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Torture claims disgust FYL

2012-09-09 22:17

Johannesburg - The Friends of the Youth League (FYL) has lashed out after reports that mineworkers were tortured to determine whether Julius Malema incited violence at the Lonmin platinum mine in Marikana.

"We are disgusted by attempts of the state security apparatuses, particularly the badly run, inefficient, and useless national intelligence, to link Julius Malema to the events," said spokesperson Floyd Shivambu in a statement on Sunday.

He said the FYL knew of ministers who were "hell-bent" on linking Malema to the events at Marikana.

On August 16, police fired on striking miners, killing 34 and wounding 78. Another 270 were arrested.

On Sunday, City Press reported that Colonel Nkosana "Killer" Ximba had made the incitement claim to his superiors.

Asked about the alleged torture, he said: "Did you see me there? Go and do an investigation before talking such rubbish".

Ximba has been implicated in the death of Oupa Ramogibe, the love rival of suspended police crime intelligence boss Richard Mdluli. Charges have been withdrawn pending an inquest currently underway.

The City Press report was based on information from two official sources, which claimed standard procedure was not followed when the miners were booked out of their cells.

Assaults

It reported that the state security agency was asked to investigate the incitement claim, but could not verify it.

The Independent Police Investigative Directorate told the newspaper it was probing allegations of police assaults at five police stations, but was not aware of the torture claim.

Shivambu said the involvement of the FYL and Malema in Marikana and other mines, was to represent hope for the people involved and to help find solutions.

"Now attempts by the state, and their rented dogs...are barking all over the media spreading conspiracies and rumours that our involvement in the Marikana events was bought and intended to destabilise the South African government."

He said that the mineworkers were not "fools" and knew who could best represent their interests.

"So attempts to criminalise those who voice workers' interests, will forever fail."

Shivambu also likened the current government to that of the apartheid regime. "Under apartheid, those who were arrested were tortured in an attempt to implicate leaders, and that is exactly what is happening today."

He said the FYL would not stop associating with the struggles of the oppressed people in the country.

Comments
  • duncan.gill1 - 2012-09-09 22:32

    So this is Julius's new organization,he is far more clever then many credit him to be!

      Michael - 2012-09-09 22:44

      How can they be disgusted with rumors that they started themselves?

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-09-09 23:09

      Siyanda The Prophet, how do u know all that? And Malema will be over the age limit of ANCYL membership by then, in case u didn't know.

      farmfreund - 2012-09-10 00:52

      think carefully who is behind all the problems, juju is working for those guys with the funny eyes, when ]the stocks fall the buy the shares for cheap, think about it, but SA intl. services are to bussy fighting who the next leader will be, wake up and see what is happening

      strauss.steven - 2012-09-10 05:52

      the fat boy might not be able to do woodwork but he knows how to instigate.

      iceman196 - 2012-09-10 06:25

      @siyanda, the stupidity of you morons will never cease to amuse or amaze me, do you enjoy having the entire planet see how dumb you really are

      eduard.homes - 2012-09-10 06:58

      I guess everyone is entitled to his own opinion....but please...don’t try to look into the crystal ball. JM is very bad poison (no vision for the future, apart from destroying the country and causing divide….by the way, so just leave him alone…. What characteristics should a leader have?

      zambezi.river - 2012-09-10 11:05

      The CLOWNS are running the CIRCUS!

  • sally.lewitt - 2012-09-09 22:36

    ... I am NOW boycotting this comment feed .. Silence speaks LOUD and CLEAR... On STRIKE!

      iceman196 - 2012-09-10 06:26

      cant spell either, moron

      aeon.lamour - 2012-09-10 08:19

      Khathutshelo... Go back to school and learn how to spell you moron. Oh wait, sorry, you can't go back to school cause you BURNED IT DOWN!

      zambezi.river - 2012-09-10 11:09

      @ Aeon .......that should be burnt!

  • eve.mka - 2012-09-09 22:40

    Juju all the way, my hero

      frankflower - 2012-09-09 22:55

      Your hero is a reincarnation of Hitler, did you know that?

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-09 23:40

      Oh dont make me laugh my butt off!!! Reincarnation of Hitler? Do me a favor dont tell Julie about this or rather tell as i expect him explode with pride and get a heart attack.

      iceman196 - 2012-09-10 06:29

      @frank, are you insane, fatboy is way too stupid to be the reincarnation of hitler, just like his followers on this post

      aeon.lamour - 2012-09-10 08:20

      He's Mugabe's 'mini me'.

  • tobydt - 2012-09-09 22:58

    Julius is my hero too. Single-handedly destroying the ANC and its union affiliate.

      juicecard.tshaka - 2012-09-10 00:37

      @sinudeity, true that, the ANC underestimated him at their own peril

      tobydt - 2012-09-10 06:37

      http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Julius-316-20120824

  • frederikrudolph.vandyk - 2012-09-09 23:04

    The rebellion is on.

  • frankflower - 2012-09-09 23:05

    Bring back Apartheid and separate the informed from the idiots...

      beki.khumalo - 2012-09-10 07:05

      You would love to bring back apartheid would you? I'm sure you miss it you evil bastard! You have no shame!!!

      alan.jerrold - 2012-09-10 09:34

      Beki.K - what I see Frankflower saying (sarcastically) is 'separate the informed from the idiots.' What camp do you put yourself in? Just asking....

      christopher.shining - 2012-09-10 10:21

      its just a joke Bheki...hahahahah hahahah hahahaha hahahahahahaha hahahahah hahahah hahahaha hahahahahahaha...get it? of course you don't. the evil bastards is the anc and its numbskull followers, thats you Bheki.

  • crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-09 23:08

    The propaganda war and preparing the groundwork for accusing the police of torturing Malema and co when the latters ger arrested is taking off. We see it all.

      grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-09-09 23:44

      Your comments are usually intelligent and thought provoking. Had a 'busy' weekend??

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-10 00:02

      Very "busssssy" because the ET's just couldn't get over their excitement that I was so accurately transmitting reality.

  • diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-09 23:48

    What about the evidence of torture, do they have any medical examination of so called victims or is there any proof that those bruises and scratches dont originate from one of their ongoing drunken rumbles? Anyhow, Fatboy is very quick to cover his butt.

      crracker.crackerr - 2012-09-10 00:21

      It is a propaganda preparation that is being implemented. BUT the police MUST take note: Their credibility is not of the highest quality.

      diana.gill.18 - 2012-09-10 01:06

      Yaaawn police are all the same all over the world....

  • patrick.nkosi.39 - 2012-09-09 23:56

    de so called fyl dnt even no abt respect dey alwys critize de leadership of ANC since dey were fired we r tired of u malema

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-10 00:34

    Floyd is just as much of an idiot as Julius! Blah blah blah.

  • brendaanne.anderson - 2012-09-10 00:39

    Mr Shivambu who are you trying to fool ? I quote:" The involvement of the FYL and Malema in Marikana was to represent hope for the people." The truth of the matter is this : - Cyril Ramaphosa was part of the structure of the ANC that upheld its decision to suspend Malema. - He was also the bearer of the bad news. - Malema,himself said that: "the gloves are off" - Ramaphosa is a non executive director of LONMIN mines. - Is it a co-incidence, then, that LONMIN mine was the first to be made "ungovernable" by the FYL ? No Mr Shivambu, Malema and the FYL used the poverty and therefore,vulnerability of these poor miners to achieve their own political agenda and revenge. Your so called "empathy" makes me sick to my stomach. The blood of those people who lost their lives in your politcal game is on your hands.It is descpicable to say the least and what is most disconcerting about this is that the likes of you could well be the leaders of South Africa in the not too distant future. The mind boggles.

  • christopher.collings.9 - 2012-09-10 01:41

    More bs made up by the miners, so typical of our country to simply pass the buck.

  • christopher.collings.9 - 2012-09-10 01:43

    Got 2 laugh @ all the fake alias on news24 easy to be a big mouth behind a fake name. Why not show urselves cowards

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-10 02:01

    Laudable really

  • thando.ramncwana - 2012-09-10 02:06

    Can we not be counted among the failed states of dark Africa!?

  • theunis.bester.5 - 2012-09-10 02:36

    The stupidity of the FYL is the only thing that should disgust them....people this stupid should not be allowed to live and breed and contaminate the human gene pool further....

  • garethchrp - 2012-09-10 02:38

    I live in Canada, let me tell you, if you pick up a knob Kiri (spelling?), Knife, gun, sword or anything else and walk towards a police officer they will warn you once and then shoot for center mass (ie. your chest). It really is a sad day when any human being is killed, however, when you pick up a weapon and walk at another human being (let along a police officer) with the intention to cause them harm, you just threatened that persons life and the consequences are obvious. There is no need for weaponry during the bargaining process, that is why the strike process happens, where the group of unionised employees get to put maximum pressure on the employer. This is labour relations 101, what are the Unions doing? If there is to be any blame placed on what has happened within this whole thing it should be placed squarely on the Unions for failing to educate their members on how a collective bargaining process works.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-09-10 07:11

      I agree. If you bear weapons at a protest and threaten police you should expect the worst. Somone comes at me with a panga and I have a gun....sorry for that person.

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-10 08:06

      The kerrie is the weapon. The knob is the person weilding it.

  • don.mug.3 - 2012-09-10 05:06

    THE MARIKANA 44 ARE AFRICAN HEROES,GVT IS STILL BUSY WITH MALEMA.

      Don.Tandy - 2012-09-10 05:16

      Don, doesn't your backside get jealous of the brown stuff that comes out of your mouth?

      iceman196 - 2012-09-10 06:22

      is that what you call them now, you are dumber than I originally thought, ffs

  • Don.Tandy - 2012-09-10 05:09

    I always thought there could be nothing more stupider or moronic than the ANCYL, and then came along the FYL.

  • Michael - 2012-09-10 05:21

    Feiral Haffegee is still angry with pressure her newspaper received about spear painting, this is compromising news here at news24, because Malema suppoted CP then, he is now friend of the newspaper, we hear everything about him and FYL, she must be fired.

  • wendetutubalang.wende - 2012-09-10 05:22

    Industrial deadlock between employees and employer must be left to this two parties

  • witwolf.digter - 2012-09-10 06:01

    He IS the bad apple. He SHOULD be prosecuted. He's been going on for months about the mines now. It's his "revenge" on the anc for kicking him out.... Lock him up and throw away the key.

  • iceman196 - 2012-09-10 06:21

    stupid a holes, you started this, your wekkers are so gullible that if you told them to jump into the fire they will do it. anyone who listens to you stupid morons deserve what they get

  • mzukisijola.jose1 - 2012-09-10 06:37

    Ngubani obakhatheleleyo uba bathini south africans know what happen in marikana ,malema came after the massacre,thinks to him the hopeless now have a hope

  • mkhindana.peter - 2012-09-10 06:43

    Soon Malema will be regarded as a Hero.His family potrait will eventually be South African's most wanted and we blacks like that and haters better deal with it.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-09-10 07:04

      Malema is a corrupt racist warmongering pig. And thats what you call a hero? And theres the problem with SA folks.

      mokgadi.deborah - 2012-09-10 08:03

      \We blacks\ fake

      alan.jerrold - 2012-09-10 09:38

      Malema is a crook and a hypocrite, mate. And you HAVE to be dumb to actually support him. Can you not see through his self-serving tricks?

  • shauns4700 - 2012-09-10 06:46

    Black people still don't get why there is so litlle \whitys\ struggling under the bread line. When we want raise, we sit down with our \Boss\ and speak it out. We do not run up and down the street and burn house and tires like hooligans!

      beki.khumalo - 2012-09-10 07:00

      I don't think it's skin colour issue though Shaun. It's more an issue of poverty and lack of education. Have you ever tried to debate or reason with an uneducated person? The less educated a person is, the more prone to violence they are. And this is accross all races.

      Themba Patric Sibande - 2012-09-10 07:08

      you speaking nonsense,as we speak now you earn money you are not worth,many whites are foremans without formal education.Blacks are being exploited by the like of you and i wish you house can be burnt so that you can stop talking rubbish.

      Themba Patric Sibande - 2012-09-10 07:14

      Shaun I wonder you think before you talk,my friend said people kill for money and others die for it,and I see from ur stupid comment what he meant,I also think that your lack of education is killing your brains stupid.

      mduduzi.linganisa.7 - 2012-09-10 07:31

      Shaun in Zulu thy say ukuluma uthuvu it means u talkng crap ur bloody agent.da reason y u can negotiate its bks u negotiating wth ur uncle and mina m negotiatng wt ur uncle da opressor who wl gve wat is due 2m and gve it 2u bks u family and u uneducated and m black bt m educated so go 2hell wt wytes tendencies ur illiterate misinformed wyte boy

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-09-10 08:00

      Heh Themba?!?!? What u trying to say?

      alan.jerrold - 2012-09-10 09:40

      Also haven't the foggiest clue what Themba is trying to say. Don't think he does either. Obviously another triumph of ANC education.

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-09-10 10:44

      Themba...it is you who are speaking nonsense because you try to hide your ignorance/anger behind a generalisation. Many people in this country hold positions for which they are underqualified and their skin is any colours you care to mention..and their ethnicity cuts accross the entire range of possibilities. It is because there has always been a shortage of well qualified people in SA and many other countries. BUT, many people are well qualified by world standards and therefore quite rightly expect to earn a salary that matches world standards. And if they do not get such a salary some of them will certainly leave for places that pays them what they deserve. The solution is a massive drive for high quality eductaion for as many people as possible AND a strict measure of qualification for positions. This will take several decades, in the meantime it would be a dissaster if the infrastructure and economy needed to support such a massive education and upliftment drive is destroyed by people demanding more before they have qualified for and earned.

  • crossleyauto - 2012-09-10 06:49

    Land issue

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-09-10 06:55

    Malema came after the fact! It's unreasponsible for Zuma and his crew to try and blame this on Malema instead of addressing the real issues. They are actual giving Malema more credit than he deserves. Deal with the issues that affect the workers Zuma and Gwede and stop looking to blame everyone for inability to lead. If you're not blaming Malema, then you're blaming apartheid! Deliver for Pete's sake, that's what you promised! Zuma was voted in because he claimed Mbeki had forgotten about the poor and the workers, and he promised to make them his top priorities. However, since he came in protests have sky rocketed! And just like pre-Polokwane when he blamed Mbeki for trying to oust him, he's blaming Malema for trying to oust him. In Mangaung you are out Zuma!

  • emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-09-10 07:03

    friends of the youth league are grabbing at straws

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-10 07:07

    What the hell, we have already shut the farms so why not the mines? Greedy miners can join the ranks of parking lot attendants and traffic light beggars, they make good money. We want to destroy this country and will only be happy when we have done so. Burn the schools, trash the textbooks, have lots of wives and babies. FYL is only Juju trying to stay in the spotlight. This whole lot are rotten to the core. We want to be like Zimbabwe looking to someone else for a bailout when we have destroyed everything. Comrade scum.

  • mbusi.t.nzimande - 2012-09-10 07:53

    Sometimes you wonder if reading the news in this country is beneficial at all,forever stories of corruption and dirty political shenanigans,I mean,an alleged murderer still holding rank as a colonel-with an emberrassing set of media address skills-How discouraging.

  • mokgadi.deborah - 2012-09-10 08:04

    Who are they by the way?

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-09-10 08:14

    YES, yes, unproven allegations, responding rhetoric, mindless drivel....all disgusting. Idiots, wait until we have reasonable assurance of whatactually happened before making inflamatory comments. If we ever get to know in this repressive, criminal society!

  • marc.klynhans - 2012-09-10 08:54

    FYL - F*** Your Life.

  • sifiso.msimango - 2012-09-10 11:45

    FYL must be officially launched as opposition party and stop going around talking rubbish under the name friends

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