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Zuma, Motlanthe supporters clash – in song

2012-06-28 17:00

Johannesburg - More than 200 delegates singing songs in favour of President Jacob Zuma disrupted a walkabout by Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe during the ANC’s policy conference as divisions among delegates spilled out into the open.

The group, mostly delegates from KwaZulu-Natal, stunned bystanders when they marched out of the lunch venue, holding up two fingers indicating both a second term and transition and singing: "uZuma yo, second transition. Sivumelana [we all agree]".

They also sang "those who burn Zuma’s T-shirt will get a bullet" and other songs in praise of Zuma.

It started when, during Motlanthe's walkabout, the group, which had dwindled to 70 stormed through the exhibition hall while singing pro-Zuma songs.

As they moved through the hall, minders ushered him into the VIP lounge adjacent to the hall.

The group continued through the exhibition hall at the other side and was joined outside by more Zuma supporters.

After 5 minutes a group of about an equal size of Motlanthe supporters retaliated with songs about the deputy president.

The Motlanthe supporters rolled their hands in a soccer substitution sign, indicating change.

Up to now there has been very little open singing at the conference, except for the opening session on Tuesday. Even then the singing in this plenary was fairly subdued.

But this open show of divisions indicate that the debate in this afternoon’s plenary could get heated.

The second transition proposal has received a lukewarm reception in the commissions where it was discussed yesterday.

One delegate, who is opposed to the second transition, complained that there was too much personalisation of the second transition issue and not enough emphasis on the theory.

He said delegations from KwaZulu-Natal, Mpumalanga and some from the Free State were especially vocal about a second transition.

SACP general-secretary Blade Nzimande, who was standing near where the marchers passed with a group of SACP leaders, said there had been “robust” debates.

He also said it didn’t matter what the second transition was called, there was broad consensus on it.

SACP central committee member Sheila Barsel, who was standing with Nzimande, said "that is people's creativity because 20 seconds after things happened, they will make a song".

Comments
  • rendy.nevondo - 2012-06-28 16:03

    Tribalist tendencies frm cdes frm kzn,,,,just sayin

      Bardy - 2012-06-28 17:06

      Love it! The ANC is coming apart at the seams! It's not long now...

      Press - 2012-06-28 17:18

      Whats this song and dance routine thing - African Idols ??

      Christelle - 2012-06-28 17:25

      This is so embarrassing. How can we be a power recognized in the world if we behave like this!!!!

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-28 17:54

      ANC maaifoedies!

      scouter.fourone - 2012-06-28 18:00

      @BULLS-BALLS 'I CAN SHOOT AND RUN AT THE SAME TIME!' I don't doubt it. My experience of your kind is that it is normally running away whilst firing an AK on full auto backward over the shoulder. Go and be a Rambo somewhere else.

      Christelle - 2012-06-28 18:06

      I thought it to be courteous to all on this forum to post in English??

      thabang.bonang.7 - 2012-06-28 18:18

      @Rendy, lets hope the old IFP tendencies which represented Zulu pride and political power will not infiltrate into the ANC.

      liana.loots - 2012-06-28 18:49

      @bulls-balls...thanks for educating the peoples. Singing songs bring euphoria.....CHEAP TRIP!!! LOL.

      john.barbarian.9 - 2012-06-28 21:52

      Tribe has spoken...hahaha

      themba.qwabe.1 - 2012-06-29 08:45

      your ineptitude drives you to reduce arguements to either tribalistic or racist. Surely there is no hope for us in this country if peoples mindset is still what i see and read on this debate. Someone mst rescue us from this ignorance which pretends to know all yet nothing.

  • somikazi.pita - 2012-06-28 16:34

    Circus!

  • gavin.lott.9 - 2012-06-28 17:06

    Nothing quite like a good song...I mean isn't that how most countries were built..!?!?

      evanknowles - 2012-06-28 19:28

      I don't know about countries, but I've heard that we built this city on rock and roll.

  • Irene - 2012-06-28 17:07

    So are they having a conference or a choir competition? Don't think they even know!

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-28 17:48

      they will be comparing their spears soon!

      Bulls - 2012-06-28 18:00

      Thank God you not there to show your no-there spear, spartan.

      spartanx93 - 2012-06-28 18:34

      @Blue-balls - I would not want to be there. I would rather have you there giving them both your support with a hand job!

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-06-28 17:13

    At the moment it is zulu power its got nothing to do with the ANC. It is tribalism. Its time for those in parliment to sit up and take heed. zulu's will get the cream of the crop if zuma is voted a second term. Zuma has a secret agenda, just watch.

      lephans.lufuno - 2012-06-28 17:30

      I am 100% agreeing with u dis guy has a secret agenda indeed

  • lotus.river.5 - 2012-06-28 17:19

    Oh my word!why should I buy ticketd to see trevor noah if there's better entertainment at anc conferences!

  • carl.debeer.33 - 2012-06-28 17:22

    One day two tribes will go to war...

      mondli.botha.7 - 2012-06-28 17:27

      Which tribes are those so that we can put the fire out.

      johann.pretorius.7 - 2012-06-28 17:41

      Did this not almost happen in the mid 80's? Zulu's supposedly armed with ammo by the bored, and then the Shell house incident?

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-06-28 18:20

      Dream on Carl. The only war here was when you, whites came and fought for the ownership of our country. There can never be any war here.

      scouter.fourone - 2012-06-28 19:27

      @Gladstone Have you never read about Shaka's exploits just by way of one example of tribal subjugation - or were your history books never delivered to your school?

      Chris - 2012-06-28 22:54

      And I am sure the DA is sitting back, watching this circus and smiling! They are going to gain so much more support cause the ANC are busy imploding!!

  • ndyeboreginaldmazawule - 2012-06-28 17:23

    I guess Zuma will also develop some attitude like he did four years back before the sacking of the former president as he said, 'you are busy beating a snake while it is already dead.' Then are we going to see another COPE as this is the beggining of unknown?

      ferero.roche.96 - 2012-06-28 19:09

      I hope we see seven different "COPE"s this time, more division is brilliant

  • magomarele - 2012-06-28 17:24

    Tribalism right there. These people belong in the dustbin of history. We don't need this.

  • donovan.hendricks.7 - 2012-06-28 17:25

    So what's new? That's the african way of doing things,singing and dancing and acting like fools,its their cultcha.

      mokhoaetsidavid.chicco - 2012-06-29 17:41

      and you are?

  • Muffin_man_can - 2012-06-28 17:29

    Creativity? More like primitive and idiotic. Sing a song and make a little dance, the circus continues.

  • braamc - 2012-06-28 17:30

    There is also no pill for stupidity

  • lephans.lufuno - 2012-06-28 17:38

    Thats what they know the most,dancing and singing and to hell with it, no 2nd term we had enough of good talks with no fullfilment, we need a change indeed.

  • eugene.m.geel - 2012-06-28 17:39

    These okes will sing for anybody who gives them a KFC Streetwise 2 and a bottle of Blue Label Johnny Walker and a black Merc.

  • duma.nkabinde - 2012-06-28 17:42

    That's the problem with the ANC we do too much singing!!!!!!!

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-28 22:16

      I agree...all very well to sing to express oneself...but it rather primitive, you don't see other countries doing this....the duty of government is to work hard making policies that are service delivery orientated...it's not about making poetic songs.

  • john.fourie.18 - 2012-06-28 17:46

    Wat is dit? 'n Kleuresport byeenkoms?

  • victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-28 17:46

    ""Carien du Plessis and Mandy Rossouw, City Press"" Another pair of fairy tale authors, It's amazing how certain Press organizations spin lies for their supporters. Just trying so hard to make the detractors feel good. Try as you may , there is NO stopping this Freight train............

      Press - 2012-06-28 18:03

      Are you there, you know the reported story not to be true, or are you just talking nonsense to yourself ?

      victor.tamaranui - 2012-06-28 18:28

      Yes I was singing as well............There was NO animosity just singing different songs. I suggest if the Two Authors were true RSA,s they would Know this or is it just about sales ????

      Boy - 2012-06-28 19:27

      your'e lying vic., or did you just fly up for the singalong and flew back down?

      scouter.fourone - 2012-06-28 19:51

      If @Boy is correct, it looks to me like your credibility/integrity just flew out the window Victor

      Press - 2012-06-29 00:46

      Victor - the two authors did not speak of animosity in the article - you did - so why should they know this - and why are they not "true RSA's" as a consequence of your false claim ?

  • andy.molekwa - 2012-06-28 17:49

    If Zuma destroy the child's grant,he destroy the nation of tomorrow,yes he have money to do every thing and his people ANC(Zuma supporters)please leave the grant and come with plan B

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-06-29 08:58

      @andy....the children grant should be carefully monitored,if this just given to anyone...it will turn the youth into a bunch of losers..because they will become dependent on the grants and be to lazy to get a job or start a small business....IT'S REALLY A BAD IDEA...only children left as orphans should be granted.It also is costing the country plenty...that money could rather be used for....improving service delivery.

  • andy.molekwa - 2012-06-28 17:50

    If Zuma destroy the child's grant,he destroy the nation of tomorrow,yes he have money to do every thing and his people ANC(Zuma supporters)please leave the grant and come with plan B

  • rezo.mosepele - 2012-06-28 17:53

    Is it that difficult to sit down n decide on policies that will best suits economic conditions and compose policies that will assist in combating the current socio-economic problems. Without fights for positions. ANC is spinning out of control

  • mkhuseli.njamela - 2012-06-28 18:04

    What do u expect from former Inkatha Freedom Party members...

      Press - 2012-06-28 18:14

      You suggesting the IFP has taken over the ANC ?

  • raymond.kok3 - 2012-06-28 18:11

    tik tok tik tok its happening robust discussion my foot more dog eat dog klomp skobbejakke

  • Pridie Makoya Mnguni - 2012-06-28 18:13

    what secret agenda are u talking about!

  • thb.herbert - 2012-06-28 18:22

    let the drama begin,we ready to watch

  • nimrod.mqonqo - 2012-06-28 18:23

    Can some commentators clarify this for me: 1) Is the second term for being the President of the ANC or of the country? 2) If for the President of the country, what if the ANC looses in 2014? 3) should Zuma loose in Mangaung in 2012, will he finish his term as Presdent of the country or will he be recalled? 4) If he is recalled would there be \loyal\ cabinet ministers who would go with him? And if so who are they?

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-06-28 18:43

    This is part 1 of Mangaung

  • leko.dada1 - 2012-06-28 18:46

    Usuthu olumabheshw 'ankone simple freelancing within ANC...

  • mantsho.tlali - 2012-06-28 18:56

    We have to be prepared, the war is coming soon in South Africa.

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-06-28 18:58

    Hey all you people. Lets just get us, the sober heads, together. Change need to be made, but in such a way that stabilization gets maintain. I get a feeling that most on this blog are sober minded people of the more middle class. The ones that pay the most taxes and the ones that are the most in touch with reality. Maybe we can start forming a group and do all changes and controlling properly. The politicians are clearly there for own benefit and the are having their own handbag tiff between each other. In the end our group are going to be the biggest losers. We will differ, but at least we also show compassion when needed. The poor gets misused for their vote and us for our tax money.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-06-28 19:53

      Yea, fannie, I am, but not us(commentators) and i believe if we not start informing / helping these people they will be victims, without choice, for ever. I known it will be difficult, but if we not doing it these people will stay victims, blamed on something else, without knowing it. Yes, fannie, I know we pay the majority of taxes, that keeps them alive, but we must inform/help them to be better informed to enable them to make proper decisions to secure their future. They will benefit, we will benefit and the country will benefit. In my community the better off black and white are baas while the "lower level" are looking up to us. Mostly black and than a smaller part white, but the start reflecting the population. We spoke about it and realized that we start living in a class society, but our politicians try to class us still in a race groups. We know that they can change everything, but we will still end up in "class group". We must fight the politicians and an unfair "class system." I do not know if i put it too correct in English, but I believe it is the real problem and it was started by our fat cat / corrupt politicians. We, you and me, are the only ones to secure success. Coming back to your point. if people are serious of success, after being properly informed, they will be willing to suffer for longer, as they claim they do and can do, for longer to allow you and me to help them/change for the better. The secret to power is praying on mystery of....

  • Avesh Athmanand - 2012-06-28 18:58

    Yes I will vote ANC if Zuma is President again !!!

  • castro.anzi - 2012-06-28 19:01

    Anybody who listen to this fool called Zuma during election season must just know that you are up for being fooled. As we all know him by now, he likes sounding popular & playing on people's emotions only for him to care for his village & endless appetite for women & purunyakas - he must be rejected as we did we his second transition deceit

  • Carlton - 2012-06-28 19:06

    One I noticed about news 24 reporting is that what is written as the headline as really nothing to due the article for instance how many of Kgamelas supporters where there what where they singing did they sing ect.

  • patrick.foya1 - 2012-06-28 19:19

    Mbeki was given second term so do Zuma , i dnt see anything with that.

      sandi.mblashwa - 2012-06-28 19:45

      mandela came with recociliation on his era, and mbeki came up with african renaissence on his era. I want to know about current president?

      Tommo - 2012-06-29 00:05

      @Sandi. The current president is still thinking. He has six wives that keep him very busy.

      ramohapelwa.berries - 2012-06-29 07:37

      Patrick do you mean- Mandela did it, Mbeki did it? SO WHY CAN'T ZUMA DID IT? Presidents Nelson Mandela

  • mveleli.zacharia.7 - 2012-06-28 19:50

    Yeses sometimes ndiyazisola ngoba ngumlandeli we ANC akho mbeko sebohlukene phakathi nangoku, ingaba i COPE yesibini yanuka

  • ishmael.valoyi - 2012-06-28 19:58

    Got a feeling that if zuma get a 2nd term in office,then that will b the end of the road for the anc come national elections.DA will take over..with anc winning kzn only

      mokhoaetsidavid.chicco - 2012-06-29 17:24

      you forget western cape

  • steward.mcfreed - 2012-06-28 20:03

    I know singing songs being symbolic to happiness especial when celebrating victory. What is this pathetic singing of Motlhatle and Zumas' supporters all about? what really stimulate excitement within them? You belong to one party but you have made yourselves a global mockery. Being divided yourselves as a ruling party how do you expect us to trust you in uniting the nation? Why don't you reflect unity first within yourselves for the nation to trust you? I guess charity begins at home my friends you really blundered.You are behaving just like a woman who goes about telling strangers that, the husband's underwear has a big hole underneath shame you. I am not surprised why the youth leaders are disrespectful they really learned from the stupid adults. As the nation we are no interested who do you want to choose as your president just sort it out quietly within your party and deliver the nation's great expectations. But let me warn you, if you are not a born leader it does not matter how high your supporters will jump,how loud they sing and whistle through their asses in the state house, that will not change the state of affairs. You will not become a leader you power greed will destroy us all.

      abby.salemane - 2012-06-28 20:36

      @steward, it show that you see us Natives of the land in a sad but in derogatory terms as unacceptabl emainly owing to the confusion to the confusion that exist over our African culture. Your view as a westerner is that our traditional African culture is a loss of discipline and dignity. However that is the way we as Africans express our unity in a physical or demonstrative way. In many instances this expression is through dance or song. singing gives supporters, can be rivals or not an opportunity to share an expression of a single vision, emotion or belief, both verbally and passionately as most supporters have their own symbolic leaders. The leaders usually understand and nuture this. Just off the record, I bet you don't have a problem with the Haka chant and dance berformed by New Zealand rugby team, interestingly it is of (Moari) tribal origin.

  • nofikathiniskeyi.eunice - 2012-06-28 20:14

    owww God help what another krack for ANC demet zuma uwenzile umanakolo kuqala usafuna ukwenza omnye but only kzn that you have sappotars you will not going to make it that its my promis for your own good just back of you make me sick

  • nofikathiniskeyi.eunice - 2012-06-28 20:14

    owww God help what another krack for ANC demet zuma uwenzile umanakolo kuqala usafuna ukwenza omnye but only kzn that you have sappotars you will not going to make it that its my promis for your own good just back of you make me sick

      Muffin_man_can - 2012-06-28 20:41

      Yes God please redeem us from this parasite called zuma that has got his filthy grip on this land. Send us a leader that will bring unity and not hatred.

  • sean.noble1 - 2012-06-28 20:57

    @bulls balls, how about you stop fn singing and stealing and start governing? People are still stupid enough to vote for your devided corrupt ANC the end result will only be poverty for all. The sooner you realize this the better for the country.

      Alice - 2012-07-02 10:11

      There's a difference between Stupidity and FEAR, that's what you ppl fail to understand. There are quite a lot of well educated blacks out there who vote for ANC, they fear that once the power is given back to whites , oppression will come back. I onced convinced my mom who is 69yrs to vote for DA and told her everything about ANC( she was quite keen with my advice) She has no acess to Internet, I still have to print out all the racist remarks that majority of ppl make in this forum and show her. She will be very shocked and I'm sure it will make her loyal to ANC. My mom is one of those ppl that had to carry DOM PASs and was jailed for being in town after 6, forced removed from District Six with her family to Gugs, she lost some of her family members during apartheid and were never found up till this day.

  • buhlenkosinathi.dube - 2012-06-28 21:10

    Kushubile! Sesilinde uDecember.

  • joseph.tettey.9 - 2012-06-28 21:47

    The people must decide better the next time around.Look who is alone now!

  • Chris - 2012-06-28 22:50

    I am sure the DA is sitting back and smiling!!

  • Itse - 2012-06-29 07:20

    I'm so sick of this puppetry and childish behaviours of this so-called politicians.When will they grow up and start tackling the NB issues of the country,instead they are singing and dancing like cartoons.Lets get serious people.You probably spending government funds for transport,meals and accommodation.The so needed funds.I believe we can do better.We are not at kindergarten we need grown ups to tackle grown up matters.

  • Itse - 2012-06-29 07:22

    Lets get creative about matters of the country.ANC are just drama queens. COPE if it wasn't for your internal struggles we'd be begging you to save us.

  • ThaboShakuNews24 - 2012-06-29 07:56

    "Conference going very well. Dignified. Wonderful" Really!!!

  • Zeezoh - 2012-06-29 09:09

    ANC WILL STILL LEAD, NOT BECOS THEY HAVE THE BEST POLICIES, BUT BECAUSE WE AS BLACKS FEAR YOU WHITES,LOOKIN AT THE WAY AT THIS VERY MOMENT U GUYS ARE TREATING US, THERE IS NO WAY, WE CAN ALLOW U, TO GET CONTROL.u PPL TREAT US AS DIRTY(BUT DNT GIVE MONEY),STUPID(BT DNT EDUCATE), ALL THE TIME.I READ THROUGH COMMENTS HERE @NEWS24, ALL THE TIME ITS ABOUT HOW U SEE BLACKS USELESS. YOU GUYS WIL NEVER CHANGE(APARTHIED). PROMISE U THIS COS JUST MAYBE,BECOS OF SELL OUT, U GUYZ WIN(JUST MAYBE) WE WILL MAKE SURE YOU GUYZ NEVER REST.

      fanie.smit.5 - 2012-06-29 09:39

      And I thought I had problems!

      Alice - 2012-07-02 09:56

      True, but even if they win the elections oneday, racism will never be end and good thing we South Africans have become immune to it. Anyway I'm sure the wise know should they fail to give us what we want, or treat us unfairly, they won't rest because they know that black South Africans are aggressive and can be violent in nature. We can fight( even other Africans say the same) I still say Zille must be given a chance, we can always take the power back because we are the majority.

  • avanwyk2 - 2012-06-29 10:39

    If ANC supporters cannot get along with each other how will they be able to get along with non-ANC supporters. Comon majority you nust learn to respect other people and look at the bigger picture, not just at what you want. I blame the majority for the situation SA is in and I will keep on blaming them even when the ANC loses power. It is your fault we are where we are. Stop complaining and do something to make this country better....it is your turn now.

  • Tawizee - 2012-06-29 11:31

    Is COPE 2 in the making?

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-06-29 14:40

    Clearly dis ppl are senseless tribalists. Tokyo was right when he wanted dis singing 2 b scrapped. JZ has bcome de paragon of devision

  • brytzishiri - 2012-07-19 15:15

    Hapana nyaya apa