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Tide turns against Zuma

2012-07-01 20:41

Johannesburg - Last week’s ANC policy conference saw President Jacob Zuma taking a series of knocks that have left serious doubts about how much support he still has in the party he leads.

Zuma was defeated on almost all the policies he championed, signalling that the ANC was divided in its support for him.

Policies linked to him include:

» The proposed “second transition” document, which delegates decided should instead be called “the second phase of the first transition”;

» The youth wage subsidy, which Zuma mooted for the first time in his 2010 State of the Nation Address, but which was rejected by delegates; and

» The controversial traditional courts bill, which was dusted off by Zuma and which was seen as an attempt to win the support of traditional leaders in rural provinces.

In a further dent to his ambitions, the policies which Zuma opposed were pushed through during the Midrand conference.

For example, the party agreed to “strategic nationalisation”, which meant the state could take over assets it felt were necessary to its development, such as Telkom.

Second transition

Zuma was at pains to explain during the conference that the second transition was not his idea, but delegates saw it differently.

A member of Zuma’s executive said it was clear in commissions that speaking in favour of the second transition meant you were supporting Zuma.

The source said: “It was so bad. It was clear that if you get up to talk, you are going one way or the other way. Even if you supported some parts of the [second transition] document, you couldn’t say it, because then you’d be lumped with the other side.”

The source also said that ANC deputy president Kgalema Motlanthe and Zuma took part in the debates, but were divided about what the second transition meant.

“They went from commission to commission. [Motlanthe] was asking questions about the second transition and number one [Zuma] was just there to reinforce his stance that the second transition was a good thing.”

Another delegate said the issue was “over-personalised” by delegates from provinces like KwaZulu-Natal, Mpumalanga and Free State as being about Zuma. This had affected the depth of the theoretical debate, according to the delegate.

'Panic'

A Gauteng anti-Zuma delegate said the word from the president’s camp was that there was “a high level of panic” among his supporters and that Zuma was “uncomfortable” as a leader after last week.

Sources said the agreement in conference was that the second transition would be merely “appreciated”.

The party’s policy head Jeff Radebe told journalists on Thursday that all commissions accepted the content and thrust of the strategy and tactics document, of which the second transition formed part.

A pro-Zuma national executive committee member said it would be unfair to describe the dropping of the term “second transition” as a setback for Zuma: “[ANC secretary general Gwede] Mantashe himself said you can call this a dog, or a white cat. The name changed, but nothing else in the document changed.”

Instead of Zuma’s youth wage subsidy the party pushed the job seekers’ grant which, rather than pay companies to employ young people, would pay a grant to young job seekers.

The ANC’s ally Cosatu resisted the youth wage subsidy from the start, but the idea initially seemed to enjoy support within the party.

Last week it was rejected outright.

Zuma could now be forced to reroute the already approved budget of R5bn allocated to the youth wage subsidy.

Traditional courts bill

The controversial traditional courts bill, which originated during Thabo Mbeki’s presidency but which was pushed by Zuma in recent months, came under fire in the commissions.

Despite Zuma’s warnings to conference about discipline, delegates failed to abide by the rules that forbade divisive behaviour.

They openly sang songs supporting Motlanthe, while others sang that ­Zuma would win a ­second term in ­Mangaung.

In plenary sessions, delegates ­argued to the point of throwing water bottles at each other and on Friday night a discussion about nationalisation turned ugly as delegates started pushing and shoving each other.

Zuma hurriedly left the meeting hall to go to his holding room – according to some to go and regroup. Others said he was just going to the toilet.

A national executive committee member told City Press these incidents could warrant disciplinary action against the delegates involved.

Comments
  • Emil - 2012-07-01 10:17

    Paying a grant to young people ? What makes the ANC believe that these youngsters will look for a job unless tied to a specific period. This will create more corruption .Encourage and finance a apprentice scheme that is well managed not like the school system where students are still waiting for books 6 months into the year.

      downwiththeANC - 2012-07-01 21:05

      free handouts ? Where can i sign up. I have been loafing around for a while now with no income. This is sweet. This is a JOKE?

      celeste.rsa - 2012-07-01 22:00

      How are these grants going to create work for young people? So many grants, so few taxpayers....

      Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-07-01 22:45

      These grants are a load of nonsense.Zuma is going to use tax payers money to bribe the youth to vote for him. Just like they are bribing the mothers and old people with social grants. They should create new industries in rural areas where there is over population but no economic development. Now they are starting to fight among each other about who must be in control, because those bastards in control will have access to the tax payers mony. So more, corruption, more corruption

      Mark - 2012-07-02 06:17

      When you inject money into the economy on the scale that these measures propose, it places a serious burden on all the people that participate in it. The government will have to issue more fiat currency in order to hand out the required amount. The result will be that the value of the Rand goes down, which manifests as a rise in the price of goods. This is inflation, or an 'invisible tax' that comes about as a direct result of printing more money than one has. Of course a person with a Std. 4 education could not hope to grasp this proven economic fact.

      scebberish.umfazi - 2012-07-02 06:24

      Bring back apprenticeships and the Government subsidies for these that go towards the training costs. Artisans have skills they can use and even help them towards becoming young Entreperneurs. University Graduates and Honorary Degrees are a dime a worthless dozen!!

      carpejugulim - 2012-07-02 06:39

      Very soon we will have a nation that is grant reliant which is exactly what the anc wants, people who rely on them for money, people who have no incentive to better themselves or their situations because as long as they are getting grants they will vote anc. We already have a problem of children bearing children who have the mindset that what they are doing is right because the government pays for you to be pregnant and have children (so I was informed by a heavily pregnant teenager) South Africa has so many job seekers and so little employment opportunity that it would make far more sense long term to pay education grants and create jobs with an apprenticeship program. Create self-pride and a work ethic by providing better education and opportunities for people.

      wesleywt - 2012-07-02 07:23

      @emil its not a grant to young people. Its a grant to businesses to hire young people. A DA policy.

      matshobana.siziba - 2012-07-02 09:40

      ANC doesnt want anyone who makes sense. Zuma is trying to make sense now (youth wage subsidy) and the tide turns against him because thats not what he was employed to do.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-07-02 12:45

      Zuma is finished. Helen has got it! http://www.da.org.za/newsroom.htm?action=view-news-item&id=10902

      tristan.johnson.355 - 2012-07-02 15:47

      None of you, bar wesleywt, seem to have read a damn thing about the wage subsidy, yet feel you can comment. What a load of rubbish all of you are spewing here. a) it is not a subsidy that goes directly to the 'youth', and b) it is not an ANC incentive at all. The youth wage subsidy was proposed to save your jobs, not the youths. So keep complaining, you're only hurting yourself in the long run. Tons of SA companies who would rather hire untrained staff out of high school as they work for far less than 30+ year olds with experience and qualifications. The end result is huge layoffs of older, more experienced staff, to introduce young staff, who know little, but work for even less.

      downwiththeANC - 2012-07-02 21:31

      at wesleywt...the ANC 's youth grant is different to the proposed youth subsidy by the DA you git. The ANC wants to give money to people that dont work and dont want to , while the DA proposes to give money to people that want to work by stimulating businesses to hire them. BIG DIFFERENCE even though it looks like the same thing.

  • Lindelwa - 2012-07-01 10:25

    Zuma goes to the toilet when the going gets tough. If it's too hot, get out of the kitchen! You wanted the hot seat now you can't handle it, then don't run for a second term, anyway you had said you only wanted one term, what happened to that? were you just misleading South Africans to get the first term?

      downwiththeANC - 2012-07-01 21:10

      maybe he did just needed a big dump, or a quick shower

      Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-07-01 22:47

      he is what should be dumped

      mihaip007 - 2012-07-01 23:43

      He was "polishing" his spear

      scebberish.umfazi - 2012-07-02 06:25

      Guess he wet himself under pressure............

      Mark - 2012-07-02 07:03

      Yeah, Mugabe has also only served 'one term' it will end when he dies. Zuma needs to be dictator for life if he hopes to sustain his harem. The people who voted for him couldn't see further than their own noses, and were merely chasing politcal patronage. Now even Malema, who wanted to 'kill for Zuma', has seen the error of his ways. Down with JZ, Down!

      alf.pop - 2012-07-02 20:42

      He probably had to change his underpants! At least now COSATU can count on a few thousand more troublemakers during protests, with the youngsters getting paid without lifting a finger. Another lot that will keep bottle stores, shebeens and drugpushers in business. Maybe the ANC will transfer funds from their offshore accounts to fund the job seekers' grant? Mangaung should be interesting!

      phonis9 - 2012-07-02 23:36

      dont be so hard on the guy,remember hes got twenty yes 20 kids and ten yes thats right 10 wifes that we know of,and they are all hungry,he needs this term not to improve the country but to feed his own family on our tax money,all he needs to do is make alot of empty promises to very poor people about their welfare in order to get their votes,and then he can sit for another 4 years and do nothing just look important,and fly around in his new plane.....sweet plan hope it works for u pres.

  • maggsnaidu - 2012-07-01 12:22

    “the second phase of the first transition”. Fascinating. How many transitions are we going to have?

      geronimo.feather - 2012-07-01 21:27

      How many more "phases" too? They could still be blaming Apartheid in 100 years time!

      scebberish.umfazi - 2012-07-02 06:26

      geronimo, I think you left off a zero or two.........

      Vince.York - 2012-07-02 06:49

      PLUS 50 million citizens of SA can see at last that they have been held to ransom by this small gaggle of anc strugglers which entire party is less than 1 million, (as they defraud and rip the public coffers off quick time) AND MAYBE NOW they will start to see why a DEMOCRACY is constituted to sway the balance of power from one that has become too powerful for too long and gone to seed. The ANC served it's purpose as a struggle party, and it's chiefs have taken MORE than their fair share. The ANC was never and will never be a true government, especially when it continually places unqualified, uninterested and totally inexperienced people into positions of power and authority through deployment on the lines of traditional tribal paternal kingdoms lavishing out largesse (quaintly calling it communistic pandering). When voters see that they can indeed vote for opposition parties and have turns in governance, and that the 'white danger' is merely a misty ghost in the sky thrown up by these strugglers to stay in their seats, then SA will demonstrate maturity and start looking to nurturing their youth with care and focus BUT UNTIL THEN look at the results further north and all around you. SA's economy is being sucked dry by the east and far east today, instead of europe and the americas, even worse than before mind you. The scale of poverty and hopelessness and deviant behaviour of the youth which under anc seemingly goes up anywhere to age 55 confirms all this.

      Revelgen - 2012-07-02 10:54

      Spot on VinceYork. It has now become clear that the ANC is leading SA down into a disastrous spiral though their incompetence and corruption. There is only so much tax money available, and as the ANC pursue their Communistic-inspired ideas (which have been proven to wreck every country where they have been), expenses are going to continue to rise against income. That means less and less for the poor. South Africa has great potential (we have the largest mineral wealth in Africa), but until we have a government that can boost education, skills training and employment, the poor are just going to get poorer while a few ANC head honchos get ever richer. This state of affairs cannot continue.

  • tobydt - 2012-07-01 20:49

    "the state could take over assets it felt were necessary to its development, such as Telkom." But it was ANC that sold Telkom as a government entity and made lots of cash from the shares. Are they saying now, they will take back the private entity?

      dudu.son.1 - 2012-07-02 02:43

      the idea of using the ancyl when one wants position no.one needs to change. For using Malema to get to the top? I would rather 4get. Using Malema* Plz these actions are embarrasing. In Mangaung it will call for S. A. N. D. F !

      scebberish.umfazi - 2012-07-02 06:28

      Good idea they have, take it back so they can sell it again at the next electios and make more money.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-07-02 08:19

      Its called Capital theft , another big investment marketing campaign !

  • bhekubaba.mawelela - 2012-07-01 20:53

    the president made one of those mistakes...openly disclose an anc polilcy document pending discussion...dug his own grave...stil wide open he needs to pull himself out.

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-07-01 21:39

      Is it really called policies or skeletons ?? They have truck loads of skeletons in their lockers .ahahahahah bla bla bla bla bla

  • Hoosen Essa - 2012-07-01 20:58

    welcome to South Africa, the country known for its animals!!!!

      Lacrimose - 2012-07-01 21:46

      Sadly the best and finest animals are nearly extinct

  • kevin.kramer111 - 2012-07-01 21:02

    The kindergarten is having its' annual party...and the children are squabbling over who gets the most sweeties.....sad but true...this is Africa...

  • downwiththeANC - 2012-07-01 21:03

    Quite frankly I think the ANC is heavily divided. One wing says yes to nationalisation and the other no. One is for land grabs, the other not. Their is no clear policy and the citizens and businesses are left in the dark. I don't like Zuma, but Motlante likes Malema, so i don't like him either. So whatever the outcomes of ths R40 million conference party the country faces a bleak future. All this shenanigans can only end when the DA comes to power, and I am sure the DA will just gather more and more votes as the greedy ANC elite tear each other apart like savage dogs after a few left over pieces of KFC chicken bones. Not much left to fight for after destroying the country and leaving it in a filthy state of decay and rot.

      downwiththeANC - 2012-07-01 21:07

      they aiming for the western cape now too and want to reduce the number of provinces so they can get their hands on it and %^&( it up just like the rest of africa

      Lacrimose - 2012-07-01 21:16

      ANC has 100s of policies - some acknowledged as best in the world. Their mega, constant fail - inability to implement or implementaton with catastrophic results. ANC has lurched from crisis to crisis since they took the reigns. Their inability to translate words into meaningful, constructive action will be their undoing. JZ or not. Simple logic that any govt/organisation will tell you; if you don't have the skills & imagination, all the policies in the world matter not. One day it was 1994, the next it was 2012 with 75% of 18-35s unemployed and unemployable. This is the group from which our (not too distant) future leaders will be chosen from. So hell-bent have they been on remedying the past, that they lost sight of the future. We don't need any more transitions,policy conferences or tugging at historical heart-strings. We need a New Deal, right here, right now.

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-07-02 04:29

      I like your name

      richard.zanner - 2012-07-02 09:14

      Yes you are so right. 18 years have seen fighting over the cake left by the previous regime and this cake is almost depleted. No effort was made to try and bake a new cake. BEE was an instant solution to instant gratification and the whole Government has been about instant gratification instead of investing the money that was available into meaningful ventures e.g education and teaching people skills so that they can go out there and create their own wealth as opposed to standing in line trying to get a piece of what was created by somebody else and that will not last forever. It is a fact that 5 million people cannot carry the can for the entire population, especially at the rate that Zuma is buying Airplanes, so unless skills are tough to increase this base and increase self reliance this country is stuffed.

  • Gerda Malherbe - 2012-07-01 21:07

    What a circus! Can't even discipline a conference, what about a whole country. JZ will be going to the toilet a lot up until Mangaung

  • theovnk - 2012-07-01 21:46

    Zooma, chief clown of the African National Circus

  • phumlani.veliti - 2012-07-01 21:54

    checkmate...mr president

  • corrie.botha.7 - 2012-07-01 22:23

    whahaha i like the politsht inside the politoilet so the struggle is over u said well guess what u got a new enemy and it is ure own comrade he wants the curupt piece of the same pie u want..hey heres an plan 4 u toi toi bring out the song mashiniwane 4 zuma suporters and the rest change the words of 1 bullet 1 to 1 bullet 1 comrade...and sort it out in the way u are used to.. VIVA AMANDLA HEHEHE

  • elmarie.viljoen.7 - 2012-07-01 22:28

    The tide turns against Zuma!! I wish that the majority would realise this too.

      fezile.somraba - 2012-07-02 00:39

      it is true that zuma is not goin 2 get the second term i deed as i was analysing the whole confernce i hv discovered that if zuma wants 2 be respected he must not avail himself in mangaung otherwise he is goin 2 be embarrased.if u r still associated with zuma it is better 4 u 2 jump the ship while it is still early otherwise when we come bk from mangaung we will be putting ppl 2 their places.

  • hendrikvs - 2012-07-01 22:34

    Slim vang sy baas!

  • jacque.raymer - 2012-07-01 22:59

    "In plenary sessions, delegates argued to the point of throwing water bottles at each other and on Friday night a discussion about nationalisation turned ugly as delegates started pushing and shoving each other" - and these animals run our country, wonder if any international reporters got any of that on video how it would look for the country...

      dineo.mothibi.1 - 2012-07-02 00:01

      U cn ask tht question again, it is so disgracing while we think they are taking decision, discussing, implementing some issues, ANC has failed is time they accept tht

      Kenny Bianco - 2012-07-02 06:06

      This is disgrace, not only political, I dont think ZANU PF behaves like that

  • andy.t.mcdermott - 2012-07-01 23:05

    Surely you need jobs to seek first.

  • tony.wardle.75 - 2012-07-02 00:23

    So is it the second transition of the third generation, or the first transition of this generation, or the first phase of the second er um aw forget it, it all smells the same.

  • Lennon Chenga - 2012-07-02 02:09

    Unfortunately, Zuma as I commented before, is biting more than he can chew. I believe it's good strategy to at least deliver to the people what u promised in your campaign that made people vote for u. Changing goal posts, in the middle of your term before u have even delivered what u promised, creates the problems u r facing now. We believed in u, even voted when there were charges against u! But as many promises that u made, none have been delivered at least, non that u've taken credit for! So either present a document where u highlight country achievements in your term or be ready for an uprising! Don't expect support just because you are promising the next milestone before delivering the past. My opinion and I may be very wrong! Prove your critics wrong or pass the torch, we really can't experiment for another five years!!!

  • Lennon Chenga - 2012-07-02 02:33

    One of Zuma's biggest mistakes is not uniting the people of SA, which I think is important at this stage for the future of SA. We've got xenophobia, farm killings, youth rebellions, factions in the party........! We believed Zuma was a people person but all that we are seeing now is arrogance and the next fight. Where is the tolerance, where is listening to the youth, the workers, looking after the poor blah blah blah? Are these not the qualities we saw and voted for? I may be wrong, but that's what I voted for!!!

  • naicker.patrick - 2012-07-02 04:43

    Zoooooom poked by his own SPEAR- Friends are few when dark clouds gather- take a sheter JZ in your kraal with your concubines and tend to cattle and herd the goats at home.You will be in competiton with JU JU.

  • scebberish.umfazi - 2012-07-02 06:23

    Bring back apprenticeships and the Government subsidies for these that go towards the training costs. Artisans have skills they can use and even help them towards becoming young Entreperneurs. University Graduates and Honorary Degrees are a dime a worthless dozen!!

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-02 15:59

      I agree totally. The plumbers and electricians I know are never without work!

  • zamani.myende - 2012-07-02 06:57

    City Press thanx 4 not mentioning Julius Malema and Tokyo Sexwale in this article.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-07-02 07:17

    I guess the youth wage idea is too practical for the ANC to accept. Rather just give young job seekers some money - it will of coarse be very easy to prove they are actually seeking work, they surely would not visit the nearest shebeen with the money, while mom and dad carried on feeding them. Brilliant ANC - guess they had to reject the idea as the opposition liked it. Rather waste money than agree with the opposition.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-07-02 07:21

    The ANC is only interested in politics, it clearly has a very slight interest in making our country a better place for all to live in. Vote ANC, you get everything for mahala - until the system collapses as it can no longer afford it. Then everything is going to hit the fan, and it aint gonna smell good!!

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-07-02 07:27

    This is the people who's suppose to run the country? Its a joke. The party fighting each other.

  • joline.elhage - 2012-07-02 07:47

    hahah a Grant will never work in this country, then youngsters will never look for a job... think with your brains idiots...! Nationalisation will cripple this country and we might as well just leave this country to fall to pieces. I cannot believe how stupid people are that are running this country.

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-07-02 08:02

    Just the pigs shoving each other for a spot at the trough.

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-07-02 08:28

    Very interesting.

  • elkita.robbertse - 2012-07-02 08:32

    Zuma jy kort a "facelift."Jy was seker maar altyd so vreeslik lelik.Sorry maar waar

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-02 08:39

    The bottom line is, to vote for the ANC is like asking a chicken to vote for KFC. Dangerous!

  • john.radebe - 2012-07-02 08:43

    Somebody help me please, why do they reject youth wage subsidy? What do they say about unemployed youth? You getting paid for being a job seeker? Why not subsidise companies that will give them experience? ...we need the party that will compete with the ANC and I only see DA..

  • Ryno - 2012-07-02 08:44

    anything not to create employment and keep the masses poor...

  • sesom - 2012-07-02 08:48

    Get rid of him before he takes delivery of his new AEROPLANE..

      Twolips - 2012-07-02 11:02

      Aeroplane deal seems to have been cancelled according to the Sunday Tribune.

  • johleneh - 2012-07-02 08:55

    No honour amongst thieves...

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-02 09:10

    What shallow analysis from news24, if you really believe that Zuma would not run and win the second term then I doubt your forecasting skills. In as much as I would love to see change in ANC, bringing a leader who will tackle economic transformation head on. But or now I guess we just have to settle with Zuma, moan, groan and boo all you like but Zuma’s got this one, better live with it!

  • marie.salzwedel - 2012-07-02 09:11

    @wesleywt - The DA suggested a grant to be paid to businesses to employ young people but the ANC changed it and said the grant should be paid to the young people looking for work!!!

  • ntuthuko.msane.5 - 2012-07-02 09:12

    I echo some of the readers comment, how are these grants going to work... it still boggles me.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-07-02 09:18

    The social grants are already being abused, and so will this. What I want to know they are so worried about the youth what about the old people. Many of them can still do a hard days work but have been forced out of the work place because of their age and to make way for the youth. These poor people have nothing to fall back on except their own savings. Having to fork up for electricity and basic services and medical aid the same as a person who has a job. Interest rates are so low that they are having to dip into their savings. Government pensioners are suffering badly as well. This country does'nt care a fig for their old people who have worked hard paid taxes and even help build the country. They are only worried about the youth because they want the votes and these guys are being exploited by the unions and the ANCYL. Who or if anybody has uttered one word of trying to make life comfortable for the old folks, look at some of the other countries how they look after the aged, but in south africa it is all about votes votes votes, old people will be better off dead. We are worthless as old people, we cant even get decent medial attention.

  • iain.mcdougall.16 - 2012-07-02 09:44

    I dont see what all the fuss is about? These idiots voted for this guy in the first place, they now reap what they sow. What we're they expecting? The ANC are an absolute disgrace and the citizens who keep voting them into power deserve what they get. A shoddy, two-bit, corrupt, apathetic, lazy government who only care about themselves.

  • Charms - 2012-07-02 09:52

    How long is it going to take for people to wake up and smell the roses...18 years is a very long time to live with your head in a hole and thinking or hoping that things will come right....Learn from experience, how you vote determines your life. If you are not not happy with something, get rid of it (current government)...Only you can do it!!! If everything fails in this country, there is no running away...people have come down from other African Countries up north, because the same thing happened there, the same as what is happening here now...only problem is...we have nowhere to go...further down...you get the sea...anyone going that way will not fare good. The "Great Whites" there, excuse the pun, dont take in refugees, criminals or disadvantage people...they have them for lunch!!! Either you get over yourselfs and work towards something better for ALL or end up with nothing, stop hating one another, if you have gotten rid of all the whites, what's next...the animals...Oh wait, the goverment has alleady given a free rain on shooting the Rhinos...so I quess we are nicely on our way to become the barren land the ANC has in mind...So please people!! THINK, THINK AND THEN THINK SOME MORE!!!

  • danny.archer.589 - 2012-07-02 10:11

    “[ANC secretary general Gwede] Mantashe himself said you can call this a dog, or a white cat. The name changed, but nothing else in the document changed.” Uhhhh....

  • Gerald - 2012-07-02 11:54

    JZ looking like a blow up doll again! Appropriate that his mouth looks like a poephol

  • leon.fellows.1 - 2012-07-02 11:57

    so i think i will quit my job and get a grant , what idiots. they agreed to take our tax money and give it away to people who will try to look for work , don't these people know the doll does not work. god we going to end up a welfare state. just because the ANC wants to stay in power , its called buying votes. the problem is whoever is going to pic up the pieces after the ANC fuged up the country will have a hard time puuting it back together

  • Kenny - 2012-07-02 12:10

    Ke kopa Zuma a tsamae tuu he's useless he was never presidential material in the first place the man is a HUGE liabity PLease go Zuma GO

  • muruti.malungana - 2012-07-02 12:22

    Zuma

  • mzondistanley - 2012-07-02 13:41

    The Poor Majoerity though without skills do not wait fot skills in orer to feel Hungry!! They are the ones who Vote people into office!! The discussion is Accademic between ANC Aspirants to Leadership because you have Degrees does not mean You are the one People want!! Otherwise people went to fight during the Strugle not because whites and Jaunalists supported the idea No!! ANC stood together and Championed the strugle together!! Mandela was put awy for 25 years for what and by who?? It was merely to weaken ANC!! Be carefull Now under Economic Strugle Many people claim eating together with former Aparthead Managers and sel outs are posing as Leader!! Because they have Economics Degree as a weapon for Good Leadership, NO!!! A Gun in wrong hands can turn into a Murder weapon instead of feeding and Protecting people!! Please Journalists Do not Misuse your Proffesion for Aparthead gains!! Without Economic Empoorment of The Poor Majority Crime can get out of Control!!Already it is too much!! and fueled mostly by Poverity where the Greater Black Poor Majority are on the Receiving End of this Economy where those who have get even more!! and those without even find themselves labouring for Nothing!! Hence Defeating the fight for Freedom and Economic Justice!!!

  • cassius.maziya - 2012-07-02 15:06

    These people are so insatiable, they cant get enough of the tax payer's money.What jobs will the youth seek for without skills? surely they would look for general work which wont get them anywhere. Mugabe is the most greedy president I ever learned of, but I salute him for training his people. Look at how many ZiM people are occupying academic positions in our country! If SA could face a situation like ZIM as it smells; What would majority of the SA youth do in other countries? Sweep the streets? clean the toilets?For me, even the so called RDP houses granted to the youth is nothing but a strategy to sustain their votes. They know that if you open the eyes of the people through academic training, you'll enable them to see your weaknesses and they'll get rid of you.

  • maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-07-02 15:56

    But a grant to job seekers is just another handout. It doesn't a) encourage companies to take on underqualified staff and train them up b) encourage young people to get a job. Now they can all sit at home and get paid to do nothing... It is not sustainable!

  • jan.human - 2012-07-02 16:20

    Nice.... Getting paid to damage state property..... Good thinking....

  • ruben.maistry - 2012-07-02 19:08

    To have a president who cannot rationalise is scarry.Did he consider a backlash? Is this sustainable? What is he teaching the youth?Sustainable by the tax payer, NO!Teaching the youth to beg and when he cannot deliver, if he ever did, to revolt.