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We're not intimidated - Gwede Mantashe

2011-08-30 13:04

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma, journalists and police came under attack in Johannesburg's city centre where ANC Youth League members ran riot on Tuesday.

"We are not intimidated... they failed [in doing that]," ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe told reporters outside Luthuli House, where throngs of supporters of youth league leader Julius Malema had caused chaos ahead of his disciplinary hearing, which went ahead regardless.

"Whoever brought the crowd must take responsibility, whether it's an attack on the police or journalists or passing cars, the ANC will not take responsibility for that."

Mantashe condemned the "acts of criminality, violence and hooliganism" and said the ANC had never before had a situation where people from its own party had tried to storm its office.

Mantashe would not say if Malema was still inside the building, but confirmed that he had been there in the morning.

"I'm not his spokesman, I don't know," said Mantashe, who addressed the media shortly after national police commissioner General Bheki Cele arrived at the ANC's headquarters.

He added the hearing was going ahead as planned. "There has been no disruption."

Support for top leadership


Thousands of ANCYL members became violent in their pursuit to show support for Malema, who was facing a disciplinary hearing alongside other top youth leaders.

Chanting "President Malema", and singing "Burn Zuma", Malema supporters threw rocks at Sapa's photographer, Werner Beukes, two eNews journalists Belinda Moses and Cathy Mohlahlana, a Citizen photographer and The Star photographer Boxer Ngwenya.

A policeman was taken to hospital after being hit in the face.

A T-shirt and posters bearing a picture of Zuma were set alight, as well as ANC flags.

A City Press journalist tweeted that one poster stated: "Zuma a rapist."

"It flies in the face of what the leadership has called for - disciplined behaviour," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said earlier.

"It is not disciplined, [it is] criminal. We have seen journalists being pelted. We have also seen even our police being pelted with stones, and all types of things.

"We are therefore saying this is unacceptable and we put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the ANCYL."

Businesses close

Several businesses closed their doors as supporters started fires next to the roads and broke off pieces of concrete barriers.

"I was so frightened," said Nuraan Holand, the manager of Wimpy in Pritchard street.

She said people were banging on the windows and threw glass at the windows, demanding to come inside.

"I thought they were going to get in so we decided to close down."

Police fired rubber bullets and teargas as supporters broke into several groups, threatening to break through the barbed wire set up around Luthuli House.

Eight street blocks around the ANC's office were closed off to prevent protesters from entering the building.

Yellow tape used to close streets around the ruling party's headquarters was cut loose. The doors to Luthuli House had been closed while the shutters in front of the windows were half-way down.

ANCYL members tried to get into the building but were stopped at the corner of Sauer and Pritchard streets by heavily armed police.

Curious onlookers gathered on rooftops to witness the action.

A youth league member yelled through a speaker, urging members to be disciplined, but no one seemed to listen.

Rubbish bins were set on fire and broken bricks were hurled at police Nyala armoured vehicles as three police helicopters hovered over the area.

Water was used to try and control the crowds, causing several protesters to slip and fall.

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Comments
  • saabnut - 2011-08-30 13:07

    And so you shouldn't be. Your croniy thieves bred and lied to the monster to secure seats on the gravy train- now deal with it.

      Richie - 2011-08-30 13:16

      Because nothing will happen to Julius and co. He wil probably have to attend “political school, given by fraudster Toni Yengeni and have to pay a small fine from the millions siphoned from the many tenders he as “raped” .

      Civil_Rights - 2011-08-30 13:18

      If they are not intimidated than they should remove him from the youth league. Than will see if their words have any substance.

      EYESAY - 2011-08-30 13:20

      “Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius and a lot of courage to move in the opposite direction.” ..... Albert Einstein Of course none of the "genius" part of this quote is relevant to any ANCYL member!

      saabnut - 2011-08-30 13:21

      @ Civil_Rights: The only substance the ANC knows is the type Cheryl Cwele was convicted of smuggling/dealing. They have absolutely no moral fibre, whilst having the gall to question others.

      Together - 2011-08-30 13:21

      Wow - the crowd is saying: "President Malema", and singing "Burn Zuma", sounds like treason to me. I wonder who deals with that? Apparently not our government?

      McDaNife - 2011-08-30 13:21

      Why dont we have some positive comments on what you should think the outcome of the hearing would be rather than slander the anc. Its no fault of theirs if these unruly ancyl supporters behave like morons.

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-30 13:27

      @MacDaNife - HUH ??? The current ANC unleashed Malema and his peanut gallery. Now they can't control them. OF COURSE it's the ANC's fault !!!

      Grant - 2011-08-30 13:31

      @McDaNife - the anc trained and encourage child soldiers and child activists as one of their weapons in their fight against apartheid. They were taught to burn down their schools libraries etc. The anc deprived these youths of an education (even as poor as it was). These youths of yesterday have grown into the malema's of today, still believing themselves to be 'youth'. This generation was created by the anc and until they have passed into history this country will continue to carry this burden.

      Atholl - 2011-08-30 13:32

      When the interests of 50m is adversely affected by 2,000 thugs and no effective means exists to deal with the 2,000 .... then the Police must be 'Recalled' and the Leaders of both parties must be 'Recalled'

      DW - 2011-08-30 13:47

      Grant, you are so right. Unfortunately it is not only this generation which is affected. These selfsame people will teach their own children to riot and strike and protest violently. What exactly did the ANC think? That they could teach their followers how to demand their own way by violence and then they would turn into meek little sheep once the ANC was in power? Stupid idiots.

      ANCYL4PRES - 2011-08-30 14:29

      As much as I think nationalisation should be considered, I however disagree with the manner in which these people have acted in showing their support for President Julius Malema, Yes I am a member of the YL, my show of support for the YL Leaders is through my commitment of being productive and being at my place of employment. Brothers and Sisters, it helps to sacrifice partying and drugs by concentrating on building your future, the only way to do that is by making something of your life, Let us learn to be useful and the only one way to achieve that objective is through, E.D.U.C.A.T.I.O.N, I am very dissapointed and ashamed to say I am a member of a group that behave like barbarians, those who went to Luthuli house and acted like criminals, your names should be hanged in the wall of shame, totally unacceptable. The police were suppose to arrest them for public violence

      John Smith - 2011-08-30 15:02

      The only thing these animals have ever respected in the history of Africa is a shambok with a 6'5" cop on the other end of it, USE it or we WILL lose it!!!

      Manyoza - 2011-08-30 16:13

      ANCYL4PRES It is so sad. I feel your pain and I am embarassed on your behalf. My question to legitimate YL members is ... Where the hell do all the criminals/barbarians/rioters come from ? Surely this is not what the YL stands for. I have always been under the impression that Juliarse is just an immature spoilt man-child that shows no respect for Gov and/or ruling party. I have been concerned that the youth are being brainwashed and misled. Today we hear about school kids joining the barbarians ??? I feel your pain bru, and I sympathise with the quality element in the YL.

      Drewka - 2011-08-30 16:33

      The ANC should take a stand here; otherwise this once lovely country would go down the drain. Malema uses NAZI theology, the same way Hitler did in Germany, but the only difference is that he won't be able to unify the people, so civil war would be the outcome. Zuma should get rid of the cockroach before he gets too much power.

      umhlopo - 2011-08-30 18:32

      @ ancylforpres. you are the first and probably will be the only ancyl member to have posted an intelligent comment on this site,or for that matter on any site

  • FaxM8 Fax - 2011-08-30 13:10

    ANC = crmininals no matter what their age !

      kidblack - 2011-08-30 13:26

      Get off that computer SA. Its an imperialist invention developed by "stupid" europeans. And on the "retarded farmer" stint... i have never seen a successful retarded farmer since farming (unlike raising chickens next to a hut ) requires expertise in economics, biology, geology, and climatology. And btw.. its spelt "SENT" ... retard.

      Thor - 2011-08-30 13:27

      If they are planning on sending back mentally retarted white farmers the plane will be pretty empty, not many of them around. That cannot be said for the plane with mentally retarted ANC sheeple. That plane will be full. Hahahahahaha

      Thandiwe83 - 2011-08-30 13:32

      Piss off you Mandela hating racist. Why do you hate the whites? Mandela did not.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-08-30 13:50

      @StupidAfrikaner - Is it possible to be mentally retarded and also a farmer?

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-30 13:56

      @ News24 Editor - SHAME ON YOU for even allowing "SA" to have a profile on News24 with an offensive, racist alias! Do your job and kick him off!!! @ others - changing his alias to incorporate the K-word is just as bad!!! Don't stoop to that level!

      Taboo - 2011-08-30 14:04

      I agree MATT - i have noticed that they often take my comments off, and they are not even half as bad.......

      The Observer - 2011-08-30 14:10

      hehehe. stupidafrikaner's name was meant to say stupidafrican but because he is stupid he asked his wife to spell african to him, so she came up with afrikaner. hence stupidafrikaner

      Richie - 2011-08-30 14:26

      @Matt, I was making a point which was proven. Afrikaners can be insulted... that’s just okay. Even see these stupid adverts that always make the black-"oak" to be so smart and the white guys stupid! Malema can call us thieves, threaten us... NOTHING gets done, but he says something about Botswana and he's in trouble.

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-30 14:30

      what adverts?

      Daemos1 - 2011-08-30 14:31

      I thought it was spelt 'oke' my world is crumbling :(

      Megan - 2011-08-30 14:37

      StupidAfrikaner, OMG you are so smart, tell you what lets get rid of the minority of SANE, CARING, HARDWORKING farmers who have done nothing but make sure there is food to eat in this country. All those ANCYL members and probably yourself as well will live an absolutely wonderful life amidst drought, famine, disease, etc. At least then, once you've achieved that, you won't be able to blame the whites and apartheid anymore.

      grod - 2011-08-30 14:57

      @stupidafrikaner - change your name to stupidneandethal.. mind you whatever you call yourself you will remain plain stupid!

  • willieman - 2011-08-30 13:10

    Mantashe you failed as father,anelder in the anc, a leaeder.When Malema was insulting evryone (Mrs Zille,Ms Lindiwe Mazibuko,Mrs Naledi Pandor,Shilowa,The woman who was allegelly raped by Zuma,Thabo Mbeki, the list is endless)you kept your silent,now you are telling us that you will never be intimidated.Take early pension and go and farm your land in the eastern cape.You failed the minds of reasean in the anc.

      saabnut - 2011-08-30 13:17

      That was extremely well said, and sadly, COMPLETELY true.

      Greg - 2011-08-30 13:48

      Agreed - and our esteemed President is conveniently out of the country - as is his deputy........No surprises at today's thuggery.

      Sammy - 2011-08-30 14:08

      Clearly, the ANC failed in the field of education as well? "anelder ", "leaeder", "reasean "?

      Colby - 2011-08-30 14:47

      @Sammy. Where on earth do morons like you come from. There's a guy (Willieman) making a very worthwhile contribution and all you can do is spout racist crap and insult him. What on earth has happened here, where bigots like you are permitted to voice your imbecilic rhetoric. If it were up to me, you'd be navigating Malema's boat to Antarctica, with the rest of the negative racist fools who are preventing this great country from achieving greatness. However, I am certain you need a GPS to find your way to the toilet!

      willieman - 2011-08-30 14:52

      @ Sammy ,i suppose you joking ok "an elder","leader",'reason" now you happy ne!!!

      Manyoza - 2011-08-30 16:22

      Well said Willieman, but I think you are typing too fast. Colby - I support what you say 100%.

      umhlopo - 2011-08-30 18:37

      Malemmer has achieved what he wanted - read the comments,see the division,feel the hatred.This piece of sh-t must be taken out and soon or it will be to late for any of us

  • Smaal - 2011-08-30 13:12

    You are not intimidated? You should be! It's your people!

      Notuagain - 2011-08-30 14:18

      I agree. Amazingly Gwede says the ANC are not responsible. They are....it's their youth. The ANC are the parents. They allowed it to get out of hand and must now take full blame for the mess.

  • FightBack - 2011-08-30 13:13

    Funny when all of this is going on Zuma is not even in the country??? Who needs tv or any other form of entertainment when you have SA government....

      saabnut - 2011-08-30 13:18

      Probably sucking up to another communist leader for asylum once he's kicked out...

      flummoxed - 2011-08-30 13:48

      mmm! Poop scared if you ask me..

      Baaspiet - 2011-08-30 14:35

      @ Fightback - Can you believe that!!! I suppose he will have something like "It is because I wasn't here it all happened." I think our Prez ran. The Captain first off the ship???

  • thakhani tshivhase - 2011-08-30 13:13

    It was kill for zuma, now its kill zuma, lol!

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-30 13:17

      Ja these fools cannot make up their minds. They always follow whoever makes the most noise. So stupid

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-30 13:58

      So it's wrong to spill your drink on JZ, but it's OK to call him a rapist outright in public. So much for the laws on slander following a "innocent" verdict... but hey! He's in a rioting mob so it must be allowed then...

      umhlopo - 2011-08-30 18:38

      wild animals are like that,they all eventually turn on the pack leader

  • Bloodbane_2 - 2011-08-30 13:16

    Juts kick the twit out of the ANC and be done with it.... after that thrown him in jail for tender fraud.

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 14:00

      great idea,but get the guns ready cause it will lead to the end for us all

      Matt :-) - 2011-08-30 14:01

      Question - what happened to Bloodbane "1"

      Bloodbane_2 - 2011-08-30 14:19

      @Matt - he got banned for saying ANC are criminals, but came back as ANCrCrimnals and got banned again.... this time I'll try not say ANC are crimnals

      Megan - 2011-08-30 14:40

      Bloodbane, annoying how it's completely okay for them to call whites thieves and call for them to be murdered but as soon as one of us says anything of the sort about the ANC or another black person our freedom of speech is completely denied.

  • gizzy - 2011-08-30 13:16

    Zuma, you reap what you sow. Tese scumbags are only aping what happened during your trial. The way you ousted Mbeki was going to come back and bite you sooner or later. You and Malema should both be hung out to dry!

  • Durbanite78 - 2011-08-30 13:16

    Bunch of hooligans and jerks. Julius is a hoodlum and a mafia, his gang-like behaviour has manipulated destitute youngsters. Well these mobsters won save this man's ass. He's gonna walk.

  • diehardSA - 2011-08-30 13:17

    And this is how the country is going to ruin. Blame shift, denail of unruly supporters and blatant disrespect for the rest of the country.. Its days like these that i whish the rest of My country all the best.

  • biskit - 2011-08-30 13:17

    The $HIT has hit the fan

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-30 13:53

      No yet I suspect

  • Prof - 2011-08-30 13:18

    Was it Okay to set alight Thabo Mbeki 's T-Shirts?

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 14:02

      with them its flavor of the month and nothing more,they will turn on their own at any given excuse

  • erick.letshwene - 2011-08-30 13:18

    VIVA, DC or no DC.

  • damien.fourie - 2011-08-30 13:19

    If this is peaceful what the hell is going to happen when its not peacful?

  • Ace - 2011-08-30 13:19

    Seems like there's no leadership in this protest process. Who will be punished for the lack of order from the ANCYL members? They are turning on their own fathers. Call in the SADF and we'll see how long the chaos continues.

      philjan - 2011-08-31 10:03

      Unfortunately Julius has the SANDF leaders support so this will not haapen

  • DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-30 13:19

    Guys if ever there was a point in time where we can either stand united against a common evil, now is that time. If we stand here and bicker among DA / ANC supporters, then this evil will win. Leave the bickering for later, lets stand together & ensure that Malema is brought to book, or we will face really dark times ahead, & the fault for letting that happen will rest with all of us!!!

      King Msendi - 2011-08-30 13:38

      True…

      RonJeremy - 2011-08-30 13:54

      True that. The racist agenda of the ANCYL and their stance on Black African Nationalism. The principles and ideals are NO different to white supremacy. The same racist that Nelson Mandela fought against. DOWN WITH RACIST IN SA !!! DOWN WITH THE ANCYL !!!

      Mikus - 2011-08-30 14:02

      Good sentiment Dabo but the sad reality is that the black youth as a whole is being tarnished with the same evil brush here. What would be critical to know is if there are some in that number that haven't given up.

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-30 14:10

      Guys, look at the reality, there are a few thousand of these things that have been bussed in. that is a fraction of a percent of the 50 000 000 population. they are just making a lot of noise which is why they seem so strong... If we were all to get involved, these maggots would be crushed in minutes.

      InternetMan - 2011-08-30 16:49

      Very good point DABOSS. It's not about numbers, but rather who can make the most noise.

  • Cob - 2011-08-30 13:19

    this country is more and more becoming africa's biggest joke!

      DABOSS247365 - 2011-08-30 13:27

      Think we still have about 50 places to get through before we get there lol.

  • Midcorner - 2011-08-30 13:20

    Look at how our house has turned out to be,how can you build a house without instilling discipline.This is a beginning of a seroius civil war and the tst of character for our movement.But we are not shaken and we will be frightened

  • Commonsense - 2011-08-30 13:21

    De ja vu. The same story being copied & pasted over and over and over. De ja vu. The same story being copied & pasted over and over and over.

  • Sammajoor - 2011-08-30 13:22

    Hey Comrade Zuma, now you know what PW Botha felt like when those angry mobs wanted to burn him and all he stood for

  • Mack Oscar - 2011-08-30 13:22

    This would never have got so out of hand if Mbeki was still around. It amazing how the ANCYL stood up for Zuma during his rape trial, and now they are calling him a rapist. It would be amusing, but its actually just frightening.

  • Truth24 - 2011-08-30 13:22

    Mantashe condemned the "acts of criminality, violence and hooliganism"... Hmmm try Moronism

  • Dal68 - 2011-08-30 13:22

    anc made them what they are, a bunch of moegoes!

  • FightBack - 2011-08-30 13:24

    Is it a bird?? Is it a plane?? No its Julius on his way out the door!!!!

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 14:06

      no its an incoming rock from the masses

  • Fair Deal - 2011-08-30 13:26

    Up until what age do you qualify as a youth league member. All the pitures seem to be of middle aged people rather than youth. Surely after age 21 you no longer qualify to be a member of the youth league and should be required to join the main body of the organisation.

  • Tommy - 2011-08-30 13:27

    SAVAGES!

      flummoxed - 2011-08-30 13:54

      'Griller' In The Mist time at Luthuli House

      THE.SRG - 2011-08-30 14:07

      and the mist is tear gas

  • crackerr - 2011-08-30 13:27

    Planned. No doubt about it. Now we hear that silly term "agents provocateurs" being used as part of the excuse. When you hear that term and about some 3rd Force you know immediately that you are hearing lies. The pure delight on the faces of the destroyers of law and order that we saw this morning on our TVs will stay with most of us. Some very difficult decisions ahead of us. We will have to come to terms with realities and start thinking how to deal with it. If the ANCYL is unable to control their members, how do they plan to regulate their so-called nationalization plans? They are raising hopes and expectations that they know will result in uncontrollable chaos. UNLESS they plan some very drastic measures to control the population, particularly the youth? Some hard realities coming our way. The lies and deceit!

  • I_Say - 2011-08-30 13:27

    - T I A - if you can't take the heat, change your tanning lotion!!!!

  • RainbowZombi - 2011-08-30 13:30

    Time has come to unite and vote in the next elections as one people under one party, and not take the day off and say "Even if I vote it wont help" it will help if we all stand together.

      Mr. Fusion - 2011-08-30 13:32

      Never one party no matter who they are!

  • goldenmart - 2011-08-30 13:31

    So nobody is running the country at the moment. JZ and KM is away on business..... Are they That scared of juju?

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-08-30 13:31

    Eish, it must be hard to burn those free ANC T-shirts that these peepool recieved at the pre-election rallies.

  • Karabo Mano - 2011-08-30 13:32

    Who let the dogs out? ANC vs ANCYL. Disappointed but not surprised.Who let the dogs out? ANC vs ANCYL. Disappointed but not surprised.

  • CleoMamma - 2011-08-30 13:33

    NOT proudly South African

  • Lim - 2011-08-30 13:39

    I agree with you, what are they still doing here, flight fees, visas, cost of living..... they can't afford hahahahahatltltltltlt LOL

  • thokozani.nene1 - 2011-08-30 13:40

    This people are not ANC members nor supporters, Malema, Cassel MAthale and company must be responsible for this as they did mobilised those holligans, if they want ti fight with our organisation we are prepared to take them, we didnt go to exile caring guns out entire life for nothing. They dont know us and we think we are afraid of them we not, we will protect our leaders and our head quaters. Who is Floyd Sibambu and Julius Malema

      martin gorgeous - 2011-08-30 14:51

      Julius Malema and Floyd Sibambu must be severely disciplined and made an example of. Otherwise the ANC will lose all credibility amongst all South Africans, regardless of our backgrounds.

      bar-one - 2011-08-30 15:41

      How about caning him in public, he is after all still a little boy according to anc standards,thus he should be punished as such.

      Hannes Perth - 2011-08-30 22:39

      "This people are not ANC members nor supporters" ? No they are members and supporters of the ANCYL the ANC's future leaders! As ANC member you need to take responsibility of their action because you created them.

  • Nwali Muhulu - 2011-08-30 13:41

    Remember the Egypt and Tunisia uprising; some people said SA must be carefull as such may happen in our land. Be very scared

      device - 2011-08-30 14:17

      a handful of ill-disciplined adolescent morons being manipulated by self-serving demagogues in their bid to secure power and influence is hardly the same thing as Egypt and Tunisia's popular social revolution to end authoritarianism and heavy handed police state. Revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia were partially led by astute political activists, academics and students, what we are seeing today @ Luthuli House is no more than an argument amongst thieves.

  • Trevor - 2011-08-30 13:41

    Oh man this is soooooooooo funny...ANC tactics all these past years, coming back to haunt them...BEST part is, these are "kids", not even BORN during the struggle, they have EVERY chance out there to be fat and rich like Julius...so what does this tell us all about the future of SA under the ANC.

  • Exilestar - 2011-08-30 13:41

    Can somebody please shorten this idiot hearing, motorists are delayed, shops are being closed, people miss work. Malema has done nothing for our youth except causing conflicts, and talking junk whenever the media is available. we do not deserve this as the youth of S africa, or else ANC is on its own if they can't stop the fire they made before it burns them any further.

  • andre.bloemhof - 2011-08-30 13:42

    I can see a Zapiro cartoon about similar to the " raping Justice" just with Zuma being held down by the ANCYL so mini Bob can have his way

  • Boligello - 2011-08-30 13:43

    Thabo Mbeki must be having a giggle at all this!And rightly so!

  • Lerato - 2011-08-30 13:43

    i dont c Juju going anywhere, he will still be a president of the YL when they leave Luthuli house with a fine and a warning to never do something like that again, nothing that he hasn't heard before. for those who want him out of the youth league must just wait until he is over 35 and if he doesn't leave by then, we must assume one is classified as part of the youth until 40, then we should increase the age of getting funds from NYDE to whatever age that Malema stop being the president of the youth league.

  • wv - 2011-08-30 13:44

    I love it

  • N1 Production House - 2011-08-30 13:44

    " Mantashe condemned the "acts of criminality, violence and hooliganism" and said the ANC had never before had a situation where people from its own party had tried to storm its office." Times are changing Mr Mantashe...

  • wfreyneke - 2011-08-30 13:44

    You created this monster - now take responsibility and show accountability.

  • DW - 2011-08-30 13:45

    In the old apartheid system the ANC decided to make the country ungovernable and taught their people how to riot, strike and protest violently if they didnt get their own way. This is an ANC trait. Now they dont like it when they have to deal with it. I have no sympathy. I never liked this type of action back then, and I dont like it now. But I have never thought that violence should be the answer.

  • derkus - 2011-08-30 13:46

    the ANC and the ANCYL suck big time

  • RainbowZombi - 2011-08-30 13:46

    Nkandla, Lim If we leave like all other countries in Africa you will still be telling the west to come bail you out with food hand outs, as you were previously disadvantaged, and due to colonialism you cant grow, but rather sow distruction. Are you willing to pay for me as your croanies have stolen all which I have build on, and what I have saved had to be distibuted to you.

  • Davearch - 2011-08-30 13:47

    Anyone planned for upcoming scenario where these people don't get food ????

  • kingkong - 2011-08-30 13:48

    haahahah lekker the sooner it happens the better. Let them fight and sort it out that way we can start fresh.

  • StevieWonder - 2011-08-30 13:49

    And where is our President while all this is happening? Sight-seeing in Norway.... Typical. Perhaps he is seeking asylum?

      Lim - 2011-08-30 14:08

      I thought De Klerk was your president for life, you are confused