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We're failing our children, DA says

2012-04-26 22:12

Johannesburg - South African society was failing its children, the DA said on Thursday, following the rape and assault of an 8-year-old girl in Gingindlovu, KwaZulu-Natal.

"We are simply failing our children as a nation," Democratic Alliance spokesperson on women, children and people with disabilities Helen Lamoela said.

The girl was raped, bitten, and had an eye gouged out on Monday.

In a statement Lamoela said a string of rapes against vulnerable people has made headlines this week.

"Barely a week ago, we heard of the brutal gang-rape of a young mentally disabled girl in Soweto by seven young men.

"We need to interrogate the concept of masculinity and re-frame the role of boys and men so that they can become model men, fathers, husbands, brothers and uncles."

In another case, two girls, aged 17 and 18, appeared in a Soweto court on Monday in connection with the rape of a 17-year-old mentally ill boy.

Lamoela said the DA in Gauteng had already called for special rape courts, and she believed it should be made a national priority.

A 15-year-old boy appeared in the Gingindlovu Periodical Court on Thursday in connection with the crime. He was released into the custody of his parents.

On Wednesday KwaZulu-Natal police spokesperson Captain Thulane Zwane said the girl's attacker dragged her into a sugarcane field next to her home, where her grandmother was waiting for her to get back from school.

"The 8-year-old victim could barely walk, but managed to drag herself into the yard in front of her house before collapsing. She was dressed in her school uniform and was dishevelled and dirty."

The girl was taken to a clinic, and from there to a hospital.

"He gouged her left eye out of the socket, and tried but failed with the right eye, which was left swollen shut. She was bleeding profusely from both eyes," said Zwane.

"The suspect also bit her on the neck, raped her and left her lying helplessly on the ground." There was also an attempt to strangle her.

Gingindlovu is about 60km south-east of Richard's Bay.

Comments
  • Johana - 2012-04-26 22:21

    Hypocrites. Empty talk. Where is call for return of the death sentence?

      henk63 - 2012-04-27 08:20

      Exactly Johana. when I grew up rape was a capital crime, punishable by death. Now, rape and murder is deemed just another willy-nilly crime and the perps are barely admonished. The only thing that would prevent these crimes are FEAR - FEAR OF DEATH! Speeches about family values, roles, masculinity and social structures will bring us nowhere.

  • Mxeki - 2012-04-26 22:35

    South Africa has already been declared a \Rape Capital of the World\ by Interpol.

  • maresavdw - 2012-04-26 22:35

    the government will have to clean up as well - how can you expect ppl to behave lawfully when most of the government just goes on as they feel fit without any retribution - and even if there is some form of retribution it seems more like a party than anything else

  • ricardo.a.pieterse - 2012-04-26 22:35

    Hmmm! I just cant understand we all have something to say to these serious issues but no one, no one have come up with a brilliant plan or suggestion how to break the barrier to combat these situations. \r\nThe DA, like usual are the front runners on pointing fingers left right and centre but never did they come up with strategies how to help never.\r\n\r\nThey just moan and complain with the rest of society without plans. Im not againts them or critisie them but do blame them with the ANC because the both failed us. The national leaders dont understand the youth of South Africa.\r\n\r\nThey dont know what we realy need and how to work with us.\r\n\r\nI Ricardo Pieterse wrote on my own capaciy.

      John - 2012-04-27 03:43

      Fool, did you even read the article above? No you didn't you just dove straight in to point fingers yourself. Instead of practicing your stupid r\n\r\n\comments. Read and digest what the DA DA DA not your useless cANCer called for! Could you please enlighten me as to what this r\n\r\n\represents? perhaps it's your results in an English exam?

      goyougoodthing - 2012-04-27 10:05

      At least the leader of the DA isn't a rapist, unlike some other parties.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-27 17:06

      The youth must be disciplined by parents, it's their duty after bringing a child into the world to give their kids support and love, fill them with confidence that the youth will excel in education and have a inner ambition that will encourage them to become successful....once this is achieved, the youth will be motivated to be career minded.... should the youth be ill disciplined with no direction....then their idle minds 90% of the time will turn to experimenting with sex.....RAPE THEN BECOMES A HABIT..WHICH THEY GET AWAY WITH. This is not an ANC or DA A PROBLEM to solve....but a society and parents problem..PARENTS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.

  • Jakobus Van Deventer - 2012-04-26 22:40

    Bring back the death penalty. Nothing more to say.

  • Cassandra Olivier - 2012-04-26 22:54

    bring back the death penalty and corporal punishment

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 00:13

    Government has failed the people, the people have failed their children. If neither people nor children have sound trustworthy role models on whom to build their lives what do they have? Nothing but disappointment and disillusion. You can't put a child to death for committing the same crime as that of the prez - now can you? Imagine how confused that kid must be. The prez did it - and even joked about it - as did Malema. Now he's done it and the world has fallen in his head. Please do not misunderstand me. My heart goes out to his victim. He has destroyed her life, her future and her trust in mankind. No 8 year old should ever have to go through that. But ... What did he see or experience that made him do that? Is he exposed to sex acts in the home or with his friends? Is he free to watch porn on his computer or cellphone? What if he believes that it's ok because the prez did it and got away with it? There is a line of responsible adults that should bear the brunt of this boys actions before he gets the chop.

      Mduduzi Majola - 2012-04-27 01:41

      children do fall victims to their parents negative behavior ! but how can we eliminate the problem if we keep on bloging instead of fighting the root cause of this terrible reality in our society?

      henk63 - 2012-04-27 08:28

      Mduduzi, what would you say is the root cause and how do you propose to fight it? To me the root cause is the barbarian nature of the perpetrators, and the solution is permanent removal from society by death. Anything else come to mind?

  • Nikki Bodenstein - 2012-04-27 00:48

    Upbringing is the problem! Bring up your kids properly and instill decent values and morals in them. You won't have this kind of problem.

  • Robin - 2012-04-27 01:11

    And he is released into the custody of his parents? How crass s an animal and should be treated as such.

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-04-27 03:11

    i agree 1000% with you guys its digussting and apalling

  • Ntombi - 2012-04-27 04:09

    John B and Goerg...have you guys seen Khayelitsha and all the other Townships here in Cape Town? the DA is only running one province but they have failed dissimally as a party. The gap between the rich and the poor is too shocking here in Cape Town but I guess you wouldn't know because you're having a nice time in a big house while others are crowded with no space to breath in Townships. The only decent thing to do would be to at least have municipal by laws that regulate township dwellers. What is this thing of people building shacks right next to pavements?what is the DA doing because clearly this is a safety hazzard. These people should go to KZN and see how municipal by laws can actually be to the people's advantage. Especially the most vulnerable in society.

      Tony - 2012-04-27 04:41

      I am in KZN .... Its not good here, and as for those township dwellers, some great people have worked their way out and live in those big houses too. Guilt tripping is so 90s, even the ANC couldn't give a hoot about the townships anymore, hence service delivery protests. But you "guess" that all people from the suburbs wouldn't know?

      henk63 - 2012-04-27 08:38

      I guess they are not too vulnerable to breed hey? A really effective government would actually punish people who breed while they can't provide, not reward and handle them with kid gloves.

      Nigel - 2012-04-27 09:55

      Please Ntombi, don't try make this a political thing against the DA, there are townships all over the country, they are all shocking, the gap between the Rich & poor is also in Brazil, Indonesia, India, Russia, Eastern Europe, China, Singapore, you name it, get on a plane & go see for yourself, the solution reducing the wealth gap is to EDUCATE the people, don't come here & tell me the ANC is doing this, wake up & stop being a hypocrite, besides the DA is trying to stimulate the WC economy to create jobs for the poor in the townships, but who is blocking it, yes they ANC bastards, Cosatu & Tony Hypocirte Erinreich.

      henk63 - 2012-04-27 11:01

      @Kensong, a country cannot be rich by itself. It can have resources which could be extracted and developed, which South Africa has, but it is not possible to share the wealth created with everybody. If no-one is able or willing to make the effort to create wealth, the country is poor. I once read that in South Africa we have only some 3500 real creators of wealth. The rest are consumers who only recycle money, from which the Government take a share on every transaction. We have 6 million taxpayers in the country, supporting a thieving government who supply over 13 million people with social grants in turn for their votes. Does this picture look pretty? I think not. To top it off, the 13 million grantees are the most prolific breeders in the country, making more and more parasites each day. The money will always be in the hands of those who know how to create wealth. We are interfering with nature's balance by keeping the "cannots" alive, and something has to give.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 11:03

      Ntombi do you perhaps have figures that illustrate the levels of crime in CapeTown as compared with Gauteng? Every country in the world has poor people and rich people, but not all the poor communities in the world rape and murder their own children or other peoples children. Is there the same level of rape and murder in the squatter camps in the cape? I ask this because I don't know the answers. There may be no difference, but if there is a difference, if the level of serious crime is lower, maybe we have some answers ...

      Jacqui - 2012-04-27 12:45

      Ntombi, yes, do go ahead with your old rantings against the DA. Since when is it the duty of a political party to teach values? Since when should they hold your hand for the rest of your life?. It is the duty of everyone, rich and poor, educated or not, to make something of their lives. So stop blaming others and start cleaning up. Start somewhere and maybe those around you will follow and stop moaning for goodness sake.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-27 12:49

      Kensong so breeding like flies is fine by you?. Holding up your hands for a financial handout is fine by you?. Where do you think the riches of this country come from?. It comes from people that WORK, and I bet that is not fine by you.

  • Tony - 2012-04-27 04:36

    We ARE a failed state. The electorate majority continues to vote for a a corrupt racist ANC, and ... Like ZANU in Zim, they will continue until they either loose everything or become refugees, ..... This is the African way ..See also Mozambique, Rawanda, Kenya, Liberia to name but a few. Further evidence of this the recent by elections. The ANC guy is corrupt, is ejected, and the dumb asss voters vote ANC again ???

      Thami - 2012-04-27 09:53

      But ZANU in Zim is a shining example of what a party should do for the electorate.

  • alan.erwin1 - 2012-04-27 07:16

    The people and the so called culture will never change, give them freedom and what you see is what you get. Free a wild dog and someone will get bit, free a sick culture and the rest speaks for its self

      Sage Mbongo - 2012-04-27 07:38

      culture has nothing to do with this... the fact is these kids are just sick and need help which they not getting

      alan.erwin1 - 2012-04-27 08:28

      Sage Mbongo - WAKE UP - Muti and the use of human body parts Human body parts are used in muti to support the belief that regular muti medicine will be more effective if human body parts are involved. The body parts are often taken from live victims. This is because it is believed that the screams of victims being hacked enhances the potency of the medicine.3 Muti victims are mostly children and most recently in East Africa, persons with albinism. Body parts of muti victims are not only traded locally, but are also often transported across borders of various countries where there is demand CULTURE Cruel barbaric and sick. You will never change these people and if you see/hear your father rape and beat your mother while you sit outside your tin hut, you will grow up thinking that it is the way of things. WOMEN ARE JUST FODDER TO THESE PEOPLE, Which is why they think rape is ok. THERE IS NO HELP AND NO HOPE All the time you have leaders like (ZUMA) who wants culture (100 wives) and dances around the campfire in a leopard skin like an idiot – forget about getting a modern civilized law abiding society, they enjoy there sick culture.

      Genet - 2012-04-27 11:41

      I am shattered by the vicious news of the last week of these disgusting rapists. The word rabid comes to mind, but I don't think a rabid animal would manage such devious, cruel and vicious behaviour. And rabid animals are put down.

  • Kenneth Sun - 2012-04-27 07:30

    Barbarians! These bottom feeders should all get rounded up for a public stoning session.

  • Louis - 2012-04-27 07:47

    Its because of apartheid and colonialism. There we go, problem solved. That's where all arguments lead to in RSA. People need to realise that they must take responsibility for their actions, Verwoerd and most of his friends are dead. I work with children everyday of my life and the lack of respect that they have for grown ups is increasing year by year. What you learn at home is what you apply in life.

      henk63 - 2012-04-27 08:43

      Louis, I agree. What's more is the fact that it gets worse generation after generation. And here comes government, banning punishment. How will we stem the tide?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 09:53

      Louis, I agree with you 100%. Children do what they see. The boys (and girls) are not the first line of punishment and maybe, neither are the parents because perhaps they model their Behaviour on those that they admire - the big knobs in government. This scourge needs to be rooted out at its source and guilty parties MUST all suffer the same punishment - irrespective of whom they are and how much they pay their attorneys. We all know whom that is!! The longer he hangs around, the more ridiculous he gets. Somehow this mess needs to come under control and SA's children need to feel safe, loved and cared for by people they can trust. Right now, they don't have that. We need to ask why they din't have that and then deal with that cause.

  • Raymond - 2012-04-27 08:18

    TALK...talk and more talk.We have already failed our children.These violent and horrific rape stories will continue unless this WEAK Government wake up and pass the Death Sentence.OBVIOUSLY the current jail sentence is not a worry to these rapist and they NEVER serve the full jail term.Get rid of the SCUM.Actually Barbaians is a word more suitable.

  • Raymond - 2012-04-27 08:19

    TALK...talk and more talk.We have already failed our children.These violent and horrific rape stories will continue unless this WEAK Government wake up and pass the Death Sentence.OBVIOUSLY the current jail sentence is not a worry to these rapist and they NEVER serve the full jail term.Get rid of the SCUM.Actually Barbarians is a word more suitable.

  • Jonny Lee - 2012-04-27 08:19

    give them houses and they will strike to get a toilet, give them schools and they will plunder it, give them society and they will rape and kill, empower them and ??

  • Amani - 2012-04-27 08:44

    The answer to this evil is very simple: implement severe punitive actions against murder and rape cases or better yet, bring back the death penalty for these two crimes. How can someone who's done such a thing be released ''in parental custody'' and yet that irresponsible parent was unable to instill proper values in that little bastard? Death penalty would be great because the taxpayers money spent on theses idiots in jail could be better spent on better education of useful people who create a better society. Is this freedom?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 09:37

      Amani, how do you punish the child for this when the prez did it, even joked about it - and got away with it? What sort of message is reaching the gullible masses? He should have been punished for what he did and also never have been made president. You cannot punish the boy and not the president. The prez also had access to huge legal representation - what does this boy have? I am not on the boy's side - just putting this into perspective.

      Alaina - 2012-04-27 10:06

      At Bless- the President didn't try and kill the woman, did he? He didn't try stab her, strangle her, bite her, hack her up and whatever else these men are doing. When are people going to accept that a person is responsible for their OWN actions and it is not a helpful practice to blame others? This kid did this out of his own free will, he obviously has the capability of being a danger to society- how is that the Presidents fault?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 10:55

      Alaina I understand you - but rape is rape. Had the boy not raped her this case would probably have just made a minor ripple. Perhaps he tried to blind her so she could not identify her. I believe that the rape is the issue. No, the prez did not attack the girl (not that we know of) but the crime of rape remains. He has that stain on his reputation and should have been punished for that but wiggled out of it. What message does that pass on to our people? I won't even begin to list the other things because I don't want to dilute the seriousness of the rape.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-27 12:54

      Amani, the death penalty do not solve America's criminal problems, why do you think it will solve ours?. Children are taught at home, children follow the lead of their elders. So start there. Hold the parents responsible for the actions of their children and maybe, just maybe things will get better.

  • Cindy Gray - 2012-04-27 08:46

    i think its all pathetic that this is happening and people are still walking the streets not punished or out on bail This is a disgrace on hanging on all South Africans what are kids and adults being taught for this to be happening what filth has possessed the minds of Humanity for this to be going on. Besides the lack of Humaness in all parties .What about The Law It clearly shows tha .The Law is a joke only utilised for certain individuals .Ever since its become acceptable to accept all these different cultures And OuR INHERITANCE OUR TRUE ORIGINS which is OUR LORD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST has been removed from our society on a whole this is what is now happening The same Bible that teaches to Love one another as I( Jesus) have Loved you That died on Calvary for us The same Bible that gave us The Laws of the 10 commandments which is a guidline on how we should behave and treat one another It talks about Loving your neighbour as yourself .Well now if you have taken God out of the schools out of our Society out of our Nation what do you expect . Instead we have a President that has a Lust Issue using culture as his guise We have people starving and missing out on Education but we have Big Parties and Lavish Functions that could feed somany poor people . We have Politicians who are so ignorant they have the Gall to classify themselves as God .If We as a Nation Have All These in charge How exactly do you expect the children to behave When our Godliness Our God that Loved The World so much He gave his only begotten son to die for us .When that Love a Love like Christ has been removed from This Nation. And Lustful President and rouges in Government have started dictating how we to live our lives and setting the example in their actions HOW SHOULD OUR KIDS BEHAVE ? Lets get God back in our hearts in our minds so we can have that fear of hurting others again .Lets get it back so we can get our morales back WE ARE IN A DESPERATE POSITION

  • thabo.manganye - 2012-04-27 08:46

    Most of the so called criminals are people who grew up without parents hence the child grant. we not failing our children but the government has failed us. people must work to earn a living not to be a nation of hand outs. i do admire they way they fun things up north i mean in countries like Egypt, Tunisia , minus the uprisings . rape and murder is unheard of. not here in sa where u can rape get caught red handed and still u make bail coz the police still need to investigate.

  • damonsb - 2012-04-27 08:52

    Here`s Good news, it probably won`t be shown here on news 24,if you are reading this, wow...thank you Jesus, Mathew 24-3 says ,Jesus sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world"..And Jesus answered and said to them, Take heed that no man deceive you.(7)A nation shall rise against a nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.(8)All these are the beginning of sorrows.(9)Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake. And (20)This is what we should do..."But pray you that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:"All these news about murder, rape ,stealing and carelessness is as old as the first news paper ,no-one will do anything about it ,government especially, and as it is , all criminals are having a feast of a time doing what they do best and no-one is stopping them...Prepare for the worst this world has ever seen and come to Jesus while there is still time. Amen

      LesleySwitchblade.CGranger - 2012-04-27 10:51

      this is an ostritch head in the sand reply. we are responsible for our children! love and protection comes with action, not believing in bible quotes. get up, get out and get physically active in helping our children.

  • sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-27 09:24

    Ladies may I appeal to you....DON'T GET PREGNANT without being married. You should only have a child if you have a man who stays to help you to support your kids and to teach them about life(especially boys) Instead we have young mothers who go to work are not there for their kids....children run wild with no one to discipline them...it's not the childrens fault.....I blame the parents that were to young to have kids and the Fathers that make these girls pregnant and then desert them and leave the Mother to bring the children up.......... This in my opinion is were the route of SA problems lie with ill disciplined teenagers...who become badly behaved adults.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-27 12:59

      Sandra, locally girls of fourteen are pressured by their parents to get pregnant for the child benefits. It's a vicious circle no one is addressing.

  • Nigel - 2012-04-27 09:51

    Hard Labour, is the only real deterrent, i don't know why this is not used for violent criminals & drug traffickers. If you got 10 years hard labour for raping someone, I promise you, they won't do it again + they will contribute to the economy rather than sit in jail & we have to pay for it.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-04-27 10:11

    I thought we had prisons for kids undr th age of 18. Parent custody won't decipline a young potential rapist nd I am begining to hate ths society. Kid being rapists, tht is nt on.

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-04-27 10:11

    I thought we had prisons for kids undr th age of 18. Parent custody won't decipline a young potential rapist nd I am begining to hate ths society. Kid being rapists, tht is nt on.

  • sfisopdlamini.dlamini - 2012-04-27 10:30

    Its painful what we see and hear in this country these days. Young children are being raped and have their eyes gouged out. And the law fails them. The young pepetrator has been released because he is young and no one who says this monster must be kept in jail because he has done a horable case. He is free as if he has done nothing. The DA is right if it says we are failing our children. In the past few days we heard another horible story of a mentally- ill teenager who was gang raped.

  • Shirley - 2012-04-27 10:36

    A good place to begin is at home with parenting. With the need of both parents working in todays lifestyle,children are basically left to fend for themselves,with parents seldom realy aware of with whom and where the child is socialising. Its often too late by the time parent s become aware of a childs social circle. Another big problem is parents not setting an example of what a healthy,productive and socialy adept adult should be. Schools should have classes from grade 1 on guiding children to know what is morally correct. For some children this may be the only guidance they receive.If each parent instilled from a young age a sense of right andwrong we would certainly begin to see a change!

  • Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 10:39

    About 12 years ago my daughter was given an art assignment - she was asked to profile the African artist Trevor Mokaba. We found a number of the artworks contained disturbing images of either intimate scenes or rapes as viewed through the eyes of a young child in the townships. (we viewed these artworks at the Everard Read Gallery in Rosebank) It became clear that these were not intentionally done to shock but merely reflected township life. It would be interesting to have comment from those who have grown up with this. This is not regarded as standard Behaviour in white communities. There are obviously those who indulge themselves irresponsibly or "swing" or participate in orgies, but that, i think, is usually consensual sex. If young people in townships are growing up with this then it is hardly surprising that they too will do this. How does the community set about putting this right - especially if it's a cultural thing? Am I way off the track?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-27 11:30

      With all due respect Kensong, you are not South African. We have chatted before and I learnt then that your culture and behaviour are very different from our local black people - and cannot be compared.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-27 13:03

      Bless, I agree. Living with a whole family in one room, mother pregnant most of the time and the sisters too, give the impression that it is normal. How can young minds know the differecne if they aren't taught?.

  • LesleySwitchblade.CGranger - 2012-04-27 10:45

    why are we protecting the criminals? these people convicting these neanderthol like behaviour, have to treated in the same behaviour forced on the victims. gouge out eyes..strangled..beaten...frightened to death. why sentence them to our correctional facilities anymore. no one learns. death by public stoning? when they realise how they will be caught and killed through example, i bet there will be very little abuse and sex crimes premeditated and very few committed. Severe punishment is now required. Children are precious!!! Think about it.

  • Mike Purchase - 2012-04-27 10:52

    In my opinion children are exposed to the media,tv is bad news just look at what you seen on the news.

  • Louis - 2012-04-27 18:17

    I'm Christian and I would obviously prefer Christianity to be brought back into schools, yet one has to respect the fact that not everyone believes the same as you - therefore I believe that the universal values between most religions, such as humility, respect for others (especially the elderly), love for each other, and core principles such as what you sow you shall reap, need to be reinforced at schools. The reality is that many parents fail in this regard. Also, I believe that authorities set an example that children often follow - Zuma may be popular, but popular people are hardly ever great leaders, and I see no exception to the rule in his case.

  • Popeye - 2012-04-27 18:24

    VIVA APARTHEID !!

  • errol.wagner - 2012-04-27 18:41

    THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE SOLUTION - STRENGTHENING OUR FAMILIES, WHERE FATHERS TAKE THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES SERIOUSLY AND WHERE MOTHERS SEE THAT MOTHERHOOD IS A FAR BETTER CALLING THAN FOLLOWING A CAREER. IN OTHER WORDS, WHERE PARENTS UNDERSTAND THAT PARENTHOOD IS SERIOUS AND REQUIRES SACRIFICE - TEACHING CHILDREN VALUES AND EXEMPLIFYING THEM. GOD'S PLAN WAS ALWAYS FOR CHILDREN TO DEVELOP IN HEALTHY FAMILIES AND IF WE NEGLECT THIS, THEN DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN THESE TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPEN. CHILDREN DON'T HAVE ROLE MODELS IN THEIR HOMES OR FROM TEACHERS AND CERTAINLY NOT IN OUR SOCIETIE'S LEADERSHIP STRUCTURES.

  • flinkjon - 2012-04-28 06:01

    This is not for any preconceptions.Currently the world is polluted with crime.Everyone crying out for the death penalty while death is committed daily.Governments especially the leaders should be purified to lead and protect a nation from this unseen scourge effecting the people.These forces propel these animosity among the nations to extract more resources for their next production.While they keep many drunken and in a deep sleep as they already know the ways of man.Keeping them in this placebo of seeking judgement while they know to win and gain again.The very same governments is controlled of this secrete societies to stock drive the human beings.Every day keeping them busy with production to loose their mind and soul.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-04-28 07:38

      flinkjon...REMEMBER THIS....NOBODY CAN FORCE YOU TO DO ANYTHING YOU DO NO WISH TO DO.......KNOWING RIGHT FROM WRONG...IS SO IMPORTANT.....IF YOU DON'T TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR LIFE....PEOPLE WILL USE AND ABUSE YOU..STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT....

  • Ben - 2012-04-28 06:27

    we as man of SA w are da ones who go 2 woman make them love us.live with them nd telling them we will protect them.we do have children with them but at the end of a day we do kill,rape,beat our children and woman.hw sick is our society.please guys am about 2 become a father,the is nothing more interesting like hearing your child playing and kicking in your wife's womb,but do we bring them 2 do all such bad things 2 our chldren.we have 2 change our ways.if your are horny.why dont you just go 2 woman who help people like you on da street nd leave our children.i think this bastarts should just be castratetd and be killed.just imagine if he/she was your child.please my brothers,lets do right by this one

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