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Zuma urged to condemn protest violence

2012-08-15 22:41

Cape town - President Jacob Zuma was urged on Wednesday to condemn violence during recent protests in Cape Town.

Western Cape Premier Helen Zille said she and Mayor Patricia de Lille had written to Zuma, in his capacity as president of the ANC, on the matter.

They asked him to publicly condemn the "ANC Youth League’s violent attempts to make the City of Cape Town ungovernable".

"Our letter to the president today follows the direct threats by the African National Congress Youth League in the Western Cape to 'make this city and the province ungovernable' and the subsequent sustained and co-ordinated campaign by the ANCYL over the last two weeks to incite violent protests in Cape Town," Zille told reporters at Parliament.

The protests had already resulted in four deaths, numerous serious injuries, the destruction of public property, and the violent disruption of an official community report-back meeting.

Zille said this was not the first time she had written to Zuma about the "seditious threats of prominent members of the ANCYL" in the province.

"In fact, we have been warning the president for over two years that the ANCYL in the Western Cape has spun dangerously out of control, and that he should act to defend the constitutional order and uphold the outcome of a democratic election in the Western Cape."

A recent service delivery report-back meeting by De Lille in Khayelitsha was violently broken up by a group of youths, some of whom were clearly wearing ANCYL berets.

CCTV footage of riots along the N2 showed how protests were centrally co-ordinated and controlled, with people using loud-hailers.

Zille said all the evidence, video tapes, and written threats had been given to police and it "is now up to them to investigate, identify the individuals responsible, lay the appropriate charges, and ensure cases succeed in court".

"During a [provincial] Cabinet briefing today [Wednesday] it became clear that there are elements within the ANC Youth League actively involved behind the violent events of the past week, and the State Security Agency and the South African Police Service were tasked with investigating this matter further. The matter is being taken seriously."

In the face of what the ANCYL had itself said and done over the past few weeks, its subsequent denial of any involvement "rings completely hollow", she said.

ANCYL regional secretary Mfuzo Zenzile has denied any members were involved in the protests on a political level.

Deputy International Relations Minister Marius Fransman, who is also Western Cape ANC chairperson, on Tuesday told a National Assembly sitting that the protests in the province were as a result of a "lack of service delivery".

He rejected allegations from the DA and the Congress of the People that it was part of an ANCYL attempt to make the city ungovernable.

"The reality is if there's protest action in other provinces, then they say there are service delivery problems. In the Western Cape there are service delivery problems," Fransman said.

Comments
  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-08-15 23:17

    zuma always does the opposite of what is normal....common sense should prevail here,does he have to be told to do what's obvious....it's a pity common sense cannot be bought,some people would benefit enormously

      husaberg.twostroke - 2012-08-16 00:09

      This zuma idiot is so stupid he WILL go and dance with these THUGS.

      jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-16 00:33

      The honourable thing that Hellen could do at this stage is to resign instead, I urge the Central Government to take over that province urgently before it turns into a Syria, because it lacks leadership.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-08-16 01:35

      @Jackie ~ Eish, you sure had a bowl of stupid for supper!

      mihaip007 - 2012-08-16 01:46

      zuma condemns violence in a place I can't even spell or even bother to remember because onternationally is so insignificant, yet here citizens of SA die due to ancyl threats - zim politics at its's best I tell u

      grant.hide - 2012-08-16 04:12

      @Jacki, Northland College principal John Tapene has offered the following words from a judge who regularly deals with youth. "Always we hear the cry from teenager, 'what can we do, where can we go?' "My answer is this: Go Home, mow the lawn, wash the windows, learn to cook, build a raft, get a job, visit the sick, study your lessons and after you've finished, read a book. Your town does not owe you recreational facilities and your parents do not owe you fun. "The World does not owe you a living, you owe the world something. You owe it your time, energy and talent so that no one will be at war, in sickness and lonely again. In other words grow up, stop being a cry baby, get out of your dream world and develop a backbone not a wishbone. Start behaving like a responsable person. You are important and you are needed. It's too late to sit around and wait for somebody to do something someday. Someday is now and that somebody is you!"

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-16 08:53

      @jackie.stone.501 You who is so clever with your northern ALL BLACK 25 friends from "Kiss my Ass" secondary school is an expert on what is really happening in the Western Cape? This is a comments forum used for many reasons, but do not believe that the repeated post of the same comment will make it more valid. Or is your education such that you do not know how to use the internet? Did the "non of your business" university not teach that ballots are the democratic way of "taking a province over", or is it your violent ANCYL leanings that are now coming to the fore?

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-16 08:55

      @jackie.stone.501 I posted the same comment 4 times, so that slow readers such as you may take it in.

      nrgx.nrg - 2012-08-16 10:14

      zuma:"what protest?"

  • mastersvoice - 2012-08-15 23:28

    The DA have put Zuma on the spot! He's really damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. He must choose between his old foe and not-so-old foe (DA and ANCYL)! As the President of this country, threats to destabilize any form of government from anywhere should not be disregarded - but he is not really in it for South Africa's benefit, but rather his own. Should he climb into the ANCYL in the Western Cape, he stands a good chance to be removed as ANC President at the conference, as he will lose face with the right-wingers in the ANC. He cannot side with the ANCYL, because he will demonstrate his own lack of respect for this country's democracy (which is what the ANC was all about in the Apartheid years). His best bet will be to get someone else to do his dirty work for him again. He's a pathetic President, but a great politician!

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-16 06:25

      Mr Zuma if you care about your people it is time for you to stand up and condemn this violence. Is it because it is Cape Town that you don't wish to address this serious matter. The longer you deny it, or turn a blind eye, the worse it is going to get. Please stand up and be counted.

  • andre.love.98 - 2012-08-15 23:29

    Regardless of who the culprits are;any form of violence should be condemned. It doesn't take a bloody scientist to know that! Then again.... Oh how I wish i could be PRESIDENT of SOUTH AFRICA! lol And nogal a coloured too!

  • tommo.too - 2012-08-16 00:21

    This is really shocking. And it is what happens when a political party with absolutely no idea of how democracy works takes control. The ANC are thugs. They are hooligens and they are destroying our country.

      hendrik.verwoerd.94 - 2012-08-16 05:48

      Who are the ANC you are referring to? There are thugs in all parts of society

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 08:56

      What I dont get is - why is it regarded as treason if the boeremag plans to violently overthrow the National Governmnet - but not if the ANCYL tries to violently overthrow the Provincial Government ????

  • jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-16 00:31

    The honourable thing that Hellen could do at this stage is to resign instead, I urge the Central Government to take over that province urgently before it turns into a Syria, because it lacks leadership.

      elvethea.deuchar - 2012-08-16 03:02

      Are you Stoned

      grant.hide - 2012-08-16 04:11

      @ Jackie protestor, Northland College principal John Tapene has offered the following words from a judge who regularly deals with youth. "Always we hear the cry from teenager, 'what can we do, where can we go?' "My answer is this: Go Home, mow the lawn, wash the windows, learn to cook, build a raft, get a job, visit the sick, study your lessons and after you've finished, read a book. Your town does not owe you recreational facilities and your parents do not owe you fun. "The World does not owe you a living, you owe the world something. You owe it your time, energy and talent so that no one will be at war, in sickness and lonely again. In other words grow up, stop being a cry baby, get out of your dream world and develop a backbone not a wishbone. Start behaving like a responsable person. You are important and you are needed. It's too late to sit around and wait for somebody to do something someday. Someday is now and that somebody is you!"

      bibi.vanzyl - 2012-08-16 06:20

      @jackie: compare it to Limpopo, Eastern Cape, Free State and even Gauteng. It received a clean audit for the 3rd year running, more clinics have been built than any other prov, best matric results, the list goes on. Service delivery protests are the same as everywhere else - WC cannot stay ahead with the rural (Eastern Cape) and foreign people moving here in their 1000's every month.

      maureen.churchill.9 - 2012-08-16 06:33

      Never should Helen Zille resign, deflate that bag of hot air.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 08:03

      Stone please man, the ANC must win the Western Cape through the ballot, not by stealth. This is not Zimbabwe

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-16 08:53

      @jackie.stone.501 You who is so clever with your northern ALL BLACK 25 friends from "Kiss my Ass" secondary school is an expert on what is really happening in the Western Cape? This is a comments forum used for many reasons, but do not believe that the repeated post of the same comment will make it more valid. Or is your education such that you do not know how to use the internet? Did the "non of your business" university not teach that ballots are the democratic way of "taking a province over", or is it your violent ANCYL leanings that are now coming to the fore?

      peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-08-16 08:56

      @jackie, this must be a fake profile!!! Nobody can be this stupid!! Let me guess you are probably an ANCYL supporter who figured out how a computer worked?

  • jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-16 00:31

    The honourable thing that Hellen could do at this stage is to resign instead, I urge the Central Government to take over that province urgently before it turns into a Syria, because it lacks leadership.

      grant.hide - 2012-08-16 04:11

      Northland College principal John Tapene has offered the following words from a judge who regularly deals with youth. "Always we hear the cry from teenager, 'what can we do, where can we go?' "My answer is this: Go Home, mow the lawn, wash the windows, learn to cook, build a raft, get a job, visit the sick, study your lessons and after you've finished, read a book. Your town does not owe you recreational facilities and your parents do not owe you fun. "The World does not owe you a living, you owe the world something. You owe it your time, energy and talent so that no one will be at war, in sickness and lonely again. In other words grow up, stop being a cry baby, get out of your dream world and develop a backbone not a wishbone. Start behaving like a responsable person. You are important and you are needed. It's too late to sit around and wait for somebody to do something someday. Someday is now and that somebody is you!"

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-16 08:53

      @jackie.stone.501 You who is so clever with your northern ALL BLACK 25 friends from "Kiss my Ass" secondary school is an expert on what is really happening in the Western Cape? This is a comments forum used for many reasons, but do not believe that the repeated post of the same comment will make it more valid. Or is your education such that you do not know how to use the internet? Did the "non of your business" university not teach that ballots are the democratic way of "taking a province over", or is it your violent ANCYL leanings that are now coming to the fore?

  • jackie.stone.501 - 2012-08-16 00:33

    The honourable thing that Hellen could do at this stage is to resign instead, I urge the Central Government to take over that province urgently before it turns into a Syria, because it lacks leadership.

      hendrik.wilmot - 2012-08-16 01:06

      I dont know what you are smoking but it is affecting your mind... Hand it over to WHO???

      peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-16 02:27

      jackie.stone.501...............sounds like a service delivery protester's nickname.

      grant.hide - 2012-08-16 04:11

      Northland College principal John Tapene has offered the following words from a judge who regularly deals with youth. "Always we hear the cry from teenager, 'what can we do, where can we go?' "My answer is this: Go Home, mow the lawn, wash the windows, learn to cook, build a raft, get a job, visit the sick, study your lessons and after you've finished, read a book. Your town does not owe you recreational facilities and your parents do not owe you fun. "The World does not owe you a living, you owe the world something. You owe it your time, energy and talent so that no one will be at war, in sickness and lonely again. In other words grow up, stop being a cry baby, get out of your dream world and develop a backbone not a wishbone. Start behaving like a responsable person. You are important and you are needed. It's too late to sit around and wait for somebody to do something someday. Someday is now and that somebody is you!"

      tuzka - 2012-08-16 07:42

      Are you ok @jackie.stone.501? It is after all the 4th time you repeat the same bloody thing! Build a bridge and get over it already!!

      Desilusionada - 2012-08-16 08:54

      @jackie.stone.501 You who is so clever with your northern ALL BLACK 25 friends from "Kiss my Ass" secondary school is an expert on what is really happening in the Western Cape? This is a comments forum used for many reasons, but do not believe that the repeated post of the same comment will make it more valid. Or is your education such that you do not know how to use the internet? Did the "non of your business" university not teach that ballots are the democratic way of "taking a province over", or is it your violent ANCYL leanings that are now coming to the fore?

  • peter.fraser.92754 - 2012-08-16 02:30

    Zuma is far to busy seeing to his electric fences/guardposts and bunker at Zumaville incase a service delivery protest hits that metropolis to worry about the western Cape.

  • kaz.hse.7 - 2012-08-16 04:30

    Hang on, let me get one thing straight here. The ANCYL openly threatens to destabilize a democratically elected government institution. The violent protests occur and no-one seems to be even hinting at treason charges? Surely trying destabilize any section of government amounts to treason?

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-08-16 06:25

    That man does not have time to reflect on this issue. He is never in his office and has way too many wives keeping him busy. He hardly has an opinion on the day to day things that happen in SA. He is managed by his presidency anyway.

  • Vince.York - 2012-08-16 06:58

    How can he condemn what he has and is instigating?

  • koolHD - 2012-08-16 07:18

    Whites have failed us, blacks have failed us. Its time we had a coloured president. Someone who wouldn't take sides. Blacks

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 07:50

      I would have considered Trevor Manuel, but he has been steeped in greed and corruption too. Moreover, Coloured people have, alongside whites, indians and blacks been part of the problem. For instance, they colluded in the so-called Tricameral Parliament which was intended to still divide the people of SA. In that manner, they failed SA alongside the National Party. They are also very much a part of the ruling party. Think Trevor Fowler; Marius Fransman; Tiena Joemat Peterson, etc. Having said that, I will be interested to find out who you propose should take the saddle?

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 09:00

      Well - now that you have publicly declared that you are a racist - do you feel happier . . . ?

  • bless.boswell - 2012-08-16 07:23

    Ok so he condemns it, then what? Does that mean it will stop, or change in some way? No. It won't make any difference at all. Zuma is like a driver on a bus without any brakes ploughing down a mountainside. So here we are on the bus, thats destroying everything in our path. We can't go back and fix anything and we can't stop destroying everything we encounter. We need to get off this bus and get rid of the driver ...

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-08-16 07:57

    This is similar to the behavior that got the Boeremag guys into to trouble By trying to destabilize government they should be judged the same: Guilty of High treason

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 08:18

      No it's not. There are slight but significant differences: The ANCYL wants to DISTABILISE a democratically elected and therefore legitimate government in the Western Cape. Die Boeremag wanted to OVERTHROW a democratically elected and therefore legitimate government in SA, as well as MURDER EVERYONE ~Black, WhiteN Coloured and Indians they did not like.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 09:02

      @Temba.thwala - 4 people dead already - that doesn't count . . . ? Only difference perhaps that in the case of the boeremag no-one has died . . . . ?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 09:14

      Press the Boeremag killed one woman, and injured a few others. They had also vowed to commit indiscriminate murder on a very large scale. Who knows what would have happened had they not been caught?

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 09:38

      Sorry you are -right - they did kill one person and were caught - so stopping further destruction. But you do seem to try an explain away the deaths already caused by the ANCYL's actions . . . and similarly you do seem to try and legitimaise their actions. Tell me this - if they "need" to replace the best performing - democratically elected provincial government in the country - with what must it be replaced - and with what do they intend to replace the other - worse performing - provincial governmnets in the rest of the country ?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 09:45

      Press, please read and understand what I wrote. Once you have done so, please tell me where I seemed to justify the deaths. Secondly, I said the Western Cape Provoncial Government is democratically elected and therefore legitimate. Where did I say it must be removed (to justify the question you would like me to answer relating to the nature of government that must replace it?) I did not say the WC Government must be replaced. Therefore I'm not going to answer your second question because it is irrelevant and based of a deliberate misunderstanding of what I have written in simple English

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 10:13

      Re. the deaths - if your protest actions contain the risk to cause death - as it does (and did) in the case of the ANCYL "protests" - would you not regard it as "treason". You introduced the argument that treason goes with murder. Re the 2nd part that deals with intention to replace a democratically elected provincial governmnet - it was not an allegation - it was a question that deals with the logic behind what the ANCYL is doing and if that makes it "destabilisation" or "treason" - I asked you opinion on the rationale of what the ANCYL seems to be doing - you chose not to answer the question . . . why ?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 10:40

      if your protest actions contain the risk to cause death - as it does (and did) in the case of the ANCYL \protests\ - would you not regard it as \treason\? My response: NO! Such conduct is not intended to OVERTHROW, but to MAKE IT DIFFICULT for the government to govern. That is a crime of public violence. Secondly, to the extent that the deaths was attributable to either the intentional or negligent killing by the protesters, they can be charged for murder or culpable homicide. No, I did not introduce the argument that treason goes with murder. I said Die Boeremag`s intentions were to OVERTHROW the SA Government. To distinguish their conduct from that of the ANCYL hooligans, I added that they also vowed to commit murder. Regarding your last point, the ANCYL hooligans are damaging infrastructure, and have not, to the best of my knowledge, attacked or been shown to have the intention to attack any strategic structures which will have the effect of overthrowing the government. Die Boeremag had such plans, which were thwarted. If you believe what the ANCYL is doing is comparable to what Die Boeremag intended doing, you are entitled to your opinion. It is however, not supported by facts or even the law. If you want the ANCYL to be charged with treason, you will have to link their conduct to a clear intention to OVERTHROW the WC Provincial Government. Although I have no doubt they will be happier if they could overthrow the WC Government, I don't think destroying the infrastructure is, without more, tantamount to TREASON

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 11:17

      The ANCYL has already: * Publically declared their intention to make the WC ungovernable * Declared their intention to unseat Zille through an ongoing programme * Attacked the Police (a strategic institution)with petrol bombs * Caused the death of citizens through their actions * Destroyed social and public infrastructure * Transferred the (massive)social costs of their actions onto the community * Caused millions of rands of waistful expenditure to taxpayers. Making it "difficult to govern" . . . . you are assuming they will stop before they have "overthrown" the incumbent government - is the final outcome any different to what the Boeremang stupidly tried to do ?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 11:53

      Press, no, I don't assume anything.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-08-16 12:53

      Yes you are - you are assuming that they merely want to destabilize - and therefore it can in your view never become treason . . .

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-16 13:58

      Ok, if you insist. They have still not reached a stage where their conduct equals treason, or the DA`s lawyers would have advised the DA to lay charges of treason, don't you think? The law does not work on assumptions buddy, but on facts which must be substantiated with verifiable evidence.

  • bibi.vanzyl - 2012-08-16 08:42

    I have just watched a video of the student's protests at TUT. And heaven help us if those graduates are to become the new CEO's of the corporate world. In my day - and I had to work 2 jobs to pay for my fees - you went to varsity and you studied to the best of your ability. Never in a million years did you vandalise/burn private property - paid for by hardworking taxpayers. These days, you burn libraries and complain that you cannot read, you destroy municipal property and complain that you have no services - all in the name of our constitution and freedom. The jobless mobs should get of their buts, tidy their townships, keep the school kids occupied after school with soccer, help with homework, games. Help the elderly to get to the clinics/shops or whatever - you can even make a buck out of it. But it is far easier to blame whites/apartheid/Verwoerd/De Klerk/model C schools/DA/Zille than to take ownership of a problem.

      Tebz001 - 2012-08-16 10:16

      same people who keep destroying stuff that they are protesting for are lazy to even read,,i don't know why even write this comments,they won't read them.

  • aqueel.yasin - 2012-08-16 08:46

    This should be regarded as treason. Another means of trying to overthrow the government.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-08-16 08:52

    Does anyone seriously believe that Zuma, the president of the ANC, who so desperately wants to take control of the Western Cape, will do ANYTHING to assist the DA in any way? The ANC will use the national competencies of SAPS and the Military to undermine good governance in the Western Cape as much as possible. It is time that our President be elected by the whole nation, and not just a small clique. At present he is like a father who favours one of his children and neglects the rest. Our president should not be a member of any political party.

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-08-16 08:53

    Here is our president who watches all these protests and killings and says absolutely nothing. He has to be URGED to do something. What message does that give to the people. There is a conspiracy and he is right behind it. What other president ever sits back back and says nothing.....on in South Africa. Is this who we as people want the world to see. He travels all around the world trying to sort out problems that is none of his business yet he wont speak up in his own country, he has to be URGED.....come on......this is not on people are getting killed who sits back and says nothing....we are not barbarians

  • peter.jefferies.90 - 2012-08-16 08:58

    I just can't believe the amount of stupid in the ANCYL league!!! I am surprised that these guys have made to this age, I would have thought they would have forgotten how to breath long ago! What are they going to achieve through this other then bring harm to the people in the area. How much more blood does the ANCYL want on their hands?

  • francois.crous.54 - 2012-08-16 09:23

    and fukk you too news24... remove comments that speak the truth, you lot are no better than these fools running this country into the ground.

  • rashied.bux - 2012-08-16 23:55

    we coloureds are only black when its time to vote once our votes are taken and they benefit then we no longer black, then we must stand back, how long are we going to be missed used like this by the opposite race , its time we make a stand because everything here is only for the blacks even the damn soil we stand on, now you tell me where do we come from, some people dont realise that the only true dwellers of south africa are the coloured, and our ancetors were here before jan van rebeick came to land here before the black population came to land here, they cam and got us here as sheep and goat farmers , now ask yourself a question whos land is it really.

  • pisciotta - 2012-08-17 03:29

    I simply love these stock photos of Melon Head. Melon in the spring, Melon in the summer, Melon in the fall, Melon in the winter - always a shiny melon. Thump, Thump. Oh shame it turned.

  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-08-27 14:44

    It is well known that the western cape is the BEST run area in the entire RSA, Jealousy is rearing it's ugly head in the form of the so-called youth. They must deal with things pertaining to YOUTH such as keeping parks safe, encouraging youth with sport etc.etc. instead of USING them for their own ends by inciting violence.

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