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Zille taken to HRC over refugee tweet

2012-04-05 08:12

Johannesburg - A youth activist has complained to the SA Human Rights Commission about Western Cape Premier Helen Zille's "refugee" comment, according to a report on Thursday.

Lukhona Mnguni had asked the SAHRC to "advise" Zille to retract and apologise for her comment on the social networking site Twitter, The Times reported.

Two weeks ago, Zille referred to Eastern Cape pupils who flocked to the Western Cape for a better education as "refugees" on Twitter.

She tweeted on March 20: "While ECape education collapsed, WC built 30 schools - 22 new, 8 replacement mainly 4 ECape edu refugees. 26 MORE new schools coming. [sic]"

Her statement was in reference to a protest in Grabouw over overcrowding at a local school.

Zille 'violated Bill of Rights'

According to the newspaper, Mnguni said the DA leader owed the country an apology for her comments, which undermined constitutional democracy.

Mnguni wrote in his complaint that Zille's words "pose a threat of stigmatising people of the Eastern Cape as foreigners in the Western Cape".

"Even if the statement was made in jest, it fundamentally sets an unwanted national discourse, which undermines the efforts to undo and obliterate legacies of apartheid."

He said Zille had violated section 21 of the Bill of Rights.

According to The Times, Zille's chief of staff and MP Geordin Hill-Lewis said he was not aware of the complaint.

"The only human rights scandal is that hundreds of thousands of young South Africans in the Eastern Cape, and in other ANC-run provinces, are being denied their right to a quality basic education," he was quoted as saying.

"That is the scandal."

Comments
  • Piston - 2012-04-05 08:18

    Go Helen...funny how the EC are pouring in here...educational & economic refugees! Oh how the truth hurts. Now...about that wall around WP and succession....

      IAnon - 2012-04-05 08:21

      Build it quickly ...

      clinton.badenhorst - 2012-04-05 08:28

      Helen said nothing wrong... It's only an insecure idiot that would have taken that comment up in the wrong way. Some people are just looking for attention!

      Marion - 2012-04-05 08:31

      @Cheech - secession.

      Rvn - 2012-04-05 08:39

      Anything to get a good/honest non corrupt politician out of power hey? Only corrupt politicians wanted in SA!

      Rvn - 2012-04-05 08:52

      @bluzulu - Why must she watch what she says? She said nothing wrong... Its because of the state of education in this country why you think she said something wrong....Do you even know what refugee means? "Definition - One who flees to a shelter, or place of safety". Its not the color of your skin. Guys are Fleeing EC to come to the WC to get better education, therefor they are refugees. Why has everything got to be black and white...Come on!

      GrootWitHaai - 2012-04-05 08:56

      Youth activist. Activist for what? Get a real job you oxygen thief.

      Felix - 2012-04-05 08:56

      Well Mnguni I hope you use the tax money you earned wisely. Just wish the anc would fight the opposition with good service and not with rent a crowds and lies.

      Frank - 2012-04-05 09:03

      Still the ANC having to sit and wait for morsels falling of the DA table in the WC to try and feed their aching bellies! The truth is that the EC is in shambles and the place is being left deserted by people streaming to the WC for a better life! This fool, Lukhona Mnguni, is not an activist, he is irrelevant!

      colin.dovey - 2012-04-05 09:05

      The DICTIONARY definition of "seeking refuge" is: "Seeking shelter from danger or hardship"......and this person wants to go to COURT about that.....the people in the E.Cape ARE experiencing considerable hardship with POOR schooling, and as a result their futures ARE in danger! Case closed...next.....the ANC and their sychophant lackeys just do not know how to cope with the success of their political rivals.

      Andres - 2012-04-05 09:10

      On the activist: Although "refugee" may not be the best terminology, this person claiming to have the best interests of the EC people at heart, is going further to hide the issue behind the semantics. This is EXACTLY what the politicians at the helm of EC mismanagement would like; divert attention from the actual problem. This person also fails to see that the term refugee is not an indictment on the person fleeing the problem region in question, it is an indictment of the politicians and powers-that-be at the helm of that problem region. Calling a person from Myanmar a refugee is pointing a finger at the junta ruling the country, not the person seeking a better life. This person has played straight into the ANC's propaganda machine's hands, but arguing the word, rather than the problem. This will do nothing, but keep the gross mismanagement and kleptocracy of a failed province hidden behind a racial rhetoric smokescreen that only benefits the politicians presiding over the province's downfall. On people: When one seeks insult, one finds insult. The machinery and moral-high-ground bastion that the ANC is built is so successful, anything they pronounce as "insulting" or "racial" will be taken as such by the majority. Rather than picking up an Oxford Concise, they'll pick up the Mthembu-Thesaurus. It's a pity, because South Africans are allowing politicians to think for them and not exercising their rights to individuality and thinking for themselves.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-05 09:20

      I agree that they/media used her words for sensation to sell news. We all know the context it was said in, but now "some" just don't want to admit it. That is politics for you. As a matter of interest. On what base/merits do they call people of Somalia, Kenya, Eritrea, etc. when they shift to certain parts/places, still in their country, refugees?

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-04-05 09:26

      @RVN- It is because bluzulu is not educated and is so brainwashed that he only listens to what his corrupt government says. If he just took the time to open a dictionary and read what refugee means then he will understand. But to him and the rest of the ANC the word refugee to them means race and colour. He must just go stay in the eastern cape if he is so happy about the education there

      Stirrer - 2012-04-05 09:41

      @Sabongam: No one said the Western Cape belongs exclusively to white people. It belongs to people who believe in good governance, that's why we all voted DA. The wall will be to keep bad governance out. Declaring ourselves a republic might not be such a bad idea...

      Active - 2012-04-05 09:52

      So it is ok to call people migrants, but it is not ok to call them refugees?

      Rvn - 2012-04-05 09:54

      @Stirrer - "The wall will be to keep bad governance out." Exactly! @sabongam - "What the f*** do you think or believe that the WP belongs exclusively to you or to white people?" So now using the term "wall" is also being racist? What can some one say these days without it being racist? Racist racist racist...always racist...

      Junebugg - 2012-04-05 10:40

      On the other hand, this activist boy must find a hobby..why waste time on this...My Message to ANC...WORDS NEVER KILLED ANYBODY, LACK OF SERVICE DELIVERY DOES...Concentrate on service delivery , you theiving b@stards..Service delivery is still a myth in EC, Northern KZN and Limpopo

      bluzulu - 2012-04-05 10:41

      @ Many, The lady is educated enough to get a point across without agitating the Public.This type of Political inference is not required.

      debbie.van.niekerk - 2012-04-05 10:52

      GO on... lets make it a Republic of the Western Cape.... I still got my bricks to help build the wall....

      Marion - 2012-04-05 11:33

      @Alicia - what difference does it make where bluzulu lives. He also has a right to express an opinion. No doubt he left SA as an emigrant and not as a refugee. I'm sure you know lots of people who have emigrated to other countries. Would you lay into them the same way if they dared, God forbid, to comment on a News24 article?

      Marion - 2012-04-05 12:10

      @Alicia - I comment on anything and everything I have an opinion about if I am on the right forum. In case you haven't noticed, I'm a very opinionated person. I may agree with someone to day and totally disagree with them tomorrow. Today is bluzulu's lucky (unlucky day) in that regard.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-05 14:03

      Thanks NEWS 24 for removing my post once again even though I have complied with the rules. Nice one ....good job.

      Jim - 2012-04-05 14:15

      @ Pythagoras, I agree 100% with you. This guy is as stupid as the AfriForum.

      Sboniswa - 2012-04-05 14:24

      no truth hurts here @Cheech, your madam was totally wrong, she must go and do botox again

      gunofminez - 2012-04-05 14:34

      I'm from the E.C- studying in the WC for 5 years. I would strongly advise the young lads from the E.C to stay with their grannies in the village, cross rivers and travel long distances to attend inadequate schools. The alternative, living with your struggling mother in a shack in Khayelitsha/Phillipi/Gugulethu for a better education??? I've seen how the majority of blacks live here, and it's better in the E.C, i'd stay there under a black government and if i'm academically gifted, get excepted to a good varsity (and the best is in the W.C), graduate and then immediately leave this racist province for a more welcoming one, like Gauteng- that's my opinion, my plan and vision for the young REFUGEE hoping for a future.

      ndzululeka - 2012-04-05 14:42

      LUKHONA has soo much time in her hands... She should have written a letter demanding teachers to do their duties well.

      Susan - 2012-04-05 16:48

      You are a first class idiot! Yes those pupils went to the Western Cape to escape the lack of educational facilities. However, referring to them as refugees is tactless and uncalled for. I know she means well but verbal diarrhea is slowly becoming this woman's claim to fame! She needs to stop treating the Western Cape like her country. I say, move her a** from the West and take her to Kwazulu Natal, and if she is as protective over that province too then I will say she is a true leader. For you to be amused by such a statement clearly shows how far we from being able to think logically as a nation. Lets not pretend to know what it feels like to be denied an education so it's not our place to judge how the people from EC should take the statement. With all that said, let me leave you with these loving words in my 2nd language, Pokud Helen Zille nechce, aby nekdo prišel na WC pak lze ji a všechny ostatní idioti, kterí ji najít rozsudku zábavné jít skocit z Table Mountain!

  • Bonjo - 2012-04-05 08:20

    Here we go again, can we just focus on more important issues than name calling?

      Ben - 2012-04-05 08:28

      The purpose is exactly to divert attention from the more important issues.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 08:35

      I agree Lebo for example in Witbank a new municipal manager (again) will be appointed. The ANC (despite the DA trying to raise objections) selected a “candidate” with well know connections (as well as being implicated) in/to criminal activity. In short Witbank will get another ANC criminal municipal manager..... again but the ANC feels “aggrieved” over some tweet! Pfff!

      Nigel - 2012-04-05 08:48

      exactly Lebo, the real issue is the smoking state of education in the EC, but the Indlovu that support the ANC till jesus comes don't care about delivery or education, they rather go backwards.

      peterjohnjnb - 2012-04-05 08:59

      I know right???? for heaven sake - CONTEXT people.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 11:53

      What is more important, Lebo, in Zille's recent comments which outweighs the request for her to retract the absurd labelling of EC people in their own country?

      Peter - 2012-04-05 14:19

      Azande .... "The only human rights scandal is that hundreds of thousands of young South Africans in the Eastern Cape, and in other ANC-run provinces, are being denied their right to a quality basic education," he was quoted as saying. "That is the scandal." Wake up dude!!

      Azande - 2012-04-05 15:48

      @Peter, judging by your comment, when someone calls you names for your wrong doind you should not complain, just concentrate on "the wrong doing". ie A white person calling a convicted black murderer "this k@@@@r is a murderer", we should disregard that K word and concentate on the fact that the person is a murderer.

      paulmandlankosi - 2012-04-05 19:16

      Just because your madam blundered we have to forget, sorry Lebo

  • Foc - 2012-04-05 08:21

    Blah blah blah .... why don't you just face the facts that the EC province is in total shambles and get those useless politicians to get off the fat butts and do some WORK for a change and FIX the place .... Its one of the most beautiful parts of our country that is degenerated into a squatter camp!!

  • John - 2012-04-05 08:22

    This is only to detract from the real breach of Human Rights, which is that the EC is denying its youth an education.

  • Partiboy - 2012-04-05 08:23

    O please stop interferring in Zille's attempts to actually make a difference in the country! She had every right to use that comment as the ANC has created another banana state in the EC education department!

      Adam - 2012-04-05 17:46

      This can only lead to more good press coverage for the DA, and at the same time remind the public what ar$eholes the anc are.Thanks poor unsettled little boy taking refuge in WP.

  • Ashley - 2012-04-05 08:23

    and if i say, they are refugees, then what?

      Azande - 2012-04-05 11:54

      Loss of votes

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:54

      nothing because no one cares what you say but for someone who has aspirations of holding the highest political office in the land it means dream ruined(not that there is a chance)

  • E=MC2 - 2012-04-05 08:23

    The truth hurts hey Lukhona... just a little loser with a inferiority complex looking for attention if you ask me!

  • Bongani - 2012-04-05 08:26

    this has nothing to do with ANC. 90% of people in all big cities are not from those cities. Does that mean we are all refugees? Helen was wrong and she should apologize if she has an hope of getting black voters.

      Natasha - 2012-04-05 08:38

      Really!!! She already has black voters. What you should be concerntrating on is the fact that students have to relocate to get basic education! And why is that? From the whole tweet all you got was 'refugees'... Narrow-minded thinkers!

      Retha - 2012-04-05 08:44

      Bongani do you really think people want to move to cities for education? You know she is right. Stop showing your stupidity!

      dcowney - 2012-04-05 08:45

      Learn the definition of a 'refugee' before commenting.

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:08

      Natasha the black voters are now demanding an apology from her,if she fails to issue one then they will be gone.

      Sean - 2012-04-05 09:25

      Bongani - The truth hurts ! Education failure is 100% ANC`s fault. The biggest problem here for you and the rest of the ANC is that Helen Zille is white !

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-04-05 09:26

      Hugo, where did you get the idea she is losing voters? How can you say "they are" if you have not been chosen to represent "them"? I think this tweet may cause some more "refugees" to leave the EC as they have now become aware of the availability of better facilities in WC. If they come here and find this to be true in comparison to the EC, they may also change their voting support. Think about that.

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-04-05 10:53

      The voters Helen is "losing" are all ANC members/supporters bused into the WC courtesy the ANC in an attempt to win votes anyway...

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:52

      Bruning another brilliant observation.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:06

      Bongani, I am going to call everyone a refugee and I am not apologizing. I would hate to see you peolple handle a crisis. I can just imagine the amount of refugees that would bring.

      Liz - 2012-04-05 13:07

      Bongani is right in that a very significant number of people in big cities have gone there to work attend school or to study there and are not originally from the area. Many kids from EC are going to school in KZN and many probably also finding their way to Gauteng and other provines for schooling. It has been happening for decades and I do not know quite why the DA has to make such a big chirp about it as if it is a consequence of their administration of WC.

      darryl.maze1 - 2012-04-05 14:20

      @Hugo, The only blacks looking for an apology is u and all u brainwashed ANC voters. Just for once admit Helen is right and stop being so stupid. Its so typical for anc to blow this out of proportion and throw the boring, outdated race card again

      Ricky - 2012-04-05 14:22

      Why does it always end up being a race issue. If i read her comment correctly, she is implying both white and black students are the refugees.

      Peter - 2012-04-05 14:24

      Liz .... Going to "A City" for work as an adult, is quite different to going to the WC (A different provice) as you cannot get a basic education in your own province. "The only human rights scandal is that hundreds of thousands of young South Africans in the Eastern Cape, and in other ANC-run provinces, are being denied their right to a quality basic education. That is the scandal."

      Liz - 2012-04-05 15:57

      @ Peter. I have no hesitation in recognising that currently there is a deplorable situation in the EC relating to governance. But all provinces that have large populations living in rural areas - KZN, Mpumalanga, Limpopo have backlogs in many basic services including schools and clinics in their rural areas in particular. People send their children and/or sick relatives to places that have better established services usually cities or large towns sometimes in their own province and sometimes across provincial borders. They have been doing that for decades. What I object to - is the DA putting a big fat party political label to this to make themselves look good. It does not help us deal with the issue of providing cost effective basic services to outlying rural areas the provinces that have large rural areas.

      Keith - 2012-04-05 21:17

      My man Bongani - it is clear you have never visited the Eastern Cape. Sad to have our people neglected and forgotten... educate yourself with what has not been done and you will thank Helen for bringing their plight to your attention....

  • adshade - 2012-04-05 08:26

    Eastern Cape, I suppose in the context of development, is pretty much a different country, isn't it? We've all seen what those schools look like on TV...where's the human rights complaint against them? The Western Cape should be applauded for what they're doing to help South Africans who are severely disadvantaged. These kids are this country's future and we treat them no better than animals at the SPCA. It's disgusting really...makes me bloody furious! And Zille's comment has been taken out of context. She said "edu refugees," not "refugees." And by all accounts, they certainly are fleeing from educational squalor in the Eastern Cape. And if residents of the Western Cape are willing to contribute their taxes to support basic human rights for people from the Eastern Cape, then I certainly doubt that they'll treat these students like they're from a different country. What utter nonsense! Lukhona Mnguni is an absolute moron.

      lindaawhelan - 2012-04-05 09:41

      Mamphela Ramphele came out and said that education was better under apartheid at about the same time as Zille's education refugee comment. That was a much harsher comment but nobody is taking Ramphele to the SAHRC? Is that because she is not white?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:09

      Why Lindiwe, what a clever observation. Yes, she isn't white and she isn't the leader of the DA. Imagine what the sourpusses would complain about if she leaded the party.

      Peter - 2012-04-05 14:25

      Good point Lindiwe.

  • Vaaldonkie - 2012-04-05 08:26

    Send them back to the Eastern Cape.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 08:56

      @siyolise.matyila: Would you believe that even the blacks and more so the coloureds of the Western Cape DON’T want the people from the Eastern Cape to come and squad in the Western Cape? I find this very interesting don't you?

      Felix - 2012-04-05 08:59

      Care to explain Siyolise?

      Penny - 2012-04-05 09:00

      What a short sighted, moronic comment. What if other countries sent back all those that went outside SA to further their education? Any child (be they black, white, sky-blue pink, Pluto purple or Mars red) who comes to the Cape to further their education should be welcomed with open arms. It will only be through good education that all SA citizens will finally have their "rainbow" dreams realised.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:22

      @Bongani: Maybe but Jimmy Manyi isn’t party of the “over supply of coloureds” in the Western Cape now is he?

      Warren - 2012-04-05 09:24

      There are a few schools in Mpumalanga and Limpopo that cater for Zimbabwean, Botswanan and Mozambiquan students. Granted these are generally private schools, but we tolerate them without question. Ultimately as South Africans we have great vested interest in the youth of Southern Africa getting an education, especially South Africans. To simply tell them to go elswere will ultimately cost South African- irrelevant of province- tax money. I read somewhere that only 58% of tax collected in WP is spent here, and the rest goes to provinces like EC, so you are paying for their education anyway, at least make sure your money is well spent.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-05 09:31

      Solving the problem/costly move for people is not sending them back, but sorting out the problems in EC. Every-one deserve to move and strive for the best he/she can get, but the fact that people have to do it due to negligence and incompetency of a province is a problem and unfair.

  • mholthuysen - 2012-04-05 08:28

    South African politics is more and more becoming a soap opera; instead of seeing the facts that the majority of citizens are suffering due to the incompetence of the ruling party. How many citizens have FLED their homes due to economic, infrastructure and other problems.

  • IAnon - 2012-04-05 08:29

    @Mnguni - if the real scandal, as you say, is the denied right to education for hundreds of thousands of young South Africans in the Eastern Cape, and in other ANC-run province - then why not complain about the ANC to the SA Human Rights Commission?

      Nigel - 2012-04-05 08:50

      they have done

  • Lebogang - 2012-04-05 08:31

    Mam' Helen is very insensitive to what we have gone through. Unless she can imagine herself in our shoes and at least sympathise with us...SHE AIN'T GETTING NONE...of our votes. And this should go out to all liberals out there, including Lindiwe Mazibuko.

      Nigel - 2012-04-05 08:43

      oh like the ANC is sensitive to your needs, hahahahaha, you guys just never cease to amaze me, keep it up, soon you will have nothing.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 08:45

      So why exactly is the whites always supposed to save you from yourselves then? You say you are superior, your vote is superior but in practice...... well you but more specifically your beloved ANC leaves a lot to be desired.

      Felix - 2012-04-05 09:03

      Dude you aren't even 30 years old. Don't give me that 'what I've been through' crud. You've had it easy.

      Sean - 2012-04-05 09:31

      @Lebogang - I think it is time for YOU and the rest of the ANC to start taking responsibility for your own miserable failures !!!!!! Imagine you did not blame the whites , what then , EISH !!!

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-04-05 09:39

      Anyone can see you had your schooling in the EC and that is the reason why you do not know how to understand what she said and why you cannot think for yourself but fall in line with your neighbour's way of thinking. If your ANC does not fix the edu in EC you may soon not have any neighbours anymore and you will have to visit your old friends at their new risidence in WC.

      andreviljoenjoubert - 2012-04-05 10:31

      @Lebonang. You numb Nut. She was showing sympathy with her statement. But the ANC wants to side track their shortcoming. I myself went to WC as Namibia didn't have the course that I wanted to study. Therefore I was also an Edu Refugee.

      cj.venter - 2012-04-05 10:38

      i for one refuse to vote for a any party regardless of colour who's sole purpose is to steal all the money for themselves by raising taxes, electricity and fuel prices so the vast majority can starve to death in their lack of intellectual stimulation. the kids need the education, the fat cats need to go on a money spending diet and give us what we pay for...a sustainable income without having to scrape cents together to put bread on the table. Education is the gateway to economic and racial freedom! viva DA, Viva Zille, Viva Human rights!

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 12:54

      Hey Lebogang, if you were really around during Apartheid you would know that Helen Zille was part of the Black Sash movement that fought to END apartheid. SO to be truthful I think she understand better than you ever will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Zille here is a link, free your mind and educate yourself

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:14

      Lebogang, I suppose the ANC is really sensitive to your cause. That's why you keep voting for them and you keep waiting for the good times to roll by and all that comes your way is another bucket load of empty promises. You keep voting for them dude, the ones with brains are going the DA way.

      Jonathan - 2012-04-05 13:41

      Mister Lebogang , Mam Helen must be rather troubled that you have not checked on her credentials...I will give you a clue...Who was one of the two journalists who uncovered the Steve Biko tradegy??..Do u want to phone a friend?answer clue...google ...steve biko and helen zille

      Irma - 2012-04-05 15:45

      Like Julius Malema was being very sensitive to white people when he called us criminals? Or to Indian people when he called them Koolies?

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 16:41

      Jonathan Helen Zille and Donald Woods,the latter a personal friend of Biko.Where are the struggle creds?doing your job is now tantamount to being a struggle vet?pathetic

  • thabane.dladla - 2012-04-05 08:33

    U people u r so bias esh! Why don't you admit that Zille made a huge mistake 4 what she said but you (DA)protecting her. Wena Zille as a leader u dnt have ryt to call other ppl\ refugees\ who the hell you think you are ?'Typical'

      mholthuysen - 2012-04-05 08:42

      Because that is what one is - an economical refugee - if you pack your bags and leave due to an unacceptable situation in your life. One cannot call it any other word. Instead of making a huge hoo-haa about the word - don't you think it is time to analyse what she meant - and fix the problem? Or are you telling me that schools and hospitals and everything else is sooooooooo great in the Eastern Cape? As far as I can see with my own eyes the province is about to collapse just like Limpopo. See the facts!

      tom.vorster - 2012-04-05 08:43

      Tabane, I agree Zille's comment was insensitive in this very sensitive country of ours, however why do the ANC and their supporters focus on her words rather than do something positive like focus on the actual state of education in the Eastern Cape, which is absolutely dismal. Surely its time we started to generate some positive energy and start building up the nation rather than pull it down to the very low bar set by the rest of Africa.

      Piet - 2012-04-05 08:46

      You are uneducated.. Go back to grade 2 to learn how to spell. Your mixit spelling reflects on your IQ....

      Koos - 2012-04-05 08:47

      Why don’t the people go back to the utopia that is the eastern cape?

      thabane.dladla - 2012-04-05 08:51

      @I totally agree with you EC is collapsed dismally !! I hate ANC leaders they only think them self!!they are gravy train leaders ..I'm blk n I hav to admit we can't lead ppl in a proper manner cos where there is blk person there is huge problm . !!

      Penny - 2012-04-05 09:05

      You are a twit. I suggest you go look up the word "refugee" in a dictionary before you make another stupid statement which only goes to show that your education is seriously lacking...

      Felix - 2012-04-05 09:06

      Please elaborate on what exactly you think refugee means. Ever listened to the Fugees?

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-04-05 09:44

      @thabane. No, I think there are black people that can lead, but not being the aggressors they do not got a chance and get oppressed by the more aggressive black leaders. Aggressiveness mend in the "putting yourself forward" way. The majority un/lower educated black people still react on that and playing the traditional tune the people still vote blindly....and than get screwed....and vote blindly......and than get screwed.....and than vote blindly..... Lets be honest. We will need that vote to get the thinkers in power and there are plenty black ones, but as long as the tribal/loyalty drums play they have no chance in hell.

      fredahsm - 2012-04-05 12:52

      @thabane.dladla: is this the first time U noticed tht most on this platform are subjective? Dont get ur head crack on SOME dumb comments, U speak with ur vote bro........

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:17

      Thabane.dladla. Typical what?. White? Grow up.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:23

      Oh geez Hugo, don't start on Constantia again. You know how many black people live there today?. Manenburg was a hell hole long before the DA came into power and so was Langa. What did your blessed ANC do about it when they were in power?.

      Irma - 2012-04-05 14:45

      Well Julius Malema as a "leader" has no right to call people racist and koolies, but he did, didn't he? Typical of people with your kind of thinking to conveniently forget that... or wait, you aren't bothered by it because his comments weren't aimed at you...

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 16:45

      Jacqui no I dont,how many?Langa and Manenberg were hell holes before the DA took over you say but isn't chicken little's party supposed to be better and fix it?

      Klaus - 2012-04-06 01:25

      WHAT...??????

  • Annelize - 2012-04-05 08:38

    I know about thousands of refugees ~ who moved from the Eastern Cape to Gauteng. Why, better education, better job's, more money, better life style. And that is a fact, I was one of them!!! I am a refugee ~ LOCAL IS LEKKA.

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:12

      spin,smoke screen and mirrors hey Annelize,truth is Zille effectively killed her party's chances of ever running this country ever.

      clayton.bezuidenhout - 2012-04-05 10:46

      @Hugo I take it you are an ANC voter and I wouldn't be so quick to say that she will never be president. If what she has done in the WC could be done in south africa as a whole, then we would live in paradise.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 11:37

      @Hugo - hyperbole

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:40

      ok lets wait and see then claytonbezuinhout have you been to Langa?do you know it came at number two in murdure after KwaMashu?how about the gangsterism in places like Manenberg where witnesses are gunned down execution style.What paradise are you talking about?There is nothing wrong with supporting a party of your choice but everything wrong with choosing to ignore reality.Fact is DA works for whites who live in well off places like Constantia.The townships are a hell hole. Marion my mistake there,the DA never had one to start with.

      Liz - 2012-04-05 13:16

      Ja Annelize you are right - difference is that the Guateng premier is not calling you and the thousands who moved with you "refugees" and smugly suggesting it is a better run province.

      Dewald - 2012-04-05 19:12

      @Hugo, You can live in poverty but you don’t have to be a murderer. Building RDP houses will not turn any township into a decent community. Education levels must be raised (currently happening in WC) and the mentality off the people must change. Education is the key.. the only key.

      Dewald - 2012-04-05 19:12

      Continued.. The current freebies are not working...Simple example of the education problem. I went to Kleinmond last weekend and a black family wanted (I suspect a farm worker) to deposit a R1000 but he did not know how to enter R1000 cause the ,00 confused him. How do expect this country or and political party to run the country if the masses are not educated. I guess it easier to spread lies and keep the race issue alive and reap the benefits at the polls. A lot of the ministers earn in excess of R1000000.00 a year...to do what? My honest opinion. F&*k all politicians and the media. They spin a web of lies. They the politicians live like kings and queens. They turn the working classes against each other so they can rape and pillage the countries resources. Only a select few blacks and whites are millionaires and super rich. The rest of us must pay taxes through our arses and work like dogs 8 to 12 hours a day. I still can’t believe people are so blind to think that politicians have our best interest at heart. It is all about the big moola....if you still can’t see that they are turning the people against each other with the race card then there is no hope for this beautiful nation. Give me a mud hut, cattle and some mielies any day.

  • Nicholas - 2012-04-05 08:38

    This is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute!

  • Piet - 2012-04-05 08:40

    He is a MORON looking for attention....

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:13

      thought its his constitutional right?so only afriforum has a right to complain?why am I not suprised.

      fredahsm - 2012-04-05 12:56

      I think U an IDIOT not understanding tht everyone have a Constitutional right in this era in SA including urself.

  • Nigel - 2012-04-05 08:41

    look up the meaning of Refugee in the dictionary ...you stupid idiot !!!!! I suppose the gross human rights violations & violations of the constitution in the EC is absolutely perfectly fine by you, while the people of the Eastern Cape are denied basic education, you with your racist tendencies, find the time to raise petty issues that is ruled by your hatred for the DA. This is what is wrong with SA, too busy changing names & talking about talking, in-fighting over power, individuals securing govt positions & working on their own personal wealth & egos, & sheep like you keep voting & supporting these useless thieves & at the same time doing everything to suppress the only real successful party in the country. INDLOVU!!!!

      Klaus - 2012-04-06 01:32

      Hugo (Hubertus) did you learn nothing at Jeppe High?

  • Francois - 2012-04-05 08:43

    ditto to Helen!!!

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:14

      ditto to remaining an opposition party forever.

  • justin.pretorius - 2012-04-05 08:45

    Can I take the ANC to the SAHRC for giving our future generations one of the worst education systems ever? Can I take the ANC to the SAHRC for affirmative action and BEE? No, because only white people can be racist according to the anti-white groups

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:17

      actually you can.Infact please do.Just gather your facts because heresay does not count with the SAHRC.

  • roftyleroux - 2012-04-05 08:50

    Dufaq is this sorcery? Half the ANC is vrot with "racial slurring" but I dont see them before the HRC. Hey ANC, go to hell!

  • Rvn - 2012-04-05 08:51

    @bluzulu - Why must she watch what she says? She said nothing wrong... Its because of the state of education in this country why you think she said something wrong....Do you even know what refugee means? "Definition - One who flees to a shelter, or place of safety". Its not the color of your skin. Guys are Fleeing EC to come to the WC to get better education, therefor they are refugees. Why has everything got to be black and white...Come on!

      Tshepo - 2012-04-05 09:00

      Go to your dick-tionary and check the definition of 'alien' and tell me if it'd be ok of me to call you alien.

      Rvn - 2012-04-05 09:15

      @Tshepo - there are a few different one but im guessing you're talking about this one? "Not belonging to the same country, land, or government, or to the citizens or subjects thereof; foreign" I was born in Africa therefor im African? Definition of African. "a native, inhabitant, or citizen of any of the countries of Africa" So no im not an alien, i am African. Or is the dictionary wrong or your South African education wrong?

  • Deon - 2012-04-05 08:52

    And I bet by balls this refugee is a ANC politician

  • peterjohnjnb - 2012-04-05 08:54

    oh PUH-LEEEEEZEEEEE REALLY????????????? THIS is news????? THIS???????????????

  • Nare - 2012-04-05 08:57

    court this court that....can't this clowns focus on service delivery

      fredahsm - 2012-04-05 13:01

      I think Court battle will be interesting on this one............

  • MoeParak - 2012-04-05 08:57

    Maybe this idiot who complained should channel his time in other directions, like seeking to eliminate corruption in the Easter Cape by exposing the corrupt. Going after Zille, who is actually doing something is just dumb

  • tshekiso.saul - 2012-04-05 08:57

    well they are politisizing the strikes at WC. And by the way how would she feel to be called a REFUGEE cause she is one too. A political one.

      Penny - 2012-04-05 09:11

      Um, sorry, you've lost me. Why is she a "political" refugee? In fact why is she a "refugee" at all?

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-04-05 09:17

      @penny is a WCaepr by origin or u r retard like them to think only the rich must relocate to the WC. Ahhh.

      Penny - 2012-04-05 09:48

      Methinks "retard" is more applicable to your good self. You still haven't answered my questions...

      Klaus - 2012-04-06 01:39

      @penny, with an "Room temperature IQ he will never be able to answer your question..!! But please keep asking.

  • Thoka - 2012-04-05 08:57

    We all poluted RSA with racial boundries and intolerance . lets kill each other and live this beautiful country in piece.

  • Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 08:58

    I'm getting tired of these racist morons who hide behind the DA emblem and complain about how useless our young democracy is. We have all been oppressed for over 400 years but some comment in oblivion that a black government is useless and incompetent of governing this country.

      Ocean-Maosh - 2012-04-05 09:07

      Maphalala u confuse dear,dis Zille mus apologise not to victims but to the nation,her statement violates section 21 of human righst,wat do u say about that,think dear no body is above law

      Kyle - 2012-04-05 09:09

      Would it be to assume you are black? Based on your user name. She didn't mention race. She said refugees. And if you had 2 working braincells you would know what the word refugees mean and that it has nothing to do with race. The fact that our leaders are incompetent has nothing to do with their race, but rather their inability to lead. You can't deny that corruption is rife throughout and there seems to be no end in sight.

      mholthuysen - 2012-04-05 09:17

      Actually I am getting sick and tired of these racist morons who run this country. And yes the ANC is useless else they would do something for ALL South Africans and not line their own pockets. Being oppressed for 400 years - well what do you think we have now with this muppet show called government - corruption oppression, economic oppression, educational oppression, liberty oppression - that is your ANC who can do some much more. And the current government is incompetent in governing our country - Limpopo, Eastern Cape, Pietermaritzburg, Gauteng, Northern Cape, KZN, Durban - do I need to add any more "success" stories - or is the R 30.000.000.000 stolen from the people in South Africa in 2011 alone by your "competent" government not enough!

      Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 09:22

      @ Kyle dude, its got nothing to do with the refugee tag that's given to the pupils from the Eastern Cape to go

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-04-05 09:24

      @kyle even a ten year old child would know EC is a black major province created by racial divide apparteid morons so it is clear to her reference. The white rich oaks sending their kids to upmarket schools there are ok according to u.she is liable to be taken to HRC. U never thought she would say a very stupid thing like that right?

      Assis - 2012-04-05 09:27

      Mbuyi...previously many South Africans settled as being second class citizens whilst the few were priviledged...the problem is that though the colour of the leadership has changed there are still many second class citizens out there. EC is one of the provinces that continues the same route as in the past. Why can't the EC have the same quality of education as the WC...you will actually be surprised that the DA is fighting for equality more than you can imagine.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:27

      @tshekiso.saul: Except for the refugee statement, what else did she say? Do you even know? Unlike the ANC that “gets misquoted” all the time she in fact got quoted out of context. Nothing will happen to her as she said nothing wrong. This is the “best” the ANC has against Zille? Pfff!

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-05 09:48

      @mbuyi: are you happy with the state of the nation? Do you believe the ANC are doing their best for the people of south Africa? Is their service delivery good? Are our children in government schools receiving an adequate education? Are our hospitals delivering a quality incomparable health service? Are those officials that have access to public funds honest and beyond reproach? I will be very surprised if You can TRUTHFULLY say " yes" to even 1 of the above questions. This is not a race issue - the actions of government affect each and every one of us, irrespective of who we are.

      Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 10:06

      Come on guys some of you don, t want to acknowledge the racial divide that is polarised by people like great pretenders like Zille. Some of us are not as illiterate

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-05 10:19

      @mbuyi: don't Change the subject - please answer my questions

      Chris - 2012-04-05 10:24

      Listen here!!!!!! Because you wear glasses, it doesn't make you intelligent

      Koos - 2012-04-05 10:38

      @Mbuyi: Job interview: Question 1: Are you black? Question 2: Are you affiliated with the ANC? Question 3: Are you affiliated with anyone within this organization? Question 4: Are you related to anyone within this organization? ...... Question 13: Do you have a criminal record (open to interpretation by the interview panel): …… Question 56: Do you have any relevant experience? Question 57: Do you have any qualifications? Nope, no racial divide that or polarization here.

      Assis - 2012-04-05 10:44

      Mbuyi...so if in your view some-one in public office is perceived racist...then they are great pretenders all the time? But it's fine if some-one is a fraudsters, dishonest, selfish, corrupt as long as they are not racists...is that what is important to you ?

      Kyle - 2012-04-05 11:48

      @Mbuyi and tsekhiso. You both seem to fail what I'm saying. She used the word refugees, Not BLACK or AFRICAN refugees. There was no mention of race. The race of the school kids isn't the problem here. Its the lack of education provided by the government. So what if the white kids go to private schools. Just accept that the ANC has failed to deliver. Stop trying to look for a scapegoat. As for the refugee comment, let Ms Zille apologise and get it over with. its 2012. Leave your apartheid hatred in the past. We have to look to the future.

      Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 12:17

      @ Kyle, the injustices of the past that took more than 400 years cannot be undone in less that even 20 years dude. Remember the eastern cape was a predominantly a black homeland, yes there are rotten potatoes in the government and I'm not condoning that.

      Kyle - 2012-04-05 12:58

      @Mbuyi. You are making a mountain out of a molehill. You call the DA \racist\. What proof do you have of this? Because the party leader is white? Then by the same token, the ANC is sexist because the party leader is male. What should of concern is not Ms Zille's comments, but rather the inactions of The ANC who are constantly falling short on service delivery. Please explain the Billions of rands that have neen stolen through corruption, something of which the ANC has failed to actively combat. Think of how much good that money could have done if it was used properly. Think of the millions wasted on golden handshakes and \expensive\ holidays all of which the state pays. You don't seem to upset about that.

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 13:07

      You've been alive for 400 years?! Dude you look awesome for your age! I am sure you are looking forward to the next 400 years of "freedom"... I think in order to identify the people who are responsible for the divide that is polarizing people, you need to look no further than the mirror. As an awesome group once said: "when you only have love for your own race, you only leave space to discriminate..." that goes for all races. You want war for the next 400 years because you feel that the last 400 years were unfair...you do know that humans rarely get older than a 100 years right? SO in essence you would like 3 more generations of hate and suffering before we can have peace? Nah dude we want peace now, in my lifetime I want to see peace between humans, but people like you have nothing but hate

      Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 13:22

      @ Kyle

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:30

      Mbuyi. Our young democracy is useless and your ANC is to blame for that. Oppressed for 400hundred years!!. Bro' your ancestors did a fine job of oppression when they came flocking across the country many years ago. Why do you people like the victim role so much.? Does it make you feel nice?.

      Mbuyi Mabuya Maphalala - 2012-04-05 13:55

      @ Jacqui?

      Irma - 2012-04-05 14:59

      Unless you are of Koi or San origin, then you are foreign to this land too. My family has probably been here as long as yours. But, come on, look at other African countries. Look how well Ghana is run. Botswana and Mauritius too. There are very well run African countries run by black governments. Then look at countries run in Europe by white people- Greece for example. A white government. Fact is it doesn’t matter whether you are black or white. If you can’t run a country, you can’t run a country. Race has nothing to do with your abilities, you either have them or you don’t.

      Dewald - 2012-04-05 19:26

      Fact.. the ANC was a Liberation movement. Fact they cant govern. Where is the inteligent leaders? Please step forward. I dont know why black people cling to the ANC. They have done their job it is finish... klaar. Anyway it was the people who fought not just the ANC.

  • Marion - 2012-04-05 09:02

    This youth activist has every right to take Helen Zille to the SA Human Rights Commission for judgement on this matter. Whilst many of us don't think there is any substance to his claim, the SAHRC may have a different take on it. Helen Zille, whom I greatly respect, is not above being censured. We should never forget that. She is just a human being who can also make mistakes.

      Penny - 2012-04-05 09:16

      Fine, agreed! But can you please explain why something so mindless can cause such a big outcry. Whose rights have been violated anyway? Has anybody asked these students who have chosen to relocate to the Western Cape whether they think their rights have been violated by being denied a good education if they stay in the Eastern Cape or whether they consider their rights have been violated by being called "refugees". Methinks I know what their answer would be...

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 09:23

      give yourself a bells for always being sensible

      Marion - 2012-04-05 09:33

      Penny the people who are upset by it have looked at one definition of the word 'refugee'. Those of us who weren't offended by it looked at a different meaning of the word. We must never consider Helen Zille as being an 'untouchable'. If she is vindicated by the SAHRC then taking her there is a good thing. If she is censured by the SAHRC then taking her there is also a good thing. We must be careful lest we fall into the same trap as the ANCYL who swear blind allegiance to someone even when that person could be out of line.

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-04-05 10:05

      @Marion i said it last week, i say it today again; You ar MILE ahead interms of intelligence from people in this blog. You ar of those people that i can hve a cup of Rooibos with.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 10:47

      Thank you cosmos. I try to stay objective but, 'cos I'm human, I don't always succeed in that. :-)))

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:02

      CONGRATULATIONS Marion, I respect you. Thanks for the bilateral view of this issue.

  • Hermann - 2012-04-05 09:04

    Ag shame

  • Ben - 2012-04-05 09:05

    SAVE THE EASTERN CAPE REFUGEES!!!!

  • almarrakesh.resources - 2012-04-05 09:05

    It's an indication of the seriousness of her "crime" that this is all they can pin on her.

  • Frank - 2012-04-05 09:16

    "That is the scandal for sure" I will be claiming Refugee status in the Western Cape next month,may just look for a new school as well.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:19

      Let us hope the refugees who went before you didn't burn down that school you are looking for.

  • Eric - 2012-04-05 09:18

    This "activist" boy has probably never worked a day in his life - just like Juju! Go for it, Godzille!

      Keith - 2012-04-05 10:34

      Possibly not having a job is not entirely his fault. It will, of course, forever be the fault of apartheid.

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:49

      you know this how?

  • AnthonyZA - 2012-04-05 09:19

    Give the man a dictionary.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:05

      Refugee Meaning and Definition: 1. (n.) One who flees to a shelter, or place of safety. 2. (n.) Especially, one who, in times of persecution or political commotion, flees to a foreign power or country for safety; as, the French refugees who left France after the revocation of the edict of Nantes Thats the definition of the dictionary.... Now, is Zille's labelling justifiable in view of the above definition?

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:48

      insulting,any way enough already we will let her know at the polls.

      fredahsm - 2012-04-05 14:08

      @Azande: U the only one that used the correct dictionary "a foreign country" and those educated enough could not even find the correct dictionary to use........

  • jorg.gurtler - 2012-04-05 09:25

    ANC is afraid of the DA...one day we will rule this land,try as you may, to discredit the DA...all competent adults understand the context in which Mrs Zille meant the statement, all the ANC is doing is trying to discredit her in any way...be afraid...as allot of your supporters are coming around,and we will welcome them with open arms...your gravy train has run for long enough,20yrs people have been waiting for their share which the ANC promised,and nothing has come of any of it except higher cost of living in all spheres of life..VOTE DA...no other option.

  • ella.rowan - 2012-04-05 09:25

    I wonder if anyone has taken the time to ask the Eastern Cape parents who have to send their children to school in the Western Cape, literally kilometres away, how they feel about the situation. I’m sure they would prefer having fully functional schools across the street or around the corner from their homes and not across the country!!! Deal with the real issue at hand people!!

  • itumrad - 2012-04-05 09:26

    I'm Tswana living in joburg am I not a refugee myself? If so then we all refugees in our country.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:29

      Technically some parts of Jo’burg are not South African anymore... but that is just my opinion.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 09:36

      The area I live in definitely has more refugees than born and bred South Africans.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:07

      Fact is, you cannot be a refugee in your own country.

  • jcistheman - 2012-04-05 09:33

    Zille's statement stands, prove her wrong instead of just bitching about it. If anyone needs to be rolled out in front of the HRC it's the current ruling party for letting education get to this tragic point of decay in the Eastern Cape. No more excuses and scapegoats!

  • Wayne - 2012-04-05 09:35

    Oh for Pete's sake! "posing a threat of stigmatising people of the Eastern Cape as foreigners in the Western Cape". What a waste of time and energy. Mguni, you need to find bigger issues to champion.

  • Tumisang - 2012-04-05 09:36

    while at it, this \youth activist\ must take the EC dept of education to HRC over human rights violation for denyin EC kids their constitutional rights for education

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:42

      AMEN! There are none as blind as the ones who refuse to see.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:09

      Yes, as a matter of fact he submitted two complaints, the second one is exactly about EC. So, can you now agree that Zille needs to apologize?

  • Chris - 2012-04-05 09:38

    Why should I be labeld in my own country, are the people deffending zille the same people who supported apartheid???? If Zille doesnt apologize to thiz one NO MORE VOTEs FROM ME...

      Jean Meyer - 2012-04-05 09:52

      No one labeled you. They labeled the kids from Ecape coming to the Wcape for education. You may sound like you need education but I don't think you were one of those children. Get over yourself.

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-05 09:53

      That's pathetic Chris. What about Malema calling all white people criminals. - or is that different? I sure found that offensive - as I'm sure did many other white South Africans!

      Chris - 2012-04-05 10:26

      If this is how Zille is going to conduct her self by "Sayin it as it is" while offending others its fine, you can deffend her all all you want.

      Keith - 2012-04-05 10:37

      Chris, did you ever vote DA?

      Bless Boswell - 2012-04-05 10:41

      Chris, I not defending Zille, I'm drawing a parallel between what she said and what Malema said - they were both found to be insulting, but only Zille is brought to book? Why?

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:40

      Chris, who is labeling you?. Look I admit Zille's use of the term refugee was thoughtless. What I can't understand is the outcry, fired by the ANC, by people who clearly have no inclination of just what this word means. For your information, I never supported apartheid and I think you are a bit over the top with your threat of not voting for the DA. After all you are voting for the party and not for Zille aren't you?. By the way I am not a DA member either.

  • Olive - 2012-04-05 09:38

    I wonder how much he was paid by the ANC!!! This reporting is to try and take our minds away from the real problems in SA - Not working!!!!

  • Pieter Erasmus - 2012-04-05 09:38

    Zille just used the word in the wrong context, really lame to complain

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 10:13

      she shud apologise then!

      clayton.bezuidenhout - 2012-04-05 10:54

      @hugo...she probably will...to keep your mouth shut. I will do the same just so that the blah,blah,blah could stop.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:10

      @clayton, you definitely do not know politics.

      Hugo - 2012-04-05 12:45

      to keep my mouth shut you say,hey meisie let me remind you that she NEEDS MY VOTE to stay in power!

      Dewald - 2012-04-05 19:39

      OMG south africans are the biggest bunch of cry babies in the world. get a life....

  • Erika - 2012-04-05 09:40

    Helen - please do not apologise. They are "escaping" their circumstances where their local government can't manage and can't provide. Fine by me to call them refugees. Where are we all going to "escape" to if the same happens in the WC? Stand strong.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 12:28

      @Erika - I know people who thought that Helen used twitter very well - in the beginning - and have now noticed that she has been sucked into the twitter machine on occasion and can sometimes be plain rude to people and that she feeds trolls. I'm talking DA supporters here, not other political parties. She needs to go back to using twitter to her advantage and thus the advantage of the DA. For whatever reason, people have been offended and so the right thing to do would be for Helen to apologize unreservedly because I am sure it was never her intention to offend anyone.

      Jacqui - 2012-04-05 13:43

      Marion, Twitter is a social network and Zille should maybe not use it at all. Politics are just that and too many on Twitter are polishing their egos and very little else.

      Marion - 2012-04-05 13:55

      True Jacqui.

  • nomkhosi.cosment - 2012-04-05 09:42

    Does da term refugge means \black students\? Or she did mention she is referring 2 black students? Y r we throwing tantrums on something so useless? My fellow black ppl we r better dan dat, let us try and improve our low self esteem

      clayton.bezuidenhout - 2012-04-05 10:57

      If only everybody could make sense of this like you do.

      Azande - 2012-04-05 12:13

      @Nomkhosi, you are clueless. keep your garbage inside you please.

      Jenny - 2012-04-05 13:12

      Nomkhosi - you are right. We should ALL reserve our tantrums for something that really is damaging to all of us, like the proposed secrecy bill or the changing of the constitution. I hope you don't suffer from lack of self esteem - you shouldn't.

      vuyisan - 2012-04-05 22:20

      @nomkhosi: she did not have to mention the race here, we all know who was she referring to. it is unfortunate that she sees those people as refugees.

  • Kyle - 2012-04-05 09:42

    people love talking about race. Especially blacks. Its always about white demons, or black corruption. The world is going down the drain for all of us, so please, pull up ur socks SA. A new era is upon us. We need to work together, forever.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 09:56

      When will it end? Never! You can’t stop human nature. When all the whites have left or are dead the Zulus will be killing the Xhosa's. After that the dark skinned African will be killing the light skinned African. After that they will find some other excuse to kill each other. There will always be conflict. There will always be the haves and the have not’s. There will always be creators and destroyers. The only way we will truly unite is when a common threat will threaten us as a species but I can’t see that happening very soon.

      Kyle - 2012-04-05 10:04

      well koos, i guess you better wait for the aliens to arrive. There are a lot of positives out there, you just seem to be the negative side of the battery. Talking only of violence invites violence. In a sense, you are right, but that attitude doesn't even help the chicken with its morning sh*t.

      Koos - 2012-04-05 10:39

      True Kyle but in South Africa that chicken has 2 futures but pretty much one logical outcome. I can leave the chicken and “harvest” the eggs or I can kill the chicken before its morning sh*t and have nothing for tomorrow. If I chose to harvest the eggs chances are someone will steal the eggs and most probably murder the chicken. It might be a shi**y attitude but this is our reality. Bottom line – the chicken will be dead. Funny thing about a battery, it moves from positive to negative and then it runs flat and there is nothing left. I’m well aware of some positives but I don’t ignore the negatives. Unfortunately in the grand scheme of things there is only one logical and dare I say inevitable outcome.

      betsy.compaan - 2012-04-05 13:30

      Cluck I'm happy I'm not a chicken on Koos's farm!

  • nomkhosi.cosment - 2012-04-05 09:43

    Does da term refugge means \black students\? Or she did mention she is referring 2 black students? Y r we throwing tantrums on something so useless? My fellow black ppl we r better dan dat, let us try and improve our low self esteems

  • Herbert - 2012-04-05 09:45

    She was only telling it like it is. The ANC has been actively using state resources to "move" EC under educated, under fed and under resourced "economic immigrants" to the well run province that is the Western Cape. surely no one can deny this. C'mon JZ and Gwede "Loose tooth" Mantashe own up to the fact that you are using "dark arts" to try and change the Western Cape to a faltering province like provinces in which the ANC governs.