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Tanzania asks SA navy for help

2011-03-10 21:36

Cape Town - Tanzania has asked South Africa to send warships into the seas off its coast, Defence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu said on Thursday.

Responding to a question in the National Council of Provinces, she said the request was received by the department of international affairs and co-operation.

"I'm informed... that the government has received a request from Tanzania. It received this through the department of international relations and co-operation.

"It has been forwarded to the department of defence, and subsequently deferred to the acting chief of the defence force so that he can advise the minister, and the minister can advise Cabinet," she said.

International shipping off the East African coast has come under increasing attack from pirates over the past decade.

A European Union naval task force currently operates off the Somali coast in an effort to protect vessels passing through that part of the Indian Ocean.

Sisulu gave no further details on the request, or what South Africa's response might be, saying only that the matter was "currently under consideration".

Comments
  • ProudofPink - 2011-03-10 22:06

    Does SA still have a navy, or at least someone who can get the ship there? LOL!

      lmduplessis - 2011-03-10 22:47

      SA doe still have a navy. It's an old guy in a rowboat with 1/2 an oar and a 9 mm he bought from the police

      BigMoose - 2011-03-11 08:34

      Yaaas Minister, we don't have any navy ships available right now. Is it alright if we send a gravy boat?

      TBOOZE - 2011-03-11 15:15

      they must go, @least nw they cn get paid 4 doing smthing..nd the fun part they get 2 c hw 2 die in the line of duty

      squeegeepilot - 2011-03-15 11:39

      Put it on tender. Let Julius win the tender and send him off to play with the pirates. Please!! Perhaps they will capture him.

  • jan du preeaz - 2011-03-10 22:11

    Bwaaa hhaaaaa haaaaa, our "navy" is confined at the moment it seems!!! We have acquired modern vessels but due to "electric challenges" the fleet is still confined, bwaa ha naaaaa!!!!!! a.ka. armsgate

      Mundu - 2011-03-10 23:18

      Ish...where is the switch of da engine?

  • daspoort - 2011-03-10 22:35

    We will probably dispatch a Houtbaai snoek skuit called "Jou Ma se p...". Well, at least it will have a better chance of reaching Tanzania than our "navy ships".

      isabeljones101 - 2011-03-11 08:00

      Brilliant! ROTFLMAO!! :-)

  • Macho Mike - 2011-03-10 22:55

    Eish, i can't believe. Hau i'm afraid much, with our navy going to Tanzania, who will look after the Oceans aound SA? Eish, and we could be left much vunerible by this request. Better we say no and ask the Royal Navy of Swaziland to help Tanzania pleeze.

  • POLLENYS - 2011-03-10 22:57

    Bwahahaha. This is indeed funny! Apart from the vessels the ill disciplined crew will (a)strikebecause they can't swim (b) won't go so far from home (c) start fighting and killing one another, starting with the commander.

      Felix - 2011-03-11 08:15

      Guy signs up for SA Navy, officer asks "can you swim?" guy replies "why, don't you have any boats?"

  • ErG - 2011-03-10 23:33

    Here comes a potential Somalian pirate take-over of a SA Navy vessel! I suggest they stay in port and play cowboys and crooks on dry land.

      Peter - 2011-03-11 07:13

      LOL

  • Woseck - 2011-03-11 04:16

    Send the Navy over with a 24 volt battery and half a fleet, we might start a free Mc Donalds!!Viva JUJU! It will be sponsored by us us tax payers!!!

  • Adv DUIWEL - 2011-03-11 06:03

    Obviously the Tanzania Intelligence Agency is either as no existent as our navy or they have a great sense of humour ......he he he Disgrace that our navy is in such a state. Row row row our 1 boat gently down the anc stream......

  • Tantrum - 2011-03-11 06:31

    OH Crap ... Tanzania asked the wrong country - after our sailors land there all their pap and chicken will gone in a flash and when our sailors leave Tanzania will have to face a huge AIDS epidemic.

  • Straight Forward - 2011-03-11 06:33

    It will make my day when the pirates seize the navy vessel. Hau call the white baas for help

  • Francois - 2011-03-11 06:52

    Our battleships are used for political dividends and to solve the housing crisis in Hout Bay. Nonnie Lindiwe is going to live on the ship along with Schabir and Jimmy Manyi. Thus why, Nonnie, don't you tell the Tanzanians to ask the Zimbabwean Minister of the Navy for help. The Zimbabweans must have a Minister of the Navy since we have a Minister of Police and a Minister of Justice and constitutional Development.

  • jaycee - 2011-03-11 06:57

    This is precious! Although it is a long way to December, I predict that this will stand out as the joke of the year.

  • Ross - 2011-03-11 07:00

    Sorry but no! Whe have da salt in da engine , ship not working.

  • Peter - 2011-03-11 07:15

    Send Winnie Mandela she surely floats and is our biggest battleship.

  • Agent - 2011-03-11 07:37

    Please get the Candid Camera ready.

  • GADDAG - 2011-03-11 07:49

    How positive you bunch of plonkers are about your country. If that is the way you feel then your are not welcome in SA. Pack your bags and get the F*** out. SA does not need you. Do some investigation before making stupid comments. We might have issues in this country (not as big as your issues you anal retentive A**h*les) but our naval defence is still very good and have the capabilities to do their jobs.

      MaLemmer - 2011-03-11 08:07

      @ Gaddag. You, of course, are an "expert" in matters nautical?

      steven - 2011-03-11 08:23

      hahahahahaha, didnt get it all this morning hey, lol. go have some rice crispies.

      Fred - 2011-03-11 09:43

      Same comment the Nats use to give when anybody disagreed with them, "if your not happy leave" are you an ex nat or one of the nat trained ANC wankers?

      PikeLee - 2011-03-11 10:21

      Do some of your own research dude. Our navy does not have the capability to do anything, but sit and rot in the harbor. Did you know that after a naval exercise with the English navy, they described us as the "2nd worst navy that they have ever had the displeasure to work with." When they(The SA Navy) were asked to help out with the pirate issue off the coast of Somalia, they could not.(seeing that you know so much about all things nautical, why don't you look it up and find out why the refused/claimed that the couldn't)

      PikeLee - 2011-03-11 10:29

      Do some of your own research dude. Our navy does not have the capability to do anything, but sit and rot in the harbor. Did you know that after a naval exercise with the English navy, they described us as the "2nd worst navy that they have ever had the displeasure to work with." When they(The SA Navy) were asked to help out with the pirate issue off the coast of Somalia, they could not.(seeing that you know so much about all things nautical, why don't you look it up and find out why the refused/claimed that the couldn't)

      Lion - 2012-03-16 01:21

      Gaddag... Can you use google? "Even were it not laid up for repairs, the SA Navy submarine SAS Manthatisi could not put to sea because it did not have a trained crew, MPs heard on Tuesday. Briefing members of Parliament's defence portfolio committee, the SA Navy's chief director maritime strategy, Rear-Admiral Bernhard Teuteberg, said the fact that the submarine was currently dry-docked at the Simon's Town naval dockyard was "not only the batteries". http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article766035.ece/Navy-short-of-submariners-MPs-told Wake up!!!

  • CNA-LOL-BS - 2011-03-11 07:55

    This is a joke right? The Defence Force / Government said they could not afford it to evacuate SA citizens from Lybia?

      centre claus - 2011-03-11 08:30

      Actually they were evacuated. I know it is very fashionable 4 ur type to critisize the governmnt ryt nw, but get ur facts strait

  • saliem - 2011-03-11 08:04

    How ill informed (as usual) most of the trolls are who spew up their garbage for consumption here. Our Navy is doing surprisingly well tyvm, despite the HUGE challenges of under-funding. Evidence of this is their continued excellent performance during exercises with navies from first world countries. They are probably the best performing arm of our defence force, with little/none of the issues that inhibit the level of force preparedness of the army. We should be PROUD that at least something is working well. The real question that begs asking is if they will receive funding for such an operation. After all, their primary mandate is the protection of our own waters.

      Snys - 2011-03-11 08:22

      Billions to buy them..."under funding" to try and run them! Doesn't make sense!

      saliem - 2011-03-11 08:28

      Correct @ Snys. At least you added some value to the debate.

      PikeLee - 2011-03-11 11:20

      @Saliem. Yes, some of the comments are rather cynical, and facetious. But you must understand that we once had a navy to be proud of. Now we have a Navy that spends Billions on submarines that we have no Idea how to operate. They sit and rot away, a real waste of our tax payers money don't you think. Then we have the issues of our sailors not being able to swim(A basic requirement of all navy's worldwide, except for ours it seems) Then the fact that the English navy was recorded as saying that we are the 2nd worst navy that they have ever worked with. Do you think it is nice being the laughing stock of the world? We would love to take pride in not just the navy, but the country as a whole. But we have an army who strikes, a govt that steal and is corrupt and to the core. How can we be anything but cynical towards anything that our govt touches. As we have seen, nothing they touch, nothing they do is for the enrichment of the nation, just the enrichment of the few families and friends that make up this govt. Including the buying of submarines that we know, made a few people very very rich!(spell it out for you, our friends in govt) How can we be proud of a navy that is made up of incompetent, unqualified BEE placed frauds? So please, excuse our anger, and frustration at the current situation our navy, air force and army finds itself in.

      Darter - 2011-03-11 12:02

      @ PIKELEE - You are talking straight out of your ass. "spends Billions on submarines that we have no Idea how to operate"....thats a blatant lie. Without googling anything, can you list the last 5 operations/exercises that our Navy has been in? If you could, then you'd know that we're capable of operating them. Stop copy-pasting what everyone else says and learn to think for yourself. "How can we be proud of a navy that is made up of incompetent, unqualified BEE placed frauds"....Again, off the top of your head, can you say how many of our commanders are white? Have you had a look at the last round of promotions that were carried out in the Navy (about two months ago). How many of them are BEE? How many are experienced white commanders? I can bet you have no clue because you sound exactly like someone who adds a bit of spice to what they hear and passes it on. Again, learn to think for yourself and stop embarassing yourself on a public forum

      MrIceland - 2011-03-11 15:28

      I'm glad the navy decided against ordering a fifth frigate, which was part of the original contract (an option). Rumor is they are looking into building a number offshore patrol vessels locally (possibly Durban's SA Shipyards) which will better serve to protect our coastline and resources and for less money. They will probably be about the size of the Sarah Baartman, the largest fisheries protection vessel.

  • MaLemmer - 2011-03-11 08:05

    EMBARRASSING! Now the Guv'ment has to admit to a deficiency in Naval matters (as well). Eish...

      centre claus - 2011-03-11 08:41

      Which deficiencies?? pls specify?

      GADDAG - 2011-03-11 09:26

      MaLemmer. For your information I am Ex Navy and still have ties with the navy and do know what I am talking about. Perhaps you need to get your facts right.

  • steven - 2011-03-11 08:12

    SA Navy? they all in hospital dying of AIDS... besides, i thought they 'lost' our ships.... mwuahahahaha

  • centre claus - 2011-03-11 08:35

    yes S.A still has a navy and it is one of the best around. And if S.A does get into troubles while assisting there i dont think anybody will be running to col the so cold "white baas". "white baas" is the worst thing that eva happend to Africa.

  • AMLCFT - 2011-03-11 08:41

    Oooh, someone better explain to the President of Tanzania that the republic of taxania (RSA) has only increased its defence budget by R1.3 billion in order to pay higher wages to appease our highly trained and skilled defence force members. All the pretty fighter jets, submarines and frigates will need to wait until our illustrious government figures out how to extract additional tax from the real economic force of Africa.

  • Iamwhy - 2011-03-11 08:50

    Thanks Gaddag & Saliem. Nice having educated guys like you comment as opposed to relating experiences based on 1 article written a while ago and exaggerating everything to the max like a Hollywood media orchestra.

  • Darter - 2011-03-11 09:10

    Absolutely amazing how negative and uninformed most South Africans are about their own Navy. It really does boggle the mind. Our Navy does quite well with the funding that they receive. If you people did anything else other than read news articles by journalists who get their facts wrong most of the time, you would know a bit more. Try visiting different sites, get other sources of information before you "LMAO" at our navy. Yes things are not great, but they are much better than most people here make them seem. I wonder if anyone here even knows what exercises our Navy partakes in. Last month SAS Charlotte Maxeke was in a joint exercise with the US Navy, in December last year a South African Sub sank a large part of the South American fleet during an exercise in Argentina, and anyone who is genuinely interested will still remember one of our subs sinking an entire NATO fleet during an exercise in 2007. You people always pick on the negative, and dont even bother to look up the positives. Its as if your brains are just wired to be negative. You ask "does our navy even know how to use the ships?", but you forget that there is already a frigate hanging around our east coast waters. Its actually quite sad really. What a sad bunch.....

      saliem - 2011-03-11 09:20

      Quite right Darter, but funding constraints pose a huge constraint on their ability to expand their theatre of operations. Nonetheless, they are certainly unchallenged at sea in Africa. Perhaps a solution to their funding crisis, is to divert army funds to our navy by reducing the regular force size of the army? After all, it's far easier to re-establish landward capability than to re-establish a navy. Oh yes and BTW... many of the comments here certainly do reflect an absence of rational thinking or intelligence.

      fishycraig - 2011-03-11 10:47

      Agree with you Darter. And perhaps if these people who are going on went out and joined some form of volunteer program, e.g. community policing forums, neighbourhood watches, NSRI, ect. they will stop with their diatribe. For sure there are plenty of problems in South Africa but being negative sure ain't gonna solve things. It is sad but lets hope these people are in the minority. Oh, and I was rescued by this "useless" navy when I was swept out to sea 8 years ago on my surfboard.

  • MrIceland - 2011-03-11 09:51

    Well said Darter and Saliem. SAS Mendi is patrolling the Mozambique channel and SAS Drakensberg was deployed to the Ivory Coast a few weeks ago. Even when we had the old Daphne class subs we gave other top navys a run for their money.

  • Ixian - 2011-03-11 16:50

    Looks like all the narrow minded racists had the afternoon off and spent it here posting very "informative" comments. Get a life you racist losers and stop bitching about stuff you know nothing about. Reading your kuk comments makes me feel embarrassed to be white man.

  • Worldwise - 2011-03-11 17:35

    This is going to put Princess Sisulu on the spot. Last year, despite protests by the top brass of the navy, she took most of their budget and transferred it to the army. They can hardly leave harbour due to not being able to afford fuel. With the current oil price this will become even more interesting. To those that are defending the navy's capabilities, remember that every time they deploy now it takes a major effort when it should be routine, as it was when the navy still was VERY capable and was owned by the SADF. It had worldwide respect then as a hard hitting small navy not to be messed with. Today only one or two ships deploy. Why else on Atlasur was only a supply vessel and a submarine deployed? In such a major exercise surely at least two of the four frigates should have participated? The other major countries involved deployed more vessels than the RSA, notably Brazil and Argentina.

  • squeegeepilot - 2011-03-15 11:41

    The government has decided to send Kaizer Chiefs to deal with the Pirates. They have far more experience than the Navy team.

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