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Zuma sets Cele an ultimatum

2011-09-22 22:29

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma has asked police chief Bheki Cele to give him reasons why he should not be suspended pending the outcome of the inquiry into two controversial police leases, the presidency said on Thursday.

Spokesperson Mac Maharaja said Zuma issued the notice on August 29.

"In terms of this notice, the president informed the national commissioner that he intends to institute an inquiry into allegations of misconduct in relation to the procurement of both leases as per the findings of the public protector," Maharaj said.

"The national commissioner was afforded an opportunity to make representations as to why the president should not suspend him pending the outcome of the inquiry."

He said Cele had since comprehensively responded to Zuma's notice, and the president was considering Cele's representations.

"The national commissioner is co-operating fully with the president in this process," said Maharaj.

"The president is currently in discussion with... Cele, in relation to the matters affecting him in the two reports," he said.

Most of the matters Zuma was working on could not be discussed in full without prejudicing the parties affected.

"He will continue to follow due process to ensure that the matters are disposed of using correct procedures," Maharaj said

Public Protector Thuli Madonsela found that two lease agreements with businessman Roux Shabangu for police office space in Pretoria and Durban were concluded in an unlawful and improper way.

She held Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde responsible.

Comments
  • MyWereld - 2011-09-22 22:47

    Sounds like a rugby ref asking why a try should not be awarded.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-22 23:16

      "Mr SPEAKER... is there any reason I should not REDEPLOY this CADRE"?????

      Harvey - 2011-09-22 23:31

      Why is Zuma talking about suspension, and not bail? This is a criminal matter not a disciplinary one. This is the response from Zuma after all that reading and deep pondering? After an official document clearly stating Cele's complicity in blatent fraud? After Zuma's repeated statement to show zero tolerance to corruption?

      cliffarc - 2011-09-23 00:00

      - Hmm - I foresee another 'chest pains' episode coming for Cele, followed by one years sick leave on full pay, while Zuma finds some room under the carpet for this one to be swept away.

      Sedick - 2011-09-23 00:18

      Please be patient all. Zuma is applying his mind.......

      RobertKay - 2011-09-23 04:35

      And it took them a month to tell us? Is this for real, or just a sweetener to make us believe something is actually happening. Time will tell I suppose, but I can't feel optimistic about the outcome.

      kilo39 - 2011-09-23 05:28

      @cliffarc - 'nail on the head'.

      StBad - 2011-09-23 06:45

      Suspension with full pay the immediate penalty... I'm sure he's hardly trembling in his boots!

      Renny Meere - 2011-09-23 06:53

      Suspension with full pay...... that should teach him?

      Rolie - 2011-09-23 06:53

      One of these days the whole ANC government will be running the country from behind prison bars!

      CHIPPER_CHAP - 2011-09-23 07:02

      Says the judge to the already proven guilty murderer, is there any reason why i should find you guilty?

      myancmyfutur - 2011-09-23 07:07

      Its a simple proceedure, that is followed prior to the suspension of senior officials in government. This is proof that the president is indeed handling the matter.

      wasp - 2011-09-23 07:29

      Politicians are funny.

      johan - 2011-09-23 08:36

      THIS CAPTAIN OF OUR SHIP DRIVING SOUTH AFRICA MIGHT LIKE TO RENAME IT 'TITANIC'

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-23 08:49

      POLITICS.... POLI = Greek for MANY TICS = BLOOD SUCKERS... Therefore POLITICS = MANY BLOOD SUCKERS!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 08:56

      Did a course on fraud awareness yesterday. Three hours long. Why - all one needs to do is look at the ANC for 2 minutes...

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 08:58

      @ MyWêreld - "Sounds like a rugby ref asking why a try should not be awarded." Imagine the TV umpire slowly analysing the video footage... "and Zuma passes the brown envelope to Cele... oh and it just touched the rim of his bag as it went inside. No corruption!"

      eric.vanvuuren - 2011-09-23 09:02

      People can say what they want this is our best police chief since '94. Even though it seems half arsed and a little bit too narrow sighted at times, the overall effect of visible policing is reassuring at best. That point alone is a step toward the positive.

      Green Oaks - 2011-09-23 09:08

      "Zuma sets Cele an ultimatum" Share your bribe with me, or else !!!!

      GypseyAnn - 2011-09-23 09:51

      @ myancmyfuture (NOT REALLY) you can't be serious - this is once more being handled in "Africa time". He has had the report for quite a lengthy period. If they weren't all so damned crooked, he could use some of his time to be with his umpteen wives instead of having to concentrate every night on a new chapter in the saga that is called "The ANC Soapie" :)

      Neles - 2011-09-23 09:55

      confirm primary or secondary question?

      Zebedi - 2011-09-23 11:20

      Surely the findings by the public protector are the result of an inquiry that was instituted. Why are they instituting an inquiry into the results of an inquiry? Did the results come out the wrong way, or is the report from the public protector not sufficient in itself? Let's spend lots of money to find out why we spent lots of money. Flocking idiots, the whole herd of them.

      beicime - 2011-09-23 11:32

      You are WRONG... for you would like an opportunity to clarify some good reason that is not known yet. The President is correct.

      King147 - 2011-09-23 14:45

      Monkey(cele) see Boss do (Zuma), Monkey does!

      Mike - 2011-09-25 21:34

      @MyWereld ... Great analogy. Except in this case the TV ref (aka Public Protector) has already given a very detailed and deeply considered answer, and then the Ref says: "Yes, but don't you think I need to ask some people in the crowd what they think I should do about it ... maybe ... I don't know, it's all very confusing. Talk to Big Mac, he'll think of something. Meanwhile, play on, we'll figure out what to do later. Maybe after the match. Maybe after the tournament. Maybe after the whole bloody season is over...

  • Paul - 2011-09-22 22:55

    Come on.. asking him? You are supposed to be the leader Zuma! Sometimes leaders have to make tough decisions, and you have to fire someone. All this wishy washy, please tell me what happened, where can we re-deploy you, suspended on full pay for 2 years crap make me sick.

      RobertKay - 2011-09-23 04:37

      @George - please climb back into the hole you crawled out of. This is where intelligent, grown up people discuss serious matters. Now take your toys and go play!

      The Patriot - 2011-09-23 08:06

      on that note, ever seen Malema with a woman?

      dmbahera - 2011-09-23 08:43

      @RobertKay - you don't "climb" imto a hole. if you can't speak proper english then you surely have no place wher "intelligent prown up people discuss serious matters" coz you won't understand a thing and won't be able to contribute 'reasonably'. Zuma simply gave Cele his rightful opportunity to answer to the allegations - period.

      Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-09-23 08:53

      @dmbahera - Dude, if you want to have stab at someone, please ensure you articulate it properly and ensure that you spelling is in shape:) ROFL

      RobertKay - 2011-09-23 08:58

      @dmbahera - why can't I climb into a hole? I can climb into a bath can't I? And pots shouldn't call kettles black. Your knowledge of English as well as grammar is pathetic. Spelling mistakes galore. I suggest you read the beginning of the article again, as well as many good comments posted earlier, and may you will get the drift of what is being said. I appreciate that English is perhaps not your first language, so unless you have a Masters Degree in English, do not criticize! Have a nice day anyway.

      GypseyAnn - 2011-09-23 09:53

      Precisely Paul - absolutely no sense of leadership. Methinks he needs to attend some serious managerial courses without delay!

      Realbok - 2011-09-23 10:09

      @ George Fiveass... you poephol, did'nt you know that Afrikaaners who drank too much are also gay?? That's why we say "elke-hol-luss"!! Laugh at yourself for a change! '-)

      Cynic - 2011-09-23 11:11

      @dmbahera - do you call that mess proper English?

  • LuLuBug - 2011-09-22 22:58

    Hoo boy! these people must be exhausted.......when do they deal with REAL work???

      nic - 2011-09-23 01:28

      look at the state of our roads and public hospitals... Still need to pursue that answer???

  • I Like Everything - 2011-09-22 22:58

    I like this. I like this news article.

      Nico - 2011-09-23 07:07

      :-)

      jjcmenya - 2011-09-23 10:45

      LOL

      LuLuBug - 2011-09-23 10:57

      giggle what u smokin?

  • africanwolf - 2011-09-22 23:11

    Well done Mr President!

      cliffarc - 2011-09-23 00:19

      - Well done will be if Zuma charges and fires him, Cele gets convicted and faces the consequences, without any of the usual multi million severance, redeployment and pension packages. Nah, not likely - no harm in wishful thinking.

      Bantu74 - 2011-09-23 04:51

      Thats the way Mr President show them that you are capable of cleaning them out and you will do so to anyone and No-one is above the law.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-09-23 07:25

      @Cliffarc, Asking him why he should not be suspended, the letter will say " you have been accused of 1,2,3 and we have to suspend you and constitute an enquiry, what do you have to say for yourself? These are procedures that must be followed and the opposition parties understand that and if they oppose that I will not comment on this blog for a month.

      Mkushi - 2011-09-23 07:41

      Balls is what our president needs, absolutely pathetic statement from him, like so many others.

      PB - 2011-09-23 07:43

      myancmyfutur Seriously, how many more new "inquiries" are necessary before the results of the PREVIOUS inquiries are acted on? All of it is just windowdressing, wasting time and money and just confirming to the public that the ANC government is a total farce with NO ACCOUNTABILITY for the CRIMINAL BUFFOONS WHO RUN IT. FIRE HIS ASS, WITH NO GOLDEN HANDSHAKE AND PUT HIM IN JAIL - THE WASTED MILLIONS WE EVENTUALLY WILL GET TO HEAR ABOUT WILL FOREVER BE GONE.

      cliffarc - 2011-09-23 08:09

      - myanc- myproblem - You mean the same treatment and swift action as former police chief Selebi ?

      Koos Poggenpoel - 2011-09-23 08:56

      Please PLEASE DA - please oppose the approach followed by ZOOOOOMA - we will be rid of myancmyf*&^%*&up for a month.....Please !

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:05

      @ Mkushi - the problem is, he has balls... that's why half of SA got impregnated by him

      myancmyfutur - 2011-09-23 10:07

      @Cliffarc, Selebi was sentenced to 12 yrs and has appealed the sentence. PB We are a constitutional democracy and there are procedure to follow. Firing the Commissioner is not like firing a farm labourer, there are rules written that be challenged in court if not done proceedurally.

      PB - 2011-09-23 11:43

      myancmyfutur How many MORE TIMES does the procedure need to be re-done before it is accepted as fact????

  • Bill - 2011-09-22 23:19

    What a damp squib..! !t is not for him to tell you why he should not be dismissed..it is for you to tell him he is fired, period...! Zuma, you are incompetent and should step down and allow someone that can do the job properly to fill your shoes...!

      Phumlani Blose - 2011-09-23 07:15

      Anyone in mind?

      Bill - 2011-09-23 08:07

      @Phumlani Blose - I woud be very happy with Thulisile Madonesla as president thank you

  • King Cheetah - 2011-09-22 23:20

    He asked him a month ago roflmaoooooo for gods sakes Zuma is never in the Country...he's too worried about flitting around the world begging for a new place of residence and alienating the last few countries that were interested in assisting the RSA. He is also petrified of JuJu and ...Bheki and JuJu are huge mates... NOTHING WILL come of this.... THE EX TRAFFIC COP, LOVERBOY!! THAT WEARS FLASHY CLOTHES. TALKS THE TALK BUT IS ALSO PETRIFIED TO DO THE WALK AND LIVES LIKE A SUPER RICH WARLORD... Will never be suspended or punished...LOLOL!!! Gosh how dumb does Zuma really believe the citizens are LOL...

      King Cheetah - 2011-09-22 23:26

      BTW who the hell is Mac Maharaja ??? hahahahah!!! its actually maharaj and hes another HUGE Puppet in the ongoing puppet show LOL..... hahah @ Maharaja.... sounds like a curry powder to me ,too funny!!

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-22 23:47

      Mac maharaj.... = Mother-In-Laws TONGUE CURRY POWDER! Get it from the Durban Market.. Ringsting of note!

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:08

      Ringsting, lol... Gandhi's revenge?

      Matt :-) - 2011-09-23 09:08

      Mac Maharaja - could be McDonald's latest offering in Durban :-)

      Kenno - 2011-09-23 09:53

      @ King Cheetah..I seem to recall that Mac Maharagh was the guy who had something to do with the transport system in Durban, that he "bought out" screwed up and sold back to the municipality for like triple the price he paid for it. Something like that. Of course he is BOUND to have some sort of illegal past!

      The Wonderer - 2011-09-23 12:09

      Have you guys seen & listened to Mac Maharaj lately, one eye's starting to stare at the other, old man going senile with a personal vendetta against anybody who says anything bad about his African National Circus party.

  • Chris - 2011-09-22 23:29

    In all this hype let us understand that ubuntu means that we consult with the guilty before actually lowering the hammer. Only means they 'accused' has some time, at full pay of course, to get their financial affairs in order.

      AMS-Dammer - 2011-09-22 23:48

      King Cheetah seems to be a SERIOUS DOOS!

  • Mandla - 2011-09-22 23:49

    Thuli Madonsela is heading to parliamant as a DA representative,thats good.Go Thuli go the DA is waiting for you.

      TamaraSays - 2011-09-22 23:55

      The DA is BRIMMING with admirable ladies - Helen, Lindiwe, and Thuli? Dream team!

      TamaraSays - 2011-09-22 23:56

      And it wouldn't surprise me in the least if that WERE true. You can't be THIS close to the stench of corruption all the time, without wanting to amputate whatever is rotting!

      LuLuBug - 2011-09-23 00:12

      No not so great......bigger botox bills for us to pay!

  • croix - 2011-09-23 00:54

    We, the citizens of SA, are asking Cele to give us reasons why he should not be ARRESTED ???

      Kevin - 2011-09-23 06:24

      Leeuwkop ,Leeuwkop .Can I please have a room next to Fatboy?

  • nic - 2011-09-23 01:09

    once again old JZ shows he has f*all guts and backbone. Why drag this out any longer, wasting time and money. The to-do list is not getting shorter FFS. Did the public protector not give him enough evidence to nail this corrupt piece crap to the gutter?

  • AJ2 - 2011-09-23 04:56

    Anti corruptions efforts are only to be applauded when either the money is not wasted or channeled away in the first place OR is repaid in full. Neither of these outcomes are par for the courses in the SA political scene. So stop talking. The only 2 things I want to read are the deposit slip for the returned money and the termination of employment notices for those involves. End of.

  • Roy - 2011-09-23 05:15

    Another "top official" doing wrong,being suspended on full pay while he is being "investigated" and in the end being transferred to another department to carry on,like others,to do as he pleases. What a joke this goverment is.

  • kleinkoppi - 2011-09-23 05:25

    Mr President... Could you then also give us a reason why your buddy Schaik is still out of prison... Or why you should not be found guilty of corruption... Or why Malema has not been found guilty yet of so many thing I do not even know where to start...

      V. Zela - 2011-09-23 07:15

      I like your comment "Or why you should not be found guilty of corruption..."

  • kilo39 - 2011-09-23 05:28

    In the New South Africa and it's fight against corruption, an extraordinary set of rules must apply to those in public office. To apply the same set of rules as would apply to the man in the street is childish folly, and puts us the tax paying 'povo' at huge risk. Once again a Zuma appointee appears to have been an epic fail. 'The fish rots from the head.' 'The sick cow must be removed from the heard.' 'A ripened tomato will not last.' Where to find a parable that this Regime will want to understand? Perhaps the answer lies in fear?

  • Deeteem - 2011-09-23 05:30

    Dear Mr "President", much to little, much to late !!

  • Verdade - 2011-09-23 05:32

    Yeah right, lets sit this one out...Take action and control your friends and cadres...Certainly not you Mr not my presitdent corrupt Zumatic!

  • grant9 - 2011-09-23 05:33

    Bottom line : If JZ was going to do anything he would have done it by now. Lets face it, we can't have old 783 calling the kettle black. I fear we are truely f*cked.

  • Jon JJ - 2011-09-23 06:03

    ...because I'm your comrade and I know things about you too.

  • leonard - 2011-09-23 06:04

    A question. How can Zuma be in discussions with Cele when he Zuma is never in the country.The time for discussion has passed,it is time for action.The thing is,how much more proof of wrongdoing is required?

  • Johnfpro - 2011-09-23 06:17

    This is ludicrous. Cele has been able to put his side of the story to the Public Protector who then prepared a report wherein, inter alia, he was found to have acted illegally. What more must Zuma investigate?

      Blikskottel - 2011-09-23 08:01

      Die liewe Vader alleen weet..

  • Kevin - 2011-09-23 06:20

    We do not want to Cele suspended for months at taxpayers expense. WE want justice and once found guilty a maximum sentence would be the least a corrupt government owes its people.Be a BIG boy shower head and make a decision. Its easy , ASK THE JULIUS and if he says you can susupend do it.However not sure he will hold your hand at the moment.

  • Danny - 2011-09-23 06:25

    Based on an impartial advocate's (Thuli Madonsela) report, Bheki Cele should be suspended without pay and charged. Zuma has basically given this man an opportunity to get off scot free. The amounts involved are astronomical. The modus operandi in government circles is to suspend with pay and the trial or commission of inquiry will take years to be finalised; look at the case of Selebi. Corrupt people in government are actually benefitting from being caught out!

  • braamc - 2011-09-23 06:37

    What a slapgat JZ is. Have a disciplinary hearing and fire the incompetent thieve.

  • Dizzle - 2011-09-23 07:06

    Crime stats are down - that's more than enough reason not to suspend him. Corruption is a sign that he is not being compensated for his hard work

      me - 2011-09-23 08:46

      are you actually being serious???? Dizzel? where do you come up with this rubbish he is one of the most corrupt poeple in south africa, craime stats are down because the miority group is becoming less and less so there arnt many of us left to kill

      Taurus 11 - 2011-09-23 10:26

      Dizzle you are completely stupid. Who issued the crime stats? Police Who did the hard work? NOT Cele. Corruption is a crime therefore Cele is a criminal.

  • Ozymandios - 2011-09-23 07:06

    "Ok Mr Cele why should I not suspend you?" "Well guv'nor I am such a good cop and the country needs me!" OK South Africa Cele gave me his reasons - and now you the SA citizen do not need to know his reasosn they are good enough for me. So Cele is still your police chief - get it? I have made my decision.

      J - 2011-09-23 11:30

      What a joke democracy is in this country... And the world believes the ANC. Go figure

  • Man can do - 2011-09-23 07:07

    What poor country will he become ambassador of?

  • jakethepeg - 2011-09-23 07:19

    Tell me Mr Turkey, how will you be voting for Christmas this year?

  • Tc - 2011-09-23 07:21

    In the ANC's own words: "we do this just for the media!" Like with Malema's hearing, NOTHING will come of this.

      bingane - 2011-09-23 08:26

      Dude what have had for breakfast today? Malema is not serving in government. How this should sink in your miind

      Tc - 2011-09-23 08:36

      Bingane, I am trying to see logic in your comment. Maybe I am stupid; I hope not, because there is no place for me in the ANC.

  • nicn44 - 2011-09-23 07:23

    eish boss, all these zero's confused me, and it is so un-ANC to suspend without pay

      justice_seeker - 2011-09-23 07:35

      Well said

  • wv - 2011-09-23 07:35

    And this weekend they are having a party together, useless idiots.

      bingane - 2011-09-23 08:21

      You clearly can't separate between the work and politics and friendship. So what if they will be parting togther.

  • Alqualonde - 2011-09-23 07:39

    I'm baffled! The public protector has completed an enquiry and found he acted inappropriately. It would appear that there is disrespect being shown by Zuma for the Constituion of the Republic of South Africa as negotiated and put in place by Madiba.

  • Great White - 2011-09-23 07:45

    One corrupt criminal trying to preach morality to another corrupt criminal. A South African tragic comedy.

  • Blikskottel - 2011-09-23 07:58

    Zumsie, this man is a bad liability and not the right person for the job. Get rid of him and save yourself some trouble.

  • 2shy2call - 2011-09-23 08:03

    I know why you should not suspend him. He has not paid for bribery for two leases from shabangu. Maybe let him first get a better mini mani moe deal of a tender.

      bingane - 2011-09-23 08:18

      You are so wrong national commissioner has acted outside the law. by the way no one is above the law in SA.

      Tc - 2011-09-23 08:38

      Bingani, do you honestly believe your statement "no one is above the law in SA?"

  • bingane - 2011-09-23 08:14

    Mr Zuma thanks at last for for thinking outside the trabil lines. We wish you continue take our people seriuos

      Sparkling - 2011-09-23 08:56

      @bingane - I really hope that you don't work somewhere where people have to read anything you write. Don't just type whenever your brain has a fart. Try and think first, pause, write....

  • ofi - 2011-09-23 08:17

    just like they say it took 3months for Titanic to sink so let us be patient all. Zuma is applying his mind...LMFAO

  • Deset Rat - 2011-09-23 08:17

    When we get told JZ is applying his mind, the citizenry need to become very worried. Look what happened when he applied his mind to the appointment of Chief Justice!

  • Nipcat - 2011-09-23 08:45

    Its like asking a guilty man if he did it or not?

  • mosali - 2011-09-23 08:55

    why - so that we can waste more of the tax payers money? why appoint a public protector to investigate these matters - Mr President - if you don't like the outcome of her mandate why did you appoint her in the first place or did you think that she would sanction the continual cover up

  • charliewoo - 2011-09-23 09:00

    Zuma better watch out he might have a coup d'etat on his hands if he upsets his General

  • LVP NC - 2011-09-23 09:06

    That's right suspend him on full pay so that he can ride the gravy train...Just fire the bast#!d!

  • stofsuier - 2011-09-23 09:12

    Who the hell is in charge here ?????????

  • UkNowHowWeDo - 2011-09-23 09:14

    Our president needs to grow a pair. Seriously.

  • burtfred - 2011-09-23 09:17

    If Zuma is "applying his mind", a decision shouldn't take very long. Not much to apply.

  • fussed - 2011-09-23 09:18

    Another suspention that WILL go on until he goes on pention. Charges dropped and a full pension and all perks for the rest of his sh@ity life and we will pay for this

  • SakzenMa2fas - 2011-09-23 09:30

    Its like you guys did not even read the FIRST sentence it says " President Jacob Zuma has asked police chief Bheki Cele to give him reasons why he should not be suspended PENDING the outcome of the inquiry into two controversial police leases" You cannot fire someone without a DC hearing. Only after the outcome of the inquiry can he be fired etc.

      Kenno - 2011-09-23 10:02

      How long does this idiot president need??? This has been dragging on for months. Stop defending the useless!

      Alqualonde - 2011-09-23 10:42

      I am afraid that the Public Protector has aklready conducted the hearing. Constituting an enquiry into the her findings is unconstitutional. The only way to challenge them is to apply to court to have the findings set aside.

  • Magezi - 2011-09-23 09:42

    Another delaying tactic! SA needs action to advance and restore our trust in this government. Intelligent people will have asked bheki this question immediately after the report so that the given responses are cross-referenced. Now we will have to wait another 60 days for this clown's response, another 60 days for jacob zuma to study the response and on and on it goes... It is pathetic really

      Kenno - 2011-09-23 10:04

      @ Andylux. " Cloud his decision" Madonsela has DONE THE WORK !!! What decision is required except to FIRE THAT MORON CELE !! Seriously andylux, just how stupid are you?

  • andylux - 2011-09-23 09:42

    Well done Msholozi, do not allow pressure to cloud your decision

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-23 09:46

    Nothing like putting the ball in Cele's court? Can't Mr Zuma come up with strategy to highlight the problems and solutions thereto, himself? Leader???!!!!!