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Talks with Afrikaners frank, open - ANC

2012-05-09 07:23

Johannesburg - Discussions between the ruling party and Afrikaner organisations on Tuesday were frank and open, the ANC said.

"The meeting identified a number of priority areas dear to the Afrikaans speaking community which require discussion and debate leading to consensus," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu.

"This included, amongst others, the question of education and training, land reform, economic empowerment, as well as language, linguistic and cultural rights."

The ANC met with 19 Afrikaans bodies in Johannesburg. They included the Afrikanerbond, the Nederduitse Gereformeerde Kerk, the Afrikaanse Taal en Kultuurvereniging, the Afrikaanse Taalraad and the Federation of Governing Bodies of SA Schools.

The ANC delegation included ANC treasurer general Mathews Phosa, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe, Agriculture, Forestry and Fisheries Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson, and Public Enterprises deputy minister Enoch Godongwana.

The convenors of the ANC Progressive Business Forum, Renier Schoeman and Daryl Swanepoel, also attended the meeting.

Governance


Mthembu said agreements were met on certain structural arrangements that would be put in place to ensure that ongoing attention was given to the issues raised. A report was being put together and would be tabled at the ANC's national executive committee meeting next weekend.

"All parties expressed their appreciation for the platform and enthusiasm to be involved in the envisaged process. The process will also be expanded to include other organisations which were not present at today's summit," said Mthembu.

Earlier, Phosa said the Afrikaans groups were worried about the state of governance in South Africa.

"There was a feeling that leadership needs to shape up and address the issue of good governance."

He said other issues of concern related to service delivery, especially at local government level, security in urban and rural areas, and the position of the Afrikaans language and culture.

Phosa said he felt the discussions had gone well.

"There were no holy cows... we said talk like you talk in the northern suburbs, don't hide things, we want to hear things," he said.

"We must embrace them and deal with the issues. We are not here to be buddy-buddy. We made it clear to them we not looking for votes, we are looking at issues that affect the nation... things which worry the nation."

Phosa said the organisations spoke about their reservations, and said the merit of government appointments was being undermined.

Some raised issues about black economic empowerment.

Phosa said he was touched when one of the organisations spoke about positive citizenship.

"They want to participate, they want to give input into the policies."

He said the ANC had also raised issues, such as rural security, with the Afrikaner organisations.

"We said, well, there must also be security for farm workers, you must treat them in a humane manner. We [are] giving each other both sides [of the story]... so not one perspective dominates," said Phosa.

Ulterior motives


The Freedom Front Plus earlier said the ANC had ulterior motives in holding talks with Afrikaans groups.

"[It] has more to do with the ANC's forthcoming election conference and the political survival of Mr Gwede Mantashe, than it has to do with a real concern for minority groups' and Afrikaans people's interests," FF Plus leader Pieter Mulder said.

"Talks with hidden agendas, however, bedevil relationships, break trust between groups and result in nothing."

He said the FF Plus had always been in favour of talks, and the party's history of talks with the ANC proved that, but he wanted to know what the "sudden interest" was.

"If the objective with the talks is to go gain the political support of minorities for the ANC and to boost individual candidates' images with a view to the ANC's election conference, it is doomed to fail," said Mulder.

Mantashe said the ANC had an obligation to understand the concerns of Afrikaans bodies in the country.

"Whether they vote for us or not, we have an obligation to understand where they are coming from, and their concerns."

He said the organisations had voiced some concerns, and wanted to make a contribution to South Africa.

"People want to make a contribution in making South Africa work and making South Africa a better country to live in."

The Afrikaans language also featured in the discussions.

"What came out was that there is no intention of elevating Afrikaans at the expense of other languages," Mantashe said.

Phosa and Mantashe said more meetings of this nature would be held and there would be feedback on the progress made.

"Our view is that maybe we should meet more with not only them [Afrikaans groups], but with many other stakeholders in a much more structured and regular way, and give feedback to each other about problems and issues raised in this meeting," said Phosa.

Comments
  • Merven - 2012-05-09 07:29

    I for one don't trust the ANC as far as I can spit. How can they sing the 'Kill the Boer' song a year ago and many other racist remarks, and now suddenly they want to talk. There is a snake in the grass, a green, black and yellow snake.

      Eric - 2012-05-09 09:34

      Two words: PIET RETIEF!

      Buzz - 2012-05-09 09:59

      Agree Merven. Al that happens is talk talk talk talk talk, babble babble, snooze, zzzzzz, "skrik wakker", it's Lunch time - "Where is the KFC?"

      Freddie - 2012-05-09 10:00

      I don't trust them for one second. When are the ANC going to hold discussions with white English speaking people in South Africa? We are just as marginalised and oppressed as Afrikaners. Or is it the ANC's plan to divide minorities?? Good luck with that you inefficient, useless racists.

      martin.obrien1 - 2012-05-09 10:33

      Well, look who was there? Forestry and Fisheries Minister Tina Joemat-Pettersson, is this not the same minister in the news last week complaining about http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Cape-Town-Press-Club-has-ANC-members-20120508 and isnt she the same minister on Carte Blanche (http://beta.mnet.co.za/carteblanche/) that is messing up the fishery industry and corruption with tenders... Think they want to rip the Afrikaaners off a bit more I think...

      Herman - 2012-05-09 11:02

      Makes me think of Dingaan - untrustable!

      William - 2012-05-09 11:04

      But what if they genuinely want to resolve these issues? Should we spit in their face and say NO! We do not want to talk to you! What happens then? Silly, silly, silly comments talking about Piet Retief and so on. The world has changed. Make a positive contribution, rather than spewing your noxious fear-driven drivel. The reconciliation of this country is running on the fumes of '95. It was people that created that feeling and only people can bring it back. The ANC, in my opinion, is showing leadership on this matter, by publicly engaging a key demographic that is struggling. Whether they act on the advice/suggestions, is another story, but don't shoot the messenger before he's delivered the message. It may be good news.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:38

      PhilMemon. Why did they wait almost twenty years?.

  • barrys72 - 2012-05-09 07:38

    But granny why's your eyes so big... ala Red Riding-hood comes to mind

  • rankati - 2012-05-09 07:43

    Lol...

      Brad - 2012-05-09 10:10

      LMFGA! :)

  • Frank - 2012-05-09 07:48

    I think that the afrikaans comunity is trying to be difficult and dont want to be ruled by black people period. You are wasting your time ANC with them!

      Vicker - 2012-05-09 07:59

      No Frank, the Afrikaans community don't want to be GOVERNED by incompetent, rascist, thieving thugs. BTW - your problem is the fact that you see yourself as being RULED by your ANC Gumment. RSA is a republic, not a feudal kingdom. Brush up on your Democracy 101....

      Stille - 2012-05-09 08:01

      yes frank, and us whites are wasting our times with the likes of you trying to educate you up to a basic functional level. If the whites in this country all left it will be weeks before the entire system grinds to a halt. For example. Eskom, Telkom, Sandf, redistributed farms, border patrols\control. You took working entities and destroyed it with your inbred stupidity. Moron.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 08:07

      Viker, The ANC is the ruling party in this Democracy. Stille, Keep on dreaming, The so called Brain drain has not affected RSA progress , We know what we are doing.

      Jason - 2012-05-09 08:16

      Just to throw a spanner in the works, the problem with the anc is basically they have there pals working in departments where serious tasks need to be addressed. I know a lot of black people that are 10 times smarter and more competent then politicians in the ANC, also to add just as much educated whites and blacks seek oppertunities outside of South Africa, so the brain drain is happening across all races. I think if we had put the DA in power before 1994 they would have a lot more power then they currently do now. We as white South Africans should of given the DA a chance aswell.

      Leon - 2012-05-09 08:18

      In a democracy the people rule, no? but it is that same mentality which you display here, that you vote for. we are tired of being ruled by incompetent, lying dictators. we voted the previous bunch out of government, but now sit with more of the same. we've really made peace with being ruled by any gender and any race, but we wont give up on transparency, repsonsibility and competence. thats non negotiable.

      alwynb - 2012-05-09 08:18

      what a troll!

      asivhanga - 2012-05-09 08:23

      @Stille you're a stupid fool. What makes you think if you left we will suffer. If it was not Madiba we could've chased you guys and we can still do that.

      Stille - 2012-05-09 08:30

      @tamaranui - " We know what we are doing " - Really? Sanral, Shaik, Mbeki, Aids, Childrape, lack of service delivery, incompetent police officers, sub standard education, murder capitol of the world, unemployment...the list is endless. So sit down before you hurt yourself. @Ashi - tell you what, why dont you send your brother, sisterm, children to MY ouse and see what happens when you put your claws on my property. Good luck and bring you muthi, you will need it.

      Frank - 2012-05-09 08:36

      Listern here, its either you are governed or else you leave this country! We have a responsibility of delivering service to our people and attending to moaners who are always moaning at everything that blacks do! So please dont make me naar!!!

      colin.dovey - 2012-05-09 08:38

      @Frank - what you very limited perspective demonstrates is that you did not know that there are MANY Coloured AND black people whose FIRST language IS Afrikaans - but you have fallen into the trap that many racially myopic and bigoted people do - the ANC is only talking because they KNOW they are losing support at every turn due to their bungling and ineptitude. The coloured Afrikaner vote is a MAJOR factor in the W. Cape, and the ANC is trying to win back that Province....

      Stille - 2012-05-09 08:41

      So define OUR people frank....you cant govern a one man party even if you tried.

      Vicker - 2012-05-09 08:46

      @Frank: Just because the headline of this article is "Talks with Afrikaners FRANK, open", was not a personal invitation for you to comment here. Leave this rather to the grown ups, boy...

      Keith - 2012-05-09 09:42

      Tamaranui writes, "We know what we are doing." So do we,the taxpaying public. Reading most of the comments openly accusing politicians and senior ANC members of theft, corruption and even murder, from the top down, without hardly a single voice in defence, and then knowing that nothing will be done to bring the 'presumably' guilty to justice causes us to tar eveybody with the same brush. As for service delivery, even the Auditor General is now worried about the lack of maintenance of South Africa's infrastructure.

      Freddie - 2012-05-09 10:20

      Wow Frank, "I think"... really? Can you?

      Herman - 2012-05-09 11:06

      @Tamaranui. What democrasie? Malema was 100% correct when he referred to govt as a dictatorship!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:28

      Democracy has NO dictators......Just look out the window at the Liberated. This simple fact escapes you............WAKE UP. And now Malema is Correct.Horses for courses whenever it qualifies the BS.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:39

      Frank, don't try and think.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:41

      Asivhanga, cowards always threaten and then go hide behind bigger people. But hey, come on, walk your talk. Idiot.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:45

      Tamaranui, may be you want to enlighten us why you lived in New Zealand so long?. If you wonder why I did, I was in exile. But seriously you are starting to sound like a born again Christian. You know that holier than thou attitude and the drive to 'teach' others.!!!! Geez

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:47

      Frank is a troll. Delivering service to our people. What a joke.

  • Vicker - 2012-05-09 07:48

    "...which require discussion and debate..." - WRONG you f'ing dimwits!!! What we need is ACTION ACTION ACTION.... Just more of the same old BS - all they are good for is lining their own pockets at the expense of the country, and "engaging in meaningful debate".

  • Adam - 2012-05-09 07:49

    anc will NEVER get my vote.

      Frank - 2012-05-09 08:53

      @Adam: we will continue to rule this country WITHOUT your vote. Donate it to other parties we dont need it!

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 09:39

      The question is do they need your vote!

      Keith - 2012-05-09 10:04

      Adam, I don't think Frank cares. He is not worried that Millions upon Millions are being stolen or wasted, or that the money wasted on the Arms Deal could have provided nearly 500 000 extra jobs; after all the people wasting or stealing the money "know what they are doing", and they are our rulers/governors/dictators and we must accept it without comment.

  • Glyn - 2012-05-09 07:52

    Just another tendency! Votes by stealth! Pandering to Afrikaner tribalism! Hood-winking the Afrikaners! Afrikaners! Do not trust the anc! Give the anc a fright by voting DA. That will produce more anc action than anything else. Vote DA for the Constitution! For Freedom!

  • Peter - 2012-05-09 07:53

    So its just coincidence that you want to talk to minorities only now before elections? please give us a break. There are always ulterior motives, you've had 18 years to talk to minorities and thats all you ever do is talk, the ANC never delivers you havent before and theres no reason to suspect you will now either

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-05-09 07:57

    Codswollop..................never trust a snake I think the anc are thinking the Afrikaans people are doff, dont bet on that anc

      Inky - 2012-05-09 08:23

      Not doff but possibly gullible! History shows that the nats controlled these people’s minds for an entire generation. Perhaps the anc believe they can do the same.

  • Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 08:00

    Why does this sector require ""Special attention"" ????? Always the victim mentality............Genocide etc, Give us a break. There are more important issues that require attention.

      Vicker - 2012-05-09 08:29

      Yes Im sure there are many more pressing issues than ensuring national food security...you wouldnt want to hit a pothole down the street from your home while coming back from Spar after paying R100 for an imported loaf of bread now, would you???

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 08:34

      it is strange isn it, I wouldn't say that its not important to engage like this, but they should be engaging with everybody, blacks, whites, coloreds, if they do this, well thats a different story, & then of course after talking comes the hard bit, the action & the doing, something that is foreign to the ANC, but hey, maybe they are finally waking up from their 18 year power drunk honeymoon party & realize that if they don't start governing & stop dividing the nation, they might just be history by 2017. If ever there was an opportunity for a black lead opposition to strike, it would be now, but it seems there is no Black leader with the guts & capability to give the ANC a go, its a pity that.

      Merven - 2012-05-09 08:39

      They don't require special attention, it is just your idiotic ANC trying to get votes. 'Always the victim mentality' rich coming from somebody that wouldn't be anywhere in life if it wasn't for AA and BEE. And yes, America also have AA after 50 years, says a lot about your mental capability.

      Frank - 2012-05-09 08:56

      Exactly, why do they require special attention? Who do they think they are!

      Piet - 2012-05-09 09:11

      Because we have all the money my dear......

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 09:13

      @Tamaranui you are right, look at people on this forum they don't know what they want, if the ANC engage them, they claim its not genuine. ANC got the majority vote and must start apologising for it and rule! Start by removing the Deputy minister of Agric, send him back to his loser's club FFplus. Its time ANC transform SA and stop licking these unrepented agents

      Piet - 2012-05-09 09:29

      We should Really consider taking all our money and leave you all to die Lerato....Remember we still own 80% of the country......

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 09:36

      @Piet you can leave anytime, that's good news! When are you bouncing?

      Gert - 2012-05-09 09:45

      @ Piet--This lerato is a real racist and he is also for this secrets bill and he doesn't spell any good for SA. He must have quite a few secrets himself if he wants to have that secrets bill. He will really be glad to see all whites leave the country such that he and his anc friends can plunder this country because his own uneducated black people can be more easily fooled than most whites.

      Keith - 2012-05-09 10:07

      Yes, more important things like letting Shabir Shaik go free, renaming roads and so on.

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 10:57

      @Gert, I have got a problem with uneducated whites, they are the ones making all the noise because if we take away their previous advantage of being white they are worth nothing. These are the people who are in management positions just because of their skin colour, and they are unrepentant! I have no problem with this group leaving, OR Tambo is operational you can leave, you are actually a drag!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:14

      RSA is moving ahead with Transformation. Piet hence AA and BEE cos' the wealth in RSA must be evenly distributed. The fact is the wealth was Illegitimately gained. In the top 3 issues that need to be sorted out is the wealth being plundered daily via our Mineral resources and never returning to this economy. We want first world living standards for all RSA citizens. We want all to be proud RSA citizens, Proud in their cultures and Proud to call RSA Home.

      Inky - 2012-05-09 11:33

      The sector you refer to has a soft underbelly namely their language. Many Afrikaans speaking people consider it their duty to protect and defend their language and subsequently could easily be manipulated in defence of their language.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:50

      Like your brain for instance.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:51

      Lerato, here you go again with your foolishness. How can you 'see' people who write here?. Your ego is warped.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:54

      Lerato has a problem with uneducated whites. Geez and there are so few of us and so many of them. Wow, I almost forgot that's Apartheid's fault.

  • vincentdavince.malapane - 2012-05-09 08:05

    What a waste..

      Merven - 2012-05-09 08:34

      Well said, we will never trust the ANC.

      Stille - 2012-05-09 08:37

      I agree, the anc must just give the power back to the people that actually knows how to use it....

      marumobongani - 2012-05-09 08:50

      @stille you talking sh*t now the country progressed this far with ANC you come with that crap

      Merven - 2012-05-09 10:53

      @marumobongani, are you referring to the progress of the country under the ANC or the progress of the financial gains of the ANC leaders?

  • Nigel - 2012-05-09 08:11

    So why only invite afrikaners, doesn't the ANC care about all Whites, Coloreds, Indians & Asians, why just Afrikaners, this alone makes the whole thing suspicious. Out of interest, did they discuss the senseless, brutal & ongoing racist murders of farmers, incited by prominent members of the ANC, like Malema & his YL & even Zuma, I would have loved to be a fly on the wall.

      Vicker - 2012-05-09 08:35

      This is an important point that everyone is overlooking. Why only Afrikaans-speaking whites? Is it another way of "dividing the enemy" under the ruse of reconciliation? Problem is, the ANC have painted themselves to be untrustworthy and downright devious, so regardless whether they may be acting honourably now or not (I believe not), very few thinking people will trust them at face value.

  • Mzamo - 2012-05-09 08:12

    Have you held similar meetings with the masses that voted you to discuss similar issues or you just give them food parcels, social grants and promise them jobs so they can vote for you? "Phosa and Mantashe said more meetings of this nature would be held and there would be feedback on the progress made". Are these meetings with minorities or the public at large? This Govt. is really screwing up all of us!!! We have so many issues that are not addressed here, e.g. ETolls, education, electricity shortage, corrupt Govt officials, etc etc!!!!! Seems as if our politicians are only concerned with support and more power than addressing real issues!!!!

      Merven - 2012-05-09 10:56

      Some people are dumb enough to fall for promises of food parcels, social grants etc. other not.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:01

      Mzamo, the meetings will not be with your average ordinary bloke. There the ANC will hear the unsalted truth and nothing but the truth and they don't want that. So they drink tea and chat with Academics and make it look as if they are for real. What a joke. Why do you think they don't ask whites like me who was in the struggle for my opinion?. They know what they will get as they got in the past.

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-09 08:12

    I think discussions like this are exactly what should be happening in the country. The FF's comments (and those of the usual suspects on here) just show how polarised they are and that they have zero interest in anything resembling an inclusive future.

      Merven - 2012-05-09 10:58

      You know what, if the ANC wasn't the two face racist party they are, people would've trust them.

  • henk.vanderwatt - 2012-05-09 08:12

    This is a just a tactic many managers use, lets listen to them and let them talk about their concerns and seems interested and boost the egos, but do nothing about their concerns. It`s like talking to a psychologist if you walk out you feels good and will say ag the ANC is not that bad. BIG Surprise

  • Carry - 2012-05-09 08:13

    UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS NOTHING FRANK AND OPEN ABOUT THE anc. THE TOLL ROADS, BAD GOVERNANCE AND REALLY BAD WASTAGE OF MONEY, IS A CLEAR SYMBOL OF WHAT THE anc IS ALL ABOUT.

  • Thoka - 2012-05-09 08:13

    I see nothing wrong with parties engaging each other on matters of governance and leadership. We need to attend such meeting and raise our concerns there not on news24 platform only.

      pieter0827006294 - 2012-05-09 08:28

      I agree Thoka. Afrikaners want to be heard, here's your opportunity. Whether the government has a sinister agenda or not. Also, people on this platform are stereotyping the Afrikaners as white. This is not the case. It would be interesting to know which of our coloured and san people's organisations were represented at these talks

  • Henk - 2012-05-09 08:19

    nie die Afrikanerbond, NG kerk of enige van die mense daar teenwoordig as Afrikaner organisasie het enige mandaat van die Afrikaner in hierdie land gehad om namens hom te praat nie! hulle het namens hulself en hul eie agendas gaan praat.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-09 08:34

      Stig jou eie organisasie of kerk, Henk. Dis mos iets wat ons Afrikaners goed doen. G'n wonder ons kan nie vorentoe gaan nie. Wat is jou agenda?

  • Susan - 2012-05-09 08:28

    Frank and open - not 2 word to be used in the same sentence than ANC.

  • Andre - 2012-05-09 08:37

    The motives for the so called talks is so obvious and elementary that one wonders why it took them so long to reach this point only now? This illustrates their (ANC) arrogancy and naivity to think that anybody with some brain cells will fall for this fake attempt. They have already ruined whatever is left through their blatant disregard of values and Leadership. The fish rots from its head and that is fact...! Andre

  • marumobongani - 2012-05-09 08:39

    ANC is the only major power if whites join now they stand a chance to take part in the ruling party or else they'll never live to see a white president is either they transform or stay stubborn but is the future we talking about

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:04

      You must be joking!. Join a thieving, corrupt incompetent club of sods. No thank you.

  • thendo.managa - 2012-05-09 08:44

    Some of y'all comments worries me, I wonder how much thinking you put before you type. you seem to be guided by emotions, it is so sad. i don't think RSA is in need of such reckless comments. if you have nothing constructive to say best you keep it to yourselves.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:06

      Thendo, should we also keep quiet when Kill the boer is being sung?. Surely you don't expect us to applause when the President is looking for his machine gun?.

  • bmakgathulela - 2012-05-09 08:47

    I personally think its good that we striving to meet half way with Afrikaners because as much as they scared of young black males like my self,we terrified of them especially in Pretoria suburbs because they can be so hostile towards us for no reason,so I think the talks will bring a brighter future and understanding of both Black and White. Proud of this,and I understand it will take mare than just talks but the first step is taken!

      Merven - 2012-05-09 11:07

      Finally a good comment. Whites are scared of blacks for obvious reasons, and blacks are scared of whites for obvious reasons. You are correct that we must talk, but then it must be without hidden agendas and not through racist parties like the ANC and FF+. What SA need is a new political party of young people with the well being of the country in mind and not their own pockets.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:19

      Half way.....NO NO NO ,,,,,,, They want us on our Knees.............That is never gonna see the light of day. Remember the Voortrekker monument that has earned Heritage status ( I personally think this should have happened a further 100 years down the line), even this goodwill gesture on the part of the ANC was questioned and ridiculed. An Inclusive future seems a fairy tale.

  • Johan - 2012-05-09 08:56

    so the ANC thinks that these carefully selected groups represent the view of White Afrikaners? BTW for a party that preaches non -racialism the ANC seems to have forgotten that many people of colour also speak Afrikaans

  • Lerato - 2012-05-09 08:57

    \We said, well, there must also be security for farm workers, you must treat them in a humane manner. We [are] giving each other both sides [of the story]... so not one perspective dominates,\ said Phosa. Well said Phosa am sure this will greatly reduce farm murders; in as much as people try to ignore it; there is a positive correlation between mistreatment of farm workers and farm labourors

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:20

      Agreed,

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:22

      While farmers are listening ; Reconstruct the layout of farm buildings to ensure a village setup subsequently, if Crims think about completing criminal acts , they must know they will have to take on the entire farm not just the farmer.

  • Bala - 2012-05-09 09:00

    Thos is another political games by ruling party. service delivery is a national issue. How can we be safe if we still have criminals running the country?

  • Marika Jansen Van Rensburg - 2012-05-09 09:01

    Yip.... And we do not remember what happened to Piet Retief when he trusted the people......

  • Adil Smit - 2012-05-09 09:08

    Was there representation from the Afrikaans-speaking coloured community as well?

      Lerato - 2012-05-09 09:42

      If they are farmers, am sure they were there

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:08

      Yes, Adil, all were represented.

  • Piet - 2012-05-09 09:12

    This just after they could milk us for Etolls. I think they are starting to worry more about our money than anything else......

  • bmantashe - 2012-05-09 09:25

    No but what is this misconcept that discussing such issues has to do with elections?? The upcoming Manguang conference is strictly for ANC members therefore speaking to Afrikaans groups will not have an influence on the outcome there. Maybe ANC has taken long to discuss such issues but it must start somewhere and no better time than now

  • medwardfrancis - 2012-05-09 09:33

    I actually quite like the idea that the government is meeting with Afrikaans speaking people (and I am assuming that non-white people who also speak Afrikaans fall into this category) but as a tax payer our now government has failed us in managing our money responsibly. It is not a question of black and white - it is a question of being negligent. I for one am not a politician but do feel emotional and hard done by when things such as health, education, e-tolling, security, have not made improvements over the years. But like the Gauteng people (black and white) standing together recently over the e-tolling saga – I am optimistic that these such people will do the very same on other issues. Or else we will all be back on this forum in 5 years time repeating ourselves.

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 10:26

      If they are doing this for the right reasons, it is a welcome step, but why only Afrikaaners, is it a ploy to try & win over colored votes, why not all minorities, sorry as much as I would like to give the ANC credit for this move, it is suspicious & they need to do much more to reconcile the damage that they have done with racist & intolerant public utterances to move forward, if they continue this dialogue AFTER elections & with all people of SA, not just a part of a minority, then maybe they deserve some credit for trying to reverse the last 4 years of racial destruction that they & the YL have indulged in.

  • Alex - 2012-05-09 09:35

    Hello! About time!!

  • Andrew - 2012-05-09 09:36

    I think it is good that the ANC is at least listening to minorities, that is always the first step. But what about other minorities such as Indians and white English speakers? Afrikaners should not be the only minority priority...

  • thapsta - 2012-05-09 09:43

    i'm not a fan of the anc and definately not on their platform but the truth is they dont need the afrikaaners and white ppl's votes to win the next election. white ppl are a minority in SA and alone they cant win and lead this country, for them to win they need to engage and work with black ppl like me who are free agents, but judging from some racial comments from some white ppl on this blog I'm even afraid to imagine wht they'll do once they are in power. Helen Zilla may be having a right standing but its some racial mindsets like the ones here that will drag her down.

      Nigel - 2012-05-09 10:20

      @ thapsta, many comments here are rants & raves driven by frustration with the ANC & its corrupt, racist & incompetent behavior, News24 should moderate this blog, most whites just want a non-racial, effective government, we don't care what color their skins are, just as long as they do their jobs & stop insulting & threatening the minorities. Speaking of minorities, there are over 10 million of us, so you are right when you say white people alone can't vote our the ANC, but if all the minorities together with a sizeable potion of blacks (fed up with the Govt) vote to get rid of the ANC, we could have an interesting result. This we will soon see, but the ANC is very cunning & will not play fair, expect them to cheat & lie, but they will eventually fail & something is going to happen.

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:11

      Thapsta, you noticed the racial slurs by whites, but ignore those by your brothers and sisters?. Don't let that influence your voting, racists are always a minority.

  • Joe - 2012-05-09 10:10

    Frank you are sitting with your head up your ass.If whites didnt want blacks to rule we would have left in 1994.You never won it over,our goverment handed it over.Haters always end up at the bottom of the barrel..25 percent unemployment...good job .....NOT

  • mark.halbert - 2012-05-09 10:53

    I think FW de Klerk made a huge mistake by abandoning the Government of National Unity .Its time that the Afrikaners and other marginalised groups,instead of being so negative, started contributing in a positive way to building South Africa .

  • Herman - 2012-05-09 11:01

    Makes me think of Dingaan.

  • Avenging - 2012-05-09 11:07

    Obviously the underground movements in the white Afrikaans speaking nation are starting to make the ANC feel a bit nervous that an uprising is coming. So now the ANC must take a page out of their own history and try the Dingaan/Piet Retief maneuver, pre-emptively deceive into 'talks' before sticking a spear in your back. The storm is closer than most know or would like to admit!

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 11:31

      yeah yeah, Just try this revolutionary BS in RSA. It wil be another Bop scenario.

      Avenging - 2012-05-09 11:32

      It's not about revolution, it's about civil war. Read up on some history, world history that is, and you will see that when minority groups are oppressed and have nowhere to go, the entire country's population suffers, woman and children the most, no matter what their race or skin colour. Education opens the mind and makes for clothing, ignorant schoolyard bravado and taunting only shames your ancestors.

      Tamaranui - 2012-05-09 12:11

      Listen buddy, That ain't gonna happen cos' the extremist number a couple of thousand on both sides. Both sides of Extremist will be crushed and RSA will move on happily.

      Avenging - 2012-05-09 12:43

      The question is, who will do the crushing, the bankrupt SANDF?

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:11

      Tamaranui is our latest troll.

      Red - 2012-05-09 13:24

      lol! Tamaranui, you sound like you are full of fear of what is the inevitable! Keep telling yourself everything is going to be fine and just think positive. The fact is, is that the brain dead such as yourself will be the first to receive, don't you know it only takes a determined, very few to start massive war! A very few Islamic fanatics with little power managed to pull many great nations into a long resource draining war! I have met many of your blind kind of all races, you are all the same, and you all will be the ones to suffer the most, and when you do, make sure that you blame yourselves! But if you prefer continue to keep your head's buried in the sand so that you and your kind absorbs the most of the slaughter which is inevitable! I say good riddance to the liberal, both black and white!

  • Andricca - 2012-05-09 12:02

    I have never witness an annoying afrikaner conservative right wing like this Mulder thing. Even when the ANC government has reach out to his party by offering him a deputy ministerial position, he still can't cure his negative mouth diarrhea. Thats why we say ANC is selling out by pleasing these unreconciled Afrikaners. They need Mugabe-like attitude because they are hard to please indeed. We just can't nurse their fear forever

      Muisie - 2012-05-09 13:00

      The ANC needs to feed the masses....without the Afrikaner Boere they will have to rely on black farmers....

      Jacqui - 2012-05-09 13:15

      Muisie. Yes we saw what that would do in Mpumalanga yesterday where the so called rightful owners trampled the grapefruit to pieces and desired to sleep in the bed of the farmer. Freely admitting they didn't know anything about farming, they were just interested in what was on the farm they could take. I hope Zambia produce a lot of food, we too will be needing it.

  • Jacqui - 2012-05-09 12:36

    While Mantashe spoke in English!!!!. Eish.

  • addmorem - 2012-05-10 08:36

    Our biggest challenge is racial division. If we can overcome that then only can there be forward movement. As long as races keep having fear of each other and think that by fighting they each other they are protecting themselves, there will always be worthless discussions. the point is the economic structure was built for an Apartheid system that failed to work for the better of all. Distruction of such and a rebuild of a better economy needs to take place. This means some will have to lose for the betterment of others but at the end achieving equality and stability of a bigger and better nation.

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