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Zuma lashes out at ANCYL

2012-02-23 19:04

Johannesburg - The ANC Youth League could not be separated from the ANC, President Jacob Zuma said on Thursday.

Its name was not the ANC or ANCYL, he said, in a comment which could be a reference to the league's insistence that it was autonomous.

"It is the A-N-C-Youth-League," Zuma enunciated. The same applied to the Women's League.

"Emphasis... emphasis... emphasis," he said to chortling from the delegates.

The youth were meant to help the ANC become what it was supposed to be.

"It must use its energy and influence the ANC, and not the other way around."

The energy and innovation of the youth were vital to the ANC, but their ideas should be argued through the proper structures, he said.

"If you think you are right, pursue the argument correctly within the proper structures," he said, without mentioning the possible expulsion of ANC Youth League president Julius Malema from the party.

Normal for youth to be militant

He told delegates at the National Union of Metalworkers of SA's national political commission that it was normal for the youth to be militant. However, the ANCYL was a part of the ANC, and not a separate entity.

It should present ideas to the ANC itself and within ANC structures, and unless its proposals were accepted they were not ANC policy.

"You can make the noise 24 hours, the whole year, it doesn't change the path of history."

Zuma said he was once a militant youth league member and had been part of a plan to descend on Durban's old Smith and West streets to kill white people. They had been gossiping among themselves outside meetings and decided they would buy bush knives and descend on the two streets at about 11:00 on a Saturday when it was busy.

"We are going to butcher them... And the leaders will come and lead the revolution," Zuma recalled, during a speech that was off-the-cuff for much of the two hours it lasted. At the last minute they decided to tell ANC leaders they were about to start a revolution.

"Hey, these guys are planning to start a revolution with bush knives," he recalled of the conversation.

Youth make mistakes

However, the youths got such a tongue-lashing they slunk away and abandoned their plan. People made mistakes.

"If they don't make mistakes they are not the youth," he said.

Youths were vocal because of the problems the country faced. And if they felt they were right they should pursue their arguments correctly within the proper structures.

"But they must be disciplined," Zuma said.

The youth league was established because the ideas of the youth were important, he continued.

"They bring militancy, energy, energy, everything."

Former president Nelson Mandela was also very militant when he was younger, he said, but he had the gift of knowing what was incorrect before others realised it. He would meet a person for tea and discussions if there was a difference of opinion.

Peter Mokaba, a former ANCYL leader and also considered militant, would spend sleepless nights preparing documents he hoped would change the leadership's view on something.

"That's the way you do it," he said.

At the same time, he encouraged the union to get representation on the ANC's national executive committee so workers' ideas could be represented there.

"The fact that the leaders of the union are not on the NEC is a shortcoming. How do you influence policy when you are not at the centre [of where decisions are made]?"

On leaving, Zuma shook hands with people lining his path and his bodyguards gave delegates some leeway in allowing for quick poses for photographs.

Comments
  • Werner Michael Strydom - 2012-02-23 19:13

    The ever hopeful part of me hopes this is a precursor to the expulsion of one Julias Malema.

      theO rAcLe - 2012-02-23 19:41

      Yep.. the penny has dropped...Malema is history...

      Mike - 2012-02-23 20:17

      Nope, they are going to start the anccl (anc creche league). That would put some "emphasis" on the yl!! And trust me; the anccl will make the most noise!

      Sean - 2012-02-23 20:42

      Why do you need to be militant ?? Ffs , they are a a bunch of f@cken clowns !!

      bernpm - 2012-02-23 20:50

      "We are going to butcher them... And the leaders will come and lead the revolution," Zuma recalled,.............. they decided to tell ANC leaders they were about to start a revolution. "Wie wind zaait, zal storm oogsten"...when you sow wind you will harvest storm

      Koekies - 2012-02-23 22:18

      I like our Zulu prez!

  • Sharon - 2012-02-23 19:17

    The question here is, do we still need militant leaders? The answer, clearly is NO, their time has passed, now we need leaders who are going to unify our children, and build a South Africa that everyone can enjoy.

      Madder Man - 2012-02-23 20:03

      I agree we don't need militant youth. however look at what drives the youth to their actions. High rates of unemployment within the youth, and then they see the leadership of the ANC and the country driving fancy cars living in fancy houses, making millions off tenders. The youth are frustrated! Julius was a fool, but not everything he said was rubbish, not every matter he raised was imaginary.

      Mike - 2012-02-23 20:18

      Mmmm, also start looking as if this is some apple shining for bringing Malemmer back!!

      snylo - 2012-02-23 20:46

      Agree with you regarding the need nowadays for militant leaders. Zuma is wanting those youth to be disciplined yet where do they get their example of discipline from, as virtually none of the ANC leaders are even disciplined themselves! Not much of an example.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-23 22:56

      @ Sharon.. could not have put it better myself!

      Peter - 2012-02-26 10:53

      Madder Man, Julius never raised issues re the gluttony of the ruling elite. In fact he openly condones it. That wealth should be more fairly distributed through better wages etc is surely a better way to empower the poor. The ANC elite (ANCYL included) is clearly focussed on enriching themselves, not uplifting the poor. The poor are just used as political fodder to achieve their own selfish goals. Hello Africa.

  • Nico - 2012-02-23 19:46

    Hi Mike.... isn't your comment re:19:26 ""a repeat of your comment of 19:25 ?? Just asking.

  • jofouche - 2012-02-23 20:00

    Zuma said he was once a militant youth league member and had been part of a plan to descend on Durban's old Smith and West streets to kill white people. They had been gossiping among themselves outside meetings and decided they would buy bush knives and descend on the two streets at about 11:00 on a Saturday when it was busy. - this might still come to pass

      Kai - 2012-02-24 11:56

      If he gets his second term then am sure it will, he'll set himself up as dictator for life then we'll see his true colours as he calls for his machine gun.

  • Donny Doncaster - 2012-02-23 20:00

    .."ons" president is 'n barbaar.

  • Philip - 2012-02-23 20:00

    Mr. President ... so you are saying it's normal for the youth to want to kill people?? Maybe some of the guys did not get it out of their heads and are committing all the farm murders. Might be a possibility why the government is doing nothing about it. Why is there so much genocide in Africa? Is it the African way? Are those guys still on trial for allegedly planning something similar??

      Madder Man - 2012-02-23 20:08

      Is it not normal for the oppressed and violated, to want to kill their oppressors? Black people and especially the youth, were being killed like flies during apartheid. the fact that JZ planned such an act shows how desperate they were. and when democracy came, the anc did not institutionalise revenge killings, unlike the previous govt which treated us black people like animals to be culled. the fact that farmers are being murdered is a crime. BUT there are thousands more people (black and white) who do not live on farms that are being killed. crime is crime, period.

      snylo - 2012-02-23 20:54

      @Madder Man, crime is crime yes, but is it not true that the VAST majority of the violent crime, such as rape & murder is carried out by black people? It seems as if it's an inherited trait, perhaps an inbred hatred which will never be overcome?

      Mano-Lee - 2012-02-23 21:27

      @madder - Out of the 24000 political murders, only less than a 1000 were done by the apartheid goverment. The rest were all commited between the anc PAC and IFP. You guys butchered more of your kind than the secret police did.

      Philip - 2012-02-23 21:27

      The passion for revenge is strong and sometimes almost overwhelming. But our intuitive logic about revenge is often twisted, conflicted, parochial, and dangerous. Revenge is a primitive, destructive, and violent response to anger, injury, or humiliation. It is a misguided attempt to transform shame into pride. Many governments, religions, traditions, and cultures provide guidance on when revenge may and may not be sought. Unfortunately this guidance is often unsatisfactory because it excludes groups of people, often mistreats women, generally leads to escalation, is unevenly applied, and typically leads to prolonged and escalated violence. Choose another path. Definitions The desire to get even, Retaliation for injury, loss, or humiliation, An attempt to transform shame into pride. Seeking symmetrical injury, harm, or loss Roots: from revengier : re- + vengier, from Latin vindicare, to avenge again, vindicate. Revenge is directed passionately at a specific target with the intent of doing them harm because you believe they have intentionally done you harm. It is the dark side of reciprocity.

      Rocky - 2012-02-23 21:29

      Madder man: "killed like flies"????? serious 7000 killed in 42 years my friend is fact Not NP research but ANC research !!! get your facts right. During the Mbekie era it is estimated 300,000+ people died as a result of his and msimang- banana's denial that aids exist. KNOWLEDGE MY FRIEND. FACTS. IGNORAMUS

      Philip - 2012-02-23 21:34

      @ Madder Man ... I agree on some of your points, but when I refer to genocide in Africa I'm not talking about white people c'mon. Rwanda Sierra-Leone etc. was my reference where it is black on black and is still genocide. The continent struggles to get rid of this sort of violence.

  • Dmitri - 2012-02-23 20:10

    We are going to butcher them... And what exactly has changed...

      Sean - 2012-02-23 20:44

      They are butchering each other and the poor farmers ! African primitive way of life !!

  • braamc - 2012-02-23 20:15

    Ja what ever

  • stephen.cole1 - 2012-02-23 20:17

    With this kind of talk who the hell needs convincing that hanging around is a bad idea ????

      andre.sunnasy - 2012-02-23 22:37

      By the sounds of it, looks like you've already moved...

  • MichaelPayne - 2012-02-23 20:29

    Ok, so the president just admitted to once seriously plotting to commit mass murder based on race? I want to make sure Im understanding him correctly

      Lauren - 2012-02-23 22:22

      William, may I ask how old you are? Were you not around when peaceful solutions were sought and the Nats held fast? Violence was a last resort.

      alansmartSnr - 2012-02-23 23:10

      LOL @ Adam.. Make that 4.. I need two doubles.. and a tranquilizer

      Peter - 2012-02-26 11:04

      Michael, you honestly believe the okes loved us? Promise you, if we had been oppressed the way these okes were oppressed, we would have had the same thoughts going through our heads. In fact, many of us mlungus currently have the same thoughts toying in the back of our heads, believe it, don't believe it. We're been pushed over the edge - and if we fall its going to be a big one for all, irrespective of race. Their is a lack of will amongst the majority of us to try to find common ground, and this is going to be our downfall. Writings on the wall, and we're all be guilty of causing it in some way or another. Promise. Pig headed people, we are.

  • ISO - 2012-02-23 20:35

    If we want to be militant go to the army! The struggle is long over! We need youth that can think of ideas how to beter this country for all!

  • Adam - 2012-02-23 20:35

    I am gob smacked!! How can a President try and rationalize with the youth by using a parallel of “running riot in the streets attaching white people with bush knives” The ANC elders stopped their plans, it was not any reasoning of his own. This has got to be the most inflammatory statement I have ever heard from any politician ever. I dreaded township tours and prayed that I would never have to raise my firearm towards anyone, regardless of colour. Please Mr. Prez, stick to reading scripts prepared for you, they are far less militant.

  • Nkosinathi - 2012-02-23 20:36

    With Malema soon to be removed from our body politic, its time every South African put the racism aside and realise that we all have to live together and shape a better nation for our kids. Those of us who comment on articles on this forum are probably middle to upper class with respect to the general SA populace and stand to lose more should the country descend into anarchy instigated by inflammatory comments from such figures as Malema and Mulder. Malema and his camp need to realise that we are now in a democracy and the ANC is a ruling party with responsibilities to SA. Mulder and his camp need to realise that the ANC is in power and largely representing the previously oppressed black majority. This majority feels that the fruits of freedom (land, jobs and a better life) are yet to be realised and perceive the white minority as still enjoying the fruits of apartheid. History on the continent has shown liberation parties abandoning any semblance of democracy and rule of law due to pressure from the electorate demanding a better deal at approximately 2 decades after the so called liberation. SA is at that stage, the poor are now up in arms literally AND NOW IS THE TIME FOR COOL HEADS AND CAREFULLY CHOSEN WORDS. What matters more now is how SA moves forward. Acceptance and tolerance are required!

      Gaynor Folgore - 2012-02-23 20:48

      Unfortunately your comment is too little too late nkosi

      Gaynor Folgore - 2012-02-23 20:50

      Unfortunately your comment is too little too late nkosi

      Nkosinathi - 2012-02-23 21:18

      Its never too late. Zuma's words show that he realises that he cant wish the white people away and is walking the tight rope between the demands, wishes and aspirations of all race groups in SA. The damage from 300+ years of of occupation, colonialism and apartheid cannot be undone in 18 odd years. Neither can the benefits derived from such a system evaporate in the same 18 odd yers. Today we have to all pull together and reconcile for all our sakes. The old bigotries, divisions and prejudices have to fall like the Berlin wall.

  • Liana - 2012-02-23 20:38

    The prez, who wanted to kill whites, berates the youth who are between 20 and 40 years old, who wants to shoot the boer, and he tells them it's not right to kill whites . Poor whites who dont't have a song..except those in the FAK. LOL

  • Sariena - 2012-02-23 20:48

    Nothing will happen to Malemma fishface.Zuma is so afrais of him.Zuma is a weakling and Malemma has a little more backbone.Zuma is afraid of malemma.

  • Pawel - 2012-02-23 20:52

    How can you be happy with a president saying "Zuma said he was once a militant youth league member and had been part of a plan to descend on Durban's old Smith and West streets to kill white people" I wonder if the Polish people would of accepted Hitler as their leader cos is now better and he is over his rage... ?!?!?!?

  • sduplessis - 2012-02-23 21:01

    Nice comment from the president that he also wanted to kill the white people... frikkin showerhead! Get rid of this ahole asap.

  • Gaynor Folgore - 2012-02-23 21:07

    Mmm wonder what bbc news and sky news would have to say about this

  • Rocky - 2012-02-23 21:23

    When “leuens” caught his tool in some gears they grafted on skin from his ears and now the poor guy can hear through his fly, but screwing just bores him to tears.

  • fpstevens - 2012-02-23 21:29

    So someone who admits to plotting genocide is now the leader of our country... And were all OK with this? In any civilized country an admission like that would have been the main focus of this article.

      Tony - 2012-02-24 06:35

      Your point is 100%spot on.... The twat ADMITS genocide was part of the plan!, But scary thingis many just don't see it!!

  • Philip - 2012-02-23 21:37

    The passion for revenge is strong and sometimes almost overwhelming. But our intuitive logic about revenge is often twisted, conflicted, parochial, and dangerous. Revenge is a primitive, destructive, and violent response to anger, injury, or humiliation. It is a misguided attempt to transform shame into pride. Many governments, religions, traditions, and cultures provide guidance on when revenge may and may not be sought. Unfortunately this guidance is often unsatisfactory because it excludes groups of people, often mistreats women, generally leads to escalation, is unevenly applied, and typically leads to prolonged and escalated violence. Choose another path. Definitions The desire to get even, Retaliation for injury, loss, or humiliation, An attempt to transform shame into pride. Seeking symmetrical injury, harm, or loss Roots: from revengier : re- + vengier, from Latin vindicare, to avenge again, vindicate. Revenge is directed passionately at a specific target with the intent of doing them harm because you believe they have intentionally done you harm. It is the dark side of reciprocity.

  • Lauren - 2012-02-23 22:30

    Ok, let me spell it out. The ANC of latter year were faced with the need to liberate their people. Asking did not work. Begging did not work. Common sense and humanity were not a considered option. Naturally, as it would happen with any other group of people who finds themselves oppressed, violence had to be considered. Wars are fought over these issues. What happened in South Africa? Mr Mandela walked out of jail and preached love and forgiveness and bloodshet was avoided. Now a lot of you have the cheek to take exception to the fact that Jacob Zuma and his cohorts considered violence as a means of liberation back in the day. It's rich coming from a group of people who have a history of conquering through violence. I am not preaching to hang on to the past, but let's not be selective when we read an entire article and then BLEAT on about the fact that this man once considered violence. I know my own Afrikaner people. We do not lie down easily. Why expect it from anybody else? It's rich to do so. Thumbs down. Go for it. I know I'm hitting a nerve. The truth usually does, because it's uncomfortable.

  • karen.cigana - 2012-02-24 04:44

    All they managed to do is to butcher the Govt.koffers and poor Gordham must fix it!Militancy is destructive in all forms. How long will it take for the ANC and ANCYL to understand this?

  • Tony - 2012-02-24 06:14

    All racists...

  • Tim - 2012-02-24 07:28

    good speech zuzu

  • IngridJeffery - 2012-02-24 08:36

    Well done Mr Zuma.....methinks the youth need more than a tongue lashing. They definitely need a new leader and perhaps this is the time for someone with an education and good leadership skills to step forward to lead the ANC Youth into the future. Long may Zuma and his government think along the lines of his "off the cuff" speach - at least he got his message out for a more democratic way of persuading future voters: perhaps the "Arab Spring" has had a far reaching influence!

  • heather.moller1 - 2012-02-24 08:38

    Malema was "hand reared" by JZ and knows way to much about his "dark side" and all the secrets. Now the "teenager" is a rebel and daddy JZ has no clue whatt to do. JZ cannot "afford" to get rid of Malema, cause he will sing like a canary and won't fall alone. "You reap what you sow". I hope they destroy one another - what a showdown it will be, forget the soapies!

  • david.madisha - 2012-04-18 08:52

    Youth still have loooooong way to go but the mother body must come up with a solution to clean the youth league....They should know that...its nt personal interest!!!Any child who disrespect his or her parents must be punished in any ways.................

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