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Zille 'politicising gang violence'

2012-07-10 09:08

Cape Town - Western Cape Premier Helen Zille has asked President Jacob Zuma to deploy defence force members to gang-ridden areas, she said on Tuesday.

In a letter sent to the presidency on Monday, she asked for troops to be sent at once to Lavender Hill and Hanover Park on the Cape Flats, which had both seen a "serious spike" in gang-related deaths.

"While the SA police service have deployed extra resources to these areas, gang violence has continued unabated. It is clear that the current situation is beyond the capacity of the SAPS to control," she said.

"They need the support of the SA National Defence Force to restore order in these suburbs while they proceed with the task of investigative policing."

At least 23 people, including seven children, had died as a result of gangs in recent months.

In her letter, Zille said the deployment of the SANDF in gang hotspots over December had seen a marked improvement in safety levels.

Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula were sent copies of the letter.

'Police-bashing'


Some organisations however questioned Zille's plan. The Provincial Community Policing Forum Board told the Cape Times Zille had been politicising gang violence and "police-bashing" for the last two weeks, which showed gangsters that there was no unity.

"Police should not always be blamed. There are residents protecting gangsters. I don't think we are here to show the world we have bad policing, something Zille seemingly wants to show. It undermines policing in the country," chairperson Hanif Loonat said.

The Institute for Security Studies was quoted in the newspaper as saying the army could be sent in only under exceptional circumstances, such as when public order broke down, or state security was threatened.

Senior researcher Johan Burger said provincial police should be dealing with the gangs. If they struggled, they should ask national police commissioner Riah Phiyega to have resources called in from other provinces.

Comments
  • altusvanzyl - 2012-07-10 09:14

    Zoomer just do something for once pleaaase people are dying.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-07-10 09:57

      Collen - half the police are in the gangs pockets, secondly they're understaffed, thirdly they're under equipped, fourthly it's 18 years down the line and the gangs still run amok, so I'm all for the army coming in to do a clean up.

      Bryan - 2012-07-10 10:00

      Nothing wrong with asking for military assistance if the cops are out of their depth (which is clearly the case).. At least it may give our defence force something to do rather than siiting around gettin fat!!!

      nico.smit.1272 - 2012-07-10 10:05

      Our Defence force it not doing anything anyway, can just as well deploy then at lease they will then earn the salaries they are getting

      coryndonbaker - 2012-07-10 10:29

      How is the issue being dealt with in mexico Collen?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-10 10:56

      Here again we see the ANC dragging their feet with anything Western Cape, THEY are the ones who will politicise this come next election. Watch, they will use the gang violence AGAINST the DA..

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-10 11:38

      collen the sandf are for anything we frikkin need them for, we pay that rubbish's salaries, national security hahah the only place where that is breached is within government itself

      Clive - 2012-07-10 13:00

      @Collen - community leaders have been telling the cops for years where the drug dealers and other gangsters skulk, but they do nothing about it. Between the SAPs and the so-called justice system, the success rate in apprehending, prosecuting and jailing theses scumbags is approximately ZERO. Ask yourself why. No, I'll tell you: lack of effective leadership from the Pres down.

      sb.prins1 - 2012-07-12 07:47

      @Collen, do you now really think SAPS can do anything, I'm from the Cape and most of the cops stay in those areas and they get attacked by these gangs as well and their families. The best option would be for the SANDF to assist the Police and try and do a clean up of sorts. The cops under staffed and unexperienced and dont have the necessary skills sets I think to tackle this matter. We always hear about cops doing the opposite of what they suppose to, CELE was good because then the cops werent afraid to take a criminals on.

  • Jono - 2012-07-10 09:15

    Well maybe we do have bad policing!? maybe they do need to get a wake up call!!!

  • jackal666.daniel - 2012-07-10 09:20

    I knew this idea would get blocked. Unfortunately it only got blocked because it is HER idea :(

      jackal666.daniel - 2012-07-10 13:21

      Democracy in SA's case also means that the vote of two fools counts more than the vote of a single wise man or woman as in this case. Zille gets defeated by a 5th grader sooooo sad!

  • peter.ndamase - 2012-07-10 09:20

    What's new here........ everything will be blamed on the ANCYL. It has become a convenient excuse of not dealing with this issues. Zille must work with the community, she is always against the government that she works for.

      ian.flack2 - 2012-07-10 09:54

      Well Peter, now that YOU bring up the ANCYL ...........!

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-07-10 10:00

      And yet she does more for the community and the poor than Zumba ever has. I mean, he just cares about his wives and screwing them whenever he wants. At least Zille does what she says she is going to do. Zumba is just all talk and no action.

      Bryan - 2012-07-10 10:03

      Eish Peter.... You bring a new dimension to the meaning of Moron!!!

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-10 10:04

      Where did that idea come from? ancyl? Ha! Ha! Ha!

      bryan.torien - 2012-07-10 10:17

      Actually Wesley I'd like to correct you there. He makes love to all his wives, it's "us" the community who are being screwed!!!

      James Koen - 2012-07-10 10:32

      @peter Maybe we should nationalize brains for a day or two so you can also have the opportunity to feel what it's like to have a fully functioning brain for a day? Maybe then you will realize innocent people are dying and she is trying to save them. Nothing political in this. Basic humanity. Must be so difficult to go through life with your head in your @ss..

      dee.980 - 2012-07-10 12:17

      Peter, oh Peter of the lazy mind : 1. Politicians do not work for government - they are public servants. Zille is one example of a leader working for the public/ people. 2. Do you recall a DA march led by Zille in support of Govt policy youth Wage Subsidy? 3. What excuses are being made in this instance of wanting to address the crisis those communities are facing with gangsterism And on the topic of ANCYL - have you ever heard them offer leadership to youth on the perils of drugs, gangs - let alone anything else relevant to youth? I am making this effort of responding to your post to help you try EXERCISE YOUR BRAIN. Try make it a daily life habit to think analytically and rationally. There are fellow South Africans living under siege by gangsters. The police are not quelling the violence. The community is terrified to assist the police for fear of retribution / suspicion of collusion. WHAT SOLUTION DO YOU OFFER ...other than silly comments?

      Clive - 2012-07-10 13:06

      Only one word for this comment, Peter: garbage - and I'm being polite. The ANCYL has never been mentioned in this context, and fighting crime is a NATIONAL responsibility. The army - for what it's worth - should have been sent in long ago. Clearly you are annoyed that, for all its faults, the DA is running a far more efficient ship in this province than any of the ANC-run provinces can ever dream of.

      antin.herinck - 2012-07-10 19:13

      Poor, poor clueless Peter. He also wanted to write a comment. How does one get by, with just oatmeal instead of brains?

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-07-11 16:33

      That's why her party is called the OPPOSITION and she does NOT work FOR the Government - she works for her country - whoever they are.

  • klasvaakie - 2012-07-10 09:23

    I dont see her saying the police is incompetent? Only that they need some extra support. Why this is an issue, I dont understand. Of course residents are protecting the gang members, they are often family. So if the SNDF can help keep the streets quiet and people safe, thats one load off the SAPS' back, which in turn will make them able to be more efficient in their investigations because more resources can go into that? So how is this political?

      Gregory - 2012-07-10 09:34

      Exactly right.She is just trying to help the police by alleviating the load on them so that they can focus their resources on getting to the root of the problem ASAP.Unfortunately though the useless cANCer are always trying to make her look bad because they know they are so incompetent.

      klasvaakie - 2012-07-10 10:11

      I assume he made a logical thought process to come to this conclusion, but I dont see it. Wish he would clarify this position or gtfo of the way of trying to help people. Seriously.

      bryan.torien - 2012-07-10 10:22

      klasvaakie, people who don't do their jobs properly and are being exposed always cry foul kinda thing. I just mean Mr Loonat, if there wasn't a problem to begin with then you wouldn't need the help no?

  • Megan - 2012-07-10 09:25

    There are just absolutely no words for the stupidity shown by some. Are we going to wait until ALL the innocent people in those areas are wiped out by gangsters before something is done about it? If the police really did have the resources and capabilities to deal with this then they would have, and it would not be as big a problem. I'm actually starting to feel really sorry for Zille, it must be really soul destroying having to deal with MORONS day in and day out!

  • sean.goldie.9 - 2012-07-10 09:28

    I suppose if one of Zuma's many wives or siblings were to be at the receiving end of this situation and were killed or maimed by these gangs then the whole frikkin army would be deployed to the area, self righteous wanker, how many more innocents is it going to take before this government takes action.

  • Kevin - 2012-07-10 09:29

    Some really stupid comments, Hanif Loonat believes that a show of unity will stop the gangsters and that sending in the army will show the world we have bad policing. Johan Burger says that if the Police cant deal with problem then send in more police. It is quite clear that the police have failed completely to deal with the situation, this to be expected as the standard of policing in SA is deplorable, and has been ever since the NP turned the police force into paramilitary bully boys to enforce apartheid.

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-10 09:31

    Whoever is advising Zille just wants to see her downfall, really now who wants the army deployed in their neighbourhood? Are you trying to turn Cape Town into another Zimbabwe where the army runs townships, please! The Provincial Community Policing Forum Board knows better, instead of rushing to the media and try score paltry political points, Madame must sit and discuss with this board. The area just need good policing as well as buy in from the community members, gangsters are part of the community they have their families there so obviously there are some people protecting them so without community buy in Zille can bring the FBI, KGB, Taliban, etc but still won’t solve the problem. If properly investigated one can discover that drugs are behind all this, how about implementing hash laws when it comes to drugs, we can take a leaf from China.

      don.quioxte.3 - 2012-07-10 09:36

      What, an opium leaf ? Don't be silly, they don't share.

      Megan - 2012-07-10 09:37

      Lerato, the RESIDENTS OF THOSE AREAS are calling for the army. So "who wants the army deployed in their neighbourhood"? THEY DO! The residents who are living in fear. The residents who are sick to death of having to deal with the crime and danger posed by gangs. Please also do your self a favour and read the previous articles relating to this.

      lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-10 09:57

      @ megan.riddell.16 Not everything residents want is feasible, Cape Town residents from Cape Flats wants the stadium to be converted into a massive affordable housing precinct so is Zille going to do that as well, I know of millions South Africans who want land to be expropriated is Zille going to consider that ? Bringing the army can even lead to more causalities have you considered that? Its Zille's duty as a government top official to propose workable solutions to this community instead of trying to pass the hot potato

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-10 10:03

      Thank you megan. It piss me of when a person open his/her mouth and all the lack of knowledge shows. This is when a commentator do not follow the story from earlier, but like to lay her/his ill planned egg. This is a long standing request from the residents, but they/gov. first try other means that failed.(police, meetings, gang involvement, churches, etc.) This is now the correct way of handling the issue by the premier. This is her job.(requesting action that previously worked)

      Megan - 2012-07-10 10:05

      Lerato, bringing the army in is not going to be without a few other issues. I completely understand that. Everything depends on their instruction once deployed. I understand that not many people agree that our military is worth anything but as soldiers, they are more properly trained in peace-keeping efforts. I do understand that there is ALWAYS a possibility of collateral damage. But the situation is completely out of control and NO OTHER REASONABLE SOLUTIONS have been brought forward. The only thing that is blantantly clear is that the under staffed, under funded South African Police Force are not able to effectively deal with the situation. IF the army are deployed to the Cape Flats then it definitely should be done in a way that intergrates the police services with them. But until someone can come up with any better ideas, this really does seem to be the only option. And Lerato, COSATU called for the stadium to be turned into the fallacy that is free housing.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-10 11:01

      So lerato, while you Zille bashing, what is your answer to the problems?? Or, as usual, you just attack.

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-07-10 11:05

      Lerato, you have at least made one sensible comment, bringing the Army in will cause more casualties, fortunately those casulaties will be the gangs and drug lords, I for one have no problem with that.

      Mondli - 2012-07-10 12:13

      I like how people are conveniently not criticising all the other parties who feel differently to Zille? To say policing has "failed" means what exactly? Of the people who have died already, how many are police officers? The police do have specialised units, you mean all those have failed? The moment I hear that police officers, from all police units, are being carried out in bags I will believe they have lost the fight. Until then they must do their job! Else we must send the SANDF to the twonships & farms to do police work. You politicians (Zille in this instance) are making me sick with all this uneccessary political bull crap.

      Clive - 2012-07-10 13:14

      @Mondli: I don't think you know what's going on here. It is INNOCENT PEOPLE, INCLUDING CHILDREN, who are dying, often caught in crossfire. Read other comments about how pathetic the cops are in confronting the criminals, and the fact that certain community leaders have indeed called for drastic action - including deploying the army if needs be.

      Richard - 2012-07-10 13:37

      I agree with you Lerato. The role of the armed forces in a country is to provide protection from foreign threats, internal conflict, or in extreme cases armed forces personnel is used as emergency civil support roles in post-disaster situations. The armed forces is not a crime fighting organisation. We have seen the effects of use of armed forces against the civilian population of a country before, errr, like right here in SA pre-1994, Syria, Egypt, Iran and the list goes on. The Western Cape provincial government should govern, fight crime, etc, and not defer their responsibilities to the SA armed forces. PS- If an ANC controlled province had called for deployment of armed forces, many would call for the provincial government to be changed to a party that can handle the provincial problems...

      Mondli - 2012-07-10 13:53

      CliveK, I am well aware and as concerned as anyone about that fact. But I say it's a fundamental problem to call the Army just because the police are not "able to control" the situation and the Premier feels calling for the army is a better option than confronting that issue of none perfomance by the police. I believe that is a flawed way of dealing with this. She must not let herself be seen as lacking belief in the police force nor condoning none perfomance by just ignoring it and calling another party to intervene. Or is it a case of get something done now then fight the lack of perfomance by the police after?

      simon.davies.12382 - 2012-07-10 14:01

      Spot on Lerato. The problem with most people on this website and most South African in general is that they forget about the facts and politicize and racialze everything. Very clear with all the squabbles between DA and ANC. The issue here is that there is a problem with gangs in the WC: FACT. The DA governs the WC: FACT. The DA has now realised how serious the gang problem is: FACT. They however ignored it for so long, after inheriting it from the ANC and it is now out of control. The DA has in now way used all channels to address this: FACT. There are many divisions within SAPS, both regional and national that this can be escalated to: FACT. Now to play politics, she has decided to go straight to the Army. And in keeping with the politics, the ANC does not even come up with any valid reasons on why not use the army but accuse the DA of politicking. These gangsters have families, these gangsters are part of the community and are known by the very same community members that they are killing. Mexico is a good example of a country that has deployed the army where they have failed with the police. The army has its own laws, martial law. They refer to you as civilians, collateral, they work under war conditions. Trust me, if you really cared about this whole thing and you are not just playing the "OOhh, ooo, look at the ANC, they not doing anything" you would not want the army deployed anywhere close to civilians.

      Mondli - 2012-07-10 16:15

      @ richard.stevens and simon.davies, don't forget the mention of Zuma & his wives. But that is precisely the point, people here don't debate the real issue

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-07-11 16:41

      When is the next election??? The ANC will be doing everything in their power to try to discredit Helen Zille - probably even encouraging drug wars in the Cape, and certainly NOT trying to help quell them or send in the SADF to help. When did they EVER care about the problems which beset ordinary people???

  • kellyn.ohher - 2012-07-10 09:31

    So exactly how many more people have to die before it's constituted an "exceptional circumstance"? 5, 10, 50?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-07-10 10:00

      Like getting council to put a speed hump in our road - we were told "no". When asked why, they said "because nobody has died there yet".

  • darron.nagel - 2012-07-10 09:33

    Is everyone missing the issue here ? Innocent children are dying in the cross fire !!! Get the Army in and let them sort it out and avoid the bloodshed of innocent Capetonians... sort out the politics afterwards and sort the issue out now.

  • althea.meintjies - 2012-07-10 09:35

    What's wrong with having the SNDF help curb gangster violence? What are they doing on a daily basis anyway? At least they will be of some use to the country....? Whenever the DA comes up with a brilliant idea it will always be shoot down by the ANC because they didn't think of it....ANC just get over yourselves, people are dying daily and all you thinking of is keeping up a front...Get real please!

  • aijaman.pirlo - 2012-07-10 09:37

    One thing that I hate from Hellen Zille. She forever have agendas to undermine current governance instead of concentrating on being better than the current government. She knows that you cannot just send an army to take over from the POlice in community. My question is this - Did she speak to national police commisioner underlining the problems encounted by Cape town police?Did she ask for help from national police commisioner or she jumped and want SANDF to replace Cape town police?Did she ask for any new ideas on how to resolve gang war in Cape town?Did she engaged with the community?Trust me, nothing she has done instead she jumped on to another thing to undermine police department.

      Cassandra Eileen Olivier - 2012-07-10 09:57

      The police are useless and don't even stay in Cape town. I have seen some very overweight police officers eating KFC. Tell me how they going to catch anyone

      Megan - 2012-07-10 10:08

      I wish people who feels the need so strongly to comment actually follow the whole story! Of course they have spoken the ALL the relevant police people. Zille does not need to "focus" on being better than the current government. With continuous clean audits, etc her provincial government has already PROVEN to be better than the current, uneducated muppets.

      templar.known - 2012-07-10 10:12

      aijaman, she did all of the above. Go to the DA website and read her latest comments under SA Today. The ANC is stonewalling the DA around every corner instead of helping to solve the problem. Don't hate bud.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-10 11:02

      aijaman, she has explored every avenue. If you bothered to do research you would know this, but I expect that from a hater.

      aijaman.pirlo - 2012-07-10 11:44

      Cassandra - I like yo comment..LOL!!!I've also seen them and I wonder how they were employed....Something fishy there!!! Megan/Templar&PointBlank - If that is the case. It is clear that she was talking to deaf ears. Fortunately we all know how pathetic government departments are. She has to use other channels before requesting an army cos to do what she is asking for is not easy & it's a decision that cannot be taken over night..Trust me, she is clearly aware of the difficulties to bring an army. If the problem does not threaten national security. It's not easy to get the help of a defense force. That's a fact!!! This is why I also agree with the sentiment that Zille is politicising the whole issue cos she is fully aware of this. with pathetic government departments with it's heads. U simply dnt know what to say cos these guys are costing our country dearly. Solution to this problem is clear & straight forward. HELP THE COMMUNITY OF HANOVER PARK WITH MORE VISIBLE POLICE!!!PATROL MUST BE DONE 24/7.POLICE FORCE FROM OTHER PROVINCE MUST COME AND HELP.LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TRAFFIC COPS SHOULD PROVIDE HELP BY HAVING MORE ROAD BLOCKS SEARCH FOR ARMS & DRUGS IN THE AREA.COMMUNITY MUST PLAY IT'S ROLE BY GIVING INFO AND TAKE PART ON PATROL. At the end of the day - These kids who are gangsters are the children of the parents who are living there.So the solution rely on the community itself. Parent must come out & be honest.These kids are also protected by their parents.Plse blve me

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-10 12:14

      @aijaman.pirlo. The answer on all is Yes. For years now all ways gets explored. Even in the time the ANC was in charge. It must now end. I do not want to go into a discussion with you because you clearly do not know the whole issue/story. I recommend you start reading up from at least the past 5 to 10 years's history on the subject.(AT LEAST) This is not politics. It is running a province and if the whole scenario was playing off in Gauteng I would have also supported it.

      Clive - 2012-07-10 13:23

      Aijaman, please read the comments from people who know what's going on here, especially regarding police ineptitude and possible complicity. Helen Zille's primary agenda is to improve the lives of ALL the people of this province, and if that means annoying a few of our so-called leaders in the national govt, so be it. If she was quiet on the deteriorating situation in gang-infested townships, people like you would have even more to say. The cops seem incapable of generating "new ideas" for a problem that has been around for many years, so bringing in the military is one obvious option. If it doesn't work, at least someone tried to confront this scourge head on.

      Richard - 2012-07-10 13:59

      Aijaman, your line of thinking has too much logic for this bunch... The W government whould work with the community, the SAPS, and the countries crime fighting structures. The SANDF is not a civilian crime fighting organisation to which a provincial government can defer their governing reponsibility to. Zille should do her job, instead of throwing her hands in the air, throwing in the towel, and calling in the SANDF...

  • dewalds3 - 2012-07-10 09:45

    Terrorist-hider of the black sash calling on the south african non-functional diseased force to sort out them peshin gepped larnies! Only in South Africa and brought to you exclusively by Naspes - proud co-creators of the NSA!

  • rontheogre - 2012-07-10 09:47

    While these morons in government are juggling the ball in order to score political points people that have voted for them are dying.This indicates that the people to whom the government owes the most matters the least to them.We could not have gotten a clearer "screw you" message from government when asking them to fight for us.The only people that matter is themselves.But in the mean time we have to keep on supporting their lifestyle by forking out taxes.

  • sarel.koen - 2012-07-10 09:55

    The call for help by the army came from the community even before PM Zille sent the letter to the president. Is the community politicising the issue or is it just a preliminary ANC comment before the race card is played?

      aijaman.pirlo - 2012-07-10 11:46

      Sarel Plse remember - Community does things and request things without proper understanding and what channels need to be taken before requesting an army. So, dnt take what the community said cos it's influenced by the fact that they are less informed.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-10 12:23

      This request can only help to force central government to assist more to prevent sending in the army and if not working they can use the army as before.(as if there is any route left to explore) That is now if the army is still what it was when they was last called in. Heavens help us if not, but something must happen NOW.

      farmer.notsobrown - 2012-07-10 13:35

      @aijaman please read carefully before commenting.

  • Mavhungu Vincent - 2012-07-10 09:57

    People likes offramping, why do we involve ANC and zuma's wives everywhere?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-10 12:33

      I did not see the "Zuma wife part", but if so, I agree.(I did not red all) This issue/problem was when the ANC was ruling as well now in the DA's time. I believe we must look past politics and use all means to solve this problem.

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-10 10:00

    So if the police cannot control the situation then it is a case of police not doing their job! Bash the police leadership! Bash the anc leadership! Vote DA!

      domonique.fester - 2012-07-10 10:14

      I shudder to think what will happen to the Western Cape if the ANC should ever take over here. VOTE DA! Atleast Zille thinks with her head and not with her behind!

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-07-10 10:03

    How many arrests have the SAP cops made? How many arrests have the Cape Town Metro cops done? You will be surprised at the low arrest rate of the SAPs! They are not taking the situation seriously! Vote DA!

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-07-11 16:55

      Why should they be all that interested in risking their lives to catch criminals, Glyn, when these same criminals are out on bail almost overnight and if they are given a sentence, it's usually a slap on the wrist. The good cops must get extremely discouraged.... And who can blame them?

  • neville.lollan.75 - 2012-07-10 10:04

    A taste of what is yet to come.

  • Erna - 2012-07-10 10:05

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't! The army should be called in as an emergency to stop further killing as it is obvious the police are not coping. This is not just a DA problem and instead of continually criticising Helen Zille, help with solutions.

  • ralph.roman.35 - 2012-07-10 10:11

    I don't live close to those gang riddled areas but just this morning a Guy working with my wife was shot dead and his wife wounded in Manenberg - Damn, a colleague did not pitched for work as he was SHOT DEAD - and here many idiots goes on as if Zille is the VARK, if the defence force can help those people in fear WHY not?

  • Mzamo - 2012-07-10 10:11

    Why Hellen Zille likes to write direct to the President all the time? To me it would make sense to discuss this matter with the Police Commissioner, if she can't resolve it then escalate it to the Minister of Police, if that does not also help, take it to the Minister of Defence then it can go tho the President.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-10 11:03

      SHE HAS DONE ALL OF THAT PLEASE RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING!!

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-07-10 11:11

      Mzamo, I'm sure she has done all that, it's time for ACTION not more dialogue while innocent people are being murdered, what part of that don't you understand.

      Mzamo - 2012-07-10 12:28

      @PointBlank & Bob - The army point was raised by Pastor Isaac Rubain where he was speaking to Western Cape Community Safety MEC, Dan Plato, last weekend, that residents were desperate for solutions. He asked what the army is doing as there is no war in SA currently? Plato then vowed to return to the area, along with Western Cape Premier Helen Zille, to address the problem. May be you guys can refer me to the news reports mentioning Zille's letters to the Police Commissioner, Police Minister, etc.

  • Matthew - 2012-07-10 10:11

    chairperson Hanif Loonat ,you are a COWARD!!! Zille exposes the truth about the SAPS!!! and or otherwise what THE PEOPLE think think of our so called "police force".a small handfull of you are dedicated and actually do ,do your job.the other 90% are corrupt,lazy good for nothings who couldnt care past the bribes and their pay check.Zille is doing something,so how dare you dare say/accuse her of ,of what?!pointing out the sad truth!. take responsibility like Zille is and do something instead of hiding away delfecting blame.the truth hurts,and in this case,the fact thats about the boys in blue being USELESS,it dosnt just hurt your rep (which we could care less about) but hurts the people,the children that cant play outside,the children that cry at night asking "mommy,when is the shooting going to stop?" SAPS majoirty = cowards GO ZILLE GO! You absolute fighting beauty!!!

  • domonique.fester - 2012-07-10 10:12

    After reading all these comments one thing comes to mind. Everyone disagreeing with Zille do not have families in the above mentioned area's. Wait until one of there innocent family members are killed in the crossfire and we see how quickly they change theie tunes. This said I do not have any family in these area's but my heart pours out to the families who has lost a mother, father and child whilst our government sits back and decides that Zille is politicizing gang violence. Another ANC EPIC FAIL!!!!!

  • daniel.motlhatlhedi - 2012-07-10 10:12

    Hanover park.

  • Ian - 2012-07-10 10:14

    ya, and what exactly has the anc done about gang violence, yip f all, what has the anc done about crime in general, ah yes f all again, but hey votes for us for free food parcels and sanitary pads, MORONS

  • Barefoot - 2012-07-10 10:15

    SANDF was deployed in December according to the article and the situation was better- from this are they going to be camped there permanently or not, cause if that's the case some must also come to my township were crime is a daily occurrence.

  • Barefoot - 2012-07-10 10:15

    SANDF was deployed in December according to the article and the situation was better- from this are they going to be camped there permanently or not, cause if that's the case some must also come to my township were crime is a daily occurrence.

  • amelia.basson - 2012-07-10 10:17

    South Africa’s children are suffering from a terminal disease called cANCer: Rapidly multiplying parasitical cells, which cause malignant masses and has no physiological function. cANCer does not discriminate – it affects all races, ages and sexes! With DA quality education and DA primary health care, cANCerous tumours can be prevented from causing irreparable harm, before it reaches the advanced stages. In the advanced stages of the disease, there is unfortunately no cure and the abused & exploited cANCerous organisms, will die.

  • Winston Kapp - 2012-07-10 10:18

    some really dumb people here! whenever Zille opens her mouth there has to be a million uneducated ANC idiots that oppose it. If the ANC would come up with the idea then all their supporters would be happy. Why don't the morons opposing Zille's request go stay in the cape flats for a while and when your child gets shot, then decide if you still think she is dumb!

  • neo.khemisi - 2012-07-10 10:18

    How could you do that madam ZILLe jumping all procedures that YOU always screams about how can you???

      bob.mcmillen.564 - 2012-07-10 11:15

      Neo, typical ANC attitude, processes and procedures whilst innocent people are murdered daily, we've had 18 years of processes and procedures, tell me one thing that has improved, one thing that has been achieved, wake up and smell the frikken roses, or the rot I should say.

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-07-10 10:24

    The police cannot be trusted, they themselves are involved in crimes.

  • tricia.sutherland1 - 2012-07-10 10:25

    ok, so Zille should learn to use 'reverse psychology' and suggested that whatever they do, do not send in the military!!!! i bet if Zuma was living in an area suddenly hit by gang violence - he'd be calling in the military, Hawks and interpol.

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-07-10 10:29

    The DA want's troops in the streets............I remember the 80's with troops in the streets. The Army is for external threats only. If used internally, they are government thugs enforcing a police state. Good going DA.......the more things change.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-07-11 17:03

      What external threats, exactly? Please do tell? What do the SANDF actually do every day - and that is a serious question - what is it that they do all day? Does anyone know?

  • mandilakhe.buzani - 2012-07-10 10:31

    What about the other 100's of places across mzansi wit d same problem, and for those who say she underming our police as a whole well, clearly you people dont liv in our townships, and the police up to an extend are useless! Bt ya love ths country!

      GodsGraceSuffices - 2012-07-10 10:53

      why dont you get out of the townships then? i know many black people who came from the same place and have made something of themselves. They didnt do it by moaning and groaning about how unfortunate they are. they succeeded because they were determined to get out of the townships and live a better life! Why anyone in the Townships votes for ANC is beyond me! You keep voting them into power and they keep screwing you over.

  • zmvulane - 2012-07-10 10:36

    In both the 2009 National and 2011 local government elections the DA campaigned on a promise to fight gangsterism, drugs and crime in the Western Cape! Now Helen Zille wants to shift goal posts! Why doesn’t she organise a march to the gang-ridden areas like she did to COSATU House? She opposed the notion of a single police on the same thoughtless premise that the Western Cape needs its own robust policing unit to fight crime and gangsterism! Now what stops her and the DA lot from (metro) policing Lavender Hill and Hanover Park?

      amelia.basson - 2012-07-10 10:43

      Only Zuma and his henchmen get protection - not innocent children! Please read this article: "Heavy security for Zuma lecture" http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Heavy-security-for-Zuma-lecture-20120710

      richard.hipkin - 2012-07-10 11:04

      SHE HAS DONE ALL OF THIS AND MORE PLEASE RESEARCH BEFORE COMMENTING!!

      angle.g.man - 2012-07-10 12:06

      Metro Police can only intervene when municiple by-laws are being broken. They cannot investigate or police those laws that the national SAPS deals with.

  • Issa - 2012-07-10 10:39

    Gangsterism is part of commuinyt decay (ukuboola) the leaders of the gangs must sit down and double think of the truma and panic they are bringing in their communities. The community leaders - many of these gangsters are our own sons and daughters lets sit with them and understand their point of view (Yini bayidingayo) and then follow the Kamuzu Banda system - heavy punishment and employment option to them. Sometimes the youth do it for fun and sometime its just lack of information - what will my future be is what they must think about. For you gangsters - the people u r kiling are your brothers, mothers and very close relative for less profit - so why doing it?

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-11 11:07

      Issa a gangleader doesn't give a damn about the pain he causes his community on the contrary most of them are blood thirsty pshycopaths whom earn fear and respect on the amount of lives they took at their own hands. The gang members like the gang leaders are in for it for the flashy cars,nice clothes(designer labels)status, picking up girls, what go's through a pimply 14 year olds mind when he see's gang members picking up supermodel lookalikes, flashing money,jewellery,fast cars ,fear and respect while at home he has virtually nothing? This sets a trend that continues for generations, and sadly it wont disappear until these scumbags realise they are not supernatural, and someone much more powerful needs to make them realise that.

  • GodsGraceSuffices - 2012-07-10 10:41

    We can all bitch and moan on News24, but nothing will change, because we don't do anything together outside of this forum. If you want to see a change, then let us organise a community gathering, every single person who wants to stand up against this stupid government and these dumb gangsters. Lets take action and stand together instead of flapping our gums online, where no one in power ever sees it! COME ON PEOPLE. POWER IN GATHERING! Black, White, Coloured, Pink, Blue whatever... if you wanna see change, lets get gathering! If anyone has ideas, reply and we can make it happen!

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-11 11:23

      Our ideas would be unconstitutional. But here are mine, make prison suck big time, infact make every douchebag that ends up behind bars for what ever reason sorry he was ever born(Asa prison gang membership is a status in most impoverished community underworlds.) In Prison make it a detterence - No music - No smoking - Hard Labour - Sleep deprivation - harsh warders whom go the extra mile to make the prisoners lives miserable - No luxuries what so ever - no making eye contact -no family visits for remainder of sentencing - No hieararchy amongst prisoners Japan has a strict/severe prison system and their crime rate is one of the lowest in the world, right now Prison time in SA is an utter joke. Like a five star hotel where whores get smuggled in, prisoners have cellphones(with internet access), an access to a variety of entertainment etc. Once those traumatised sods emerge they will beg the criminals in their respective co0mmunities to give up their nefarious deeds, If it does not discourage them already by making them think more than twice before committing a crime. Sounds draconian, but drastic situations call for drastic measures and I am not just talking about gangsterism on the flats but crime across all spectrum's in SA.(Zero tolerance with Zero Sympathy for criminals).

  • amelia.basson - 2012-07-10 10:47

    ALL OF THIS TO PROTECT ZUMA FROM MALEMA'S HECKLERS: "Various police units ranging from air wing (air support), public order police, operation response service, K9 (dog unit), bomb disposal unit, crime prevention, to detectives, have been deployed to ensure that security is not compromised," Mpembe said. YET ... NO PROTECTION FOR GANG RAVAGED AREAS?

      zmvulane - 2012-07-10 11:02

      There is nothing extra ordinary about this! All of these units provide protection to the President anyway! The President of any nation deserves protection and even Barak Obama drives around on an Armoured Cadillac with an army of helicopters, body guards and big s K9s to ensure his safety! The point here is that the DA's strategy to fight gangsterism and crime in the Western Cape has failed and now they are trying to shift the blame to the national government (or Zuma for that matter)!

      Erna - 2012-07-10 11:02

      You noticed as well. Obviously he (thinks) is more important than his loyal followers who got him there in the first place.

      amelia.basson - 2012-07-10 11:21

      and .... my point is this: All other presidents (Barack Obama included) protect the children of their country first. They ensure the safety of children, BUT in South Africa ... they are ignored, not provided with quality learning and textbooks and currently Welfare societies can't cope, because of the same old story: NO MONEY! Oh no ... sorry there R2,8 billion for private jets! Our children are our future and the way this government is treating them, is shameful!

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-07-10 11:56

      zmvulane: Zuma is president of a third rate country that is not really that important. Of course, he needs security, but the amount of resource required needs to match his real status in the world and not the inflated ego and power tactics that he is employing.

      zmvulane - 2012-07-10 12:57

      criticallyhonest - I'm not too sure what do you use to conclude that South Africa is a "third rate country" and what that means? South Africa ranks among the 25th developed nations in the world and remain the only African country that serves in the G20! We can't behave like Zimbabwe or some Mickey Mouse country! Thus, we have to take the profile and security of our President very serious! This does not mean that we shouldn't assist the innocent communities of the Cape Flats and places like Atlantis that are caught up in senseless gang warfare! But politicizing this issue won't help and so is making misguided innuendos against Zuma or the police! Zille and her Cabinet, as well as the Mayoral Committee must take responsibility for the province’s failure to deal decisively with the problem of gangsterism in the Cape Flats and the WESTERN CAPE in general and so should the Provincial Commissioner! But screaming at Zuma through the media won’t help!

      rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-07-10 14:06

      zmvulani: Of course you can shape stats to mean anything you want to: after all there are some indicators that put SA at a much higher rank than the 25th you mention. Take for example HIV and murder per capita. I presume that you are either referring to population (around 50 million, 25th rank, 0.7% of the world: http://www.geohive.com/earth/population1.aspx) or GDP ($ 408 bil, 28th rank, 0.6% of the worl: http://knoema.com/nwnfkne), but the most telling indicator is GDP per Capita where SA is ranked 102nd: http://www.indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=67 Based on any of this data I don't see that SA is particularly important, contributing a lot less than 1% to the world's wealth, but more to the world's problems, or am I missing something?

  • gavin.potter.75 - 2012-07-10 10:53

    Zille is not 'Police Bashing'! All she stated was SAPS lack the capacity to bring this matter under control! SAPS are the ones politicising their situation in failing to bring the matter under control. At least she is seen to be doing something positive on the plight of these people. To save lives, do what is necessary!

      Hugo - 2012-07-10 11:16

      your beloved zille opposed a single national police force because of her silly conspiracy theories of ANC wanting to retake the Cape.When will the DA admit that they have failed the people of the flats?why are they blaming everyone but themselves?first there were no schools because of black kids from EC,now there is gangsterism because of police corruption?didnt they cleverly elbow Mzwandile Petros to install their own because he was a deployee?the DA mercilessly purged all senior personnel that were appointed by the ANC in a move that was hailed as fighting incompetency and corruption.What now?oh by the way she also blamed 'history' for the cape 's pitiful attempts at transformation.seems like the white- man- solves- all myth was after all just a myth.SA has real problems that will not be solved overnight.Hope we will see less of cheap political point scoring in the future.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-07-10 10:55

    It is a simple matter. Go in and clean up this mess. There is a clear wrong and there is a clear right. Politicians will never see this, though, because they are just concerned about votes, not people.

  • zedre.hartman - 2012-07-10 10:57

    I just find it quite fascinating that in the same news report there is an article stating that "Security has been heavily stepped up in preparation for President Jacob Zuma's speech in Thohoyandou with even the air wing and bomb disposal units being deployed"??? Go figure! So why is, what Zille is asking for, such an issue? Why can't the army be used to protect innocent lives!

      Hugo - 2012-07-10 11:19

      because she has the resources to fight this but lacks street creds which the ANC in the form of Manuel,Eirenrech,Duarte etc has

      Clive - 2012-07-11 12:55

      Ah, the AK man again! You conveniently forget, Hugo, that this problem existed when the ANC (mis-)ran the province, and they also got nowhere with it. Surely it's time to try something different, especially as the cops have lost all credibilty and respect? Increasing unemployment and lousy education - the most significant failures of the national government - are making the situation worse.

  • dlink011 - 2012-07-10 10:58

    He wont deploy army, but he will deploy bomb squad and extra security at a lecture he is giving? Zuma...doing SA proud...NOT

  • Dhavandran - 2012-07-10 11:02

    conflict of interest for the ANC to curb gang violence cos we know why.

      Hugo - 2012-07-10 11:21

      dont be stupid.when are you people going to realise that hellen zille is a politician who needs the 1.5m salary to feed her own which means she will make noise just so she can be seen to be working

      amelia.basson - 2012-07-10 12:00

      Let's see Hugo ... R2.8 billion (jet) divided by R1.5 million (would love to know where you got this salary)... She must save 1866 months or(155 years) before she can buy herself a jet! Eish - she'll be too old by then ....

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-07-10 11:15

    I wonder if Zuma/anc really want to get the gangs under control? Consider the politics of leaving the status quo, not many happy outcomes and voted for the DA coming out of that scenario. Dare I say that maybe the gangs are in some way motivated by the anc.....oh, wash my mouth out!!!!! Bottom line is that it is the Governments job to ensure safety for all in SA, so what are they going to do about this and, and , and ......

  • Christopher - 2012-07-10 11:17

    I feel sorry for Helen Zille. She really tries to make a difference and stands up for the people, but simply becuase she's made to be seen as the "oppressor" by the ANC and its followers the racial probelm springs up again. Forget she's white and appreciate what she's done! SA should follow the great Republic of Cape Town!

      Archie - 2012-07-10 11:51

      Dont be sorry for hellen she is a big girl.Anyway the truth will eventually come out.She never makes a statement without weighing up the consequences.

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-07-10 11:18

    Police must just do their job we are not here to serve as law enforcement we are allready serving so many places we never see our families, come on saps

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-07-10 11:28

    Once again these fools turn it into an issue!! Zille is stating that the Police need help!! NOt that they are useless, why are duch stupid idiots in such powerfull positions!!!!!!!

      zmvulane - 2012-07-10 12:13

      Zille is neither the National Police Commissioner nor she acting as the Provincial Police Commissioner!! She promised to lead a DA fight against gangsterism in the Western Cape and asked for more money for a bigger metro police unit and now she acts like a cry baby! She must send JP Smith to the Cape Flats instead of putting up worthless and time consuming roadblocks in the CBD and on the N2! They must first confiscate fire arms and drugs in Lavender Hill and Hanover Park and then worry about the cellphones!

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-07-10 11:28

    The police are more concerned that defense force deployment would imply they incapable, instead of saying yes come help us get these thugs off the street. They put their image before the safety of the common folk.