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Zuma criticises Gaddafi during call

2011-03-10 14:11

Pretoria - President Jacob Zuma took advantage of a phone call from Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi to tell him South Africa abhorred the "heinous violations of human rights against his own people", International Relations Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane said on Thursday.

Nkoana-Mashabane told a media briefing in Pretoria: "The president took advantage of that call to tell him that South Africa has led a campaign to suspend Libya from the human rights council in Geneva."

Zuma had also taken the opportunity to tell Gaddafi that South Africa "abhors the heinous human rights violations against his own people", she said.

"We took advantage through our president to tell him this has to stop with immediate effect," she said.

Zuma's office refused on Wednesday to confirm or deny reports about what he said to the embattled Libyan leader as reported by the BBC, crediting Libyan TV.

Libyan TV quoted Zuma as calling on the African Union to "take decisive action and uncover the conspiracy that Libyan (sic) is facing".

Zuma, who is out of the country attending the AU Security Council meeting in Ethiopia, was also quoted as "stressing the need not to depend on tendentious reports circulated by foreign media outlets and the need to listen to the Libyan media in this regard".

His office issued a statement late on Wednesday saying that it "would not be drawn into rumours and distortions of the conversation with Gaddafi, who had called to explain his side of the story".

The presidency also said that Zuma had spoken out "clearly" on the Libyan issue, openly condemning the loss of life, attacks on civilians and reported violations of human rights in Libya.

Nkoana-Mashabane on Thursday emphasised that South Africa not only supported but also co-sponsored all resolutions taken in the United Nations Security Council.

Nkoana-Mashabane said it was critical to also remember that it was only Zuma who followed up on any misadventure by Gaddafi, taking him to task on various occasions, as when he tried to perpetuate his idea for the passing of a resolution on a United States of Africa, and when he tried to remain a permanent president of the African Union.

Protests against the 68-year-old Gaddafi began on February 15 as anti-government demonstrators sought his ouster after nearly 42 years of rule.

Conflict in the North African country still raged on Thursday amid condemnation by world leaders.

Twenty-eight defence ministers met in Brussels on Thursday to discuss the international community's response to the situation.

Nkoana-Mashabane said the matter was also being discussed by the AU peace Security Council. Libya's fate as member of the AU was expected to feature.

The status of Libya's ambassador to South Africa Abdullah Alzubedi, who has refused to resign, would also be tabled.

Alzubedi, who has denounced Gaddafi's regime, said he wanted to resign, but would not because he wanted to help Libyans, mostly students, in South Africa.

Asked whether she thought Gaddafi respected the resolutions by the AU and UN, Nkoana-Mashabane replied: "If aerial bombardment of civilians would have stopped I would have said yes, he is beginning to show signs of wanting to respect UN Security Council and calls by the international community.

"I don't have evidence that he is beginning to take heed of these calls."

Comments
  • Ngomo - 2011-03-10 14:17

    Sure sure. How dumb does he think we are.

      Felix - 2011-03-10 14:24

      If he did do it though then well done, but who knows? Fool me once...

      Smaal - 2011-03-10 14:41

      Agreed, they were probably discussing what to braai on Saturday and where Gaddafi would stay in the Western Cape if he was actually “forced” out of power.

      DeeCS - 2011-03-10 14:43

      The right thing to do will be to release a recording of the conversation to show the world that SA is not siding with Gadaffi. But then this might show Zuma up for what he does so often before by telling untruths.

      Stephanus - 2011-03-10 14:48

      Why would they not confirm or deny it if Zuma made a it clear what his stance was? Have they changed their minds afterwards?

      matla - 2011-03-10 15:13

      Is it you again ngomo, the beneficiary of white generosity. They brought you up well - never trust ANC and vote DA.

      The Patriot - 2011-03-10 15:18

      After his condemnation, he then offers asylum in South Africa. That bit he forgot to mention.

      50something - 2011-03-10 16:26

      I agree - lets have a transcript of the conversation - sounds like something that was fabricated by his PR department

      willieman - 2011-03-10 16:51

      Do not bother yourself by responding to Matla

      Jayjay001 - 2011-03-10 19:15

      Gadaffi, the same man who tells Europe that as Libya is the last port of call before Black Africans cross to Europe in search of work, he wants money from Europe to hold them back. He then has the cheek to work in the African Union speaking of the good for Black Africans. This man has more flies on him than any of his thousands of high class camels he bought with the fat cat funds while his son parties in NYC with all the American celebs last year. If SA keep supporting this criminal being taken on by his own people then we know Zuma has as much dirt as this criminals. And Zaif, save it sister sledge, for his last port of call to be his capital Tripoli and the rest of the people wanting his fat cat self out shows exactly that it's a democratic majority who want him out. I guess Egypt's citizens asking for new governance is also a a west conspiracy, you guys are tripping. Blaming everyone else is an old party hat in this blame game culture we're acquired.

  • CheekySod - 2011-03-10 14:22

    Well done Zuma. Now you need to follow through. Look at home and the racism embedded in the ANC way. Get rid of it. Then you will prove to be a worthy leader. Ignore the problems at home and you are proving the dual standards the ANC is desperately denying.

  • jiamalunga - 2011-03-10 14:22

    First talk about what Jimmy is trying and then we might believe you!

  • ratex - 2011-03-10 14:25

    Duuhhhh, nope i don't think so. What, were we all born yesterday. This is nothing more than our ANC Pope trying to get sympathy votes for the upcoming elcetions. Dam man, the ANC's philosophy is communism, what exactly do you think will happen when people get tired of their gov't?

      rapatla - 2011-03-10 15:33

      @ratex..first get your spelling corect "elcetions" and thereafter open your mouth and start writing pipol.

  • Wayne LAndsberg - 2011-03-10 14:26

    So why was this such a big Secret that he could not share it with the public. Me thinks this is a lie again

  • G.du Plessis - 2011-03-10 14:28

    Well done Zuma

      gekko - 2011-03-10 15:33

      Ignorant fool!

  • Pokkels_LOL - 2011-03-10 14:30

    The only advantage he took was to ask Gaddafi if they can start a swingers club with all their wife’s!

      jiamalunga - 2011-03-10 14:54

      They will have to book out a couple of hotels for that!

      exocist - 2011-03-20 20:43

      thats right but does zummie go for camels ?

  • Madelane - 2011-03-10 14:37

    "stressing the need not to depend on tendentious reports circulated by foreign media outlets and the need to listen to the Libyan media in this regard". Um...correct me if I am wrong but the Libyan press which is state owned contend that no human rights violations have taken place. Once again it appears that the ANC have presented such a contradictory presentation that it can only support disbelief.

      Faiker - 2011-03-15 18:35

      That was the Libyan press that made the "stressing the need" statement.

  • SPHONZA - 2011-03-10 14:38

    Why was it a secret in the beginning? Methinks they are taking us for a ride.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-03-10 14:49

      You would be thinking correctly.

      POLLENYS - 2011-03-10 15:09

      Jip, sounds like another "damage controll" statement.

  • Melly30 - 2011-03-10 14:43

    Can we get a copy of this please... I dont think so some how... The ANC are the same...

  • kingkong - 2011-03-10 14:46

    What a pile of (malema) he is talking. he would condem libya but not his boyfriend mugabe

  • Gawie Lourens - 2011-03-10 14:48

    JZ, Your turn is next. Watch this space ...........

  • Grant - 2011-03-10 14:54

    Spin, Spin, SPIN - going to over-rev and explode soon!

      POLLENYS - 2011-03-10 15:15

      I'll believe this when he says it in an open forum. And I'll believe 783 when he adds Mugabe in his criticism. But that will just erode his support base in the ANC even more, as the majority agrees with what is happening in Zim and wants it to happen here - mines, farms, businesses.

  • AndrewM39@24.com - 2011-03-10 14:55

    A whole can of worms seems to be opening, did this conversation really take place and if it did why not tell the nation the truth when first questioned. No my friends I do not believe this now. So much for transparency as promised by Government. It has now also come to light a new guest house has been built in Pretoria for visiting dignatories and it seems the cost to have been in excess of R10m, now finalizing the decor with tenders being issued. A new hospital in this same estate is also on the cards. So much for transparecy by JZ, Mantashe et kie

  • VuyosWors - 2011-03-10 14:56

    How about the heinous violation of farmers rights here at home hey Showerhead?

      gekko - 2011-03-10 15:35

      Well said!!

  • Spade - 2011-03-10 14:56

    I imagine the conversation went something like: Zuma : "Stop bombing your own people - it makes us Africans look bad!" Gaddafi: "Look who's talking! Aren't you the one who thinks showering removes HIV? What about the crime and corruption in your country? You think that made Africa look any better?"

      Johnny - 2011-03-10 15:07

      ....brilliant...!! ....He he he he he he he ...!!!

      matla - 2011-03-10 15:15

      boring

      Other Justin - 2011-03-10 15:38

      LOL! Typical matla brain fart.

  • gizzy - 2011-03-10 14:59

    Is it April the 1st today?

  • bashphil - 2011-03-10 15:01

    How the conversation REALLY went; "...and as for the heinous human rights violations against your own people...good work comrade! When they finally kick you out and you get to SA, you can sleep on my couch. I'll even lend you one of my wives...or two. We'll just tell the international media they've taken it out of context. Journos here wont be a problem as the Information Secrecy bill will be passed by then. I can let you in on some of the action here too, you can start a new regime. You can call it Little Tripoli. My boy Julius can steal another mine to finance it with. Dont worry about the cops, they're too busy having punch-ups with the traffic department to cause any problem, besides, their boss is just as big a crook. Any politician who stirs up any trouble we'll just call a racist. Nice and easy eh?"

  • Chris - 2011-03-10 15:03

    So why the F()K can't Zuma not do the same thing with his own people living in SOUTH Africa!! Stop mass murdering and let the people understand (make it priority!) that the government will not stand for crime where people are being slaughtered and killed. But NO he will have a chitty chat with some idiot who orders his own countrymen to go out and kill their fellow men. This is one hellavu prioritized president this “man” called zuma…shame, the zulu’s must really feel ashamed that he’s of their kind. What a waste of life he is.

  • clifford.pike1 - 2011-03-10 15:10

    ... mind you don't step in the bullsh*t. Nice try, though.

  • Peter - 2011-03-10 15:13

    Somebody please tell Zuma the NIA got the wrong guy on the phone and it was some Libyan trying to sell him a second-hand camel.Which he has since bought for 2 billion.

      gekko - 2011-03-10 15:37

      Tenders for the 2nd camel is now welcome.

  • Paul - 2011-03-10 15:14

    Whatever he probably offered him accomodation in SA

      AndrewM39@24.com - 2011-03-10 15:25

      Yes they want him to try out the new guest house with all the new persian rugs, gold cutelry and 300 sets of glasses.

  • Gawie Lourens - 2011-03-10 15:16

    Let Gadaffi come to SA. Then we will see how powerful the Muslim community in SA are. He will need to be protected 24/7, but, I don't think that will work. ???? ????

  • paulf - 2011-03-10 15:16

    Liar, Liar, Your Pants are on Fire!!! Or How the hell can we believe you!!! Let us hear the tape recording then we Might believe you. I don't beleive a word that comes out of your mouth.

      Other Justin - 2011-03-10 15:40

      Haha, snap, you owe me a Coke....

  • ErG - 2011-03-10 15:20

    Now we can't even respect the International Relations Minister - she lies just like the rest/best of the ANC gangsters!

  • wattalotokak - 2011-03-10 15:20

    I don't believe one single word! First and utmost - how many times have we seen zuma talk without papers in front of him! I am talking about BIG words like "abhors the heinous human rights violations"...! BWAHAHAHAHA! I think I have never heard a word like "abhors" in my life and I am English speaking since I was born...! I found it on Google and it is rather high english mind you..! What did he do to "take advantage of the phone call"??? He got a phone call, and then he put Gadaffi on hold while he was google-ing big words? THAT would be faster than actually picking up a dictionary in his hand by the way!!! Please man - that guy could not say anything past his glasses as he adjust them to read off a paper, never mind talk high english...! Loads of rubbish before the election..! And I agree: WHAT was the big secret? I think I will stick with the rumors hahahaha

      paulf - 2011-03-10 15:23

      Hey bud, you put it very well there. I am in Total Agreement with you.

  • Straight Forward - 2011-03-10 15:23

    They have a private hotline? Does Zuma think we are idiots? He can maybe bullsh@t his dumb ANC supporters. Gaddafi, was probably asking for accommodation, and a loan of one of Zuma's wives

      yiannies - 2011-03-10 15:54

      And when the next shipment of "umshini wami" is scheduled to arrive

  • wheresmymojo - 2011-03-10 15:28

    Come on Wiki, tell us what was REALLY said !

  • Claudia Dos Santos - 2011-03-10 15:32

    That's rich coming from the 'leader' of a nation that records numerous senseless deaths due to violence and an out-of-hand crime rate each day!

  • Other Justin - 2011-03-10 15:35

    Liar, liar, you pants is on fire.......You claim to condemn the Libyan dictator, but your own Jimmy, you can't fault. Booo!

  • CDos - 2011-03-10 15:36

    errre

  • Sarcastic - 2011-03-10 15:36

    This is being taken out of context. LMAO

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-03-10 15:37

    I'll believe it when I see (or hear) it...if that's OK with you...it's not that I don't trust you, but..er..well actually I don't.

  • gekko - 2011-03-10 15:39

    Go and tell this BULL to your under edjuakated comrades!

  • corrupt rats - 2011-03-10 15:42

    Would president Zuma possibly consider calling Robert Gabriel Mugabe across the border and telling him the same thing?

  • OuWitBooi - 2011-03-10 15:43

    Its strange that our report of what was said is so different from what was reported by the Libyans. Someone is talking with a forked tongue. Lets see Zuma stand up at the AU Security Meeting in Ethiopia and say this loudly for everyone to hear, and not just whisper it into a phone. Come on JZ, make us proud of you for once.

  • unblind - 2011-03-10 15:54

    Well done my president

      gizzy - 2011-03-10 17:14

      Where did the "un" come from? bwaaaah!!!

      exocist - 2011-03-20 20:56

      baaaa

  • maseratifitt - 2011-03-10 15:57

    Sorry, Muammar, but we have an election coming up. You know you can count on me, but please just let me do my thing for now. The Party is struggling. When it is all over, we can have a nice chat at my new guest house. I think you would like it.

  • Santapola - 2011-03-10 16:02

    Ngomo wee u are just twart my friend...anyway u are just been wiped by a white thing and u think u clever than all the blacks..anyway good shot for our President for not taking side..even if he does that is none of ur proplem ryt..

      Jan - 2011-03-10 16:10

      Here... have some toilet paper to wipe your mouth with!

      Ngomo - 2011-03-10 16:13

      Santapola, Im not going to justify myself to the likes of you. Grow up. and realize that we are all African in the end. Why hate? Didnt we get over that? Move on and do whats best for the country. Maybe one day you will be old enough to see this.

      Melly30 - 2011-03-10 16:25

      Na aid will take him and his whole family out... UNEDUCATED!!! Ngomo, Ngomo - Thank you for moving forward, not like him and his comrades... You have been in power for how long and yet you cant get over the past!! Your past will be coming soon SANTAPOLA... AND NGOMO and ALL US WHITES WILL BE LAUGHING AT YOU!!!

      gizzy - 2011-03-10 17:18

      Molly, when you are referring to whites I hope you aren't including me. I don't want or need anybody to speak on my behalf. I don't equate or associate with anybody on a colour basis! I associate with people of the same values and morals which are of every race group. So don't include me in your racist comments. I hate Zuma and his cadres for what they are and not for the colour of their skin. Get it?

      exocist - 2011-03-20 21:01

      are you sureyour names not santa's poepol? you're right your president is not taking sides he's taking anti retrovirals

  • Ivym - 2011-03-10 17:26

    Ja right he did, and pigs do fly

  • buka001 - 2011-03-10 17:27

    I love this! One moment you have the foreign affairs office saying they won't be meddling in the affairs of foreign countries and therefore won't be suggesting that Gaddafi step down. This is after the president apparently told the guy to have some restraint and that South Africa would be asking the human rights council to suspend Libya. Mmmm very strange stories!

  • Carlatones - 2011-03-11 12:26

    He cannot even get tough on his corrupt MP's, how will get tough on Gaddafi?

  • Fair Deal - 2011-03-11 15:51

    I think the conversation whent something like this: Hello Jacob its Momar here, how are you. Momar I am so happy to hear from you ,rumour has it that you are dead. No my good friend I am very mutch alive and kicking ass over here. Can you please do me a favour, I would like you to freez my assets before the dogone Yanks try and get hold of them ,as it is I have a tough time keeping them away from my oil. Muffeled sound##### sory my good friend I have to go now and organise some civillian air strikes, I will speak to you soon, will you ask Roux if he can rent the hotel in the intrim. Speak to you soon by by.

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