:50

    Why does our goverment think that every black person wants to farm? They just want the land, they don't give 2 sh*ts what happens to the land, as long as it doesn't belong to the so called minority! Jacob Zuma is just reading another speech today like a parrot!

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 16:57

      Well most of them will have a nice piece of land to starve on, since it won't solve job creation (exact opposite in fact) and it won't alleviate poverty. But don't stress. All I would do as a farmer, is wait 6 months then buy the land back for R500 and a papsak.

  • smili.fication - 2012-06-26 16:51

    BRING BACK APARTHEID>>>> WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ENDED IT- IF OUR -WHITES- HUMAN RIGHTS ARE NOT IMPORTANT WHY SHOULD -BLACK- HAVE SUCH A PRIVILEGE.

  • Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:52

    Here is a tip for farmers who have their land taken away, you make a good mix of salt, diesel and if you can some Trichloroethane. You spread this into the soil before you leave nothing will grow there for decades!!

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 17:21

      More fun just to burn everything down. There. There's your black land buddy.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-06-26 16:52

    Why are some people so defensive? Zuma is saying that everyone must have access to land, what's wrong with that?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 16:54

      He's not saying everyone - he's saying blacks, he's saying taking land without compensation. If he DID mean everyone (ie: farmers must even give a whitie like me a piece of his land for free) I will decline politely - I am proud to earn my own way thank you.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 16:55

      It is the way in which he is going to obtain land for everyone that makes people so defensive Lerato. This president of ours doesn't know what he is talking about. He is like a naughty child.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 16:57

      To the idiot - nothing. But the informed and intelligent we know exactly what is meant and what the result will be - ruined farms full of squatter camps. Clever move.

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 16:58

      what free access to land? hey man I had to pay for my land, so why should they get it for free!! If they want my land they get it back the way I found it.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 17:01

      Furthermore, the government keeps on giving to people who do not deserve it or do not know how to work with what they were given. I just wish that the government would educate people more. What you receive in life should not be because of skin color. It doesn't make sense. I'm currently a student at University, working extra hard just to be able to study. I tried to apply for a bursary but received a reply which said "only black persons or white persons with disabilities may apply. How is that not racist? I'm sorry, but I will forever hate this government.

  • victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 16:56

    Viva ANC Viva......The Transformation must change tact to ensure viability.

  • sean.mkhize.1 - 2012-06-26 16:57

    Why do most of the white people commenting here uses vulgar. Is it desperation? It is depression? Is it arrogance? Is it anxiety? Or they are just raised like that? This is an honest questions and no offense.

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 17:00

      cos we dont like tsotsi's,

      malusi.shumane - 2012-06-26 17:02

      We land n thoz who whine mst book d nxt flyt 2 Holland!

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:07

      Colonist Tsotsi's ???

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 17:07

      You are right, it is utter desperation and depression. Slowly but surely reverse apartheid is taking place. Malusi, good on you mate, you got it ;) *Holland

  • duma.nkabinde - 2012-06-26 16:59

    Land is the basis of all independence, justice and equality. The white man knows what a revolution is,how do you think he'll react when you find out what a revolution is??????????(Just check comments on news 24 the new white man is weak he got too comfortable)

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:01

      Agreed Duma.

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 17:04

      Erm if land was the basis of all independence then why all the urbanisation? Seeing as we are talking about revolution, the industrial revolution marked a transition from agricultural to industrial economies and with it large scale urbanisation. The world it now largely service and industrially based which require education and skills, surely then it must be argued that EDUCATION is the basis of independence.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 17:12

      Oh boy, aren't you in for a surprise if that's what you think. How terrible it must be to go through life an absolute moron.

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-06-26 17:29

      Sure pal, just another small minded, uneducated puppet!

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 17:02

    The new SA Anthem (to a techno beat on a Casio keyboard): WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT WANT TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE HAVE (CHORUS) WANT TAKE HAVE (repeat for ten minutes)

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:05

      This is the old NP mantra........You are confused obviously.

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 17:09

      Only ten minutes, try many years. Getting so old!

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 17:09

      There is a cover version of that song it goes WANT STEAL SELL

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-26 17:17

      Gareth - can't wait for the remix: WANT FOOD PLEASE

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-06-26 17:22

      @Hugh. Want food PLEASE? What a polite song. =)

  • manu.dibango.96 - 2012-06-26 17:08

    When an overwhelming force is headed for you and your home you have basically three choices. 1. You can jump out of the way and escape harm but lose your home 2. You can try to deflect the force. But you accept that you will suffer some harm and lose part of your home ... but not all of it. 3. You can stand your ground and face the force head on. Of course moments later ambulances will be picking your body from the rubble of your home. If aliens were to land tomorrow they would be asking each other, "Look at these people! What kind of a fool chooses option number 3?" Let's be honest here, this issue will never go away until it is resolved to the satisfaction of the black majority. You can make all the excuses you want, you can go to court everyday, you can even complain to the whole world about the unfairness of your plight. But the fact is that the problem will remain unresolved and eventually somebody will come along and solve it. At the moment that person can be you. But let it linger and it will be someone else and that someone elese may not be sympathetic to your concerns. Now here is a reality check for you. If the problem is solved by forcefully taking what you believe to be yours, don't expect too many tears to be shed. History is funny like that, being right doesn't mean much if you don't win. If you don't believe me then talk to the Zim farmers. They will tell you that nobody cares that their cause was just. They chose option number 3. Not so smart.

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:10

      hehehehheehee.....well constructed....well done.

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 17:14

      Whilst that may well be true, will it solve anything, we're talking about agricultural land that is 3 percent of the gdp, the remaining 45 million won't get rich from that. Besides what then of the banks who own all the bonds to the land? They will collapse, and the mines? Where will the money to run the farms and mines come from? Now seeing as our biggest trade partner china owns big chunks of our banks and mines and we've just screwed them over who will we sell what little minerals we produce to?

      Gareth - 2012-06-26 17:15

      option 4. Jump out the way and then demolish your own home That way you get nothing, yes nothing!! Remember one thing Manu, we can afford to buy another house you CAN'T!!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-26 17:41

      More importantly Mr.Clever - speak of the results in Zim. What was gained? Do we see anything productive or constructive from the Zim scenario? But as an idiot, you will follow even though it didn't work.

      manu.dibango.96 - 2012-06-26 17:46

      Gareth you are quite right you can buy a new home ... but it won't be in the same place.

  • Mpilwenhle Zwane - 2012-06-26 17:13

    im a young student who daz alot of research . i hv discoverd dat da mines ar ownd by foreign country's n they sell us wat we sold dm at a higher price...bt im nt at war oll i want is da president 2 buy new technology dat cn convert da minerals into finishd goods ....providn jobs 4 us !!

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:19

      All funds received from the sale or trading of RSA minerals must be directed through a RSA Governmental department for scrutiny and a minimum 75% of these funds (Billions a week) must be reinvested in RSA economy and accelerate transformation.

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 17:20

      You are completely correct! As I've been saying the industrial and service industries contain much more wealth! The problem is that whilst we are busy arguing over the 2 percent of the economy our education sector which would allow us to compete internationally is suffering!!!

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:26

      Why was RSA mining 25% of the GDP in the 1960's and currently 6% of the GDP however prices and production output have increased over 1000%. Here's why..... The mining fraternity is screwing RSA for their Western partners. THIS WILL STOP SOON.

      el.torro.509 - 2012-06-26 17:33

      Yes the mining industry is screwing us because we don't value our education system that would allow us to process ourselves.\r\nI love how you keep blaming the west when infact china is the one buying up all the minerals and mines and banks! If you nationalise do you think they are going to be happy about it?

  • carel.hancke.12 - 2012-06-26 17:23

    Black nations never fought over land. They did not know that land could be owned. They fought to take each others cattle and women and they sometimes ate their opponents. They were left behind on the southern tip of Africa, which was noy their fault. Fortunately for them the white man came and through means of this contact they started to develop and learn what was going on in the rest of the world. Whwn the white man arrived on the southern tip of Africa the blacks were about 8 centuries in arrears to the whites. In 3 centuries' time whites have picked them up to where they are now, I'd say still about 50% of blacks are still 50 to 100 years in arrears. The blacks should be grateful, had countries like America or Germany settled here they could have been wiped off the face of the earth. This could have been the result of the fact that theft was always part of their nature, and they were not always very accomodating. Today it's I want......a house .......land......a job......never the words; assist me to buy or earn what I would like to have.

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-26 17:32

      When born from the Land, Ownership is never questioned. This is a European notion which emigrated to Africa. It critically obvious that your perception of this land is from a Bias European perspective. If you walk a mile in African shoes you would realize that the concept of questioning ownership of the land is ridiculously fascicle.

  • sisa.mtwana - 2012-06-26 17:34

    Game over guys.The apartheid horse is Dead.The ghost of that horse can kick as much as it like. The government is our ,the army is ours ,the police are ours and we are the Khoi and San people .So stop your divide and rule .We are not asking you but telling you that we are taking our land back .May'buye Africa . There's an African saying "Those who have ears are guilty"

  • piet.pompies.5458 - 2012-06-26 17:40

    To our dear Mr Zuma, I urge you to take our land.... the ANC has worked 18 years to uneducated our youth, take our firearms and to provoke our community through killing our farmers and family members. I know you are waiting for us to rise up so that you can declare us as terrorists and wipe us out through civil war. Unfortunately you are using age old tactics (from a book like Animal Farm really? Did you not read the end??? Hahaha), and this my dear ANC followers will be your undoing. You never mess with an angry boer that has nothing more to loose and we have proven ourselves through the ages. Ek hoop iemand sal hierdie gemors stop, want die laaste ding wat ons en ons kinder nou kan bekostig is oorlog. Groetnis en sterkte :)

  • Nathaniel - 2012-06-26 17:45

    Again, ELECTIONEERING. Remember the people's contract? What happened to it? I would love to believe this nonsense, but with the ANC reluctantly accepting that it has failed and lost the plot, I will have to say that this is another ploy to gain relevence by singing a tune of land grabs which will sound nice to a lot of black folks. Train the people to work the land, implement processes to see that the land handed over is profitable,and dispose of the land government is holding. Do not grab land just to appease your constituency. People with ideas, the ability to realize the ideas and selling them are the ones who will achieve economic freedom. If you think that giving land to African people will bring economic freedom, you have another thing coming. Ask Zimbabweans.