Violent protests a dangerous trend - ANC

2011-09-07 12:42

Johannesburg - The tendency of "certain ANC members" resorting to violent protests to challenge decisions has reached unprecedented levels, the party said on Wednesday.

"Last week's violence outside Luthuli House is part of this dangerous trend," ANC Gauteng secretary David Makhura said in Johannesburg.

"We strongly condemn the violence and anarchy that took place. It could have been prevented within the organisation."

He said the party's leadership needed to be consistent and decisive in dealing with the "corrosive practice without fear or favour".

Through discussion with youth league members in the province, the party found that ANC Youth League members were involved in the violence. Those identified as being part of the crowd would face disciplinary action.

Undermines internal processes

"It is wrong for ANC members to sort out things in a way that undermines internal processes," said Makhura.

The branch would continue discussing the matter with its youth wing.

Makhura was unable to say who bussed in supporters. Last Tuesday, running battles broke out on the streets surrounding Luthuli House during a disciplinary hearing of ANC Youth League leader Julius Malema.

Branch members and supporters pelted journalists and police with rocks and bricks, resulting in several people being injured, and burned images of President Jacob Zuma.

Makhura said similar "tendencies" erupted during the election list process when ANC meetings were disrupted, and offices forcefully occupied, or even burnt down.

"You can't mobilise against decisions... discipline in our provinces continues to be an ongoing issue," he said.

  • Heidi - 2011-09-07 12:46

    You will reap what you sow!

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-07 13:05

      Actually its a good thing. They most certainly are reaping what they sow so carry on voting ANC and get what you deserve !

      willieman - 2011-09-07 13:10

      Agreed ,i think all along they were blind.They need to tell COSATU to behave

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-07 13:12

      toothless... it doesn't help saying something that has no evidence to back it up... by doing this it just justifies the antithesis to your argument.

      GypseyAnn - 2011-09-07 13:19

      @ Toothless - you are a moron!

      Gary - 2011-09-07 13:21

      @ toothless, how many "whites" did you see turning over dust bins and throwing stones at journalists, in support of Malema

      Komasa - 2011-09-07 13:41

      @ Tootthless you are on your own on this one.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-07 13:44

      Lost your tooth in a fight or a passion gap? Probably the former.

      JohnnyBB - 2011-09-07 14:08

      ...protestors = uncivilised barbarians....

      P-JB - 2011-09-07 14:24

      Toothless, YOU ARE AN ABSOLUTE MORON. Do you operate your PC on your own, or do you have someone do it for you. I doubt you have the brain capacity to do anything useful on this planet.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-07 14:57

      - The Anc need look no further than their inept governance and broken promises for the causes. Trouble for them is they trained their people too well during the apartheid days and now they're not enjoying the taste of their own medicine. I have no sympathy for them.

      onetickie - 2011-09-08 14:52

      A trend the ANC started. You reap what you sow.

  • sillas.cilliers - 2011-09-07 12:48

    Funny how you spot a trend by started by your own Youth League

      sganja - 2011-09-07 12:52

      No is Cosatu...

      braveheart - 2011-09-07 13:02

      Sganja I am glad that you share your opinion with us. Hopefully you read our reponses as well. We can move forward, but only if we can manage to change primitive minds. And if we STOP BLAMING other.

      sganja - 2011-09-07 13:11

      braveheart I agree and I always read comments from fellow news 24 users.

      Komasa - 2011-09-07 13:44

      @braveheart we cannot move on when you use terms like 'primitive minds'.

      Oryx_ZA - 2011-09-07 13:50

      More funny if you consider that the ANC used protests as one of their main weapons against apartheid. So; Trying to suppress public opposition NATS- (TICK) ANC- (TICK) Trying to regulate press freedom so that Government is able to control what is reported NATS - (TICK) ANC- (TICK) Introduction of law that favors a certain demographics in terms of housing grants, jobs and investment opportunities NATS - (TICK) ANC - (TICK) So glad to see that times have certainly changes. For one....our flag has

      Ozymandios - 2011-09-07 13:55

      @ Komasa would Empty Minds be more appropriate? Yes I think that is much more applicable in your case. Or shall we say Hollow Minds sort of attached to Empty Barrels make the most noise!!!!!

  • DW - 2011-09-07 12:48

    I've said it before and I will say it again - the ANC taught their people how to protest violently back in the days of apartheid. Now they dont like it when the very same people protest violently against their party. You cannot have it both ways. Either violent protest is an acceptable way to get what you want, or it is not. Personally I think it is not, but I have always had that view. The ANC party is hypocritical if they now hold these violent protests against the ANCYL.

      sganja - 2011-09-07 12:55

      DW I was not here during apartheid and no one tought me to protest violently, but as usual there are things that provoke people,Police is one of them.

      Nepster10 - 2011-09-07 12:59

      It might have been necessary during apartheid. Force had to be used to fight the evil regime back then, i mean more like fighting Gaddafi. Had they not done so where would they be. Was the apartheid regime going to listen to them if the had protested peacefully, NO.

      Dayat Atime - 2011-09-07 13:13

      Ironically I sit here in an office with several people that instead of violently protesting with their fellows embraced the Bantu Education system and empowered themselves to be not only my equals but my superiors in the workplace

      tonno - 2011-09-07 13:18

      @DW - dude, you can't even begin to compare the protests of then with now. They had no choice back then. It is not hypocritical to condemn violence now.

      GypseyAnn - 2011-09-07 13:21

      @ sganja - clearly you were not TAUGHT well nor how to use English correctly. Are you employed?

      Gary - 2011-09-07 13:23

      violence is NEVER necessary, no matter the situation, only ever makes everything worse

      GH - 2011-09-07 13:24

      Actually it's just the African way. They are good at burning & fighting. Look at the whole of Africa. They did not build one significant thing in 2000 years.

      DW - 2011-09-07 13:26

      Once again you all think that the violence is what changed the apartheid regime. It was not, and the more you think that it did, the more it shows your lack of understanding. The white people got fed up with being the pariahs of the world. They got tired of sanctions, oil and arms embargoes etc. They also realised that the whole system was wrong. Communism collapsed worldwide and was no longer considered a threat. And THEN the whites voted in a referendum to open democracy to everyone in South Africa. The puny violent uprisings were so easily quelled by the SADF. Umkonte we sizwe was nothing more than a wet fart. And you think that is what resulted in the change. It did not. It is time you realised it.

      Vikash - 2011-09-07 13:38

      Yup, well said, DW! Live by protest, die by protest ;-)

      tonno - 2011-09-07 13:38

      @DW - why do you think there were sanctions, etc? It's because the blacks fought against apartheid and the world took notice of what was going on. If they didn't do anything, the rest of the world wouldn't have been aware. The whites only voted in a referendum because they had no choice. South Africa was considered an outcast to the rest of the world. You really believe the boere gave it all up out of the goodness of their own heart? Muppet.

      DW - 2011-09-07 13:38

      Concerned, I never once said that apartheid was cool or acceptable. You put words in my mouth. What I am saying is that violent protests are unacceptable ways to get what you want. They were unacceptable back then, and they are unacceptable now. I also dont think violence of boers was acceptable, so please dont make assumptions on what I think. When I was at school if someone wrote on the back of a toilet door, that was seen as vandalism and was severely punishable. Nowadays, if you are unhappy with school or university fees, you can smash windows, toilets and basins, overturn dustbins and set the place alight. Sorry, but as far as I am concerned that is barbaric and unacceptable behaviour. Who taught you that it is acceptable? I will tell you who. The ANC.

      Advocate - 2011-09-07 13:46

      DW,I agree. The ANC created this monster and now they cant tame it.

      tonno - 2011-09-07 13:47

      @DW - what choice did the blacks have back in the apartheid days but to protest. If they didn't, apartheid would still exist. They fought back. They had every right to. All sorts of unthinkable atrocities were happening against them. You're a brainwashed fool.

      DW - 2011-09-07 13:47

      tonno, the sanctions came about because of the ANC's approaches to governments OUTSIDE of South Africa. They certainly did not happen because of the violence inside South Africa. I am fully aware that sanctions were because blacks fought against apartheid. And they were very, very effective. Why do you think we want our government to impose sanctions against Mugabe? Because they work, that is why. Stop giving him electricity for free. Freeze his assets in SA (like the rest of the world has). Make him a pariah in Africa as well as the West. When he has no more friends (like what happened in the days of apartheid) he will give up. You dont need to go into his country and bomb him. Just isolate him, refuse to send him any help in any way, and his own people (including those who currently support him) will simply kick him out. THAT (amongst other reasons) is what changed the minds of white South Africans - NOT the violence. The violence actually harmed the cause and it took longer than it should have, as whites were not happy to hand over power to a bunch of barbarians. Sorry if that is an inconvenient truth.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-07 13:51

      I am with DW, it also does not help when leaders sing liberation songs or to bring machine guns, someone might do it.

      Komasa - 2011-09-07 13:57

      @GypseyAnn how many languages do you speak, the relentless comments regards our grammar and spelling, and reference to our intellect is a reflection of your own lack of education. We will not be coerced into communicating only in english and that goes for all who have grown up with an indigenous language as their home language.

      Badger - 2011-09-07 14:08

      @ganja. Did you expect that the Police must turn the other cheek when stoned? Sounds like you were part of the violent protest.

      Gary - 2011-09-07 15:15

      @tonno, yeah the old regime were outcasts, because unlike the Americans and there native Indians, Australia and the Aborigines, hey even Germany and the Jews, instead of just killing those who the regime didnt like,they seperated themselves and gave it a name, if you would have rather gone the other route. It was a choice of a good man (being FW) to start new, and get rid of the disaster of apartheid.

      Slartibartfast - 2011-09-07 15:34

      Shhhttt ... its a secret DW!!! We WANT the ANC to do this.

      GregandShaz - 2011-09-07 16:23

      The big wheel turns hey...what you give you its their time to get back what they gave

  • Vullis - 2011-09-07 12:49

    The Irony of some people..."is part of this dangerous trend,"

  • fraidycat - 2011-09-07 12:50

    So please STOP/CEASE all your impossible promises, which you know is humanly impossible to achieve. Rather tell the poeple how long they still have to wait until the money/goods/promises start trickling down to them, after you have had your noses in the trough! Don't sound so surprised ANC, this is your monster - different now that you are on the receiving end???

  • DeathDealer - 2011-09-07 12:52

    Eish, you think ?

  • sganja - 2011-09-07 12:52

    Let it go Anc,Always condemning.If Anc was serious with internal matters it should have withdrawn the charges.

      Thor - 2011-09-07 13:10


      MojoBa - 2011-09-07 13:42

      But Malema is no longer an internal matter. He is an international embarrassment. If his supporters cannot see that, we have bigger problems than we thought

      MojoBa - 2011-09-07 13:45

      @sganja - do you think it is by pure chance that the whole of Africa is a big mess???? What's the common denominator???

      sganja - 2011-09-07 13:50

      @MojoBa Even if Malema can be so popular but Anc rules do not change, the DC is an internal matter. No I don't think Africa is a big mess...

      Vullis - 2011-09-07 14:08

      next thing you know, they are going to investigate again

      sganja - 2011-09-07 14:13

      @Vullis yes as usual

      Strange - 2011-09-07 14:14

      @sganja - Africa not a big mess? You must be demented! On the other hand whats normal for some is abnormal for others.

      Mark Singh - 2011-09-07 15:44

      sganja, the only reason you think Africa is not is a mess is because you set very low standards for yourself. You practically drowning yourself in mediocrity. Open your eyes, ANC is killing your'll.

      gatvol4corru - 2011-09-07 17:52

      hell,you are indeed very limited

      Kenko - 2011-09-08 08:00

      Not just investigate Vullis, they will appoint a commission costing millions.

  • daaivark - 2011-09-07 12:53

    "Last week's violence outside Luthuli House is part of this dangerous trend" NO. Really. What a lightbulb moment. You overpaid slugs really have the art of stating the obvious down pat.

      DW - 2011-09-07 14:14

      Agreed daaivark. It is part of a dangerous trend, but it is certainly not a new trend

  • SabaticalG - 2011-09-07 12:53


  • Sit-hole - 2011-09-07 12:54

    Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma says South African prisons are full of black faces because black people in South Africa have no opportunities. Answer is clear, prisons are full not because of acts of rioting & violent crime but lack of opportunities. I think zuma's head is in zuma's rectom.

      k1dbl4ck - 2011-09-07 13:15

      thats funny. concerning the last 8 jobs i applied for, a black guy always got it instead of me. thanks BEE. No opportunity my ass.

  • Ho - 2011-09-07 12:55

    I'm not sure why this idiot deems it a corrosive practice...the ANC has long practised the mantra "Make the townships ungovernable" Having inculcated this practice amoung their followers, they now deem it a corrosive practice...! As you sow, so shall you reap....

  • CraigColinRoyMcLeod - 2011-09-07 12:57

    Two things, one you started this, so you reap what you sow. And secondly dear rulers, in case you missed it this is how African Governance works, you will be over thrown with a worse tyrant that tyrant will be over thrown again via a civil war. And so on and so forth, Africa always goes one way.

  • handicap - 2011-09-07 12:58

    “How can you frighten a man whose hunger is not only in his own cramped stomach but in the wretched bellies of his children? You can't scare him – he has known a fear beyond every other.” “And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulates in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. And the little screaming fact that sounds through all history: repression works only to strengthen and knit the repressed.” — The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck

      Kenko - 2011-09-08 08:10

      @Handicap - It sounds ominous and must me true and it's downright scary. But what should the "haves" do? Dish out their belongings and go live in a squatter camp? Remember, the repressed also have a hand in their situation. Unchecked breeding and an inherited resistance to learning is the first obstacle they should overcome. I am not rich and I am not poor, but if I had 9 children I would be poor.

  • Wayne - 2011-09-07 12:58

    The longer this new 'democracy' is in power, the more violent South African society becomes. What is next?

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-09-07 12:59

    Many words could describe the trend of violent protest, but "unprecedented" is not one of them. The precedent is well-established in the history of ANC actions. "Consistent" and "decisive" are also words easily spoken, but apparently it is a bridge too far to expect the talk to be matched by the walk. One is tempted to believe that a parrot has more understanding of the meaning of the words it utters than that displayed by the ANC spokespeople.

  • IC1 - 2011-09-07 13:02

    So is the lack of thought and leadership in the ANC&YL dangerous. Wasn't a problem when JZ was being tried in court and when he deposed thatother idiot Mbeki

      sganja - 2011-09-07 13:12

      IC1 you can ask again

  • handicap - 2011-09-07 13:03

    I will leave you with these words from the novel— The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck -You decide whether these people are criminals or hungry, but the incidents are on the rise! “How can you frighten a man whose hunger is not only in his own cramped stomach but in the wretched bellies of his children? You can't scare him – he has known a fear beyond every other.” “And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulates in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. And the little screaming fact that sounds through all history: repression works only to strengthen and knit the repressed.”

      proudly - 2011-09-07 13:50

      Very true, only problem now is the repressed are being repressed by their own inability to create wealth for themselves

      Derek - 2011-09-07 14:15

      hmmm..... Sounds like you are a land "restitution" advocate. Government pays farmers for their mango farm and hand it over the the claimants who chop the fruit trees down for fire wood and a year later are in the same position they were in before. Ever heard the saying; give man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach him how to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. The ANC government is doing neither, they are taking the net from the fisherman and giving it to the man that does not know how to use it. The result: everyone goes hungry.

      P-JB - 2011-09-07 14:44

      to 'handicap' The only thing the “repressed” know how to do in this country (and Africa) is take. The “repressed” can ALL have a piece of the cake once they learn to get off their asses and become useful members of society that contribute to economic development. The “repressed” must work hard, study hard and then work even harder if they want to claim to “deserve” anything.

      Derek - 2011-09-07 14:54

      The same man who has 6 or more children even though he is poverty sticken i.e. Somalia, and those starving chidren will grow up and each have 6 or more children etc,etc, and the population of the country explodes, and there are more people and less resources and so it goes. What is our population compared to 25 years ago? Therein lies the worlds ( or should I say 3rd world's) problem1

  • Audi - 2011-09-07 13:03

    I strongly condone the violence that took place during these protests but perhaps if the ruling party stop lining their own pockets with our tax monies and instead apply it where it was intended there would be no reason for any form of protest.

      Strange - 2011-09-07 13:37

      @Audi - Are you sure that you "condone" (approve of /overlook / excuse / forgive / pardon / tolerate) the violance? If so "WOW". Violance is not the answer - dedication to getting an education / inovative thinking / morals etc in this lies the answer. I don't think that the ANC never contemplated that they will have to use force against their own people.

      Derek - 2011-09-07 14:56


  • Benign - 2011-09-07 13:19

    Coming from the masters of violence and violent protests - the chickens have truly come home to roost.The ANC have stuffed this country up good and solid - so stew in your own juices.

  • jjhvan - 2011-09-07 13:19

    You taught them well.

  • proudly - 2011-09-07 13:24

    This trend will unfortunately continue as long as there are no new jobs created. Unfortunately the black youth have learnt from their parents to wait for someone or something to happen, rather than starting/creating something by themselves. Most white businesses have now been saturated, and the youth can see there are no more jobs, result, more violent protests ahead!

  • Terminusest - 2011-09-07 13:27

    I wonder where this type of behavior started? I distinctly remember large mobs of unruly rioters outside the Pietermaritzburg courts when JZ783 was on trial for multiple corruption charges. When it is OK for your corrupt president, it should be OK for everyone else, not true? And to show how effective it is, JZ got off without a trial, and there is a new head of the NPA appointed because he was willing to let all charges get dropped. Thus, rioting in support of corruption = thieving ANC parasites staying in power. So far nothing wrong with the logic, so why the moaning?

  • PikeLee - 2011-09-07 13:41

  • braamc - 2011-09-07 13:44

    Old news, what ever

  • DaveS - 2011-09-07 13:44

    Amazing - this is what the ANC taught their followers years ago - to be disrutptive. Now it is in their nature and the ANC is not happy because it is being used against them!

  • Gedoente - 2011-09-07 13:46

    Toothless may very well be a white man making sarcastic comments about blacks and all the white people on this forum is dissing him. If this is indeed the case he may very well be very amused right about now. I know I am

  • Sisie - 2011-09-07 13:49

    Why is it such a surprise - they have learnt from the best. You toyi-toyied in 1994, and you show your distaste for anything that the smells of previous by your so called actions. You think that because you have stolen almost everything that is not nailed down it is your right to violence and to destroy. Why is that - is it because you are black?

  • Obvious - 2011-09-07 13:49

    It's obvious that the YL is using "scare tactics" to try and intimidate the ANC. Like a child throwing a tantrum (in their case throwing rocks). The youth is yet to learn that playing with fire (burning Zuma shirts) will get there fingers burned.

  • psydomx - 2011-09-07 13:50

    If you buy votes with shallow promises , this is what you get LIVE WITH IT, ITS JUST THE BEGINNING!

  • Johan - 2011-09-07 13:52

    Indeed - " you will reap what you sow"

  • Talitha Taljaard - 2011-09-07 13:54

    Violent protests will stop when people actually start getting arrested and thrown into jail! But right now they're getting away with it, so they keep on doing it and escalating the violence every time.

      Tolerant - 2011-09-07 13:56

      I agree, but our prisons are full. We need to build a few more.

      Dazbo - 2011-09-07 14:27

      This may well be true in the short term but will prove to be fruitless in the long term. There are multiple reasons why the people of SA are protesting, whether they be peaceful or violent. Address the root causes of the issues and eradicate them...There should then be no reason to protest. The whites have many issues which they feel are having a negative impact on them and so do the blacks. Some of these perceived issues may be totally valid or misguided (makes no difference). if they're not addressed then nothing will ever change.

  • leon.alhadeff - 2011-09-07 13:58

    HUH! WTF....\\\\\\\\\have we forgotten the Pietermaritzburg trial have we forgotten POLOKWANE. I agree with Mbeki's brother, the ANC have lost their intellectuals and this has left a useless bunch who rely on the uneducated, unemployed and easily influenced youth to give them the numbers to achieve any issue put to vote. If it is not put to vote, then the demonstrate, march and cause absolute havoc. This element is not new, it was controllable in the past. Now the question begs, who is actually wagging the tail.

  • Hubbles - 2011-09-07 14:03

    Toothless, number one i dont believe you are black. Number 2 your logic defies

  • Badger - 2011-09-07 14:03

    I must say that the ancircus is extremely intelligent to have figured out that violent protests is a dangerous trend!!! It took some time to come to this very complicated conclusion. Hahaha bunch of clowns. Do not cry now because you (anc) taught them to be violent, what did you expect?

  • Nintendo - 2011-09-07 14:06

    violence begets violence this country was shaped/built on violence long before 1994, we are a violent society that's suffering from some sort of post traumatic stress.....

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-09-07 14:31

      More like intra-traumatic stress. I live for the day the trauma is behind us.

  • Mart - 2011-09-07 14:07

    Common ANC...even the really thick kids in Std 1 know that. Moreover, they are your spawns that are running amok and typically you have absolutely know idea how to sort it out do you ! And you bunch of self serving puppets, this trend started a very long time ago, at your insistence when you thrust your school children into the frontline to be massacred.

  • Free Man - 2011-09-07 14:14

    Go and listen to this man!

  • Darwinian - 2011-09-07 14:44

    but...but it is your legacy!!!

  • JohanDuToit - 2011-09-07 15:15

    don't complain ANC. you failed to deliver on what you promised. so you will reap what you sow.

  • Sage - 2011-09-07 15:34

    An incompetent regime like the ANC is just as dangerous, perhaps even more so as it spawns violent protests which are very dangerous. Libya, Syria and Egypt are all examples that we need to take heed of, especially those members of an inept regime! (like ours, some would say!)

  • stefventerza - 2011-09-07 15:35

    face disciplinary action its ass, That will not do much. Lock them out and remove them from the people that is trying to do good. They are criminals in the way they acted and they say disciplinary action. Lets see what happens in the future if these actions did indeed helped. Same as actions tofight crimes such as murders, Our rate is still 13 000 for a year, with the new action plans and all.

  • Anonymous Thinker - 2011-09-07 15:38

    Violent protests are learned begaviour. Gov doesn't do anything for the people until violent protests take place. Then suddenly something gets done.

  • John D - 2011-09-07 15:53

    This is just a straight fight between democracy and anarchy, for all our sakes lets hope that democracy prevails.

  • Faith N. Kobo - 2011-09-07 15:53

    Can someone tell me what the role of the ANC Youth League is? It's apparent that it has nothing to do with shaping tomorrow's leaders considering the recent events.

  • Faith N. Kobo - 2011-09-07 15:56

    I'd also like to know what else does the Women's League do besides dancing outside court when an ANC member is being tried for their "alleged" crimes...and besides showing up at some ANC member's burial. I'm sure the intention was not to make this body a burial society...

  • Faith N. Kobo - 2011-09-07 15:57

    With the evident lack of discipline in the YL one has to wonder if the mothers of the WL have stopped caring...with reasons ofcourse.

  • MAWEMAWE - 2011-09-07 16:16

    the role of ancyl among others is to speak the things that the motherbody wont say,ancyl call spade a spade, r u answered now?

  • African'shtr - 2011-09-07 16:17

    then deliver and see if the will be any voilences again

  • Hectic - 2011-09-07 16:25

    All those voting for the ANC get what they deserve - NIKS

  • handicap - 2011-09-07 16:31

    To Derek -What I am trying to say is that if government does not do something to uplift the poor and not enrich themselves-workable solution -not land restitution -we will end up like the rest of Africa -poorer! -we stand too loose everything -land, jobs, etc etc -the people that do not have anything to loose don't care!

      Hectic - 2011-09-07 16:37

      Handicap, well put, you are so right - wish other people could see the truth.