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Zuma leads, tipped to take gold

2012-08-12 16:00

Johannesburg - Horse-trading and lobbying in the ANC are in full swing as party members look for leaders to take the party forward after its December elective congress in Mangaung.

The public debate about the process is, however, only due to start in a few weeks when nominations open. The party has placed an official moratorium on talking about names for now.

The City Press politics team ­canvassed lobbyists on the issue.

Most only spoke on condition of anonymity.

Although President Jacob Zuma appears vulnerable, enjoying solid support in only three provinces, he still stands a good chance of being re-elected.

The “forces of change” opposing Zuma seem to be in disarray: their chosen candidate, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe, has kept quiet about his ambitions so far.

There are strong indications that he is willing to be asked to stand, but some say he would not want to risk a bruising battle, which could see him ousted from the party’s leadership.

Meanwhile, Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale has become the face of the “pro-change” campaign.

Leaders wanting to be part of the ANC’s top six have also started considering their options.

Public Enterprises Minister Malusi Gigaba has been mentioned as a hopeful for national chairperson or even as deputy president at either Zuma or Motlanthe’s side.

He is part of a younger generation of leaders in the ANC, and lobbyists keen to break the tradition of older presidents are said to be supporting him.

ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe is also sought by both sides, with the Zuma camp wanting to retain him in his position and the Sexwale camp offering him a promotion to deputy president.

Comments
  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-08-12 16:37

    More promises again, and again and yet again. Lets ask him to fix up his cabinet and start employing people who are honest and have some type for integrity, that will go a long way to start fixing trouble spots. Where are these heads you keep promising that we will see roll, they just keep getting increases.

      Voiceinthedesert.co.za - 2012-08-12 17:37

      this propaganda is so boring, Zipper won't make it. Just because this propaganda effort is trying to confuse voters again, I don't think Zipper has what it takes for a second term. He has disgraced the country, his own party and everything Mandela worked for so hard. Hopefully people are not that stupid to elect this bastard again.

      lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-12 19:13

      So the people want the man who considers our MOST URGENT problem to be the de-colonisation of museums. Eish! My head hurts http://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2012/08/12/intervention-needed-at-museums-zuma

  • rbphiri - 2012-08-12 16:47

    Zuma is going for Gold...Aaah so the ANC have started with their paralympics.

      rbphiri - 2012-08-12 17:00

      No offence to people with disabilities but this was satire with the whole Zuma gold thing. Perhaps we should invent a new sport, where civil society are given guns and politicians placed as targets at the gun range.

      Anthea - 2012-08-12 17:45

      Mampara Olympics! I'd watch that sport you proposed, RPhiri. Where can one train for that?

      Emily-Jane Elson - 2012-08-12 19:30

      Anthea they don't have to train for that. To most of them it comes naturally, that's why they're so good at it!!

  • Michael - 2012-08-12 16:47

    All positions will remain the same, except for national chairperon due to other commitment undertaken by Baleka Mbethe in Africa, i see Ramaphosa Cyril taking over and therefore preparing to be second deputy president after 2014 Elections. There will be two Deputy presidents of the country.

  • merkwaardig.obskuur - 2012-08-12 16:53

    What an astonishing piece of journalism, with novel, probing questions and trailblazing new insights...

      Erna - 2012-08-12 17:59

      Agree and none of it gives me that warm, confident, fuzzy feeling! If we have to have the anc as the ruling party, do they really not have a more competent and inspiring LEADER who can take this country up up and away?

  • rinus.groeneveld.7 - 2012-08-12 16:59

    This is how US politics work ... lobby, lobby, lobby .. and for that, you need BIG bucks and LOTS of promises!

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-08-12 17:19

      Well US presidents also usually long on promises and short on delivery, but we have a special breed, very long on promises and nothing in return

  • Sechaba30 - 2012-08-12 17:04

    This is not too good

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-12 17:10

    Another Zuma term = the final nail in the ANC coffin. One can only hope there`ll still be a SA to salvage after another 5 years of looting, mayhem and other disasters that South Africans have to contend with such as crime, being milked to death by SARS, weekly traffic fines, collapsing provinces, the miseducation of our future (children), etc

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-12 19:35

      sorry but if you speed you get the fine. drive at 60 in a 60 zone then no fine will be forthcoming sir... If not Zuma who do you want as President of the ANC, my bet is you not even a card carrying member who is active in a branch. You can stand atop a mountain but if you not a member unfortunately your comment has impact on the news24 comments section (which is zero)

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-12 21:31

      Skhumbuzo I don't have a problem with obeying traffic rules. I have a problem with the government not caring whether one breaks traffic rules as long as they can pay. Traffic cops sitting behind bushes hoping motorist exceed the speed limit and sending them fines hardly contributes towards enforcement of the speed limit. And yes, I'm no longer a member of the corrupt ANC. I have also influenced my relatives to vote against the ANC for as long as it is led by the corrupt. Therefore, my influence is not just limited to news24. ANC sheep like you can also learn from my comments

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-12 21:52

      Skhumbuzo I have also successfully convinced close friends and acquaintances to vote for any party but the corrupt ANC. If you were to spend a few hours with me, you would stop voting for corruption too I can assure you.

      sally.lewitt - 2012-08-13 01:15

      sikhumbuzok.. Excuse me! Who do you THINK is funding all this looting? Yes, US the Tax Payers! OUCH!

      willem.louw1 - 2012-08-13 10:22

      Themba, why don't you stand for president? South Africa needs more people like you, of all races, who will see the anc for what it really is and who are committed to honest, effective government. You definitely have my support!

  • juicecard.tshaka - 2012-08-12 17:17

    This is crap piece of journalism where the author`s unsubstantiated opinion is presented as fact.Does news24 have an editor?

  • sinethemba.bryan - 2012-08-12 17:20

    Gedleyihlekisa for 2nd term as president nomakanjani!

      Sechaba30 - 2012-08-12 17:45

      I wish he looses bra

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-12 18:04

      Perhaps the former goatherder must be elected so that the masses can remove him and the corrupt ANC, Arab~spring style. That way SA can be rid of the ANC much sooner

      mnathisto - 2012-08-12 18:04

      definately bryan...he is gng to b re -elected...who evr who wld b unhppy ther aftr wld b free to leave the country in peace

      robert.mt.10 - 2012-08-12 18:33

      what better do u see on him,that we don't know.

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-12 19:40

      I stand with you bra. President Zuma appointed Thuli Madonsela as PP. She is exceptional in her job; resulting in two ministers fired + Police Commissioner. We have 2 new Universities coming up; MP and NC. Our Ministers are accountable now for their performance. Also forthcoming is the biggest infrastructural drive this country has experienced in decades. It is easy to look to leaders for change and direction; but if you want change in your life you must go out there and get it. From students doing history at school and falling pregnant; tomorrow they blame Gvt when they cant get jobs.

  • charnelle.bester - 2012-08-12 17:23

    Every 3 years they do the same thing. Another stunt to get them votes. Its simple Zuma must go, he must just go!!

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-08-12 17:25

    Just listen to them ...... baaaa baaaaa baaaaaa baaaaaa baaaaaa!

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-12 19:41

      yeah says someone who was in all likelihood an apartheid govt sympathiser.

      riaan.mostert.58 - 2012-08-12 20:46

      sikhumbuzok Get some new material, gaot shagger sympathizer.

  • pisciotta - 2012-08-12 17:42

    Would someone please pop that melon head open and be done with it?

  • Motho - 2012-08-12 17:56

    There is another Cde that people are not mentioning, Francois Viruly @ UCT. Ask for his CV and u'll see his credentials.

  • Londo Cedric Marageni - 2012-08-12 18:05

    hy is beter as 'n hoof nie 'n president

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-08-12 18:10

    Mmm, horse trading about sums it up. Problem of course is that I don't think any of them are to be trusted. Maybe we should hold a raffle.

  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-12 18:12

    i wish and hope this stupid leadership selection process in mangaung turns into bloodshed....what a lot of bull crap by selfish stupid grown up men and women....the country is going to the dogs while some stupid old man with a bald head the size of Shag O' Neil's shoe is buzy smilling with women half his age and wasting our tax on rental cars,houses,increasing MP's credit limit,anc's worthless parties etc....unfortunately only a small percentage of the majority is educated and thinking rationaly,that's why even if we don't vote,the hopeless masses will keep this bafoons in power till our currency competes with that of zimbabwe....

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-12 19:52

      start your own party then you can have your stupid leadership selection process. Fact is its a robust process and truly democratic whereby the leadership is determined by the ordinary members of the party. i know this doesnt qualify as Mangaung 101 but take it as a bridging course. Your wish for bloodshed indicates a shrunken brain which finds solutions through violence.

      pawmetmhla.mqadi - 2012-08-12 22:11

      This pig headd sekwati knows nothin abt us( Zulus), there're smarter ways to raise ur views\ TRICK!!\

  • Sakhiwo - 2012-08-12 18:24

    Two camps,uva njani

  • J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-08-12 19:04

    But he's as old as I am. Some cocklehead's let him through the cracks.

  • stanton.clarke - 2012-08-12 19:27

    Dont care who is the next ANC leader, its time for a change, time to give a new political party a chance at leading this country.

      sikhumbuzok - 2012-08-12 19:43

      sorry the electorate disagree

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-12 20:45

      The illiterate electorate is lied to: told by the former goatherder the ancestors will turn against them and they will go to heaven if they vote for the ANC. No informed decisions to vote for competence, good governance and service delivery. That is why they wake up too late to see the lies and then toyi-toyi after voting on the basis of lies

  • grievance.mbhalentyne - 2012-08-12 21:29

    This is not news , the editor was either bored or it was just matter of making money for city press. His telling the same thing we heard 3 months ago , things have changed about this leadership, the editor his suffering from babalaz . We need hard core news not mangaung circus. Zuma the master of failor in service delivery mxm tell us about something else.

  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-12 22:22

    those who are educated and those making something out of their lives don't care about the anc.period...anc is for those who are still waiting for 'FREE' promised things....let us all wake up my fellow south africans,especialy the black nation...we owe anc nothing,it's no longer a political party but a joke... A complete circus

  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-12 22:23

    those who are educated and those making something out of their lives don't care about the anc.period...anc is for those who are still waiting for 'FREE' promised things....let us all wake up my fellow south africans,especialy the black nation...we owe anc nothing,it's no longer a political party but a joke... A complete circus

      sally.lewitt - 2012-08-13 00:57

      Sekwati.. Us hard working Tax Payers ARE funding these Idiots and WHAT can THEY show me for my money except blatant THEFT and Thuggery.. So I can not 'not care' sad but true..

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-12 22:43

    How sad that this Zooomer piece of filth is the best they can come up with.

      Phumlani Madlala - 2012-08-13 02:07

      i always question your choice of words aunt Irene,you betrayed your father Prince Mangosuthu,like it or not you are still gonna make the same noise after the next elections

  • Zahir - 2012-08-12 23:17

    I see another 5 years of hell if the current group with zoomer continues to be in control

  • Phumlani Madlala - 2012-08-13 01:54

    why are you Devil s alliance people so obsessed about ANC s policies,we don t know and not interested in yours we are busy strategising and you are coping from ours in the meantime,ANC is not corrupt may be certain individuals from within

  • piet.boerie - 2012-08-13 05:11

    JZ the master chess champion, the ninja warrior will not be defeated. He is way too skillful at politics. A man with 4 wives(countless lovers) knows every move and JZ knows them all. Imagine the politics at his house? No one is going to stop him. I just wonder how many more cadres will die by their own before this is finnished? The ANC have been taken over by the forces of darkness, the once mighty liberators have been corrupted and darkness is growing in its soul. Will there be a brave man or women that will stand up and be counted and stop this madness and fall into destruction. I doubt it, it will once again be up to the grass roots, you know the ones that really did the fighting, while the leaders stroll along with Gucci and Prada.

  • tbabolaeng - 2012-08-13 06:48

    Zuma trips and falls on his face, making him not to finish the race!

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-13 14:53

    What do they pay? I mean let's be honest, votes, at that level, never come cheap.

  • terrence.holtzhausen - 2012-10-21 23:00

    "He is part of a younger generation of leaders in the ANC, and lobbyists keen to break the tradition of older presidents are said to be supporting him." That word LOBBYIST should already tell you this dude is not good for people but for corporatism.

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