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The 'revolution' is on trial - Malema

2011-04-12 22:37

Johannesburg - ANC Youth League president Julius Malema said on Tuesday it was not him on trial for hate speech, but the "revolution".

"It is not me who is on trial. The revolution is on trial," Malema said through a megaphone to hundreds of supporters pressed against the locked gates of the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg.

Speaking from the safety of the court steps and surrounded by bodyguards with assault rifles, he said: "They have taken the method we used to defeat them, and again we will defeat them."

His comment was preceded by the large group singing the song "awudubhule ibhunu", which translates as "shoot the boer".

Civil rights group AfriForum is contesting the singing of the lyrics, in an Equality Court case where they hope the words will be declared hate speech.

Malema has refused to apologise or withdraw the comments, despite a meeting with AfriForum. Its deputy president Ernst Roets spent Tuesday explaining to the court that they believe the lyrics cause hostility in South Africa.

Malema said he would continue to defend its history and legacy.

ANC Women's League veteran and MP Winnie Madikizela Mandela said Malema was correct.

"It isn't Julius who is on trial, as he says. It is the ANC which is on trial," she said outside the court.

She thanked the supporters for coming. Their bodyguards then pushed an opening through the crowd which mobbed their vehicles. Police and the bodyguards shoved photographers and the public away amid chants of "Juju Juju", Malema's nickname.

With bodyguards standing on the running boards, the cars inched through the crowd on Pritchard Street as people with cellphones waved them over everyone's heads to try and snap a picture.

Beautiful songs

Music expert Anne-Marie Gray earlier testified that according to her research, the earliest struggle songs sounded like Christian hymns and were sung by a group called Ohlange, organised by John Dube for the SA Native National Congress between 1912 to 1915.

They got permission to travel as a choir and used the songs to inform people of issues they had with land laws. White authorities were oblivious to their meaning, and so permission was granted for the tours.

They felt they weren't achieving much with the songs, so Ruben Koleza introduced a genre called "iragtime" based on the songs of slave minstrels.

In the 1950s, still frustrated with little progress, they adopted the more militant call-and-repeat style of isiZulu songs. Anyone's names or any words could be used in this style.

"Some of them are supposed to be militant, but they are beautiful songs," she said.

Gray said after 1980 the toyi-toyi and chanting became more prevalent and she found evidence it scared white people. Words like Senzeni na (what have we done) were extracted from older songs and used in isolation "with pride" and to remind people of the original song.

She said such styles and toyi-toyis could be seen at weddings, and some white people would run away.

"To most white people the chant and the toyi-toyi is quite frightening... That is where discourse is important."

Earlier Roets was asked if he thought dialogue would resolve the problem, but he said it had already not worked. His underlying concern was the murders of farmers - a literal meaning of boer.

Gray's testimony continues on Wednesday.

Comments
  • Snoek - 2011-04-12 22:52

    Hate speech within a hate speech court case. The revolution is not helping himself here...

      Thangy - 2011-04-13 09:18

      This is getting boring

      Stox - 2011-04-13 09:20

      Erm... sorry Julius, it's not some fictitious military revolution or whatever you want to call it on trial, it's you. For being a dumbass. All the ANC seem to want to do is fight - Militant this, revolution that... shoot... kill... struggle... blah blah blah. It's really tiring now. Get over it. It seems that when there's no fight to fight you guys try create one out of thin air. They all harbor these fantasies of being a "military war leader". Oooo! So impressive! I know it sounds impressive but look what happened in Uganda and now in Libya. I'm English but I am 2344 % behind AfriForum and the Boers! They at least produce for South Africa. The ANC either try to steal or destroy everything that isn't theirs.

      kungfupanda - 2011-04-13 09:35

      how long are blacks going to feel sorry for themselves that they are black?

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-13 10:08

      BUT it works. He is now doing what zuma did - in that he is deflecting attention from the real case, and presenting a POPULIST slant that will even coerce the judge and courts away from the issues and legalities until some cadre comes up and says as did Mpshe (unethically and illegally) "I take it upon myself on behalf of the nation to free my struggle companion and allow him the seat of riches etc etc etc......" and even the CONCOURT is always silent these days and acts in retarded fashion instead of in advance. WAIT & SEE how they try and obfuscate this CRUCIAL MATTER in line with their racist viewpoint against whites especially in ranking before other minorities.

      paulf - 2011-04-13 10:27

      There was never a Revolution in SA. I do not think Malema knows what a revolution is. The definition of a Revolution is the overthrow of a government by those who are governed. I wonder if he is planning to overthrow the ANC government????

      Andrew - 2011-04-13 10:29

      It is interesting to see that the only other ANC member in sight is necklacing Winnie. A great reminder of the revolution...

      Andrew - 2011-04-13 10:29

      It is interesting to see that the only other ANC member in sight is necklacing Winnie. A great reminder of the revolution...

      Jo - 2011-04-13 13:43

      The revolution IS on trial - and it's being found guilty of not delivering practical useful cent-for-cent outcomes in the form of housing, infrastructure, healthcare, protection fro women and children, and education. Instead it's delivering trial after trial, rage, division and tons of words that no-one can eat or wear.

      Twatter - 2011-04-13 13:59

      This court case is only idolising juju with his supporters and causing more racial hatred between whites and blacks. The song in question is seriously wrong in this day in this country, but this case is making sure that everybody knows about it and it will soon become an anthem. I think afriforum or whoever should really have come up with bigger ammo to try take this moron down, because this certainly isn't going to! Even if he loses, what's the worst that will happen - he will still win!

      Pen Of Zorro - 2011-04-13 16:43

      Q: Do black people really want to wake up tommorrow morning and have the country all to themselves i.e. see black faces everywhere you go? A : It depends - if you are in one of the poltical families -then the answer is YES- becuase that way you will own EVERYTHING ! If you are not connected politically (i.e. the majority) then get ready to own nothing-get no proper services-live in a pseudo economy- basically live like a second and third class citizen in your own country.

      White_Rhino - 2011-04-14 11:19

      In many of the comments on this page. I'm reading that people like malema exists because of apartheid. Apartheid created him. I want to say that's utter BULL. Africa is littered with people exactly like malema without any "apartheid" ever being present. Apartheid was created to protect SA against people just like malema. If we looked North and saw a well run, well managed, prosperous, responsible, hard working Africa. Apartheid would never have existed !! So don't give me that bull . . . "he is a product of apartheid" Apartheid is a direct cause of people like malema. And its true !!

      jjaver39 - 2011-04-14 17:11

      Kungfu, Until they realize that they should rather learn from the whites and not try eliminating them!

      jjaver39 - 2011-04-14 17:12

      Kungfu, Until they realize that they should rather learn from the whites and not try eliminating them!

      Vive la Revolution - 2011-04-15 08:38

      @PaulF. Actually South Africa did undergo a revolution in terms of the political definition of the concept in which we experienced a change of government which coincided with a replacement/modification of our constitution. However, that said, I fully agree with the core notion of the argument which underlines the highly incorrect belief that the ANC party basically forced the NP to "democratic" transition in this country. Its a load of bullsh*t. According to William I Zartman, one of the leading scholars on conflict resolution, the only reason why SA had a underwent a form of political revolution in the early 1990's was based on the fact that the country had reached a political situation which was mutually hurting to both parties involved. 1) The ANC and its MK wing had NO CHANCE of defeating the far superior SADF and knew that they did not have the resources to sustain what can inevatbly defined as, at best, a low-level insurgency. On the other hand, the NP realised that they governing the country was becoming financially impossible given the large amount of the country's budget being spent on arms/military and the fact that income generation at the national level was being curtailed by economic sanctions being imposed against us. Hence, democratic transition was the only option. So please all you ANC cadres; STOP TRYING TO CLAIM GLORY FOR A SO CALLED REVOLUTION IN WHICH YOUR ROLE CAN BEST BE DEFINED AS MINIMAL. YOU ONLY RULE THIS COUNTRY BY DEFAULT.

  • Safety4All - 2011-04-12 22:57

    Malema dont want peace, there are to many criminals and he is afraid of them, he rather support them, if he dont, he needs to awnser to them and he is terified because those people rule him. Shame

      Pen Of Zorro - 2011-04-13 16:36

      Q: What do you get when there are no minority groups present in SA? A: Another black country in Africa being exploited by the Chinese

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-04-13 20:46

      the real revolution will not be televised.

      Sword&Cross - 2011-04-14 07:32

      QUOTE OF THE CENTURY, MAYBE EVEN THE MILLENNIUM Someone has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do. "The danger to South Africa is not julius malema but a countries youth capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency of the YL. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a malema presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing and/or coerced to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than malema, who is a mere symptom of what ails South African youth. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The country can survive a julius malema, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their YL president.

  • Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-12 22:58

    You can't have a struggle party in power without a revolution. Its like having soldiers without a war. The ANC know that they need to keep apartheid fresh in the people's minds or they will lose relevance. When people start measuring you on how you perform instead of what you did 20 years ago, that is when you know you are in trouble.

      Frungy - 2011-04-13 01:54

      An excellent point Steve. They've demanded that their leaders have "struggle credentials", but not paused to consider what made a good leader during the struggle was the willingness to order people to kill, die and spread chaos. What makes a good leader during peace is the ability to make people calm, healthy and ordered. Mandela managed to overcome his struggle-era mindset, but some individuals are exceptional. As a whole though the ANC has shown its inability to change... and why should they when changing too much would deprive them of their own reason for being in power, their struggle credentials.

      ianmichaelcalder - 2011-04-13 08:54

      So tell me Notbuyinface - 16 lawyers, body guards, assault rifles, bulletproof SUV's. Who paid for that? Your so called oppressed "still living under apartheid", still living in squatter camps and townships, because the money for their RDP houses was spent on over the top events, flashy cars and executive business jets. You can keep blaming it on whatever you want bud, but just know one thing, no one here is fooled. PS. Guess you have nothing to do either, since here you are, commenting on news24. Well done pal.

      Majik - 2011-04-13 08:58

      @notbuyinface - Somebody didn't get it all this morning? Is that lack of roughage making you upset?

      Wired - 2011-04-13 09:12

      actually Notbuyinface. youre the idiot.. Dont you ever hear of you moron of a leader saying that he will fight for this song because its the History of the people and the history must be remembered by all. They are keeping it in the minds of the people. This is why people like you cant move forward and still think you live in apartheid. Do something with your lives. Stop waiting for a miracle to happen and do something proactive for a change instead of toyi toyi and fight for petty things like struggle songs. Youre only holding yourself back!

      Notbuyinface - 2011-04-13 10:13

      well, while you guys have plenty of time to comment on news24(calling it working hard) your black puupets are sweating in the sun, and going to get a minimum wage. Thats the effect of apartheid which they stand no chance to overcome, you dont train them, they will never own shares in you company even after 30 years. Thats what i mean by leaving in apartheid. But a fellow whitey comes and all of a sudden he is the new baas. there!

      johncarlos.biza - 2011-04-13 11:33

      @Notbuyinface your true enemy seems to be in your mind

      Twatter - 2011-04-13 14:08

      notbuyinface, who is the "your" you're referring to? I'm assuming you mean whites, which is stupid because you're saying that whites own blacks and that it's white's responsibility to train blacks and GIVE them shares in companies that were built from hard work and personal expense! Hate to break it to you but blacks have been getting spoon fed for 17 years now and all that's happened is a few got greedy and raped the rest. This mentality of everything must be given for free is going to ensure the vast majority of the population remain in poverty! Get off your lazy butt and go earn your position in life, like the rest of the world does! People like malema cry foul that the whites own so much more than the blacks, yet you expect whites to be responsible for teaching you how to wipe your bum! I'm confused!

  • Tired - 2011-04-12 23:01

    If they are in a revolution ..maybe so are us! We need to start to stand together for our revolution. Our struggle is to stay alive, survive and try to overcome all the hatred and racism against us. Lets start singing songs to help us through our revolution.

      Safety4All - 2011-04-12 23:04

      Of all the replies ofer the last two days about mr. Dalema, you just stated the most perfect one. Thanks, you are awesome!!

      O.W.M - 2011-04-13 09:15

      Tired.......I agree. Lets start pulling together and sing our songs of freedom, the right to life, the right to live without discrimination and fear of other.

      Fractious - 2011-04-13 09:30

      Absolutely agree. The ANC regime is relying on us being complacent and apathetic, while they slowly strip us of our rights, freedom and identity. If we don't make a stand, we will be trampled on and become discards of history. I will no longer be treated as a second-class citizen.

      Die Seerower Kaptein - 2011-04-13 09:34

      "The Song of the Flag" Cradled in beauty forever shall fly In the gold of her sunshine the blue of her sky, South Africa's pledge of her freedom and pride In their home by sacrifice glorified. By righteousness armed, we'll defend in our might The sign and the seal of our freedom and right, The emblem and loyalty, service and love; To our own selves true and to God above, Our faith shall keep what our hearts enthrone - The flag of the land that is all our own. "Die Vlaglied" Nooit hoef jou kinders wat trou is te vra: "Wat beteken jou vlag dan, Suid-Afrika?" On sweet hy's die seel van ons vryheid en reg Vir naaste en vreemde, vir oorman en kneg; Die pand van ons erf'nis, geslag op geslag, Om te hou vir ons kinders se kinders wat wag; Ons nasie se grondbrief van eiendomsland, Uitgegee op gesag van die Hoogste se hand. Oor ons hoof sal ons hys, in ons hart sal ons dra, Die vlag van ons eie Suid-Afrika.

  • Sage - 2011-04-12 23:03

    Without the revolution the ANC is redundant. The reality is, that the revolution is over. But, the ANC needs to convince the masses that the revolution is alive and well. Hence this propoganda being foisted on the gullible, naiive and vulnerable who lap it up only to be misled by a devious bunch of misfits who need the masses to continue their rampage of looting, undue enrichment, mismanagement and ineptitude. Malema, your rhetoric becomes less convincing by the day, we're not falling for it!

      Great White - 2011-04-13 07:32

      Malema is a deranged idiot who is inciting the impressionable masses to participate in another struggle. The ANC has control of the country, but has failed its voters in every respect. Malema is taking the focus off this fact and is blaming the whites for SA's slide into the 3rd world. We've seen how easily the Middle East ignited; is this what Malema wants for this country? The revolution, when it comes, will be unwinnable and unneccesary. Many innocent lives will be lost and the economy will be trashed. We need to get rid of this man, before his megalomania brings this beautiful country to its knees.

      MarkZwarts - 2011-04-13 07:59

      True Sage, the problem is though that the sheep who follow blindly in this country (which unfortunately is the majority) are falling for his particular line of BS!

  • flamewulf - 2011-04-12 23:08

    What a retard Malema is.

  • robtranskei - 2011-04-12 23:16

    "farmer or boer" i.e. the dirty white froth that one sees blown up the beach on a rough day. So although the meaning has been misconstrued to mean farmer it still refers to white people so I don't see how this song can not be racist as to refers to all white people in this context or in fact all descends of colonial settlers.

  • BIG_MAC - 2011-04-12 23:19

    WHAT REVOLUTION! Simply put Mr Malema you are a RACIST.

  • JCTF - 2011-04-12 23:19

    Once again there are no words for this moron. Even if you somehow forget about what he's trying to achieve, the way he is going about it is the most laughable bit of politics I've ever seen. But the thing that boggles me even more than any of this is how the ANC sits there watching this happen. Can we assume that due to their lack of action against these clowns that they support this point of view? I think it's pretty obvious.

  • brok3news - 2011-04-12 23:36

    People, you are letting click and impression (page views) generating articles get to you. Malema is no potential Gestapo. He won't be sending a hit squad to rape your family one day. You won't need to stock up on canned goods. Get a wider perspective, stop letting the media houses try get this fool to consume you ffs

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-12 23:42

      We felt the same about Zuma, he would never get into power. Now 30 wives later what do we have to say for ourselves?

      omgwtfnews - 2011-04-12 23:57

      Yes - the same was being said when Zuma danced around stage singing umshini wami - which, by the way, given that you were in an english school in the period around 94 wouldn't offend you anyways.. same fears were being perpetuated by the media. We are still alive!..

      Shadoz - 2011-04-13 06:54

      Lets talk in a few years you can't be that blind can you? This court case is the first mistake we are making against this fool.

      Shadoz - 2011-04-13 06:54

      Lets talk in a few years you can't be that blind can you? This court case is the first mistake we are making against this fool.

      system.reset1 - 2011-04-13 13:10

      What do you call the un-uniformed soldiers armed with military equipment that gets sent out to murder farming families by the dozens every year? Is that not a hit-squad??

  • Nick van der Leek - 2011-04-12 23:38

    If they're singing 'shoot the boer' outside the court,when he is being tried for inciting hate speech, that shows you just how arrogant and evil these people are.

      Gerhard - 2011-04-13 08:42

      @wide awake. Say again?

  • Dan the Man - 2011-04-12 23:47

    This crack-head is potentially a future leader of our country. South Africa hasn't established a mature democracy yet which hinges upon a strong economic infrastructure. How can we build a true democracy when the masses are left defenceless and uneducated. Unitl then, South African "democracy" will remain: One man, one uneducated vote. Here's the kicker, democracy is the only method of removing this clown.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-12 23:53

    More bull***t - This is all a smoke screen designed by the corrupt useless racist cANCer to cover what they have stolen and are still stealing. Malema just a puppet designed to distract the population and take the focus away from the funds stolen from the poor, unfortunately the majority will keep falling for it.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-12 23:59

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-12 23:59

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:00

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:01

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:02

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:02

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:04

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:05

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:05

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

  • wide awake - 2011-04-13 00:05

    Revolution lol what revolution, the only revolution is cANCer members contesting to see who can steal more from the nation. Like greedy parasites stealing funds meant to uplift the poor. The greedy parasites will kill each other over the spoils of what they steal, that's the only revolution, should have a new song 'get rid of the useless corrupt racist cANCer' more appropriate.

      Safety4All - 2011-04-13 00:18

      No avens, clearly you are WIDE AWAKE, of hakkel jy net so bietjie? he he. But yes, I agree with you!!

      Gerhard - 2011-04-13 08:43

      Say again?

      Airborne68 - 2011-04-14 08:41

      Suddenly a line of big black cars pulled up beside her. Out of the lead car stepped a bald, grinning man. "Hello little girl, I'm President Zuma. What do you have in the basket?" he asked. "Kittens," little Suzy said. "How old are they?" asked Zuma. Suzy replied, "They're so young, their eyes aren't even open yet." "And what kind of kittens are they?" "ANC," answered Suzy with a smile. Zuma was delighted. As soon as he returned to his car, he called his PR department and told them about the little girl and the kittens. Recognizing the perfect publicity opportunity, they agreed that the president should return the next day; and in front of the assembled media, have the girl talk about her discerning kittens. So the next day, Suzy was again standing on the pavement with her basket of "FREE KITTENS," when the motorcade pulled up, this time followed by all the media. Cameras and audio equipment were quickly set up, then Zuma got out of his car and walked over to little Suzy. "Hello, again," he said, "I'd love it if you would tell all my friends out there what kind of kittens you're giving away." "Yes sir," Suzy said. "They're D A." Taken by surprise, the president stammered, "But... but... yesterday, you told me they were ANC." Little Suzy smiled and said, "I know. But today, they have their eyes open."

  • clark - 2011-04-13 00:19

    - Can someone please inform this idiot that his party, run by his people have been in power for the past 16 years.

      Safety4All - 2011-04-13 00:23

      Maybe he suffered from ''mad black decease'' and tought he is white until a few hours ago.

  • Andre - 2011-04-13 00:28

    The "cheering commando" that is always so readily available to attend public court hearings when ANC politicians are on trial, amazes me. 1. Who are the crowd that "SUPPORT" Julius Malema REALLY? (The very LOUD ones that we see onTV broadcasts?) Are they normal working people that took leave at their full time jobs to go and show their support for their LEADER? (Sacrificing a days salary to show their solidarity with Malema and others?) Are they jobless people and street dwelling beggars that are in the vicinity? Are they accidental bystanders? Perhaps other people involved in court cases on the day? or Are they a fultime "kader platoon", - militia in civilian dress, working for the ANC or Malema? Are they actors being paid to put up a show (playing for the media) to create the impression that Malema is very popular? Perhaps they are "under cover civil servants (deployed kaders)" who have to "earn" their deployment by showing up at court cases of the ELITE? (Is that why their is such poor service delivery - the officials are forever attending "cheering commando's" for the ANC? - no time to serve the people?) Perhaps they are police or military members in "fake" positions with the specific task of giving a "show" at these occasions. 2. Where they bussed in on the account (cost) of Malema or the ANC or Government? (taxpayer's money)? 3. Do those people get food during the day? on whose account? 4. What exactly do THEY (the crowd and politicians) THINK they will achieve by deploying a crowd in front of a court of law? Do they think that a noisy crowd will influence the verdict of the judge? Do they have doubts concerning the fairness of the law and the legal system in South Africa and do they intend to "oversee" the process and the verdict? Do they plan to intervene if the court case doesn't satisfy their expectations? Are they deployed to harass, threaten and "bully" the complainants (opposition) to scare them off or to force them to withdraw their complaint? 5. When Malema states that it is not "him" that is on trial it is THE ENTIRE REVOLUTION, (or the ENTIRE ANC) does he actually deny his subservience to the law? Does he regard himself (THE REVOLUTION OR the ANC) to be above the law?

      Safety4All - 2011-04-13 00:40

      They mostely work in the night times Andre, that is the best time to brake in!

      edvermaak - 2011-04-13 00:40

      Time for us to get our act together brother - order those busses! Why should we not also ferry in the support? Because, we believe in the truth. We rely on the fact. And therefore, we need not fabricate the reality. If the ANC wish to do so - let them - they are only deceiving themselves and their flock. One day - soon, they WILL fall.

      Obelix - 2011-04-13 02:54

      I was thinking the same thing myself. Surely i won't give up a days pay if one of my favourite politicians fu(k up. In fact if you support the anc you will have to put in plenty leave during the year. There are always one involved in court for something illegal. Assholes.

      ArtGee - 2011-04-13 06:38

      RENT - A - CROWD............... Thx to Winnie the Poohead!

      Kevin - 2011-04-13 08:34

      Small point Andre, the word "kader' is spelt cadre and its correct pronounciation is "kahdre" it is a french word. Other than that well said. Remember revenge is a dish best eaten cold, watch what happens to the "elite" in Zimbabwe when the elite changes, as it will. I just hope I live long enough to see what happens to Malema and his ilk.

      CheekySod - 2011-04-13 08:44

      Well said Andre. I find the actions of Malema treasonable. He is placing the "revolution" above the democracy. Also, the crowd, under leadership of Malema is undeniable proof of the intended target of the hate-speech song. By proclaiming that "THE ENTIRE REVOLUTION" is on trial, Malema is elevating himself to be a "HERO OF THE REVOLUTION". He therefore sees himself as untouchable by the law. That is tantamount to treason.

      Mannie777 - 2011-04-13 09:41

      A very good point Andre. Me also thinks where these "crowds" come from. And yes, it sounds to me too as a "rent-a-crowd" situation.

      Mannie777 - 2011-04-13 09:42

      A very good point Andre. Me also thinks where these "crowds" come from. And yes, it sounds to me too as a "rent-a-crowd" situation.

      buzz - 2011-04-13 10:01

      Hey Andre - you'll find quite a few of them here: http://www.sowetanlive.co.za/news/2011/04/13/four-men-raped-by-bosses?filter=all_comments. Geez I thought this forum was bad, but some of those comments are, well, just a tad, lets say militant. Goes to show the ANC is getting their way - this nation is horribly polarised.

      soba le boya - 2011-04-13 11:09

      you will never understand it unless you join the ANC,we sacrifice,volunteer,support without any compensation.capitalists will always attach monetary compensation whenever they see a great effort being undertaken.i am sure all those unanswered questions are driving you nuts,arnt they?

      WITBUL - 2011-04-13 12:21

      @Soba le boya. And that is why you will always be a shack-dweller, look at the smile on my face sitting in my 5 bedroom house. All because I work for it and don't sit around in front of a courthouse supporting a total moron. Enjoy the coming winter comrade!

      clintandmia - 2011-04-13 13:50

      soba le boya - What crap you talking! Most things have a financial bearing on them, especially when running a country. Speak to your leaders with the fancy big black mercs houses in Sandton and the likes (are they doing this for free?). Do they really feel for the people at the bootom of the pile. You probably referring to honest money earned or monies/funds accounted for! Get real buddy! At the end of the day its all about money. But the question is - is it being used properly? Your leaders enjoy the high life, the good parties and wasting money that should be channelled to the right places. I would vote for the ANC if they were doing a good job, but hey! they are corrupt and bloody useless. We are watching our towns, cities, education and every other service - and going to the dogs and the poor are getting poorer! Wake up and smell the roses!

  • maseratifitt - 2011-04-13 00:48

    "...and again we will defeat them". Who is "them"? What revolution? Where? Why ? How? By whom? When? If there is no enemy, then CREHATE one. If people don't want to play along, then become your own enemy. HATE,HATE,HATE. ANC pays very well for hate,mate. Or perhaps they just moving you into check,mate. HATE,HATE,HATE. Don't be late for your date with fate,mate.

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-13 01:03

      It is called misdirection. In the ANC's case create an enemy the people can identify with. That way they will be less likely to see you for your inadequacies. I just wonder what their next scapegoat will be. Then again you can milk "350 years of oppression" for quite a long time.

  • Ryan - 2011-04-13 00:57

    In civilised countries, the youth learn about politics in schools, and universities. They learn through discussion, and informed debate. In South africa, the youth are rounded up by some guy who is old enough to know better, and brainwashed, into thinking they can get ANYTHING they want...just take it from the white man.. And when its all gone? Who you going to take it from then? History aside, if anyone wants a peacful, well run country, you have to worlk for what you want, and you ahve to vote for the party that will not rob steal and plunder... Everyone knows apartheid died almsot 20 years ago... so why is it constantly spat out at every political debate / arena?? WHite people voted to end apartheid, because they knew it didnt work and it was wrong... unfortunatly hte masses are blinded by hate, and fear mongering from those in power who have no interest in creating a well run country. In 15 years, I expect to see Malema in England, or the USA , with all his millions, spouting off about hoq apartheid caused South Africa to become a waste land, while all his Sheeple, are rotting in the slums of south africa. Vote DA.

      Gatvol - 2011-04-13 03:50

      The scary part is that as the DA gains more power, these guys (Malema and his growing followers) will become more militant. They will STOP AT NOTHING to ensure that the country will remain under black control. Should the DA become a significant force, it will mean the beginning of the end. Our constitution wouldn't become worth anything more than the paper it was written on. I give it 1 general election, after which you will see some very unsettling changes, and after 2 general elections this country will be going down the toilet at such a rapid pace, it will leave your head spinning. It wouldn't be that much a different country than Zimbabwe to live in.

      JM - 2011-04-13 09:52

      @Gatvol, you see this is where I differ from you. The DA is not a White party, look at the colour of the supporters. Its a party for the people by the people (All South Africans). The ANC doesn't like this, hence the white party propaganda. Hellen is white but the clear majority of the party is non-white (Black,Coloured,Indian). Its not about what race rules, its about what party can save and run this country to help us get out of poverty.

      Steve Wonderboy - 2011-04-13 14:53

      @JM The MDC in Zimbabwe is almost completely black. Does not seem to stop Mugabe from killing anyone who disagrees with him though. In any case if you've been following the comments of the ANC officials you would notice that they brand anyone who disagrees with them as racist, so better prepare yourself for some black on black violence.

  • onetickie - 2011-04-13 01:27

    This comment should be taken seriously. Malema is no longer a joke and with winnie as his backup he truly needs to be monitored carefully. He talks about the 'revolution' being on trial – what revolution? Is a SA revolution imminent?

  • onetickie - 2011-04-13 01:30

    It appears that my comments are being withheld after having asked the editor why he would not print one specific submission. I became frustrated and was, regretably rude. I therefore apologise to the editor and would ask that my comments are again submitted. I was rude to the editor and/or moderator so again please accept my apologies.

  • Sa - 2011-04-13 02:45

    The question we should be asking is "Would they also shoot a black farmer?" Chances are zero! We moved out of South Africa 4 years ago and we not looked back, yes we miss the country and we miss our family and friends and have great concern for them. The reason why we left SA was rather simple, we asked ourselves this question "What future do our children have being white South Africans?" Well I guess you know the answer to that.

      Gatvol - 2011-04-13 03:53

      You made a very wise move.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-13 08:23

      à tout à l'heure

      Ross - 2011-04-13 10:23

      My Afrikaans grand children are being educated in a good English school as they will emigrate one day. 80% of the pupils are Afrikaans speaking and they are there for the same reason.

      wide awake - 2011-04-14 10:27

      Wise move, the future here with cANCer is going to be like Uganda - Idi Amin or Zim Magabe.

  • Gatvol - 2011-04-13 03:28

    I can remember that when non-white people referred to "the boere" during the apartheid years they referred to white people in general and not just white farmers.The struggle was not about being liberated from the white farmers, it was about being liberated from white rule. Yes, liberation songs are part of the black heritage, and I am sure that they have many liberation songs. But singing "shoot the boer" is NOT appropriate to sing, as anybody knows what the words of the song implies.I think that nobody needs to be reminded that we live in one of the most violent countries on earth. Sing the other songs, but don't sing that one. I wonder what is this REVOLUTION Malema keeps on talking about.Is it about stripping white people from their land, property, homes? Does anybody here have any idea what this Malema fool is talking about?? Is he maybe hinting of some secret agenda?

      CheekySod - 2011-04-13 09:00

      The term "Boer" or "Boere" is still in common use, referring to any White person, farmer or urbanite. The song states: "Shoot the BOER" It implies nothing. It is very clear in what is required. By proclaiming that "THE ENTIRE REVOLUTION" is on trial, Malema is elevating himself to be a "HERO OF THE REVOLUTION". He therefore sees himself as untouchable by the law. That is tantamount to treason. Also, it seems as if there is a "new" revolution brewing. South Africa is a democracy. There are a large contingent of the ANC that still beleives in Communism. Although the communistic ideologies died in the rest of the world, the Communist ANC portion will destroy everything to live their broken dream. One song, sung by the supreme racist, is on trial. Until Malema started singing the Kill the Boer song, it was fading into history. The song should be in a museum, not in court.

      Fractious - 2011-04-13 09:41

      There is also a deeper psychological dynamic at play. The ANC hordes are stricken with a profound sense of inferiority. For all their bad-mouthing of white people, they recognise the intellectual, cultural and technological achievements of the European tradition. How can they not! The evidence is all around them, and has very much defined the SA we know today. But they cannot emulate them, and therefore must destroy what they themselves are incapable of creating. Their war against the white man is an attempt to erase any reminder of their own inferiority.

      wide awake - 2011-04-14 10:41

      Gatvol - to answer your question 'Does anybody here have any idea what this Malema fool is talking about?' It is really easy to know what he is about: Go read some old news headlines 'Uganda - Idi Amin' 'Zimbabwe - Magabe after contracting syphilis. It is really simple, the cANCer have and are still stealing everything meant to uplift the poor, after 17 years their followers are starting to notice. The whites and the media who always notice and point out these behaviors need to be silenced, therefore the distraction of racist remarks etc by the cANCer, next up 'land grabs', when you have stolen everything and still need to satisfy the people, the only solution is tell them to take what they want from the working class. If you have protesters who are aware of how corrupt you are, you shoot a few to send the message that 'the dictator is in charge - without rules, after that you destroy whats left of the constitution and presto you have Zimbabwe - A few very wealthy dictators and a starving nation.

  • Stephen - 2011-04-13 03:55

    What revolution is he talkng about? i thought the ANC was still a liberation movement. The "revolution" he's talking about is that of stealing from the poor.This country is run by idiots.

  • Sean Burn - 2011-04-13 05:25

    Malema will be assassinated before this year is out..

      Wezz - 2011-04-13 08:21

      And I fear many innocent people will pay the price for that.

      OB1 - 2011-04-13 09:53

      All that will do is make a martyr out of him. Many innocent white ppl will pay the price for something that stupid. He must be removed by legal means, otherwise where does this stop? Some black dude is not happy with the DA, so Zille is shot, then that pisses another wit ou off so he bumps Winnie off and the tit for tat spins out of control and the country descends into chaos and a race based civil war. People will die by the thousands, perhaps even hundreds of thousands.

      Mike - 2011-04-14 09:43

      You better pray that this does not happen! If you don't know why then you are a true first class idiot!

  • Sean Burn - 2011-04-13 05:26

    It doesn't matter how many bodyguards you have Mr. Malema, you will not see 2012.. I assure you.

      Kritch - 2011-04-13 05:59

      Get me a Heckler & Koch PSG, I'll assist for free.

  • ?????? - 2011-04-13 05:37

    What a beautiful song rich in heritage but now subjected to court ruling. IFwe erase history we'll never know where we came from and we'll never know where we're going...

      Judge DREAD - 2011-04-13 06:42

      You have no clue whats going on here do you? How can you support a song that sings " Kill the boer" while thousands of Farmers are being murdered every day. Do you not eat fruit and veg and meat - oh but it looks like you dont even live in SA

      Bonzer - 2011-04-13 06:44

      "Beautiful song" and "Rich in Heritage"?. Apparently that is all black Africa has to offer the world, shame poor things I almost feel sorry for them. Almost .....

      Educated - 2011-04-13 08:38

      But it's ok to wipe out the white man's history then. Is it?

      Eric - 2011-04-13 09:36

      When I lived in Israel a Jew asked me (and this was in "2004") why are south African whites so horrible to blacks. So I answered him with a question about the Palestinians. His answer and I quote "It is a different issue;”we are dealing with a sub human species, not so in your case.".........So go back to Palestine or Israel brother to Arafat and make Peace in your own back yard.

      Eric - 2011-04-13 09:36

      When I lived in Israel a Jew asked me (and this was in "2004") why are south African whites so horrible to blacks. So I answered him with a question about the Palestinians. His answer and I quote "It is a different issue;”we are dealing with a sub human species, not so in your case.".........So go back to Palestine or Israel brother to Arafat and make Peace in your own back yard.

      Eric - 2011-04-13 09:36

      When I lived in Israel a Jew asked me (and this was in "2004") why are south African whites so horrible to blacks. So I answered him with a question about the Palestinians. His answer and I quote "It is a different issue;”we are dealing with a sub human species, not so in your case.".........So go back to Palestine or Israel brother to Arafat and make Peace in your own back yard.

      O.W.M - 2011-04-13 09:53

      It is true that we should not erase our history. But like everything that the ANC inherited they either broke it, stole it, abused it, desecrated it or changed the name of it. Do our children (those who go to school) still learn about Jan van Riebeek, Shaka Zulu, Dingaan, Piet Retief, Cecile John Rhodes, to name a few. The answer to that is NO!!!!! it has like everything else been moved and swept aside, in order for the masses to forget. Let us take sometime to ponder just how South Africa was set free from British rule. Who fought the war to reclaim our nation for all South Africans? Yes Apartheid was awful and yes it was wrong, the architects of then are all either DEAD or forgotten. MOVE ON!!!!!!!!!!! Start contributing to society and become a member of our Nation. Everyone wants RSA to be the beautiful place we all know it to be. Never forget where we all came from!!!

      Mannie777 - 2011-04-13 09:56

      It's exactly the same as singing "Kill the Jew" .... oops, did is say something wrong? .... My point exactly!

      Pragmatist - 2011-04-13 12:37

      You come from the Central Congo Basin (the Bantu language root is there - pedi, isizulu, karanga, etc) and you are going no where. That answer your questions?

      Pragmatist - 2011-04-13 12:37

      You come from the Central Congo Basin (the Bantu language root is there - pedi, isizulu, karanga, etc) and you are going no where. That answer your questions?

      Mike - 2011-04-14 09:41

      Yes dumkopf - it belongs in the past and in history - it is wrttten - it will not be lost to history, but let it be and move on ! It is sowing hatred and dividing the nation! Can you not get that into your fat skull?

  • Kritch - 2011-04-13 05:57

    I urgently need a Heckler & Koch PSG1. Problem/s solved.

      jspaey - 2011-04-13 21:29

      Dude, do you remember how the Rwandan civil war started? Assassinating a figurehead that is loved by the majority is a pretty dumb move.

  • Torstein Riiber - 2011-04-13 05:58

    a sisck leader!! i feel sorry for SA

      Sallie - 2011-04-13 08:13

      Point made but I will not classify him as a leader.

  • Straight Forward - 2011-04-13 06:02

    I always knew it was true. Now Malema has confirmed it. The blacks are revolting

      Willem - 2011-04-13 10:11

      Are they planning to hold a night of the long knifes? is that the revolution that is on trial?

  • Goofster - 2011-04-13 06:12

    It seems to me that the ANC has learned well from their former colonial master, Britain. When colonising any country, Britain followed a policy of divide and rule, as opposed to divide and conquer. This policy meant that a dividing point was identified within the population, and a deep wedge was created, effectively creating chaos in the populace, but made it easy for Britain to rule. The divide in SA is the colour of our skins, and while I firmly believe that natural integration is the best course for democracy, by fuelling the flames of racism and highlighting this divide, the ANC are in effect driving the wedge deeper. This is often creating a knee jerk reaction from the White community, infuencing many voters that would normally vote along "what's best for SA", to voting for the ANC out of a sense of obligation due to the "us and them" situation created. Whatever party you decide to vote, ensure it's the best party for the Country. Vote with your head, not your heart. leave emotions at the door.

      paulf - 2011-04-13 06:15

      Well said there. I wonder if the World sees what is actually happening in our country under the ANC? I hope that they are taking note of what is actually happening.

      SeanJ - 2011-04-13 08:34

      only about time when they start with the sanctions again.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-13 08:37

      @PaulF, you have no idea whats happening in this country. As long as you let newspaper headlines dictate your perspective. You will always be a slave to external interests. Take note no news agency/paper/site in the world does not serve its own interest.(otherwise it would not last long) As much as it is important to know what information you are being given it is important to know why and by whom.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-13 08:40

      @PaulF, you have no idea whats happening in this country. As long as you let newspaper headlines dictate your perspective. You will always be a slave to external interests. Take note no news agency/paper/site in the world does not serve its own interest.(otherwise it would not last long) As much as it is important to know what information you are being given it is important to know why and by whom.

      Tamzien - 2011-04-13 08:40

      @PaulF, you have no idea whats happening in this country. As long as you let newspaper headlines dictate your perspective. You will always be a slave to external interests. Take note no news agency/paper/site in the world does not serve its own interest.(otherwise it would not last long) As much as it is important to know what information you are being given it is important to know why and by whom.

  • c1 - 2011-04-13 06:19

    Can someone pls remove this guy.... he is making troubles for SAfrica, just one ... tussen die oogies

  • c1 - 2011-04-13 06:20

    Can someone pls remove this guy.... he is making troubles for SAfrica, just one ... tussen die oogies

      Farmerjohn - 2011-04-13 06:40

      Nie tussen die oogies nie, Daar is fokol daar.

  • Judge DREAD - 2011-04-13 06:39

    @ Anne-Marie Gray and anyone else thats forgotten because im not reading any of it in the current news- it doesnt matter how and where the struggle songs were song before apartheid was abolished- they then rightfully served their place yes. THE PROBLEM IS WITH JULIUS MALEMA SINGING " Kill the Boer" NOW, yesterday and tomorrow while thousands of farmers are violently murdered. DUH ! Bloody racist idiot

  • daaivark - 2011-04-13 06:41

    Oh come on you knuckle. The revolution is over, and you were still in nappies when it happened. Go suck up to mommy Winnie some more.

  • reyrey - 2011-04-13 06:44

    I pray for my family in SA !!! IF THAT HAD TO HAPPEN HERE WHERE A POLITICIAN EVEN UTTERS THE WORD OF KILLING ANOTHER ETHNIC GROUP ( SONG OR NOT) THEY WOULD BE AXED ON THE SPOT ON THAT DAY ! MY BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS SO MANY PEOPLE WHO SUPPORT THE IDEA OF SINGING THE SONG (ESPECIALLY THAT WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST MURDER RATES IN THE WORLD) TO ALL OF YOU KNOW THAT YOUR FELLOW SOUTH AFRICANS ARE PRAYING FOR YOU AT THIS TIME !!!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:01

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:01

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:01

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:01

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:01

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!

  • Looter - 2011-04-13 07:02

    Malema...you are a man just like me, you will have to eat, sleep, drink and die like every other person on this planet. You have no special abilities, nor do you have a higher power, we are all equal on this planet, so next time you talk about people, do it with a little more respect so we can have some for you! Childish and irresponsible are words i would use to describe your actions, i hope for our countries sake that you take what ever is stuck up your behind and remove it permanently!