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Zille: DA march a turning point for SA

2012-05-17 14:15

Cape Town - The DA march against Cosatu's blocking of the youth wage subsidy that turned violent earlier this week is a turning point in South Africa, party leader Helen Zille said on Thursday.

South Africans now know that the DA stood up for the unemployed and that Cosatu opposed their interests "even violently", Zille said.

"What happened in the Joburg CBD on Tuesday will come to be seen as a turning point in South Africa," Zille said.

"Every South African now knows that the DA stands up for the unemployed, and that Cosatu opposes their interests, even violently."

‘DA more resolute than ever’

Zille said the party would intensify its campaign for the subsidy.

"The DA is more resolute than ever to mobilise all South Africans for the immediate implementation of the youth wage subsidy, structured on the model proposed by the national Treasury, which is a model we support," she said.

The march, led by Zille, youth leader Makashule Gana, parliamentary leader Lindiwe Mazibuko and national spokesman Mmusi Maimane, began peacefully. But when the protesters turned into Jorissen Street in Braamfontein they were met by toyi-toying Cosatu members moving down the street from Cosatu's offices, opposite the Joburg Theatre.

Cosatu members allegedly threw rocks and pieces of cement at DA supporters.

Police used teargas and water cannons to disperse Cosatu members, who stopped the DA from protesting outside its headquarters.

Maimane laid charges of incitement of violence, intimidation and illegal gathering against Cosatu on Wednesday.

Young first-time job seekers ‘to benefit’

The treasury had budgeted R5bn for the subsidy, but the money is "stagnating" in the budget, despite record levels of youth unemployment.

"The youth wage subsidy will benefit more than 423 000 people in the first three years of the programme," Zille said.

"Beneficiaries will be young, first-time job seekers, many of whom have completed matric or have tertiary qualifications but who cannot find that crucial first job."

The exponential knock-on effect of these 423 000 opportunities would literally benefit millions more people, she said.

The DA had been calling for a youth wage subsidy programme for ten years. It was now supported by business, government and Fedusa, South Africa's second largest trade federation.

Zille said the programme had had resounding success elsewhere in the world.

Who is eligible?

Unemployment was literally halved in Singapore between 2003 and 2007 in part due to the implementation of a youth wage subsidy, while several middle-income countries have also adopted wage subsidy programmes including Korea, Mexico, the Slovak Republic, Chile and Turkey.

The subsidy will be paid over to complying businesses in the form of a tax credit and will be administered by the SA Revenue Service.

Employers who grow their labour force by employing people between the ages of 18 and 29 will be eligible to receive the wage subsidy.

Zille said she would write to the National Economic Development and Labour Council (Nedlac) about the issue.

If a request for a meeting with Nedlac was unsuccessful she would seek a meeting with President Jacob Zuma.

The DA would also use "every parliamentary mechanism available" to pressure the government into fulfilling its promise to implement the subsidy.

"We repeat our call for Cosatu to drop its indefensible opposition to this job creation initiative that is sensible, proven and affordable," Zille said.

Comments
  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-05-17 14:19

    Helen it is such a pity that the unemployed youth don't know that you are really on their side. They just blindly follow everything that comes out of the mouths of ANC and COSATO

      gerhard.nel - 2012-05-17 14:22

      All this confirmed to me was that the ANC and its partners will NEVER hand over power if they lose an election. They will rather resort to violence.

      Sharon - 2012-05-17 14:29

      @ Gerhard - it is the African way. Once they have power, they dig themselves in so deep that you will never get them out. All we can hope for is that the opposition gets stronger to a point where they can force the govenment to perform their duties as per their mandate.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 14:29

      I hope this is a turning point in South African Politics, just like sharpville was a major turning point

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 14:29

      VIVA ECONOMIC FREEDOM! VIVA YOUTH OF SA! VIVA DA! Cosatu and the ANC regime has lied to us... The ANC is now being controlled by Vavi and his thugs! We have to stand together to fight them both!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 14:31

      Then help the DA to change that..

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:32

      Agreed 100%. People need to engage their brains before engaging their mouths the facts are there for all to see. 1) Policy has been around since october 2009, announced by the president in 2010 and Da started campaigning for it in 2010 as well. 2) ANC policy that the DA agrees with but is blocked by Cosatu a non government organization 3) DA march was legal, Cosatus was not. 4)DA can march where ever they want yet Cosatu think they have the right to choose which parts of the constitution they wish to follow. 4) Cosatu started the violence 5) Only DA members have been injured there has been no proof otherwise 6) The DA has the right to take them to court 7) By saying that the DA should have known it was going to happen those people accept that in this day and age its "OK" for certain groups to be violent and we must just accept it. 8) Cosatu want more jobs for people yet they stop 420 000 people from earning a salary for the past 2-3 years.

      Janice - 2012-05-17 14:37

      GO Helen GO!!!!!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-05-17 15:12

      It then becomes very clear ...why "our parents" held on to the power as long as they possible could...being older and wiser...they knew the African way and that once power was handed over, there was little hope ....and feared for their childrens future..HOW RIGHT THEY WERE.

      farmfreund - 2012-05-17 15:26

      The tide is turning in SA, the DA controle almoust 30% of the votes in SA and the whites who can vote is about 5% of the population, if my calculation are not wrong i would say there are more black people voting for the DA than whites

      Jason - 2012-05-17 15:31

      Unfortunately there was never enough educated South Africans pre 94 and post 94 to vote for the DA. DA will hold Western Cape, that's all I care about since I live here. ;)

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 15:48

      THEY ARE NOW CENSORING US! STAND READY!

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 15:57

      https://twitter.com/#!/Paulachowles/status/203120827162558464/photo/1 NEWS24 this is a story suggestion ;)

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:12

      @lesetjam - Seriously, you are the only one that needs to think. Its a government policy, the ANC is the government. Get your head out of your a**

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 16:27

      They all do say the same thing.... they are like sheep. AND if they step out from the flock they become biltong...

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:40

      @lesetjam - Do you know how to read? or is it just selective and you choose what you want to read? "The treasury had budgeted R5bn for the subsidy, but the money is "stagnating" in the budget, despite record levels of youth unemployment." Why must they pull it out of their provinces budget when its sitting there?

      Phuti - 2012-05-17 22:22

      Yes,cos she is a simple of apartheid .y wud we have DA as an opposition party?ANC shall rule forever as long as the DA apply this stupid tactics to woo black voters.

      Leon - 2012-05-18 13:15

      @lesetjam the da did do a study of this in western cape. with a budget of R30 million they created 2000 sustained jobs for the youth. this will increase in their next budget year.

      Edward - 2012-05-18 13:49

      @lesetjam; Training workers ALWAYS works. You are in a global economy now. Companies go where labor is inexpensive but they also need workers with skills. Subsidies that encourage employers to hire and then train workers aren't anything new, but they work. They also train workers to WORK. Work is a habit that is learned. When a person gets that first job and learns the pride of going off to work and bringing home a paycheck there is no way to teach them that. Until then they will be willing to sit on their butts and collect a government hand out. No, lesetjam you are wrong, it's not a guarantee, but these things work all the time. They did it in the U.S. during the great depression with millions and it worked. They built dams and highways and they got a decent wage for a day's work. Not exactly the same thing but similar. Can't for the life of me understand why it's being opposed by Cosatu.

  • Kabelo - 2012-05-17 14:23

    I dnt know why Cosatu is opposing DA. Because this jobs will benefit most black people.u have been given enough time to create jobs u failed even saving jobs (diarora mine) I never heared Cosatu protecting workers any were in the country.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 14:30

      Thank you for speaking out on your first hand experience Kabelo!

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:55

      Thanks Kabelo for saying it like it is, The DA is at least trying to fix the unemployment problem, Black people will soon agree with you, why not let them help.

      balan.morgen - 2012-05-17 16:28

      @ Sganja, now your Dom - pass degree that you hold say's it all

      balan.morgen - 2012-05-17 16:38

      @ Sganja, you are a big F##kin troll, big idiot, big racist and big mampara holding a Dompass Degree.

  • gerhard.nel - 2012-05-17 14:24

    "The exponential knock-on effect of these 423 000 opportunities would literally benefit millions more people, she said." You need to pass Economics 101 to understand this. Something Vavi clearly hasn't achieved yet.

  • E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 14:24

    Apartheid in reverse...?

      Gigo - 2012-05-17 14:29

      Einstein to your support DA march?

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 14:45

      i'm a little confused... huh?

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 15:00

      hahahaha! Comment sense?

      Bob - 2012-05-17 15:00

      Sganja, your ANC education is showing through again.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:06

      People - when you get troll remarks like from Sganja - just ignore them. Just make another tick on your mental troll list, and move on.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-05-17 15:14

      @Sqanja. You claim to be educated, although you admit by the ANC. Now we can understand why your comments make no sense and when queried, your reply makes even less sense. Yes, we support the DA march, if you have the common sense to understand this "comment" sense, as you put it. I suggest to go to one of the 'refugee' schools and get better educated.

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 15:32

      Sqanja - you need to stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Obviously I’m in favour of the DA march as Jannie pointed out, use your comment sense...

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-17 15:33

      Alan, but its so much fun arguing with ANC supporters watching them run around in circles :)

      alansmartSnr - 2012-05-17 19:32

      Hey E=MC2.. Why not use the right formula.. It bothers me. The correct symbol would be E=MC². or even E=M(Csquare). No offence intended - just finicky when it comes to science

      E=MC2 - 2012-05-18 09:35

      alansmartSnr - ive tried :) the profile doesnt accept ²... replaces it as a ?... as for putting 'square' in, well that just doesnt look the same ;)

  • Tony Lapson - 2012-05-17 14:25

    Cosatu! Why not come up with a plan? You want to play the blame game, yet you don't come up with any ideas?

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:10

      Its very hard for cosatu to plan, because they change their statements and points of view all the time. Yesterday, they had 4 different versions of what happened, and 4 different attempts at justifying them. Vavi is the ultimate chameleon.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:07

      @Tony, it seems like you do not know that COSATU placed its suggestions to the government many times. 1. COSATU says giving grants doesn't aleviate the problem ie look at what the HIV positive people grant has done to the nation. Poverty has forced people not to use condoms so that they can access the grant. 2. COSATU is calling for government to put a stop to corruption as it kills the economy by robbing it R30 Billion a year. That amount of money can assist majorly in ploughing back to eleviate poverty and unemployment 3. COSATU says government must restrict/ stop sending minerals out of the country in their raw form. they should refined in SA and sent export them as complete products. That refinery process may create significant employment which is now created in other countries. 4. COSATU says government must end labor brokering as it systems undermines and exploit the employees beacuse it allows "casualty or temp" employment. Government must enforce permanent employment. isn't this clear enough? COSATU is opposing government on its stance to choose "easy way out" in trying to resolve problems. Our government likes to throw money to a problem and that doesnt solve the root cause of the problem. COSATU says Youth Wage Subsidy isn't a bad thing but it has to be debated carefully to avoid adverse implications.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:22

      @siyadyosiba - if "COSATU says" jump off a cliff are u going to do that?

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:33

      @Peter, where r you going with that?

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:47

      @siyadyosiba - that you blindly believe everything they, COSATU, say but you reject all the hard facts and proof.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:58

      @Peter, I dont believe everything they say. I support everything that makes sense to me ie the four points I posted above. if you don't agree with the above four points, just tell which one and why.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 17:06

      @siyadyosiba - All of them well maybe not the third one. Firstly because this is not a grant, people still need to work to get the money. Grants are free and are expected to be paid back. Secondly Cosatu makes millions every month from union workers fees, which does not go back to any of the workers and does not create any more jobs and they actually benefited from the E-toll thing by affiliation with the construction companies. And for your last point again i bring you back to my point about union fees. Which they wont get because those people dont belong to unions, Cosatu, wants everyone to have a permanent job so they can retrieve more membership fees and Vavi can make more money off them

      Peter - 2012-05-17 17:19

      @siyadyosiba - by the way I thank you for debating politely, unlike someone other people on this forum that are extremely right wing to either of our political affiliations. I do respect your views and opinions

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 17:55

      @peter, COSATU doesnt take money from employees. COSATU is an umbrealla body in which trade unions affiliate. COSATU gets funding from the affiliated unions. I did not say subidy is grant. COSATU is not owned by anyone and its a non profit organization, so it is ridiculous to think that Vavi would be interested to make more money as if he will get commision or bonus. Money is not a concern in COSATU, better conditions of employees are. Just FYI, the affilaite unions invest member fee revenue locally and abroad to generate money for scholarships, busaries, death payouts, labor matters costs and many other things for the benefit of the members. I'm one of them and I'm happy to pay the R36 a month which in turn entitles me to these benefits. I hope you are now enlightened about Trade Union Movement.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 18:34

      @Peter, thanks to you for the great engagement. I sincerely respect your input and your views. I wish we can all, in news24, engage this way.

      Thami - 2012-05-17 21:52

      @siyadyosiba, well explained sir. I am 1 of the business people looking forward to the youth subsidy and couldn't understand why COSATU would block the subsidy. Actually their arguments makes sense and people are just making too much noise because they see an opportunity to line their pockets, which would defeat the intention of government's policy. Instead they march and buy face in the media rather than work with Cosatu to close the loopholes

  • Bryden - 2012-05-17 14:36

    As a young South African under 29 myself, I can testify as to just how difficult it is to find work in SA at the moment even with a masters in economics. I was one of the lucky ones who found meaningful work but it took me over a year of being told "You lack experience" before my current employer was brave enough to give me a chance to prove myself. This youth subsidy will help people in the same "experienceless" situation as myself find a starting position where they can gain experience and have a chance to prove their worth. Good on you DA for standing up for our right to be able to obtain meaningful work!!!

  • boitumelo.sechogela.9 - 2012-05-17 14:36

    Fighting 4 de unemployed My Foot! Where was DA whn Implats fired 17200 Black workers in Feb? Wat dd the Madam say? Not a single word. And they a fighting for the unemployed. Mxm! Cheap political publicity. And Y march to the Union and not the Government? DA is taking us 4 fools.

      Sharon - 2012-05-17 14:46

      That was an unprotected strike, Boitumelo. And the actions of the strikers did not encourage support. My, my, you seriously have a selective memory...

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:47

      Where was Cosatu when they got fired? The marched to Cosatu because your union friends are the only ones stopping the policy because they wont make money from membership fees of those 420 000 workers. You see Zille and DA and you lose all logical thought. The only reason you feel your being taken as a fool is because you are one...

      Gerhard - 2012-05-17 14:49

      And where was COSATU and the ANC when 17500 black workers lost their jobs? Not a single word! They were sipping their Johnny Walker Blue at the Sandton Hotel. Nobody is taking you for fools. If you are following the ANC, you are fools!

      Kyle 'Yeti' Evans - 2012-05-17 14:54

      Well where was the anc?? oh wait probably defrauding the eastern cape healthcare department by R800 million in 1 year!!! can definitely see how they are for the people!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 14:58

      OH boitumelo, you make me laugh. Why would DA march to union buildings when government are in SUPPORT of the Youth Wage Subsidy? Not too bright there are you?

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-17 15:24

      @Peter and Gerhard,NUM,affiliated to COSATU were responsible for negotiating with Amplats for the return of most of those workers back after their new union(maybe it was madam's)caused their sacking.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:33

      @Tankiso Mogoje NUM...affiliated to cosatu... thats still not cosatu, wake up

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:09

      IDIOT, where was Cosatu or your stupid ANC when Arora didn't pay its workers FOR TWO F**KING YEARS, where you YOU, dumb hypocrite !!!

      Timothy - 2012-05-18 13:42

      maybe you should look at the make up of the Implats board of directors before talking about madam...Mr Chairman...Dr Khotso Mokhele So please... dont bring your racist rambles here... besides... those oaks had jobs.. so they were not unemployed...

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 14:43

      @Boitumelo - I have one question, why should DA help or support the 17200 Black workers "when all those workers support the cANCer and Cusato"? Well sorry 99.9999999% of the 17200 Black workers. And between you and I, "YOU ARE TAKING YOURSLEF FOR A FOOL"!

      Mbavhalelo - 2012-05-18 18:08

      Boitumelo dont bother urself with a lot of dis racists commenting here on dis platform. Dont u see u are up against white ppl who have access 2 airtime, smart phones and computers 2 comment in numbers. Our people dont hv those resources cos of dem. Have u ever seen any white youth @ dat march, no y bcos dey have jobs y cos of de legacy of apartheid. If blck ppl vote 4 zille den dey are realy fools who will always b tempted by food viva Julias

  • Msika - 2012-05-17 14:36

    This youth wage policy that Zille is proposing will benefit the youth, yes, but what will happen when those poeple have grown up? Like Vavi said, they will be kicked out of the street and replaced by other young poeple by the rich employers who will be benefiting from this. So Zille's only focused on the youth. What are about the other poeple on the age group? DA must propose/implement policies that will benefit all South Africans (black or white, young and old, rich and poor).

      michael.a.devilliers - 2012-05-17 14:42

      When they have grown up they will use the experience to get another job. One that would not be possible to get if they had no experience.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:44

      Those people will have work experience and can then demand better salaries and can pay for better education... Jeez is it that hard a concept to grasp? All you see is Zille and you get ontop of your high horse without even thinking things through

      Sharon - 2012-05-17 14:50

      They will have work experience! You can't buy that. It will certainly give them a better opportunity to find employment elsewhere, maybe even start their own business and employ people too. Don't be so shortsighted, Msika - this scheme is not just to help young people now, the benefits will carry on for a very long time!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 14:58

      Like Vavi says.. Like Vavi says ... Good grief are you unable to think for yourself?

      peter.roux1 - 2012-05-17 15:17

      To "kick out" a trained and skilled worker would be the dumbest thing a employer could do to his business,try clear your mind of communist fog.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:24

      Like Vavi says .. until he changes his mind .. then he says... until he changes it again..... Chameleon

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:25

      The youth subsidy is a model that works well elsewhere in the world. If our economy grows, our tax base grows, and we are all winners.

  • Prince - 2012-05-17 14:37

    Maybe Zille is right abt de money dat is lying der nt bein in use, bt wat im worried abt is de real motive for de protest, i mean dez probably a bigger picture shez concentrating on, i rili dnt trust de politians, dey use us for deir own benefit

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 14:59

      So what? If 420,000 people get jobs who cares! While you mistrusting her people go hungry..

      Prince - 2012-05-17 15:10

      If she rili cared abt ppl she shud hv concentrated on de skul dat is writing on 2ltr ice-cream containers in her province

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:18

      @Prince, that has already been resolved. The school will be getting new tables and teachers. Aren't the open toilets in the Free State still open?

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:20

      "dey use us for deir own benefit" I promise you on my life that the ANC is doing the exact same thing to you

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:25

      gimme dat weed maan

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-05-17 15:58

      Prince, you like a few others, are scared of the 'hidden agenda', but not one was able to name what may be the 'true' reason for her performance. All you people speaking against the DA are only using generalised accusations, but not one specific reason for your reasoning other than the colour-card. When the ANC is attacked, lots of particular incidents, corruption and theft, so we have a rock to stand on with our accusations. The opposers of the DA and the good they are doing for the province and for the country are however building their castles on sand. You know the story of the boy that was cross with his teacher and therefor refused an icecream from his mom? Think about that.

      Bobby - 2012-05-18 06:46

      Both COSATU and DA are aiming to get as much as possible support from upcoming black young workers, the emerging middle class. They are full onin competition. That is the bigger picture here in my view.

  • sika.ncamane - 2012-05-17 14:38

    Zille stop saying putting pressure on the Government, you are part of the government which is under the Administration of another party....that makes you look like you don't know who or why you are in parliament. Raise these issues at relevant forums thank you.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 14:59

      And what would the relevant forums be if not infront of the public to prove that COSATU are just a bunch of rock throwing barbarians with no understanding of the world

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:00

      Huh? Your forgiven.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:12

      OMG, dumb fool

  • donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-05-17 14:40

    Shut up! to all the cANCer trolls who have crept out of their holes,when u elected a corrupt rapist as president of this country you blew it,your opinions are irrelevant,cos u have proven yourself visionless and stupid,leave the debating to us intelligent and rationally thinking human beings.VIVA DA!!

  • donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-05-17 14:41

    Shut to all the cANCer trolls who have crept out of their holes,when u elected a corrupt rapist as president of this country you blew it,your opinions are irrelevant,cos u have proven yourself visionless and stupid,leave the debating to us intelligent and rationally thinking human beings.VIVA DA!!

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 15:02

      Play the ball not the man, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I would rather ask why they feel that they still can't vote for the DA to understand their point of view and to make sure they are not misinformed. I disagree with the ANC, and i am not quite sure that the DA is the answer - THAT is my opinion

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-17 15:16

      Intellectuals are not judgemental and foul mouthed like you are you little dumb prick.NXA.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:22

      @Ted - Do you actually live in SA? it still is run by cold blooded killers, ever hear of a guy called Richard mdluli?

      Raymond - 2012-05-17 15:35

      It still is Ted, what's your point?

      Hannes - 2012-05-17 15:38

      @TED you clearly have no knowledge of the history of the ANC google CAMP QUADRO......

  • stefan.vanderspuy - 2012-05-17 14:41

    I believe the DA is not aggressive enough in their marketing campaign and methods being applied to get more South Africans to vote for them. To get pelted by rocks might win them a little sympathy, but is still not going to get your unemployed 25-year old black ANC supporter to vote for them. Put a job offer, which includes training, in his hands and things might change. Zille's got to go full tilt, and her lieutenants need to put in the extra mile. South Africa needs out-of-the box ideas and thinking to turn the tide. The ANC can't do it.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:01

      Yup, the DA spin doctors need to get back to the "war room" and immediately bring something to show!

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:30

      Well - i'm not so sure. At very least, cosatu got shown up for what they really are, and have a lot of egg on their faces. Vavi and co's justifications just made them look worse. So that has to be a big positive at least.

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-05-17 14:44

    Madam zille Iam absolutely 1000% behind you and the DA, keep accelerating we need a regime change in south Africa 18yrs so far without any progress its enough, the only people who have benefited from this current regime are the ones with a famous surnames and also those who are related to the top brass of this current government, enough is enough ANC and your crook allies get out of the way real and genuine south Africans are sick and tired of your actions.

  • Anele - 2012-05-17 14:45

    As a black young SA i can't vote 4 DA for many reasons and I'm appealing to those who are fooled by zille to step out mna andimfuni tu

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 14:50

      Please could you tell me what your reasons are? I know it is your choise and personal preference, but i would like to know that you are not misinformed.

      goodman.segage - 2012-05-17 14:51

      Noted.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-05-17 14:51

      If you can present any facts, that would help your plea... Remember, not propaganda, but facts.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:03

      Would love to know your reasons. YOUR reasons, not what has been spoonfed to you..

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:06

      Why can you not vote for the DA as a young Black S/African?

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:40

      @Nigel - coz the anc gives me chickens and mealie meal at election time.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:16

      ever though of creating an opposition party, if you can't vote for the DA because the leader is white, well get off your ass & create black opposition, or are you happy with begin used like a condom for the rest of your life.

      Timothy - 2012-05-18 13:46

      very good! you can suffer with the rest when the famine comes. make sure you recite your reasons then

  • The-third - 2012-05-17 14:50

    You go girl ;-) hehehe.

      Gigo - 2012-05-17 14:57

      Zille is not a girl,where are your manners?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 15:08

      I think she is a girl...she has all the girl parts...

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:40

      Ignore the Troll people. Not even a thumbs down.

  • DrGonzoSA - 2012-05-17 14:51

    What's funniest about this is that it's the one thing that the DA and ANC actually agree on. Perhaps Cosatu should be reminded of this.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:41

      Anc is scared sh*tless of cosatu

  • zolisa.dlokovu - 2012-05-17 14:52

    I am happy that Pres Jacob Zuma said that the youth wage subsidy will go ahead as planned.This programme has been used in many countries.Why Cosatu is blocking it?Lets wait and c who is running the country ; Pres Zuma / Mr Vavi?

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:42

      hmm - now that is a good question! Seems like neither, yet the anc fears cosatu, and cosatu will blow with the wind.

  • pollen.nkuna - 2012-05-17 14:54

    Realy why didn't they march to Luthuli house? Who is the Government? ANC or COSATU? cleary this was just a publicity stunt, Zille doesnt care about any of us black south africans, we cannot be manipulated by this woman. gone are those days.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:05

      Sigh, really, there is enough articles on this so please do not show your ignorance. ANC and DA WANT the youth wage subsidy but COSATU is blocking it, why would the DA march on a party in agreement?? Simple common sense pollen..

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:08

      They marched to Cosatu because they are the organisation opposing this drive. Really, is this so difficult to understand?

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:24

      @PointBlank - Thank you, if i ahd to repeat myself again im prolly gonna jump off a building. But hopefully the more we repeat facts the sooner people will get the point

      desmond.joshua2 - 2012-05-17 15:26

      you were still hanging on your tata's ballas,that is why you are talking qhoenjha.

      Alan - 2012-05-17 15:42

      troll alert

      Kyle - 2012-05-17 15:56

      @pollen - yet you manipulated by the ANC every day!! you really believe that they care about "their" people?? don't be foolish now!!

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:17

      Cosatu is the ANC, if you didn't know this by now then you are really dumb.

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 14:59

      @ Peter - Keep on hoping for that, becasue the way I see it these TROLLS will never get it. The only thing they get is Chicken and Mielie meel at the elections.

  • Cornelius - 2012-05-17 14:55

    There is now a tendency of megaphone politics in South Africa. It started with the President belting out Umshini Wam to his audience and then it was Malema with Dubula Boer and screaming at everyone who was showing common sense. Now it is Zille and Mazibuko running up and down the streets shouting and screaming for cameras. I wish if problems could go with noise making!!

      Cornelius - 2012-05-17 15:20

      Hahahahahaha!! @ David, who said I am white. May be you think anyone who raises a good point is white or is it my english name.

      Alfred Luis - 2012-05-17 15:36

      I'll like to appeal to everyone who bothers to read comments on this site not 2 post their counter urguments the comments of morons like tony,mike,fairness,alan to name but a few,bcos they always hail insults,call everyone names who has a different view to theirs,that's lack of maturity on their side*sad*

  • siyana.numsa - 2012-05-17 15:02

    South African who do not lose their minds because they are hungry knows very well that DA is just using the Youth Wage Subsidy to intensify its protection of the white capitalist so that they can continue to suck blood of the un-epmolyed youth under a new name called Youth Wage subsidy, How on earth if it care about the un-employed youth to promote slavery, It is cleare that if Da can be in power one day we can go back to the Days where black people not allowed to be equal to the white population in-terms of remuneration. They can full few blacks but not all, Cosatu has been protecting the rights of the workers not now even during the Apartheid time.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:31

      I suggest you go and actually read about the Youth Wage Subsidy. Your comment is terribly ignorant.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:32

      Your opinions are driven by fear, that's all. Oh, and you have been seriously brain washed, and whoever did that to you is definitely not your friend.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:22

      brainwashed, get help.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-18 09:52

      @Craig, nonsense they do not get below minimum wage, the company will pay them and the rest is SUBSIDISED, hence the name "youth wage subsidy". What you fail in on a fundamental issue is that these youths are already sitting doing nothing, get them to be doing SOMETHING earning SOMETHING learning SOMETHING..

      Dexter - 2012-05-18 15:41

      I still have the brains to side with whoever I want, meaning if the DA turns corrupt, I will support someone else. You will forever be a slave to Cosatu or the ANC no matter what they do or how many voters they disappoint. That is so sad, but good luck anyway, I'd like to see how your pipe dream turns out in the end ;)

  • Daz - 2012-05-17 15:03

    I think the DA is a part ythat as all of the best interests in mind for both black AND white. But of course until we stop all of this racial nonsense ANC will probably stay in power, despite doing F-ALL the past 20 years. SAY IT LOUD - I'M BLACK AND I SUPPORT THE DA - AND I'M PROUD! ;-)

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:32

      Pat, your racist diatribe is the reason more black people are voting DA. It is not white people that are the problem anymore, judging by the majority of black comments they full of racism and hatred.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:01

      @Pat - The ANC buys you a new shirt every election, you are honestly thick as 2 bricks

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-18 09:55

      No Craig, you cannot express your opinion as fact. The problem in this country is that everyone has an opinion which they believe in so strongly that even in the face of overwhelmingly powerful evidence and fact they still stubbornly in denial.

      Dexter - 2012-05-18 15:46

      @Pat, i'd like to see how long will be able to live under juju or mugabe, Zimbabwe is a total F#$$up and people like you are turning SA into one. This is not your father's land, it's ours, like it or not. You just need to wake up and stop being an ignorant #$$%

      Dexter - 2012-05-18 15:47

      Our land, I'm referring to all South Africans :)

  • Njabulo - 2012-05-17 15:05

    The DA is definitely not the answer to SA Youth Problems, what I saw was da DA creating blk on blk violence with a few other races being caught in the crossifire like apartheid. Why don't they march on real issues like Education and Health. I mean if the Youth are properly educated in the relevant fields then jobs are plenty, read da jobmail and see these job sites. Yes the ANC is messed up but da DA is not the answer they jst trying to steal blk votes

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:12

      Actually COSATU called and summoned their thugs illegally to COSATU house - THEY caused the violence. Get your story straight my friend, twisting the facts doesn't change the facts.

      Njabulo - 2012-05-17 15:18

      Pwhy would they march to Cosatu house firstly when Gov is the one who they should be pressuring. Pls don't forget that all along the WC was run by the ANC and not forgetting that in the WC its only the surbubs that you speak off, whereas in areas were majority of the voters are poverty is rifen so you can't keep saying the DA made WC when infact it was ANC run

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:27

      @Njabulo - Because government will never stand against Cosatu they would lose too many votes, the policy was around since 2009 how much longer must it sit while government does nothing? 420 000 jobs for 3 years getting paid every month. Please think before you comment

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:34

      Njabulo, when the DA took the WC it was so wrought with corruption that it took the DA years to turn it around. the facts are freely available and not DA propaganda. You forget that COSATU have members in parliment as part of there deal with the ANC as a partner, it is these ministers that keep blocking the YWS hence the DA's march to COSATU.. The ANC dont have the balls to take them on as the voter roll will fall.

      mainganye - 2012-05-17 15:38

      ....ok, so u say that the ANC is messed up, but the DA is not the answer... so what is the answer then??? To fold our arms and continue to watch things being messed up???? Because, heaven forbid, we cant allow black votes to be "stolen"?!?!?

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:38

      "I mean if the Youth are properly educated in the relevant fields then jobs are plenty,..". Oh, so there is no unemployment? These lies are not going to hold up any more. You can see from the 'like' / 'don't like' indications all over these comment pages and on various topics, that people have 'grown-up' and become wiser. They're not fooled by the ANC propaganda any more.

      Kyle - 2012-05-17 16:09

      I completely agree with Emuel. How are people so blind that they can't see the obvious!! it baffles my mind!!!

      Njabulo - 2012-05-17 21:42

      The ANC is corrupt yes, they exploit especially the middle-class. But @ least they come up with things. The DA has never developed a darn thing to help the people, all they do is sit in da corner wait for Gov to come up wit sumthn and then cry fowl. Then expect people to support their devious ways hence I say DA is not the answer, especially not whilst they under Helen Zille

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 02:16

      Wrong, Njabulo. The DA (especially in PE) have come up with many workable solutions to the countless problems we have in our City. Because they are not the majority, they get shouted down for speaking sense because we are a hotbed for corruption and factionalism. Unfortunately the power lies in the purse-strings. And that is controlled by the ANC - whichever way you look at it.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-05-18 10:27

      @Njabulo. I am not going to discuss the issue if DA is the answer or not, but the statement you made on what the ANC done in WC and the DA on doing is so out of context. Or you are not living in WC, like me, or you are blind. No, I am not talking of the so called 'white suburbs" In this short time of ruling they fixed most of the ANC's mistakes and negligence and they now building at a good speed. Like I said, if they are the answer or not, it is your personal call, but give credit where deserved.

  • TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-17 15:11

    it better be a turning point because it cost people injuries!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:19

      SO did the fight against apartheid.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-05-17 15:59

      true PointBlank - sacrifice...

  • Malavi10 - 2012-05-17 15:14

    Dream on Helen keep snoozing!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:35

      When the DA govern we will come wake you up with a nice cup of coffee - I presume it will be black?

  • Henry - 2012-05-17 15:16

    A turning ponint for her. Flying all the way from Cape Town, seduce and cause riot in Jhb's really the work of a genius. Shame on her. There are now some casualties caused, on that day (thnks to her

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:30

      Apparently your a casualty of the education system under the ANC rule

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 15:34

      COSATU chose to resort to violence. The could have taken receipt of the memorandum in a civil fashion and behind closed doors burnt it... The chose to be publicly violent!

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:53

      Well the ANC & Cosatu do this all the time and with much more damage and injuries, so what's wrong?

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:15

      @Henry - thanks to you this government is run by a bunch of thieving bast£rds! Not to mention our president is a rapist!

  • neels.swart.7 - 2012-05-17 15:18

    To me there is no difference between the ANC and the DA. Black people think lf they see DA they see white people well you are very wrong. Well Zille go and campaign in the black townships as a whity I am not interested in your black party. Cheers

      Malavi10 - 2012-05-17 15:23

      Cheers! The feeling is mutual...

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 15:37

      Apartheid has created a stupid blind racist out of you, so, run along.

      dentamokhabz - 2012-05-17 15:49

      Your forefather mind of verwoed of apartheid is running riot in your mind. How stupid thinking you are carrying.

      Tankiso Mogoje - 2012-05-17 16:14

      Who cares,take your vote go into your bedroom and shove it where the sun never shines

  • renesongs - 2012-05-17 15:26

    The market mechanics of Labour unions is to derive the greatest benefit for their members, the employed, and keep out non members, the unemployed, thus keeping the demand and therefore cost of labour high. So It doesn't surprise me one bit that COSATU would resort to savagery to restrict entry into the labour market.

  • Hadebe - 2012-05-17 15:27

    DA is causing all this harping n barking bocaouse they are very well aware that whites bussiness owners stood to benefit immensely from this, its not a secret anymore that whites own a sizeble percent of bussiness in sa, most blacks are just fronters, so whatever the DA does, it has the interests of whites in its racist heart, poor blacks, they are just used to toy toy becaouse it is perceived, by DA that they are only good at that, my fellow people ANC migth be blundering, but plse stop the nonsense notion that DA will ever be a solution to your problems.

      eil33nn - 2012-05-17 15:35

      You are a nitwit that can't see past your racist vision...

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:37

      Yes white people do own the majorty of companies in SA because, well, they created and built them silly.

      njabs.ngcobo - 2012-05-17 15:38

      Im not into these politics n parties but this statement you have made hee is 100% bang on!!! I'd rather vote a corrupt ANC then give more power to the Whites colonialists.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:43

      @Hadebe + njabs.ngcobo - Neither of you deserve a civil society you are so blinded by hatred that you cannot see past the lies. Why are you so scared of 9% of a population of 50 MILLION? Are you so paranoid?

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:56

      The comments of another brainwashed racist living in fear of a real united SA with a real democracy.

      eleanore.hill - 2012-05-17 19:04

      Hadebe, this is what I don't understand. One of the biggest complaints of people leaving either school or university,is they don't have job experience and therefore are not hired. So, the DA (hate them or like them) decided to make a plan to help these people, and now some people don't want it because its not your party or color offering it. Yes, businesses are going to benefit, but not as much as you think, as it costs money and takes time to train people. The people getting the chance to learn are going to be able to possibly either get a job at the place that hired them on the program or somewhere else. Think about it man, what if you had a small business like an accountancy business and you do well for yourself but don't have enough for a salary for a university graduate? You want to teach someone and you want to show them how to do things. You apply. You get an unemployed job seeker and you teach them the trade. They decide to walk out? Guess what? They know how the business works and can go look for a job elsewhere. How on earth do you think that is a bad thing for a kid who grew up tough, but worked hard to get somewhere?

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:18

      Hadebe you are still wet behind the ears!

  • sandile.magnificent - 2012-05-17 15:27

    I think zille should sail back to holland.

  • sandile.magnificent - 2012-05-17 15:27

    I think zille should sail back to holland.

      Malavi10 - 2012-05-17 15:30

      n take Lindiwe with.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-05-17 15:37

      Denial can be a bitch hey. The blue wave is coming!!

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 15:37

      BACK TO ZIMBABWE WITH THE BOTH OF YOU! YOU BE PARAMEDICS!!!! THE ZIMBABWEAN KIND!! RESCUING PEOPLE IN WHEELBARROWS!

      joe.peters.56 - 2012-05-17 15:42

      Sure she can. Then will you and your family start praying to the ancestors only instead of white jesus, and go back to wearing animal skins instead of these western colonial threads called clothes?

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:44

      Go back to central africa first

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:22

      @Malavi10 - Maybe put a weight around your ankle and drop you off in the middle of the ocean?

  • George - 2012-05-17 15:29

    OK, I support the youth wage subsidy and appreciate that Cosatu is highly becoming a laughing stock. Even Jayzee stood up and said the youth wage subsidy is going to stay, but why on earth is 18-20 years old not in school? These should surely still be in tertiary school? How do we allow 18yrs old to work if they can't even legally buy booze and cigarette for themselves? Please subsidise the young lads to go to school. Cosatu must do away with this VAVI person. He has hgone past his use by date.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 15:46

      Tertiary education is expensive, this gives them the oppurtunity to afford it

      George - 2012-05-17 16:17

      @Peter, hence I said, subsidise the youn lads to go to school. You'are quick to write but slow to read.

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:54

      @@Mpaketsane24 - apparently you dont read the other news articles, send them to schools that dont have books? doesnt sound like a good solution to me

  • Nigel - 2012-05-17 15:48

    VOTE FOR THE DA AND HELP THE UNEMPLOYED GET JOBS!!!!!! The ANC & their communist Job destroyers, Cosatu are the ones screwing the poor, The ANC & of Cosatu thugs know that the day is coming when the youth & the unemployed stop blindly voting for them & start voting for parties like the DA that really do care about creating jobs, VIVA DA, the time is now!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Emmanuel - 2012-05-17 15:50

    If this money is given to companies, who can track its usage? I am against it as well

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 02:23

      SARS, Emmanuel. Read the entire article. Ask Malema how it feels to have them crawling up your uhm 'leg'.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 15:51

    Oh Please coming Zille you knew it was gonna come to that violence and you did deliberately to discredit COSATU and ANC for your own political benefit. We know that you are manipulative and always seek cracks to dismantle the unity of black poeple. Zille is playing a very dangerous game and she will get burnt very soon, mark my words.

      dominique.adonis - 2012-05-17 15:58

      we will mark your words... sadly so.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:01

      Too late, she is already burning them. Sorry

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:15

      Hellen is playing dangerously and I can tell you ths is going to create black on black fighting. But as soon as the poeple realise she is the cause, it will turn to black to white violence. We need to careful and cautious about these things. Hellen is not doing justice to this country. If you are blind, its your own problem.

  • Stacey-Lee Yates - 2012-05-17 15:52

    Hi everyone, if you look beyond the color of Helen's skin and back in her history instead, you will read that she is instrumental in the struggle to rid South Africa of apartheid. Go visit Wikipedia for the info.

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:00

      Yes but this is not what the racists want to hear because it flaws all their arguments and propaganda.

      Skhumbuzo - 2012-05-17 16:20

      I quote\Never shall we ever give this land back to the hands of the minority\

      Nigel - 2012-05-17 16:37

      @ Skhumbuzo: Who the hell wants that? That wouldn't be a democracy would it? Seems like you're lost or have been left behind. Come along now, wake up and try and stay with us.

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 17:03

      Sonofabeacon, id like to get the info u talking about, i live in mpumalanga, dont knw where wikipedia is, in the western cape perhaps?

      eil33nn - 2012-05-18 11:46

      @Hadebe, WOW, you just really showed how illiterate you really are...wikipedia is an online enciclopedia... www.wikipedia.org or the exact place, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille

  • Louis - 2012-05-17 15:54

    I pity the blacks that continue to make this a white vs black issue and still blame whites for their shortcomings today. I wonder if anyone can tell me why is it that south africa has so much more to offer than the rest of africa? Why is it that our infrastructure is so much better? Why is it that we have the largest economy in africa? How many whites were killed in the anglo-boer war 1899-1902 and how many whites do you hear blaming that for the fact that for anything that has happened? There are 45million blacks in RSA and 4million whites, yet the majority of blacks prefer complaining and blaming to getting up and doing something constructive.

      Zakhe Cele - 2012-05-17 16:23

      as 'fascinating' as your comment is I fail to see how it relates to a protest march that got violent. we see it all the time

      George - 2012-05-17 16:28

      That's the dumbest thing ever said. What is your point exactly? I am complaining about lunatics like you. Blacks were part of the ango-boer war if you know your history. Whites are not complaining because they got what they were fighting for. Blacks don't have what they fought for. See the difference?

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 16:44

      Hey u just shut up if u hen nothing left to say huh, whites have been complaining about it from 1902-1948. Did u ever heard blacks complaining about dimfecane?

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 16:55

      @emuel, better for whites they had land to build whatever u said they built, what do we have? nothing, just the freedom to stay in town if we chose to, without the means to relocate. how can the anc build such maga structures as u claim the np built, we 1st have to spend trillions of rand trying to get the land from u guys, why cant u just let go of the land n see what happens? And please dont u come here lying that u worked very hard for it, u just grabbed zimbabwean style. n u just continued with infrastructure.

      Louis - 2012-05-17 17:19

      If you read many of the comments on here, you will see why I made this comment. This is exactly why we are stuck throwing stones at each other whilst the Western world progressed and still progresses despite their financial challenges. Everyone comes back to these issues regardless of the topic. Oh and I would never make comments about events that I am not well informed of, so I fully realise that blacks were involved in the Boer war - not too sure how relevant that was to my comment either. Back to the article - I think both sides are ridiculous for throwing stones at each other; how primitive - don't see how it will change anything. People in this country just can't sit and have a decent and constructive conversation with each other.

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:34

      @Hadebe - Face the facts even if there were not any white people in South Africa the infrastructure would of never been there. The whole of Africa is your proof! SO be thankful and help build this nation together and stop wining like you always do!

  • wikus.schalkwyk - 2012-05-17 15:59

    Why should I pay for someone else, who does not work?

  • Steven Trollip - 2012-05-17 16:03

    @Hadebe.blablabla you feel like yove being used as a condome.a used one.!!!!!back to your box now!!!!

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 16:18

      Poor imbecile, what are trying to blubber about, cant understand a word. Are u sure u okay? took your pills today? is dat what u trying to say? somebody stole your box? shame!! But ul be okay neh, just hold on there.

  • Mike - 2012-05-17 16:03

    Africa here we come, use Mabeki as the negotiator

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:39

      And let the Whisky flow!!!

  • Bheki Nas - 2012-05-17 16:08

    wage subsidy...it is only a 12 month programme rather provide training programme for unemployed youth..im totally against it.. it sucks...how long they gna subsidise those wages?im not ANC/DA member.

      Jean - 2012-05-17 16:19

      they need jobs, an income! How can you not figure that out? How will training help them? They can pick up skills during employment!

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 02:29

      Read the comments on 20 000 training in the army, and weep.

  • Ntshebe - 2012-05-17 16:11

    Helen at it again, trying to enrich the already fat white employers at the expense of the poor masses. How about we first distribute resources equally then implement the wage subsidy....

      Jacque - 2012-05-17 16:14

      how about you work for equality instead of expecting everything be given to you. atleast zille is trying to fight for unemployment, i dont see the anc doing the same. o and btw, whites are a minority in SA, so she is fighting for majority black unemployed youth. but you are to brainless to see that.

  • Peter - 2012-05-17 16:14

    @lesetjam - Did you bother to even read the article where is said its worked around the world?

      Peter - 2012-05-17 16:57

      @lesetjam - This was not one of those policies. They are tanking because they loan too much money to other countries and start wars in the middle east

      Kenny - 2012-05-18 15:45

      @Lestjam - You should do your homework before you make such a stupid remark like that. The reason the european markets are crashing is because some countries lied about their financial status when they applied for the Euro! Look at Germany, France, Holland they have this system and it is working just fine.

  • George - 2012-05-17 16:22

    COSATU has a membership of 2 Million out of a population of 50 million citizens. They have a democratic right to peacefully state their case. Yet, they chose the road of violence. Cabinet has chosen to pursue violence against the citizens of SA by pursuing the irrational, unreasonable and impractical e-tolling scam. By doing so they too have demonstrated contempt for the democratic process. The ancestors are deeply troubled and the tokoloshe will visit many people. The madness continues.

  • Kyle - 2012-05-17 16:24

    To all the blacks who assume the DA is trying to steal black votes, look again.. It is the ANC that is taking black votes for granted. We'll never progress if race is always the key issue you fall back on. ANC, i wish you'd burn to dust. You are no longer a party about the freedom of the people. South Africans that can't see that are as blind as bats.

      peter.roux1 - 2012-05-17 17:04

      You cannot "steal a vote" you " win a vote" by presenting an alternative.

  • peter.roux1 - 2012-05-17 16:29

    I,m confused, should this subsidy materialize and I employ a worker who then joined Cosatu,would he then strike against his own job?Eish South Africa.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:43

      don't make me laugh please HAHAHAHAHAHA

  • George - 2012-05-17 16:32

    This cANCerous government has had 20 years to improve the lives of South Africans. They have failed miserably on every score. They should make way for the DA. There simply is no alternative. Will they do so peacefully or are we going the way of Egypt with mass demonstrations degenerating into civil war. The world will be the looser. Mandela can only be a sad, disillusioned man, betrayed by those who became corrupt in exile and brought their poison back to SA.

      Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-05-17 16:57

      Retard! You can't even count...

      Prince - 2012-05-17 20:44

      Ya de cANCer government is still tryn to wat de previous government did, like stealn everything

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 02:36

      Let's be fair. Only a few cars can go from 0-100km's in a couple of seconds. It took the Afrikaners 48 years to build the country up after the destruction of the Anglo Boer War. Mind you, they didn't destroy as they built, as the Cosatus of this Country are doing.

      Tyran Von Bear - 2012-05-18 07:30

      Well said!

  • Mutsila - 2012-05-17 16:36

    I will never vote for a white party again, this people doesn't have respect for black south Africans, if you read news24 comments like I do you end up hating everything white, sis, use your brains people

      Kyle - 2012-05-17 16:40

      well good luck to you and ur racist dreams. Ur a problem, not a solution. Keep dreaming.

      Hadebe - 2012-05-17 17:23

      Honestly, when i visited this site, i was a DA voter, God is my witness, but the whites here recruited me back to ANC, they made me realise its not about ANC blundering, but more of a racial thing, they still have the superiority over black complex.

      Kyle - 2012-05-17 17:28

      its not about superiority. Its about civility. This government is uncivilised. If you don't think so, then where did 30billion rand disappear to last year? You just can't get passed skin colour, can you.

      Mutsila - 2012-05-17 17:37

      @Hadebe, I have been canvassing for the DA in the last 3 municipal elections, but after reading news24 comments, eish. @Kyle, you made me racist

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-17 17:39

      Man you should get out more. Just today I was sitting in a meeting, and 2 of the guys that was present were representatives from the southern cape prison board. The black guy, was the white mans superior, but the way they complimented eachother was brilliant. I really liked what i saw. But it's not the first time im seeing this. This is becoming more and more widespread. Go out and see how the blacks and whites are working side by side in the business sector. Its a beautifull sight :)

      Kyle - 2012-05-17 18:06

      mutsila i didn't make you racist. Ur just looking for an excuse. U hate whites like u hate the tokolos.. Cultural stigmata on ur hands, not mine.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-05-18 02:38

      You shoudn't read 100000 against Malema then. You will probably commit suicide at the level of racism there. Sick puppies all around. Read wih an open mind, Chedza. Not everyone is racist.

      Tyran Von Bear - 2012-05-18 07:28

      Goes both ways.

  • tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-17 16:38

    I feel very bad when leaders condone violence. I would also appreciate ANCWL's condemnation of violence behavior by Cosatu members against DA.The DA had a valid point which is youth wage subsidy but selfish unproductive pension bound adults seem to prepared to defend their greed by violence. How can parents throw stones to their children? Whose children are these youth? One day our leaders will exprience this violence first-handed if this youth unemployment is not addressed.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 16:49

      my brother please answer the following questions. 1. Did DA engage COSATU to discuss their difference on this subject? If No, why? 2. Did DA know that marching to COSATU may end up in violence as COSATU indicated before the march that they will prevent DA? If yes, why did they continue? 3. Do you really believe that DA in this matter is sincere and has interest of the youth at heart?

      peter.roux1 - 2012-05-17 17:13

      To answer siyadyosiba s 3 questions 1. Yes,they have been engaging them in every way since this subject arose. 2.Yes,everyone knows Cosatu is a violent organization and they continued as it is their right. 3. Well,that question can be asked of Cosatu.

      tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-17 17:17

      Who has youth's interest in heart.

      Hudayfah - 2012-05-17 17:26

      I'm sorry what? So if cosatu threatens with violence then everyone should go into hiding? What kind of logic is that? It was a LEGAL march.Cosatu's march was ILLEGAL. How can the fighting be DA's fault? Cosatu march's whenever they want, why do they threaten others that march? Bunch of thugs.

      TSOTSI Smilification - 2012-05-17 17:31

      tshivhombelaf - They were mostly woman and children... Cosatu have forgotten the youth, they have forgotten their roots. They have forgotten Mandela's democracy.

      tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-17 17:51

      This country belongs to all of us.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-05-17 18:27

      @peter, 1. You are wrong they never engaged in a bilateral and discussed their differences in the matter. Please don't lie. They only discussed these in public forums and parliament. 2. Yes they have a right but is "right to march" comes before "safety of the people"? I doubt it does unless you dont care about the people. we knew that violence was gonna spark as COSATU warned. should DA continue with march. After all, why march to COSATU not government? COSATU does not implement policies, government does. Why not march to union buildings? 3. I understand why you can't answer that question. Lastly, as the taxi drivers cause accidents everyday on our roads, stealing from the government by not paying taxes. would it be wise to exercise our right and march to them to say "stop driving these taxes until you pay taxes, have roadworthy taxis and drive carefully on the roads"? I personally wouldn't engage in such a stupid and suicidal march. You guys would go ahead and exercise your rights against the taxi drivers. I will left behind watch you going into pieces with your "rights" on your hands. I dont condone the violence but my point is that DA is using our people to settle a political score. They never had their safety and interest at heart.

      tshivhombelaf - 2012-05-17 19:09

      Who are your people?

  • Mario Bisogno - 2012-05-17 17:13

    Madam is only trying to create jobs.she goes to work to do her job.and if we let her she would do her best to take people out of poverty.to creat a better afrca for every one.