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Stop blaming apartheid, officials told

2011-11-24 16:28

Johannesburg - Municipal leaders and officials should stop blaming poor service delivery on apartheid, Co-operative Governance Minister Richard Baloyi said on Thursday.

"We can't blame it [service delivery] on apartheid. Gone are those days," he told a conference on municipal infrastructure in Boksburg.

"Today, we cannot claim that we do not own this infrastructure. It is for us to rise above it and do something [about failing infrastructure]."

The conference was discussing ways of supporting municipalities with planning, developing, repairing and maintaining ailing infrastructure, in order to improve service delivery.

Comments
  • Go - 2011-11-24 16:36

    Good for you Baloyi, more people like you needed in government

      Robert - 2011-11-24 19:57

      I am telling you its all about stuff

  • Jono - 2011-11-24 16:36

    It will never change, apartheid is the escape root to all ANC problems and issues they can’t and will never resolve. Maybe stealing less money from tax payer and using it to better infrastructure will help a little bit.

      Siyanda_Ngobetha - 2011-11-24 17:37

      I prefer the term "reason" over "scapegoat" and "excuse".

      raath - 2011-11-25 07:48

      @Siyanda: I thought you preferred the term "stuff"?

  • Hugh - 2011-11-24 16:39

    Unbloody believable. Sense at last.

  • Shirley - 2011-11-24 16:39

    Richard Baloyi had a moment of clarity! However he is a lonely spokesman when it comes to the rest of the anc. This apartheid excuse is used for everything that the government fail to achieve. Its time we had a government with a backbone who could face up to their short falls and act upon them!

  • Christopher - 2011-11-24 16:39

    Thank YOU!!! About time somebody has realised, that you cant blame everything on Apartheid. Its been 17 years. What has this Government been doing for 17 years, if everything is being blamed on Apartheid.

  • willie.vanzyl1 - 2011-11-24 16:43

    Truth is... apartheid is a very convenient scapegoat for the poor incompetent fools... As soon as they are caught out and seen for the useless, unqualified idiots which they are... they cry apartheid... It's pathetic really..

  • Bob - 2011-11-24 16:43

    I think he bumped his head recently....sure the amnesia will wear off somewhere along the line and he will be back to his normal old self again!

  • Carlo Hayes - 2011-11-24 16:45

    Infrastructure was given to this government in first world standards!! Where are we know??

  • Pieter - 2011-11-24 16:45

    What other strategy could they use then? Most of them (all of them actually) can't count past ten.

  • Piet - 2011-11-24 16:46

    During apartheid some of it actually worked!!!!!

  • TheSlip - 2011-11-24 16:46

    Am I the only one that read it as "Stop blaming apartheid, officials lold"?

      rianadk - 2011-11-25 08:21

      Huh? Seriously Siyanda? When do you work? It looks to me that all you do all day is to make comments on News24. Get a life!

  • Mugwanti - 2011-11-24 16:48

    yes!

  • Ben - 2011-11-24 16:53

    It was like blaming all ailments on smoking. If the real cause is not admitted and attended to there will be no cure. Here is one man who uses his brains. Thank you.

  • Alva - 2011-11-24 16:55

    Wow! Good on you Richard Baloyi!

  • Kerry - 2011-11-24 17:00

    Eish, Mr Baloyi, I must salute you for your remarks, but fear that you are going to be hounded by your fellow ministers / officials for your enlightenment. Good for you sir. Keep those comments coming.

      Alfred - 2011-11-24 17:16

      Salute him for what? Stating the obvious? Are our expectations so low that we applaud our esteemed leaders for having some common sense?

  • Shoe - 2011-11-24 17:00

    I'm never gonna stop blaming apartheid. They created the mass we have come to know as the ANC. How can any sane person not realize that had there been no apartheid, there'd be NO ANC. Sies.

      Carlo Hayes - 2011-11-24 17:06

      Put a shoe in it!!!!!

      Johncarlos ? Biza - 2011-11-24 18:46

      I agree with you to an infinite percentage. The ANC is an arm of the Apartheid system. It's one of their many monsters. When I hear one of them speak, I hear Apartheid-style ideologies and views. The devil has changed colours.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-24 19:06

      I hate to say it but some people are out of control, look into there past, what they believe in and what they did ! And then it makes more sense ? I'm not agreeing with apartheid , at all, but answer this ! How would you control an ever growing population of people who belief what witch doctors tell them , use child body parts in their medicine , think sex with a child is normal , have virginity parties(reed dances) where young virgins are put onto display , in general have no respect for life , woman , possessions and completely lack compassion ? Please note I'm generalizing and in noway mean this is prevalent today , you make up your own mind! Look at African role models Mugabe , killing his own people , Zuma with 5 wives and 25 kids and list goes on. If there were more Madiba's and Ghandi's in the South African public I would have a different out look! I'm not racist , I'm a realist and see evil in every race. But the cultural choices are shocking like have twenty kids so they can support you later on in life , I try and see what's there and then make up my own mind! I'm often wrong and don't care anymore but when corrected I look at the information through objective eyes. The males of our species are messed up and have been in control from the start , now we need to hand over the reins to the more delicate part of us , woman. Who, since the beginning of time have been neglected and abused ? We need a fresh start and if its born in racism it'll end in hatred.

      Heinrich - 2011-11-24 19:37

      Shoe...I'm a fan.

  • sarie.katzke - 2011-11-24 17:08

    Give that man a Bells!!!

  • Shirley - 2011-11-24 17:10

    Siyanda Ngobetha: Show me 1 black run country in Africa that has made a success of it. Then tell me what this government has done to uplift its own people since 1194. Then explain to me hoe a black government can rob from the poorest BLACK people living in poverty in S.A.? Then tell me where you get your 400 years from because whatever your source-its fabricated. People like you need and want rascism to persist because it aids your excuses for failures. Dont talk about social opression-whaite people dont beat a foreigner to death for no reason do they??? Be a man-stop whining and build a life,stop going on about Cr#p because when blacks start to realise that the very freedom of VOTING that they fought for is being bought from them each election by a bag of empty promises. Bottom line-you voted for the government and they are the ones short changing you. NOT Mr White,Indian,Coloured!!!!

  • Larry - 2011-11-24 17:10

    Can't stop, addicted to it. Its the only excuse I have. I cant do without it.

  • Jerhone - 2011-11-24 17:18

    why does he not say blame it on ourselves

  • Johan Grobbelaar - 2011-11-24 17:19

    Since when is common sense new? O wait, its the ANC we talking about...

  • Calvin - 2011-11-24 17:24

    Apartheid is still alive. Because black people only have the political power. What is needed is a total revolution. Without economic power a black person is merely window dressing. I blame the stupid and naive aprtheid. If it was not fo it this country would be far. Lets stop mockering one another. Black people have reconciled but most white people think they are special. Let me remind you that South Africa is in AFRICA. If you keep on with that atitude you will regret one day.

      Alfred - 2011-11-24 17:57

      You want economic freedom? Get a job like everyone else. Actually I'm wrong, not like everyone else. Not everyone else gets jobs they aren't qualified for or gets their grades ramped up due to the colour of their skin. You say if it weren't for apartheid this country would have gotten far? You mean like that uncolonised African paradise called Liberia? Do you think that SA used to stand out from the rest of Africa by pure coincidence? "Black people have reconciled but most white people think they are special" Yeh, well the last time a black man extended the olive branch to me he must have got it mixed up with his 9mm but I definitely do think I'm special. I'm part of the only minority group in the world that affirmative action actually discriminates against.

      jody.beggs - 2011-11-24 19:21

      @Calvin really. What would Africans have in Africa if all colonialist didn't arrive. Nothing ! More kings ruling with an iron fist like Shaka , no towns , cities , technology ! The poverty would be astounding and the violence , really you want that to happen ! The only reason we are half a first world country is because we brought it with us ! Would you really live in a Kraal eating pap and ijuba with no ambition for change and betterment ? Listening to your king running on thorns ? Really .... The only way forward is with education and understanding. Apartheid is still around because of people like you, ignorance is truly blissful just drink your beer and forgot about reality right ? Wrong , we are here now together and we either work together or fight it out , you choose ! Damn South African ignorance , save the rainbow nation !

      Christopher - 2011-11-24 20:25

      See somebody deleted my comment. Truth must really hurt.

      akaRags - 2011-11-24 21:50

      Black people have the majority power of all the ANC government depts, that IS in their hands - and if run 100% PROPERLY/EFFECIENTLY could be profitable and such depts ARE a part of the South African economy, given that with taxpayers money, (whites inclusive) they employ over 90% black people in the gvt sector - such depts are not merely political. SARS does it job properly, probably because they know they have to, to get all the tax payers money, after it leaves SARS, well that's the problem. How many municipalities are in a shambles, because of, at the end of the day, unecessary wastage of (taxpayers) money and unecessary power struggles? If people cannot see that driving cars close to the R1 Million mark, when there are cars that are easily half the price and quite reliable reliable, IS a wastage of money, then it just goes to show certain people put more of a value on materialism, than they do on the quality of human life, while so many more still live in shacks and below the poverty line, and the same goes for unecessary tenders/deals/policies, that only spread money among the few at the top. The ANC has the economic power within all it's depts, ie taxpayers money, but it IS wasting money, spreading the money at the top, instead of ensuring ALL South Africans benefit. If you had really reconciled with whites, you wouldn't be telling them to change their attitudes & making threats - ie "you will regret........" That is NOT reconcilliation.

  • Teboho N Shelile - 2011-11-24 17:26

    i thought the Prez is still blaming it? recently here on 24 der was a story about grants and this country turnin into a welfare state.......i think right there de Prez blamed it on apartheid?.....who is foolin who?.....

  • Sheik - 2011-11-24 17:26

    Apartheid will still get the blame a hundred years from now.

  • Giulietta - 2011-11-24 17:27

    I think Siyanda has a point (speaking as a privileged white woman). Whites in SA thought they could just sweep apartheid away as a bad memory and expected black S.Africans to be on the same happy-campers plain, immediately. Very hard to lift oneself out of poverty. Although I find it v. hard to excuse malfeasance in the public sector, especially as it coudl be a force for good.

      Philisiwe Msomi - 2011-11-24 17:44

      thank you! Speaking as a black successful young woman who has lifted herself out of poverty, im glad some white people understand that.and i do agree with the article thou...it s pathetic to blame aparteid on poor service delivery

      Johncarlos ? Biza - 2011-11-24 18:41

      The country could use more people with your sensitivity and reasonableness towards other people's issues....the whole world actually. I really appreciate reading your post. And like the post above, I'm a product of apartheid rags to democracy relative riches . If more older white people were like you, they'd be a lot fewer black racists today. It's hard for blacks to sympathize with white issues when they are dealing with 'get over apartheid effects/it wasn't so bad/it was your fault/you deserved it' attitudes.

      StarStruck - 2011-11-24 21:24

      I agree with your comment but something should also be added. Life is becoming harder for everyone everywhere because of greed and things are only going to get worse by the looks of the rest or the World. I can only imagine what this means for the poorest of the poor which include white people. The ANC themselves said that the biggest threat facing South Africans is corruption. Transparency is absolutely fatal to uplifting a nation that has been forgotten by its leaders

      StarStruck - 2011-11-24 21:25

      Typo - Vital

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2011-11-24 17:28

    I agree with the minister and it is not in favor of Apartheid, ANC, good or bad, but based on the fact that we now have to look in what we do wrong. What we do right. Keep the right. Change the wrong and built for the better. There are too many people that look for excuses. If it is against Apartheid or against a black government. In the mean time too many people suffer, do not get value for their money and South Africa is not scoring by all these excuses. Yes, there were many wrongs in Apartheid and than there were good systems, but not develop at a level where it serviced the full population. We do have plenty rotten apples in the current government, but all is not bad and there are sometimes good ideas coming out of it. We can now each go and sit in his little "self proclaimed group" or we can agree, for once, for the better for all and the country and start working harder towards it. The way we, currently, each pulling in his/her own way/direction will not help us at all.

  • Hilda - 2011-11-24 17:32

    aT LAST...THANK YOU RICHARD BALOYI.

  • Shirley - 2011-11-24 17:43

    Siyanda Ngobetha: Do you know what plunder means? If it wasnt for mining developement this country would still look like a village. Plundering= blood diamonds,claiming white owned productive farms and turning them into barren pieces of land with scrap metal,state owned mines which are stripped by the "elite" few,state monies spent and defrauded by state emplyees whilst people sit without housing,medicine etc.Oceans which a re over fished causing extinction of certain fish species. The list is endless-check up who are the culprits!

  • Winsome - 2011-11-24 17:44

    Good grief, 17 years on ......

  • Kenneth - 2011-11-24 17:49

    I think Siyanda_Ngobetha should stop living in the past. Bottom line is if he is still feeling oppresses and underprivilaged after more than 17 years of which the country is being run by the ANC he should look at who is sitting in parlament and stop blaming the white man. Because the country is being run by black men and women now. So if you have a problem with your poverty, start voting DA because clearly the ANC isn't looking after their voters like they said they would. And go ask them why, they will probably say the information is classified, LoL.

      Siyanda_Ngobetha - 2011-11-24 17:57

      The past is in the present!

      Siyanda_Ngobetha - 2011-11-24 18:28

      Trolls do not interact with people on an intelectual level at least.

  • Thuso - 2011-11-24 18:00

    Bravo, the bible says all these things work 2gether for the good, let us enjoy ourself in this country that was beautified by apartheid, countries that did not have apartheid are flocking to SA just to share with us the sweet smelling fruit of apartheid. If we continue to complain, we will miss it.

  • Balletjies - 2011-11-24 18:07

    Siyanda,hamba khaya, njinja wena. Dom donner.

  • Thapelo Mokomele - 2011-11-24 18:12

    Finally, someone in government has said what ppl have been saying. But when Jacob zuma( in state address) uses it to explain to the ppl why they can't get service delivery, it has to start from the top then come down. Break the laziness

  • Peter - 2011-11-24 18:29

    They will still be using that excuse in the next two generations!!!!!!

  • Daan - 2011-11-24 18:35

    Tell them, my brother from another mother!!

  • Perfume5 - 2011-11-24 18:44

    Kudos to you Mr Balyi, us South Africans have been saying this everyday, when things fail, then government wants to blame the past, and bring race into it.

  • Lynn - 2011-11-24 19:13

    Finally someone sees the light. Well done Minister Baloyi.

  • Nicolas Geduld - 2011-11-24 19:19

    Ouch

  • peter.vanachter - 2011-11-24 19:29

    Finaly a wise word from an official, wel said Mr Baloyi

  • braamc - 2011-11-24 19:32

    Now the next thing is to stop stealing and get competent people doing the job then you get my thumbs up, unlikely the thieving corrupt lifestyles will never suit the ANC

  • braamc - 2011-11-24 19:44

    I think Siyanda is a drag queen

  • akaRags - 2011-11-24 19:59

    @Siyanda - Interesting to see that the article from yesterday, - "ANC outraged over censored Wiki page", that all your comments have been deleted. Why delete them? (Unless News24.com did, which I doubt). When the "debate" doesn't go your way, are you unable to take the heat? You have your opinions, & make your comments, you are more than entitled to that, as I am my own, but don't expect many people here to take you seriously when you delete (take back?) your comments and cry racist whenever you are challenged.

  • Sheda - 2011-11-24 20:22

    Hear, hear.

  • alison.scheppel - 2011-11-24 20:26

    Minister Baloyi for president.

      Gary Gasson - 2011-11-24 20:55

      Where do we vote!

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2011-11-25 00:33

    Some people have realised that blaming history for their flaws would not help. Someone who was born in 1994 and beyond has reached a voting age and does not care about history and policies but needs service delivery. Do i need history to get a job? No.

  • nick.sailer - 2011-11-25 03:49

    In 2006 I attended a conference where the then minister of trade and industry, Mandisi Mpahlwa said 'The ANC erred when it set asside the comprehensive plan left behind by the previous (apartheid) government for the continued maintenance and development of ESKOM'. It was a chilling admission that the when the ANC came to power in 1994, in an incredibly foolish, short sighted and classic case of throwing the baby out with the bath water, they set aside all the ground work that had been left behind by the previous government. They had it all given to them in perfect working condition, and all they had to do as they learnt the ropes of how to govern was to just follow the instructions, but they threw it all away, so that they 'could do there own thing'. How dare the ANC now blame the previous government for their abysmal track record. They are like stupid greedy petulent children, pouring scorn on the hard work of their parents, who need a good spanking. They have failed and continue to fail the people whom they promised to uplift. They have only themselves to blame as they thundered down the road to predition. I include the Mandela regime, as the rot began on his watch, and as he smilingly introduce our new nation to the world, his stooges where stealing the silver, crapping on the carpets and wrecking the house behind his back, and he was too preoccupied and inexperienced to stop the looting that had begun. They have become the new enemy of the people. They need to go.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2011-11-25 06:18

      Agree. Sure, a lot of what the ANC inherited from apartheid was negative - no denying that, but they also inherited a lot of positive stuff. They did not look after the good stuff they inherited, and failed to deal with fixing the bad stuff - as their focus was all on self gain, and not about "the people" they claim to represent. Some blame can probably be put on the shoulders of some "reluctant to change" white people, but the overwhelming fault currently lies with this self serving ANC regime - they are responsible for the current mess we have. Overwhelmingly!

  • Silvana - 2011-11-25 06:32

    Yup election time is coming up soon. Maybe too much too late. At least Richard Baloyi has a brain cell.

  • Boer - 2011-11-25 07:00

    jEEZZ At last someone with a brain. Apartheid is dead so blaming everything always on apartheid a sign of uselesness and incompetence.

  • DarrenCooper68 - 2011-11-25 07:02

    Many ills can fairly be blamed on apartheid. Fine but we cant change the past. We can change the future Do we have the will, the skills, the people with a half decent work ethic and sound morals that are required to get on with the job of maintaining the inherited current infrastructure nevermind improving anything. Hell no and therein lies the problem As a test rename nothing, give new roads, suburbs, Cities, buildings, airports etc new names.

  • Joanita - 2011-11-25 07:58

    Most sensible Minister thus far!!!! bye bye apartheid, hello reality!