Zuma: Nobody dictates SA foreign policy

2011-10-13 12:05

Pretoria - No country, lobbying group or individual dictated South Africa's foreign policy, President Jacob Zuma said in Pretoria on Thursday.

Zuma, who was speaking at a public lecture at the University of Pretoria, said: "Our foreign policy is independent and decisions are formed by national interest. We are not dictated to."

Zuma made the comment after highlighting that South Africa's recognition of a one-China policy abided by international norms.

Zuma's government has come under criticism over the manner in which it handled the planned visit of Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama for Archbishop Emeritus Desmond Tutu's 80th birthday celebrations.

He said that Africa and the Southern African Development Community were the cornerstones of South Africa's foreign policy.

UN Security Council

Zuma said the "partnership" between the world and Africa, especially the African Union, was "under strain" during the crisis in Libya.

"The AU and sub-regional bodies [in Africa] need the support of the UN and international bodies as a whole."

Referring to the United Nations, he said it was unacceptable that the UN Security Council did not have permanent members from Africa and South America.

"Africa and Latin America are not represented as permanent members on the Security Council. This is a negative anomaly."

A reform of the UN and its structures was needed, Zuma said.

  • Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-10-13 12:09

    Just like the and you governmental cabres will not dictated to yet you are in the EMPLY of the PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA.

      letsee - 2011-10-13 12:32

      Maybe a little exception for those that fund the ANC in the national interest. Maybe a little exception for those that fund the ANC in the national interest. Maybe a little exception for those that fund the ANC in the national interest.

      Pigscanfly - 2011-10-13 12:36

      It's not what a China-man just whispered in my ear

      JoeBoer! - 2011-10-13 12:36

      Via Beijing of course

      nasheenar - 2011-10-13 12:37

      Really we could have swore it was the chinese. Maybe we all got that one wrong.

      GypseyAnn - 2011-10-13 12:44

      Ya, ya, ya, ya - and so say all of us. Pull the other one, it has bells on it!

      saabnut - 2011-10-13 12:47

      and decisions are formed by national interest... Yeah right. You mean gravy train passengers' interest. National interest, may I remind you, includes the poor masses. What is showerhead doing for them whilst featheiring his and his countless squaws', and fat family pigs' nests?

      Civil_Rights - 2011-10-13 12:47

      If nobody dictates our foreign policy then why was the Daila Lama visa application such a complicated and arduous issue? Perhaps the answers are in China wrapped inside a fortune cookie.

      Makgowaaraci - 2011-10-13 12:52

      I can't wait for Mangaung i'm tired of JZ, who is he fooling? and if he is not careful he might be recalled before he also finish his term.

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 12:59

      Repetition doesn't make things make sense, letsee.

      Alan - 2011-10-13 13:05

      WHAAHAAA - THERE IS AN ERROR IN THE TITLE. It says "... national interest..." instead of '...self interest...." But seriously - don't be hard on the ANC for trading with China. They have just signed a new export deal with China, and our first batch of SHOWERHEADS has already been shipped over there.

      Vlooi - 2011-10-13 13:14

      And from now onwards our president will be know as National Interest Zuma.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-13 13:14

      Funny how he says that but can STILL not yet provid a direct answer for WHY the Dalai Lama was not allowed access... Maybe that is EXACTLY the kind of attitude why there is no representative from Africa on the UN Security Council... It takes a Leader to lead Mister Zuma. Stop excusing, start leading.

      Met - 2011-10-13 13:15

      National interest =ANC= Zuma family

      ratex - 2011-10-13 13:16

      Lies, Lies, Lies, yeagha, they gonna get ya. For once in your life, grow a pair and stop talking k8k. You sold your soul to China, cuba and a couple of other communist countries A LONG TIME AGO

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-10-13 13:17

      @ Makgo - I really don't understand why that hasn't happened. I am not an ANC member so i have no say in the matter but seriously... He seems incapable of making any decision except an excuse or side-stepping blame.

      Alan - 2011-10-13 13:19

      @PigsCanFly not only pigs can fly - so can Dilly Lama's

      Spyker May - 2011-10-13 13:23

      “...Nobody dictates SA foreign policy...” – because SA (viz the ANC) does NOT have a foreign policy..! The only ‘policy’ here is the funding of the largest CRIME SYNDICATE in SA – the ANC, specifically the ANC elite (ie the ‘mafia/crime bosses’). The ANC does not want to ‘deal’ with the West, because the West will not stand crime/corruption and the oppression of minorities – China on the other hand, is the beacon of ‘corruption and the oppression of minorities’. China will protect SA’s largest crime syndicate (also known as the ANC) and that is ALL that matters. The ‘Libyan Crisis’ had NOTHING to do with a "partnership" with the African Union – is simply served to protect one of the biggest terrorist, corrupt warlords on the planet Gaddafi (and his family), specifically the fact that he was bankrolling oppressive regimes like that of Mugabe/Zanu and the ANC. The West (France and the UK in particular) knows this and therefore simply (and rightfully) ignored criminal thugs like the ANC. The (frank) reason Africa is not a ‘permanent’ member, is because it is indolent, obtuse and corrupt. Africa contribute NOTHING to the planet – note: the minerals were already there long before African (were). Latin America is just corrupt. cont. below..,

      My Father - 2011-10-13 14:27

      Typical Zuma. "Zuma: Nobody dictates SA foreign policy", then who runs foreign affairs? You? Zuma?

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 15:04


      WCD - 2011-10-13 15:21

      @spyker may - I agree 100% with you and for those who still fail to see where this circus is heading, I feel sorry for, because South Africa is at its end if there is not a dramatic turn around of policy and thought.

      Met - 2011-10-13 16:11

      Frans- a strong emphasis on pseudo

      leijn.tissink - 2011-10-14 13:51

      @ Vlooi - Self Interest Zuma (SIZ)

      gauchet1 - 2012-02-08 18:15

      I like the Zulus!

  • MojoBa - 2011-10-13 12:10

    Yada, yada, yada.

      Vlooi - 2011-10-13 13:28

      Same reason as BLACK MEN do it. Since you have a bigger sample to work from you stand a better change to get the answer if looking at it from that angle.

      JoeBoer! - 2011-10-13 13:33

      @GetitRight: are you looking to upgrade from babies and asking for advice??

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 13:43

      But...I am still at a lost. Most of the Blacks that are criminals are poor uneducated individuals that are often shack dwellers. With white men these criminals come from good homes...are well educated....are often well off....have good upbringings. Is it because they lack empathy for their fellow human beings.....are sadists? Or is it because they are brought up to hate other race groups and what inevitably happens the perpertrators end up losing any vestige of moral fibre. Most rape and molestation of children the World over is committed by White men...thats a fact. Another thing I have noticed is that white own media is complicit....they like to hide this fact. Take for example NEWS24 has now removed comments. But had it been a rape and murder committed by a Black man they would have allowed all and sundry to post comments. Yet when white men are the perpetrators of these horrendous crimes the Media tries to ensure a blanket of silence.....and alot of commentators like to make like its Black people that are inhuman criminals but the fact of the matter these are horrendous crimes often committed by the white community. Why is there this attempt to sweep these crimes under the carpet as if they don't happen?

      BUGATTI - 2011-10-13 13:45

      GetitRight, you are either very daft and just looking for attention. Go play with yourself. :(

      oistar - 2011-10-13 13:46

      @Getitright: please show us these 'facts' before calling them facts. Not one thing in your post above rings true. I suspect that you are a black man with a chip on your shoulder making you a racist. You are a fool if anyone will believe what you have just said.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 13:52

      For the record. I have been a CEO of four large companies. I have four grown children....all over 20 years old and all have attended top schools and universities in foreign countries. Children for me are precious and wonderful to have around. Somehow there seems to be a lack of humanity and a appreciation of what is precious. I ask these questions because I am really trying to understand but all I see is this "laager mentality" of protecting "die volk".

      My Comment - 2011-10-13 13:52

      Getitright is commenting tounge-in-cheek.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 14:01

      Is there EVER any introspection and soul searching that attempts to look at and discover WHERE HAVE WE GONE WRONG? Or is it always just going to be pointing FINGERS AT OTHERS. It needs to be understood that many of these DEVIANT ANIMALS are reared within your own homes.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 14:29

      See what I mean about the white own media been comments and questions just disappear...for asking a perfectly valid question. Yet the comments of others are left because they espouse a specific point of view that suits the Editors of NEWS24.

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 14:35

      OK to repeat. @Editor... please leave this on as it is a perfectly valid question. I know you like to protect "die Volk" but I ask that you move away from your "laager mentality". QUESTION : Can anyone explain why WHITE MEN often rape, molest and murder children? I am trying to understand.

      Lovenergy - 2011-10-13 14:40

      @getitright, violent crimes are commited by sick and twisted individuals, colour plays NO part in this. Every person on this site that believes that you have to be a certain way because you are a certain colour are fools and these people are part of the problem. Humans are like children that never grow up. Your colour is not the problem, HUMANITY is the problem. Humans without compassion for each other are parasites no matter what your colour

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 14:47 last someone that is able to reply intelligently. Do you not think that the way children are raised in some homes plays a large part in the behaviour of these DEVIANT ANIMALS. For example in SA there is very little tolerance between race groups and this tends to be inculcated into children at a very young age that ultimately succeeds in warping their moral outlook.

      Buzzbar - 2011-10-13 14:48

      @getitright - CEO of four large companies - What happened? Did the first three see through you and ask you to move on? A CEO of a large company ususally has tenor for 5 to 8 years (If they are successful of course...)

      GetitRight - 2011-10-13 14:56

      @Buzzbar...or is it Brainbar. Anyway...seen that you ask I am now the major shareholder of a successful Group of Companies. Any other questions?

      Vlooi - 2011-10-13 15:05

      @GetitRight - BEE?

      letsdance - 2011-10-13 15:40

      Yes the shares were given to him BEE at it's best

      Charles Kane - 2011-10-13 17:29

      @GetitRight Yes rape and other crimes are awful but I see no evidence of you allegations that the media tries to cover for white criminals. This is an absurd statement.

      Getit - 2011-10-14 19:29

      @Charles Kane....There are none so blind as those who don't want to see.

  • Percy Higgins - 2011-10-13 12:11

    Confidential posting: except the Chinese.

      Felix - 2011-10-13 12:29

      He didn't lie, it's just that we don't see the interests of this country as 'fat backhands to me an my buddies'.

      JoeBoer! - 2011-10-13 12:42

      Howzit My Tjina

      Blougroen - 2011-10-13 13:03

      Let it out then Mr Zuma - who was the real gatekeeper in the Dalai Lama's Visa application process - are you going to fire this shining light of government incompetence ?

  • solethu matrose - 2011-10-13 12:11

    why did he recognise NTC yet there is still infighting in libya someone dictated his come on mr president?

  • tripwire - 2011-10-13 12:14

    THis Government is greedy , corrupt , lairs & thieves. They don`t care about what they are doing to the public , they all just want to set new High scores with their theft every 24 Hours

      Holmanator - 2011-10-13 12:39

      Pretty much how the UK government works too!

      allie - 2011-10-13 12:48

      A reform of the UN and its structures was needed, Zuma said He has corrupted everything ,now he wants to change the UN.There is no limit to this fatboy`s thoughts.

      Anton - 2011-10-13 13:01

      When there is a civil war between a dictator and the people of a country, this government will take the side of the dictator. Now, THAT'S being INDEPENDENT !!!!

      Libertador - 2011-10-13 14:58

      You mean like Bahrain.

  • BlackPoison - 2011-10-13 12:14

    Yeah right......

  • Van-Der-Moodley - 2011-10-13 12:14

    'Nobody dictates SA foreign policy'...SA has no foreign policy sir.

      Bright - 2011-10-13 12:19

      ooh is this suppose to be a joke, hahahahaha kikikikiki very funny !

      RACINGCAT - 2011-10-13 12:22

      Zuma now upgraded to VDM

      Van-Der-Moodley - 2011-10-13 12:31

      @Racingcat What's in a name anywhere. He is an idiot without clue as to what is happening in reality.

      Old-Jim - 2011-10-13 12:31

      "NO BODY DICTATES SOUTH AFRICA'S FOREIGN POLICY" (sorry about that, how much did you say you deposited into my account?)

      Shadowfax - 2011-10-13 12:49

      Well the government should be dictating foreign policy. Instead nobody's doing it.

  • BoerinBeton - 2011-10-13 12:16

    This Zuma dude is clever!!!Maybe we must vote for him in the next elections, then all our troubles will dissapear and stuff will fall out of the sky. Bloody Idiot always blaming someone else, take responsibilty for your lack of leadership and go jump of a bridge, please take all your comrades with!!!

  • Kevin - 2011-10-13 12:16

    Hey China ,forgive me - You still call the shots.ask julius if you dont believe me

  • Tokkel Loshi - 2011-10-13 12:18

    The cinese dictates you now skaap kop

  • ColinJo - 2011-10-13 12:18

    Nice try!

  • Ridah Booley - 2011-10-13 12:18

    he can comment about this but not the pressing issues of the audit of CELE and other REALLY important things that needs answers

  • Atholl - 2011-10-13 12:19

    ... When it's election time .. ... in-between elections - there are carefully positioned puppets who pull puppet strings.

      X-Factor - 2011-10-13 12:26

      maybe it's time for the 'snip' in all aspects of the word!

  • Paul - 2011-10-13 12:19

    The chinese seem to have a big say and you zoommer are the laughing stock of world politics.

  • Sisie - 2011-10-13 12:21

    Yes yes and we must believe you because.....! What you say and what you do are opposites. How much did the Chinese have to throw around to you and your buddies to delay..delay...delay. And then have the check to say of course we would have given the Dalai Lama a visa. You talk with forked tongue. Shame on you!

  • Darwinian - 2011-10-13 12:21

    just like spilled whiskey 'ol showerhead?

  • Alan - 2011-10-13 12:22

    Yeah right --- and oh - pigs fly! There is a new supermarket group moving in to SA - Chinese Checkers.

  • aryantoo - 2011-10-13 12:23

    What ever he says,its never the truth

  • popaye - 2011-10-13 12:23

    Yeah, right.

  • mac-sdi - 2011-10-13 12:24

    Why would they include Africa as permanent members when we cant even force a frail old Mugabe to step down or hault Gaddafi infront of Hauge for war crimes? You need countries that can take a stand in the UN unluke RSA who vite with the Chinese or stay on the fence on pressing issues. Learn to take a stand in Africa first before trying to play in the big league ZUMA..! i wont even go to the Dalai Lama issue, you International Relations minister has no clue on your foreign policies. Perhaps you should share them with her (if you even know what they are)

      mac-sdi - 2011-10-13 15:44

      No Lacoste. Voting for whats right, fair, just. Voting for policies that we're agree with as a nation. Thats what a sovereign state does. We cant always worry about what China or the West deem as right.

  • TotalSceptic - 2011-10-13 12:26

    Says the puppet!!

  • daaivark - 2011-10-13 12:26

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HAHA HA. Ja right. Pull the other one. Greedy sellout.

  • fireman - 2011-10-13 12:30

    Well Mr Zuma maybe you should be dictated to because on numerous occasions now your government has caused severe embarressment, displayed incompetence. It becomes perfectly clear that the goverment cannot determine what is in the best interest of South Africa. The best interest is that purely of your own.

  • Grb - 2011-10-13 12:31

    What drivel. its the ANC's national policy which is very Pro Chinese as the Chinese fund ANC's election, end of story. Zuma is the most corrupt president this country has ever had and that says a lot when you compare him to PW and co. I, for one, don't believe a word he says.

      Grb - 2011-10-13 13:30

  • TheWasp - 2011-10-13 12:32

    New name for Tshwane in 2015 - Shanghai You represent the uneducated masses Mr Zuma, the one's you screw over everyday with your mass corruption and empty promises Your ANC is probably the most corrupt party in Africa right now and getting worse by the day....

  • Davearch - 2011-10-13 12:32

    Is this 'O' for real ???

  • unrealchris - 2011-10-13 12:33

    Oh come on, pull the other one!

  • Boxxer - 2011-10-13 12:33

    The (-_-) (-_-) (-_-) are gonna run the show.

  • X-Factor - 2011-10-13 12:34

    Zooom ZOoooom Zuma - tada, time for a new leader. I'm sorry to say but we havent achieved much under your leadership. I thought i'd give you a chance and hoped that you'd be better than Mbeki, but atleast Mbeki kept our name high in the Business Economics of things. We need a strong leader, that can make spot decisions when urgently called for, whether they be good or bad. This indecisiveness is killing our country. We need DIRECTION!!!!

  • Bart Zimzon - 2011-10-13 12:34

    Yu Stin Ki Pu

      Alan - 2011-10-13 12:39

      hahaaaa couldnt have expressed it better! LOL LOL

      Gogo - 2011-10-13 12:48

      Whahahaha!!!! You've nail it on the head!!!!!

  • Globe - 2011-10-13 12:35

    No intelligent person would believe anything this fool Zuma says.

  • Big mack - 2011-10-13 12:35

    Jaaa boet.... pull the other leg..!!!

  • WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 12:35

    Would appear that the anti-chinese lobby is either in the employ of the United States or scared that Obama will pre-emptively send a drone to 'take care of them' It's much safer to criticise a president that cannot secretly designate you a 'terrorist'?

      gizzy - 2011-10-13 12:52


      daaivark - 2011-10-13 13:02

      Double HUH? Are you well, WeCanAfriCan?

      Tolerant - 2011-10-13 14:02

      Sganja or Polyd? China is a bit big for 1 drone.

  • lenebelle - 2011-10-13 12:36

    yeah right. i do believe you

  • Voyager - 2011-10-13 12:37

    The AU has proven over and over again what a useless talk-shop they are - why would anyone take them seriously. They cannot deal effectively with brutal dictators and instead pander to them. They do not deserve to be represented on the UN security council - their recent voting has shown how far we have slipped from being any sort of moral beacon. cANCer, you embarass us all. We are still waiting for an explanation of the Dalai Lama fiasco - but, of course, you don't feel you need to account to the people of SA or anyone else. Phansi cANCer, phansi!!!

  • sarecen - 2011-10-13 12:39

    Who does this clown think he is fooling? maby just himself

  • crythybelovedcountry - 2011-10-13 12:40

    Who believes a word he says. Nkandla is updated to the tune of 800 million rand. No influence?

  • WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 12:41

    The amount of hate is sickening! Hope you lot sleep well at night!

      FreedomFight - 2011-10-13 12:46

      I'll sleep even better if this idiot resigns from office.

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 13:04

      And suggesting that those who disagree with you are terrorists isn't hateful, WeCan?

      WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 13:11

      The Europeans and Americans can and have given you a direct answer already, Daaivark

      Jacobus van Tonder - 2011-10-13 13:21

      Yes, we do. what I got and do not share, cause neither you or Zuma can do me a thing...hahahha...YouCanNotAfrican!

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 13:29

      Try as I might, WeCan, I simply cannot make sense of that response. In what way am I therefore a terrorist? Please try to remain within the bounds of reason here, even though it may be very difficult.

      WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 13:52

      daaivark, I am simply saying that if you cannot see by what criteria you 'are a terrorist', neither can the rest of humanity because the rules of the White House and the EU operation Gladio operators whereby a 'terrorist' is defined, are secret. Yet people, innocent or otherwise are killed extra-judicially on a daily basis, multiple times without the 'terrorist' designation and here you thought Chinese human rights were really bad ...

      PussyGalore - 2011-10-13 14:05

      WeCan... Can I get some of that stuff you're smoking! Whew!!! What a load of smelly pooh coming from your pie hole! I don't think there are pills for your condition...eish

      WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 14:22

      To the last comment: Yes, the stuff I smoke is called facts. It actually helps to ingest them. Maybe then the requirement to smoke something or take medication will become redundant :-)

      daaivark - 2011-10-13 15:07

      Reason requires some basis for discussion. I fail to see how any of this provides a reflection on my nature.

      WeCanAfriCan - 2011-10-13 15:19

      daaivark, your nature as being capable of hateful comments or being called a terrorist on the basis of hateful comments? If the latter, you made the inference yourself. Now you seem to think that I painted you as a 'terrorist'. All I said is that evidence indicates that people who disagree with US positions worldwide sooner or later finds themselves designated as terrorists, so if you fit that bill, do not place the guilt trip on me. Please find other patsies for that score.

  • FreedomFight - 2011-10-13 12:41

    Question: How do we know that our president is talking cr@p again? Answer: He just opened his mouth to say something stupid. Again.

  • Spartan - 2011-10-13 12:47

    The best part of the "strain" of the "partnership" is that sound it makes when it snaps.

  • proudly - 2011-10-13 12:47

    The UN will not 'reform' to suit Africa. That would be going backwards!

  • FinCoach - 2011-10-13 12:48


  • Mike - 2011-10-13 12:49

    Apart from the Chinese puzzle, I just love the quip about Libya and the AU. If the Libyan crisis had been handed over to the AU to sort out, Gaddafi would still be the homicidal dictator he was and all the pro-Democracy forces would have been wiped out in a mass genocide. The AU is morally, financially and politically bankrupt. It couldn't organise its collective way out of a wet paper bag.

  • bill - 2011-10-13 12:49

    who believes you you lying cretin

  • Roger Rothner - 2011-10-13 12:50

    Ja Zuma. I'm sure not even your family will beleive you. Ha ha

      Alan - 2011-10-13 13:16

      Maid in China?

  • Lioness - 2011-10-13 12:51

    What an Effen joke! We all know that the ANC takes it up the bottom from anyone who is willing to give them money!

  • Fireandice - 2011-10-13 12:54

    I am full agreement with this. That is, that we should not be dictated to by the UN unless we as a country are properly represented at the UN permanently. As for the Dalai lama incident, I cannot agree with the way this was handled. Surely we can do better as a democracy..........

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-10-13 12:55

    Zuma. Whose decision was it not to allow the Dalai Lama in then and why? You can fool some of the people some of the time but not all the people all the time. We are not fooled and don't believe you, Zuma.

  • Dazbo - 2011-10-13 12:56

    Does Zuma not see what the Chinese are doing in Africa ? I have worked in many countries throught Africa and can state that the Chinese are slowly but surely taking over business interests in those countries. In Zambia, Botswana, DRC and Mozambique all major civil projects are given to Chinese contractors which is killing local business. It is also a well known fact that the labour which is imported to carry out these projects is made up of Chinese convicts. China is hugely over populated and Africa has given them an additional continent twhich they can use to rid themselves of their problems...

  • Liba - 2011-10-13 12:57

    The Lie Clock A man died and went to heaven. As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him. He asked:"What are all those clocks ?" St. Peter answered, "Those are Lie-Clocks. Everyone on Earth has a Lie-Clock. Every time you lie the hands on your clock will move." "Oh," said the man, "Whose clock is that?" "That's Mother Teresa's. The hands have never moved, indicating that she never told a lie." "Incredible," said the man. "And whose clock is that one? "St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock. The hands have moved twice telling us that Abe told only two lies in his entire life." "Where's Zuma's ?" asked the man. "Zuma's clock is in God's office. He's using it as a fan." --- i laughed it off coz it was a joke now im not sure anymore,it had too much resemblance to the truth as anyone can guess----