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Zuma is disconnected from reality, says DA

2012-02-17 18:00

Cape Town - President Jacob Zuma's remarks about corruption show he is "completely disconnected from reality", the Democratic Alliance said on Friday.

In his reply on Thursday to debate on his State of the Nation address, Zuma said "most of the corruption you read about in the media is exposed as a result of the work of government and its agencies", DA spokesperson Dion George said.

"These are the words of a president who is completely disconnected from reality."

South Africa's major corruption scandals had not been broken by government, but by the media, and the opposition.

Scandals

These included the arms deal, to which former president Thabo Mbeki, Zuma, and then defence minister Joe Modise were all linked, he said.

Another was the so-called Travelgate scandal, involving a number of high-ranking ANC MPs misusing parliamentary travel vouchers.

George said others included the so-called Oilgate scandal, which traced the involvement of an ANC-linked company in diverting money from a state contract to the coffers of the ANC.

There was also the SA Police Service lease scandal, in which former public works minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde and suspended national police commissioner Bheki Cele were involved.

Another was the Chancellor House/Hitachi controversy, which saw the ANC's front company landing lucrative contracts with the state.

"Nowhere is the government's attitude towards exposing corruption more clear than in its determination to see the protection of state information bill pushed through Parliament in its current form," George said.

Should this law be passed, journalists and whistleblowers who reported on what government deemed secret would face up to 25 years in prison.

Last line of defence

It would be illegal to expose corruption and serious crime and the poorest of the poor would continue to lose out as government resources were redirected away from service delivery.

"Government is not the last line of defence against corruption. The media and the opposition are."

This was why the DA continued to fight against the bill as it currently stood, and would fight for a strengthened public interest override to ensure that ordinary citizens and the media retained the right to know, George said.

On Thursday, Zuma told the National Assembly South Africa was the only country with a "programme" to fight corruption.

Zuma said it was "important to emphasise that most of the corruption you read about in the media is exposed as a result of the work of government and its agencies".

Amid laughter from opposition benches, he continued: "What we should remember is that South Africa is the only country that has a programme to fight corruption. It's not being fought anywhere else."

Comments
  • Shirley - 2012-02-17 18:09

    Well Mr President I hate to pop your bubble but your programme is NOT WORKING!!!! Just like all other "crime fighting" measures which supposedly are in place!!!!! You continue to allow theft from the poor whilst cadres fill their pockets and tenders are given under the guise of "BEE". If it wasnt so sad those words would be funny!

      Francois - 2012-02-17 18:24

      The disconnection between Zuma from reality is but one of a lot of disconnections he faces. He is disconnected from human rights and the plight of Zimbabweans, he is disconnected from a promiscuous behavior and the impact thereof on Aids, he is disconnected from the fact that he is president for the WHOLE SOuth Africa, he is disconnected from the fact the a president must lead, he is disconnected from the reality that when you have two people, even of they are judges, you may get two opinions, he is disconnected from the constitution, his left brain is disconnected from his right, he is disconnected from the history of South Africa, he is disconnencted from the fact that if you want to have your day in court, you need to go there...

      Sean - 2012-02-17 18:43

      That is what happens when incompetent people run a country !! When it comes to fraud and stealing , the brain works overtime ! What AFRICAN COUNTRY made it after ``independence`` ??? History does not lie and you cannot change history ! There was hope for S.A with Madiba in charge , even Mbeki wasn`t too bad , but these clowns now ! THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL IN BIG FAT CAPITAL LETTERS !! If you want to see the future , just look at the mentality of the ANCYL , those useless imbeciles , they suppose to be the future ! I`m not being negative , I lived my whole life in Africa ( Kenya , Zambia , Namibia and South Africa) , I`m just being realistic !!

      Francois - 2012-02-17 18:56

      Leonard, the paper will come out blank if you don't tell him which side of the pen is the right one to write with and if you don't tell him that he must write on the paper, he will write joumaseepos against the wall. At least PW Botha made it to university, he did not pass. The university of Stellenbosch has its pride, but Botha know which side was the right side of the pen and the R4 and the G5 and the Angolan border, but that is another topic for another day....

  • Jason - 2012-02-17 18:11

    I can see why the opposition was laughing! Fantastic joke about SA being the only country trying to fight corruption. Very positive to see that we are fostering a healthy sense of humour in parliament!

      AyGeewils - 2012-02-17 18:34

      ironically there has been a big anti corruption drive in the UK all last year - It started with the unauthorised purchase of a bath plug - as I recall ... :))

      Adam - 2012-02-17 19:12

      Agreed Jason, one in the headlines for the moment, Russia and corruption that the masses are marching against. You want a list......plenty

      Arthur - 2012-02-17 22:10

      Our govt is not fighting corruption. They aer fighting the Exposure of corruption.

  • Vusi - 2012-02-17 18:15

    There are rare moments I agree with Malema.....and getting rid of this primate is one of them!

      Francois - 2012-02-17 18:25

      You are oabusing the good names of primates!

      Vegi - 2012-02-17 18:38

      Zuma needs to be removed but he is not primate.

      Lara - 2012-02-17 18:43

      No, he's a salamander.

      Irene - 2012-02-17 19:03

      Vegi ~ The entire ANC needs to be removed, not just Zoooomer

      Swapie - 2012-02-17 19:07

      Zuma should take his head out of his own AH and smell the corruption.

      Mikkel - 2012-02-21 23:20

      #vegi .. Zuma may not be a primate but he is certainly a "vegetable"..

  • erneyb - 2012-02-17 18:16

    Ever wonder why S.A. is the only country with a "programme" to fight corruption, Mr President ?

  • Sean - 2012-02-17 18:18

    Juju and Zuma - Performing daily for our pleasure

  • Tanie - 2012-02-17 18:22

    Everybody plays a fool, you might think he is disconnected from reality when he is disconnecting you from his reality.

  • Vegi - 2012-02-17 18:23

    South Africa does not even make the top 20 in the world corruption index. The DA is trying to create a mountain out of a mole hill. Corruption is rampat in South Africa but not to the extent that the DA makes it out to be. In fact the DA is not even qualified to talk about corruption in the light of the activities of its leadership. Recently there were rumours that Helen Zille was seen prancing about in the Gupta compound and she failed to dispel those rumours in any meaningful way. Two weeks ago she tried to play President of the country in a business briefing hosted by the Guptas media outfit, the New Age. Her connection with the Guptas was thus sealed. Her attack on Zuma must be seen in the light of the above. She is fighting with Zuma for the lucrative Gupta cake. She does not want to share the cake with anyone else and she wants the undivided attention of the Guptas. And make not mistake, Zuma will not allow Helen Zille to take the Gupta cake without a fight.

      Burtfred - 2012-02-17 18:29

      Vegi, what a load of unmitigated hogwash. To suggest that Zille is in bed with the Guptas is like saying that Jews colluded with Hitler. Zille didn't award massive government contracts to Indian fellows, the Anc under Zuma did.

      Jason - 2012-02-17 18:33

      LOL!!! Brilliant, simply brilliant! Thanks for that Vegi!

      Cuan Michael Jeftha - 2012-02-17 18:35

      What a load of crap. You seriously need to get your head checked and your facts straight.

      loctor.waterson - 2012-02-17 18:44

      @Vegi, atleast I know where is her side. everyone knows that Helen Zille hates president J(msholozi).

      Sean - 2012-02-17 18:47

      Well Vegie , nice to try and justify corruption ``South Africa does not even make the top 20 in the world corruption index`` How pathetic to compare with the worst !

      Kim - 2012-02-17 18:54

      Ouch Vegi....You speak the biggest load of B..S. You and your mates would never free yourselves out of a wet paper bag.

      criticallyhonest - 2012-02-17 18:59

      The power of words....who was it that said that by naming something you give it life? Beware the propogandists

      Irene - 2012-02-17 19:04

      Hilarious! You can always count on Vegi for a good laugh.

      barabus2012 - 2012-02-17 20:20

      @Vegi - Your comments over the last few days have been nothing but pure lies! Your name suits you well. Vegi = brain dead.

      charles.hodgson - 2012-02-17 22:54

      Rampat?

      Johan - 2012-02-18 06:35

      Vegi...did it hurt much when you were dropped on your head as a child?

      SarelJBotha - 2012-02-18 08:03

      R20billion lost in one year and you say we have nothing to worry about? You are truely a very lost soul.

      Mikkel - 2012-02-21 23:24

      #vegi .. I think you are a "vegie".

  • Max - 2012-02-17 18:25

    I think it is more a case of Zuma not keeping to the story that one of his spin doctors prepared for him. The moment he stopped reading and tried to put his own flavour to the story he steped in it.

  • Ampers - 2012-02-17 18:27

    If this bill goes through, why not use a Website abroad to publish the corruption, and publish the website in SA? You could start with useful information only, so you could publish the address with impunity. Once you start using the website for exposing corruption, the papers could immediately stop publishing the website but by then it would be too late, everyone would know about it.

  • CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-17 18:27

    1. Zuma's statement about corruption IS to be laughed at. Not only S Africans - also the WORLD. 2. Zuma's statement about land distribution is even more ridiculous. Could we get a report on what is happening on all farms purchased. Especially those in the Marico area given to army generals. Who still is on the army payroll. and given to army generals

  • CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-17 18:28

    Then why is John Block and the Limpopo government and Julius not in jail yet?

      Vegi - 2012-02-17 18:33

      Those people are under investigation and Block's case is currently pending before court. You argument does not cut it.

      Francois - 2012-02-17 19:01

      Vegi, he did not make an argument, he asked a question and in the first sentence you provided it. Allow me to ask follow up questions: If Zuma is so serious about corruption, why does he waste judicial time in arguing the constitution, defending his own alleged crimes, having commissions chaired by judges and not having a go at Mbeki, himself, Block, Malema, Mathale etc to see to it that justice is served as quickly as possible. Do you not think that perhaps it is because he knows that he will be found guilty along with a lot of others and to even make it worse, the ANC as an organization, will have to pay back money to the fiscus?

      Vegi - 2012-02-17 19:29

      Francois Zuma was never acquitted by a court of law. He is obviously worried sick about what will happen as soon as he hands over power, hence his fight to remain in power for longer while pondering his ultimate fate. Also if you have any information of wrongdoing against Mbeki and Mathale you are free to lay charges against them and those charges will be investigated. The others you mentioned are already under investigation or facing charges. I am dissappointed that allegations of corruption against the DA are never followed up.

      Francois - 2012-02-17 19:38

      Ai tog Vegi, I said Zuma must have a go at those people if he is serious about corruption. If they come clean then the better for us all. Then onto the DA, the person who will gain the most by having a go at the DA and have all the resources he can dream of available is Zuma. Now I think that it is a logic conclusion that either the chance of getting a guilty verdict is very small or the rumours are just not truem but fair is fair, ask Zuma to have a go at all, if he is serious about corruption. I am serious about corruption and fight wherever I can and do not bribe people.

      Peter - 2012-02-17 19:49

      @Vegi: I charge you to name one single case of corruption against the DA that has NOT been followed up - usually by the DA itself. Unlike the ANC, the DA is its own most stringent monitor.

      Irene - 2012-02-17 20:11

      Vegi, why haven't you laid a charge against the DA? I'll tell you why. Because you'll make an even bigger @rse of yourself than you make on this website. Don't you just cringe when you see what people think of your comments?

      barabus2012 - 2012-02-17 20:21

      @Vegi - Your comments over the last few days have been nothing but pure lies! Your name suits you well. Vegi = brain dead.

      Mikkel - 2012-02-21 23:27

      #vegi ...Do you realize that EVERYONE disagree with you or the majority of people here? So it think it would be better if you shut it.

  • Larry - 2012-02-17 18:29

    He is not just disconnected. He is a lying Toad, who will spout any rubbish for the Rural folk, who have no way of checking, even if they wanted to.

      Shirley - 2012-02-17 18:43

      Vegi: You got the steal part right! Well done! Please dont vote for other people- he may be your president but Larry is entitled to his own choice!

      Lara - 2012-02-17 18:45

      Oh Vegi, you are a classic. Freudian slip if ever I saw one. I suggest, 'He is still your steal president.'

      Francois - 2012-02-17 19:21

      Actually he stole the leadership of the ANC, Vegi, as he did not have his day in court, but he is not the leader of SA, as he does not act in the interest of all South Africans. At best he acts in the interest of a part of the ANC. Anyway, we either need our education money back (yes someone, we the taxpayers, pay for FREE education)or like Lara said it is the best Freudian slip of the year so far! Just to explain Freudian slips by a better example, if Zuma is in bed with his girlfriend of the evening and he wants to say: "I love you" and it comes out (no pun intended): "Here is your taxi money, I am off to the shower" - it is a protracted Freudian slit.

      barabus2012 - 2012-02-17 20:25

      Leader of the toads you mean. He is a toad. zuma is a toad. JZ is a toad. Toad toad toad toad toad toad toad. King of toad. Leader of the toads. Father of all toads. Toad toad toad toad toad toad toad toad toad toad toad

  • CALAMITYSA - 2012-02-17 18:29

    1. Zuma's statement about corruption IS to be laughed at. Not only S Africans - also the WORLD. 2. Zuma's statement about land distribution is even more ridiculous. Could we get a report on what is happening on all farms purchased. Especially those in the Marico area given to army generals. Who still is on the army payroll. and given to army generals

  • Rebaone - 2012-02-17 18:33

    I would like to agree DA because Zuma is jst reading what is written in his speech and the fact of the matter is that his corruption programmes are not working as the government is the one that is corrupt.

  • Glyn - 2012-02-17 18:34

    How about Zuma ans Zille having a regular monthly debate on various topics. They can start with corruption. I bet that Zuma and the anc will not cooperate, they are afraid of the truth! They are afraid of the DA! They are afraid of Zille!

  • Lavida Koekemoer - 2012-02-17 18:35

    I can't for his term to end...

  • anthony.swart - 2012-02-17 18:45

    When Zuma came to power we thought he would be a peoples president, only to discover that he seems to think he's a playboy. He is totally out of touch with the people, crime is still rife, corruption is still rife, service delivery is a joke. he is being lied to and is to busy chasing skirts to see what is happening the sooner his term in office comes to an end the better.

  • jandreleroux - 2012-02-17 18:46

    Isn't being disconnected a requirement for being a politician? Like David Kramer sang: Almal bid vir vrede Almal soek net Elke politician op sy eie mission verbeel hom hy's nou my held. Nou wil hy my hand skud Nou wil hy die baba soen. Nou gaan hy alles mooi reg maak nou weet hy wat hy moet doen!

  • Lloyd Lucas - 2012-02-17 18:47

    Just the thought of what could be...makes me wanna cry...S.A. Has soooo much potential. Too bad those in power are too short sighted to see it.

  • criticallyhonest - 2012-02-17 18:54

    Zuma is also disconnected from the consequences of his words and actions. In part because he is protected and I suppose in part because of his nature.

  • Makatikamusona - 2012-02-17 19:00

    Although I consider that to be an insult to the President and the elder,I still can not figure out how the Government could expose its corruption, that would be the end of secrecy,corruption,etc. I am saying this because it means if you gonna expose yourself, you might just as well prevent/stop what you gonna do before you do it. Complications, Contradiction, Confusion, Humiliation,etc

      criticallyhonest - 2012-02-17 19:12

      Makaitka: Seems like a fundamental difference of approach here. Nobody gets my respect just by their position/rank/job/name/family/reputation etc. Respect is earned by actions.

  • ultracars - 2012-02-17 19:36

    Jacob you can't even run a bath

      Irene - 2012-02-17 20:13

      Can't run a bath but boy can he pomp and jive! :)

      Juan - 2012-02-18 02:49

      That's why he showers. But it's not why he is known as SHOWER HEAD.

      Mikkel - 2012-02-21 23:28

      #Irene hahahaha nice one !

  • Joe - 2012-02-17 19:44

    Who is DA ?

      Juann Strauss - 2012-02-17 20:27

      Direct Access? District Attorney? Die Awb?

  • pws69 - 2012-02-17 20:05

    Was Zuma EVER connected with reality?

  • Dan - 2012-02-17 20:18

    Surely he can't be serious! I saw deliver that speech and I couldn't believe that he actually did so with a straight face.

  • Ursula Forrest - 2012-02-18 06:45

    Wake up Zuma - it is the government that is corrupt! The information bill is just a tool the government will use to hide the corruption.

  • Chris - 2012-02-18 08:00

    Zuma was misquoted. They have a program to hide corruption. Look at the proposed press laws and trying implement laws to have Parliament overrule Constitutional Court rulings.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-18 08:02

    I agree, the ANC is disconnectd from the reality of corruption. I also know that the DA is disconnected from the reality as far as a socialist, nanny state is concerned. With two socialist parties as the only contenders in RSA, the people of RSA need to look closely at Europe and see where socialist ideas led them. In RSA with it's small taxbase and huge social spending account, there will be blood on the streets when the money runs out. The ANC knows this, therefor the clamouring to get extra taxes from the mines and ensure they get to stay in power.

  • Tony - 2012-02-18 08:26

    Maybe showerkop is not so disconnected. He certainly knows what crap to spew to the uneducated masses to get their vote.... he is and always be the populist that says what you want to hear... like the ANC is sincere (yeah right). but then again, the DAs good showing in the by elections tells us that even the uneducated are tired of his crap.

  • Gerhard - 2012-02-18 08:55

    Quite obviously Zuma believes his own lies!

  • Nigel - 2012-02-18 10:02

    ....."It's not being fought anywhere else." This statement shows that he is either completely naive or a blatant lier, or both. To make such a statement is an insult to anyone that has 1/2 a brain. If you google governments fighting corruption you will see that not only are there many countries frighting corruption, but that they are a whole lot better at dealing with it.

  • frank.hartry - 2012-02-18 10:13

    The DA is merely stating what we already know. There is ofcourse corruption within their own political ranks. Travelgate thieves were also from the DA albeit less so than the ANC. At present there is a DA member of parliment up in front of the DA internal disciplinary committee for allegedly stealing R275000 of taxpayers money in 2010. The DA refuses to call in the Hawkes to investigate and is not being transparent in the hope that we South Africans will not notice that the DA is also corrupt. In fact ALL of the politicians in South Africa are a bunch of non working thieves in my opinion, who are only out to enrich themselves. Look how they flouted their wealth in front of the poor people at the state of the nation address. Then the fat cats in wealth as well as body, all went off to celebrate Zuma in a marquee for a sumtuous dinner which cost we taxpayers R20 million. They really are the scum of the earth.

  • Geoff - 2012-03-20 14:19

    Zuma is just a sad pathetic joke but also a dangerous one.

  • rscrooby - 2012-03-20 14:22

    @Vegi. It is obvious that you like the smell of your own craps as it sprays out your mouth. Mind you we can all see that you definitely have you head so far up your own backside that to believe that this is a new fragrance and now wear this as your favorite deodorant. Shame what a poor mentally challenged individual.

  • Joe - 2012-03-20 14:59

    I think is one repeats the same bull s%$#t over and over to one’s self, it eventually starts to seem real...however, it remains bull s%$#t. What amazes me, is that the masses of ignorant people still vote for them...it’s just crazy.... PLEASE DONT RUB ME OUT ALL THE TIME....BLOODY AGENT..!!!!!

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