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Zuma warns his detractors

2012-01-21 23:11

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma warned his detractors that they would have no future in the ANC if they were ill-disciplined, according to reports.

Zuma, who was addressing the provincial African National Congress centenary celebrations in East London on Saturday, also took a swipe at those "who defend wrongdoing" within the party, the Sunday Times reported.

"We must reach a point where discipline is exercised irrespective of the position you hold... this thing must end where if one comrade is doing wrong things, there are comrades who defend him," Zuma was quoted as saying.

This came a week after ANC treasurer Mathews Phosa broke ranks on the ANC Youth League's disciplinary issues while addressing a centenary rally in Sekhukhune.

He said the ANC was "no dustbin for comrades"

According to the report Zuma said discipline was central to the ruling party's growth.

"Let's not destroy this organisation of [John] Dube, [Oliver] Tambo and [Nelson] Mandela, you can't be bigger than them."

He warned that those who did not understand the ANC would soon find themselves outside the party, the Sunday Times reported.

Comments
  • Gollum - 2012-01-21 23:26

    Zuma took a swipe at those "who defend wrongdoing" Wow from someone who did everything to make sure he didn't face fraud, corruption and racketeering charges in court. Bad discipline...bad. Corruption...meh.

      wbschorn - 2012-01-22 07:15

      Gonna mis the scorpions hey Zuma? hehehe

      John - 2012-01-22 11:11

      @ lEONARD..... Cope tried that.... and what a mess that turned out out..

      Phill - 2012-01-22 14:30

      You are right Gollum. The buy must be smoking something we do not know. When he sobers up he will know good is bad and bad is good, that is the gospel according to Zuma

      J-Man - 2012-01-23 08:22

      Exactly. and "According to the report Zuma said discipline was central to the ruling party's growth."...well...good luck with that.

      Shaun - 2012-01-23 12:14

      I agree, consider the flipide. Zuma loses control to his detractors and Malema supporters, even more scary. Maybe better the devil you than you don't know

      John - 2012-01-23 19:24

      Malema, Jesus loves you, Malema, Your mother loves you, Malema, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say all that? Lets have a look: Malema is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Negligent - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has stolen the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

      John - 2012-01-23 19:37

      Zuzuma Jesus loves you, Zuzuma, Your mother loves you, Zuzuma, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say that? Lets have a look: Zuma is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Negligent - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has stolen the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

      John - 2012-01-23 19:38

      “ The Gang of Four Chinese Communist Party members came to power during the Cultural Revolution (1966–76), and were charged with a series of treasonous crimes. The gang consisted of Jiang Qing, Mao Zedong's last wife as the leading figure of the group, and her close associates Zhang Chunqiao, Yao Wenyuan, and Wang Hongwen. In 1980, the trials of the Gang of Four began. Among the prosecution’s charge of actual crimes were the usurpation of state power and party leadership; the persecution of some 750,000 people, 34,375 of whom died during the period 1966-76. It was at this trial that Jiang Qing made the famous quote: "I was Chairman Mao's dog. I bit whomever he asked me to bite." Jiang Qing was sentenced to death in 1981. “ Source Wikipidia. I was inspired to write a song commemorating the death of such evil people: Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Mao Tse Tsung! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs of Jiang Qing! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss! Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs, Shoot the dogs Gang of Four! Auss! Auss, Auss! Auss! Auss Auss!

  • Mboneni - 2012-01-21 23:35

    Jacob zuma was defended when he had corrupt relationship with shaik and he was also defended when he said shower protect against aids and nobody was disciplined for that

      Marcell - 2012-01-22 00:54

      Pierre, and you will always be what you are.

      Nhlamulo - 2012-01-22 01:03

      No matter how good you are...

      rlong1952 - 2012-01-22 01:37

      Pierre get a life,just because you are like that doesn't mean we are...

      Ben - 2012-01-22 06:41

      Pierre, please speak for yourself. I, for one, do not share your views. It is what is inside a person that counts. I have many good friends of all cultures and have seen the good and the bad in all of them. The same can be said of political parties and as this is a multi-coloured society I appreciate comments from all the people who have ideas to make our country a better place to live in.

      Gerhard - 2012-01-22 08:34

      It looks like Pierre has got an identity neurosis.

      Pierre - 2012-01-22 08:42

      @ Ben S: I do speak for myself and you are quite welcome to your views. I actually agree with you, but then I did say “not all whites are the same” and what you said just confirmed that. Just curious if what you said is true why did you not respond to any of the many other obviously racist and obnoxious comments? Why stay silent when your friend’s cultures are being insulted, but when whites are confronted have the urge to speak up? If one doesn’t see anybody else speak up one gets the impression there is no dissent from the norm and everybody is of the same mindset (which is pretty bad judging from the comments).

      Jacqui - 2012-01-22 10:53

      Pierre, you are not speaking for me. I have earned the right to speak my mind. So lump it.

      Ben - 2012-01-22 10:58

      Pierre, I do not want to take over and try to limit my comments. In my opinion there are two groups of people in S.A. The one group is very small. They want to destroy our country for their own benefit. The other group want what is best for the future of all the people who were born here and are not prepared to leave. I belong to the second group.

      Mike - 2012-01-22 12:20

      @ Pier - for one I do not fly the Transvaal Flag on my Facebook Page.... and than talk about racism...

      Pierre - 2012-01-23 09:18

      I removed my reply comment as after reading it again I thought it might have the wrong interpretation that people of colour will not be accepted in prominent positions. It is actually only a minority of people that keep pointing to BEE for their own failures; the majority of people except any person that can do the job.

  • Adam - 2012-01-21 23:39

    This reminds me of the pot calling the kettle black.

      Pierre - 2012-01-22 09:25

      Well beige is not really black, and your Apartheids pot is pretty black, charcoal black I would say.

      Pierre - 2012-01-22 12:39

      @ Jerhone: O and no I am not gay. But personally I do not categorise people; I don't ask or tell not because I think people should hide, but because I don’t care what somebody’s sexual orientation is, as it is completely irrelevant. I know many comments are sarcastic even very acerbic including mine, but sexual harassment is actually a crime. You don’t even try to argue the point, but immediately start with your sexual obsessions. It is as if you don't have the ability to come up with even a half decent argument. However while you might think you are very funny, you will pull gay people down with your behaviour. It’s a pity not more people report your comments for abuse as you are letting a lot of people down. Not that you care in the least I am sure. You sound like one of those that only think of themselves that think the world is there for them.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-01-22 15:51

      piere....You are not a nice person!

      Jerhone - 2012-01-22 18:52

      to Pierre it can't be classed as sexual harrasment because you are just a name on facebook nothing more, there could be 10000000 Pierre's, now if you had info about yourself then i would be insulting a certain person, someone with b*lls to stand by the drivle he writes, so come on girlfriend man up, stop hidding behind a faceless mask, lets see how young and imature you really are, it's easy to write crap when no one knows who you are,

      Merven - 2012-01-23 08:03

      So Pierre, what's with the O'l Transvaal flag on your facebook profile? You are just another racist idiot that wants to spread discontent between races by stirring. Maybe you should invite a couple of workers of another race, buy them some beers, have some fun, afterwards have a nice nap...

  • Gollum - 2012-01-21 23:39

    Phosa said the ANC WAS "no dustbin for comrades" In fact he said "the ANC HAS no dustbin for comrades" While I find the find the 1st statement less believable than the second one it's regretful the ANC has no dustbin for comrades. Winnie, Malema, Selebi and the Shaiks would be less likely to find themselves in it than the public protector and AG

      Adam - 2012-01-21 23:44

      They dont need a dustbin, a dumpster may be better suited.

      Albert - 2012-01-22 07:36

      Limpopo is the dustbin

  • Max - 2012-01-22 00:01

    But Zuma this is exactly what you did with the plane story, you are the comrade that did something wrong and your other comrades defended you...not very clever to say the least.

      Eddy Maduna - 2012-01-22 05:49

      The truth is that discipline is defined differently by comrades in the ANC. It will always be a challenge when they have to exercise it because there is no common definition for wrong-doing nor the very term od discipline.

  • Michele - 2012-01-22 00:08

    Lead by example and TAKE ACTION against wrong doing then maybe I will believe you.

  • bendigo.icerinknew - 2012-01-22 00:11

    Sounds like a dictator.

      raath - 2012-01-23 07:02

      Without the "tator"

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-01-22 00:40

    Squander millions of tax payers money on glorified trips. Then point fingers at others. How do you sleep at night. While thousand are cold and starving.

      Sinudeity - 2012-01-22 03:05

      "How do you sleep at night. While thousand are cold and starving." On a pile of money with lots of wives.

      pekpsbotha - 2012-01-22 09:15

      Such a TRUE statement!!Agree with you 101%!!!:)

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-22 12:48

      Anyone whose sense of identity is based on flags sends shivers down my spine.

      Garth - 2012-01-22 13:45

      mthuthuzeli did you actually read what you posted? Right alongside your `flag'. If they are `shivers' of pleasure then you are stating something irrelevant because it is out of context. If not, then you have to be an anc ignorant - because hypocrisy is an anc strong-point.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-22 23:00

      Garth, you are just anti ANC and that is fine, but perhaps shouldn't judge me based on your own predudice.

      raath - 2012-01-23 07:36

      @mthuthuzeli "but perhaps shouldn't judge me based on your own predudice" Wasn't that exactly what you were doing with the flag statement?

      Merven - 2012-01-23 08:05

      Lol Mthuhuzeli, rich coming from a person whose identity is based on a poster!

  • Craig - 2012-01-22 01:25

    We should all strive to be better than Dube, Thambo and Mandela. Although theirs is a mighty legacy to follow, the ANC has always evolved and improved itself. What we are witnessing now is an organization which is at a crossroads with itself. It sprouts a revolutionary message while facing temptation from many corners. We need to ask ourselves the question " Would we be able to resist the temptation of corruption after being confined to marginilisation due to Apartheid?" No excuse, but we are all subject to corruption of some form or other be it montery or moral. Wag en sien. Alles sal reg kom in die einde.

      Merven - 2012-01-23 08:06

      So I must start planting bombs?

  • Roland - 2012-01-22 01:39

    "...got SUM soap...". Then again, our honourable Prezzie speaks on THREE PLANES, so who am I to question the 'sum of the soap'... Just a little confused...literally (leterlik), I have been drinking but read the article 4x, and unless you're referring to another article or something that was on the news, I don't know where your above comment fits in (re: the article). No fan of the govt/anc or any of them, but am an historian/history teacher, so like facts!!!!

      Roland - 2012-01-22 01:41

      P.s. jammer die kommentaar was vir spyker_may...

  • dan8472 - 2012-01-22 01:42

    We must reach a point where discipline is exercised irrespective of the position you hold... Really Zum-zum? if that's the case then you should be in jail now on rape and corruption convictions.

  • lotterg - 2012-01-22 01:51

    Less talk and more action please, rather let the actions speak for themselves..

  • Bhekameva - 2012-01-22 03:40

    I think now is the time to talk about compensation for apartheid brutalities to the blacks, and the regulation of the foreign nationals.RSA cannot be colonized by the Dutch, English, Boers and now by the foreign nationals.After all its our Land

      Pierre - 2012-01-22 04:32

      There is a point for compensation, but Xenophobia is not good.

      Sannie - 2012-01-22 05:22

      They keep on provoking the majority masses of the land.

      Dave - 2012-01-22 06:10

      If you are not Koi-San then you are also desended from people that "Colonized" this country of our, so are you going to leave ?, I think not.

      Pieter Olivier - 2012-01-22 06:10

      Cool, we'll pay compensation and send you a bill for the ideas and blueprints we leave behind when we all leave

      Max - 2012-01-22 06:43

      From your comment I get the feeling that you are not the sharpest pencil in the packet but then again evolution takes a while. The Boers as you call them have a longer history in this country than most black people currently living here. This statement obviously excludes the Koi, San and other people that already lived here when the Portuguese, French, Dutch and other people arrived. You my friend is as much part of the term colonizer in this country as any Boer so get over it. Your statement "After all its our Land" clearly explains that you are a part of the current black entitlement problem in the country. The only thing in this country that is yours is that what you own by working for it, that is how a modern capitalist system works. The alternative is socialism where you own nothing, not even the shack you live in. Start thinking for yourself before it is to late. Compensation for apartheid atrocities towards individuals who lost land etc. already took place and in my opinion these victims and their families received far less compensation than they deserved but then again the compensation was decided by the current ANC government so don't blame the Boers blame your beloved ANC.

      Max - 2012-01-22 06:54

      @Sannie, the only one that is keeping on provoking the masses in the land is the ANC with it's racist rhetoric to keep the black entitlement lie alive. Next time when you buy food try and tell the checkout person that you as part of the South African population owns the great soccer stadiums and infrastructure of the country and that you are actually rich, he/she will laugh at you because they want money for the food, to be more specific your money that you earned by working for it. Stop believing this socialist crap that is being fed to you.

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-22 08:05

      @ Bhekameva, what is that you want to compensated for? Haven't you heard? The politicians and the politically connected are busy compensating themselves. These so-called colonisers built this country from the scratch to be modern as it is with the country's resources. I may lament what was built in Europe but what is built here SA is ours as well. Although you raised some important points you never mentioned China is a threat than our previous colonisers. @ Max, you must not take advantage of African's oral tradition as nothing was written down in Africa until Europeans came and wrote their own perspective of our history. Most Africans cannot even trace their ancestors to 18th if not 19th century but Europeans and European descendents do have that documented history. If you are to believe that all blacks in SA excluding the Khoi are from central Africa then you are not a realist then you have to consider that our borders were not as they are today in post-colonial era.

      Afrikaner - 2012-01-22 08:46

      Hey you prick Bhekameva ,You are the foreigner.I suggest you rather take up History(the Real History) and not those rewritten by the ANC and study very hard at UJ.As for Compensation,sure you need to get a few whacks against the head as well,seeing as you were not born yet during the aparheid era.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-22 10:16

      to BHEKAMEVA Who are you going to ask for compensation? you will have to start with the British first, oops they've got no money left, spent it all supporting lazy arses on the dole for decades, South Africa? oops the government spent it all on mismanagement and theft, the expats? they will show you the middle finger, what about the black brutalities to the over 3000 farmers who were slaughtered? who will compensate their families?

      Jacqui - 2012-01-22 10:56

      Oh heavens, here we go again.

      Max - 2012-01-22 12:54

      Tshivhombela, I am not talking about central Africa I am talking about the ownership of South Africa. The point is even if all the land belonged to the black collective historically, what will you as an individual gain today when the land is given back to the black collective? Whe are not nomads anymore.

      SarelJBotha - 2012-01-22 12:55

      Proof that blacks owned all the land or even significant protions of it.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-22 12:58

      @Max You can construct a history where Mapungubwe was produced by some mysterious, ancient White race that has dissapeared off the face of the earth (apartheid history), or you can construct a history where they were produced by the Bantu culture living in that area (real history). You sir have used a distorted arguments for propaganda purposes to "prove" what you want to believe. By the way sir, Africa is for Africans and the artificial borders are a European construct.

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-22 13:38

      @ Max, I am not talking about land ownership here. I wouldn't mind whether a farmer is black or white, if he produces and pays his employees decent salaries i wouldn't complain. My concern here is your deception and distorted information that you call history, your utterances resemble those of Columbus, Da Gama and Diaz who claimed to have discovered many occupied countries because their stories were recorded. We must find a way forward without distorting each other's history.

      Travis - 2012-01-22 13:58

      I hate quoting but thought it was appropriate for Bhekameva, since one of the most famous political black persons said it. "We must learn to live together as brothers, or we will perish together as fools" - Martin Luther King

      Travis - 2012-01-22 14:03

      Another one "The weak can never forgive, forgiveness is an attribute of the strong" - Mohatma Ghandi In fact these are all pretty appropriate for this narrow minded character(Bhekamevu) http://9gag.com/gag/1982800

      Garth - 2012-01-22 14:03

      Bhekameva is an ignorant anc troll. Mthuthuzeli you seem intelligent so should be able to discern truth from the propaganda of the victor: nat or anc. It is common scientific thought that the `bushmen' are the original inhabitants of this part of Africa; the first evolved Homo sapiens in this area, with anthropological records dating them back to 50,000 years. The larger, stronger, blacker inhabitants of this land migrated south over the preceding 18,000 years - so in this part of Africa are settlers. Whether the current inhabitants, those that do not belong to the `bushman' branch of peoples, arrived by boat or per foot(your ancestors had no wheel) makes little difference - we are all settlers. The colour of your skin does not make you an African. Because then all the `blacks and browns' indigenous to other parts of the world(Polynesians for example) would all be Africans. Not so? So get over it already you racist anc ignorant, we are here to stay!

      Jerhone - 2012-01-22 21:01

      TO SANNIE And your ANC keep stealing from the majority masses of the land you dumba*se ZOMBIE go work for what you want stop buying cell phones fancy watches and designer clothes and smart cars just to get laid, go trade all that crap in and start paying off a house like whites had to, then you don't have to live in a shack

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-22 22:57

      @Tshivhombela Fhatuwani Yoy've reminded of a story about a teacher that tells of how he sometimes starts a new class. He goes over to a girl sitting in the front row, and takes her purse. She says: “You took my purse!” Max responds: “No, I discovered it.”

      Max - 2012-01-22 23:39

      @Mthuthuzeli, please explain to me how you as an individual will benefit if we all agree that South Africa as we know it today was fully occupied by black Africans when the colonialists arrived in South Africa. In my opinion it doesn't matter any more because either way you as an individual will not benefit from the history. It is not about black and white any more and who owned what historically, it is about you as an individual and your ability to provide for yourself in a modern day economy. My family owned allot of land in this country but it was sold four or five generations ago, how is this historic fact benefiting me as an individual today? It is not and only serves the purpose of making me think of what could have been if I had inherited the farms etc, now if I get stuck with this idea of what could have been, I will not be able to move forward and do something for myself. I would really like to hear your opinion on this one.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-23 00:12

      Max you are right. Why is important to you and your friends to deny Africans a historical existance in Southern Africa. How does this line of argument strengthens your point. Why is it important to you to raise this falsehood. How do you gain from perpetrating this line of argument. You also seem smart but instead of engaging in constructive critisism you revert to slating Africans in general, the same Africans that you wish to have an alliance with, in regards as domestic politics are concerned. Why are you guys shooting yourselves in the foot? ( you are fond of telling Africans that they are cutting their noses to spite their face)

  • Utopian - 2012-01-22 07:18

    The President said "they will have no future in the ANC if they defend wrongdoing". Then how do you defend your triple-plane flights to those South Africans who are scavenging for food in other people's dustbins, sir? And how do you defend it to schoolchildren who are squashed 40 in a class with no handbooks because there's no money?

  • Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-22 07:32

    People who live in a glass house don't through stones. You were simply elevated to presidency because they know you wouldn't say much when they loot as you have a dark cloud over your head. On your way to presidency you trampled on many people, many lost their jobs for supporting Mbeki or deserting the ANC. Where were you when Malema insulted Mbeki and his supporters? You sound more like a man who just wants to retain power but not to discipline corrupt and ill-discipline members. I would be very glad if you want to take that solid step as everything has been said without action. Taking a solid step would need a lot of sacrifice including opening wounds of the past wounds and I am sure you wouldn't like to take that route. There has never been any punitive measure against corruption and nepotism but you are not too late to pull the strings. A good leader vows to lose power doing what is right than to follow the tracks of herd behaviour and lose power with a tail between his legs.

  • francoisvdmerwe - 2012-01-22 07:34

    much respect zuma

      Jerhone - 2012-01-23 08:16

      @ franscois vd (vernerial disease) another faceless wonder ANC zombie on facebook

  • Robsschele - 2012-01-22 08:07

    Like all these MEC's that always go to court to support the comrades. Maybe they are hoping for support too should they be caught out.

  • Larry - 2012-01-22 08:07

    Malema defended Zuma's wrongdoing's and now he and his supporters must be punished by Zuma?? Something wrong here?

  • Gavin - 2012-01-22 08:13

    Problem is that "presidence has been set", you can get away with it. Unfortunately you need a leader who is consistent, will not accept it and the necessary 'Disciplnary Action' is instituted immediately. The ANC in general is nothing but hot air!

  • ISO - 2012-01-22 08:27

    Even more shocking thou is that high profile so called leaders are defending these ill-diciplined comrads - just comes to show that they dont deserve the title "leaders". ANC you are destroying this country!

  • mnganduna - 2012-01-22 08:41

    The REAL reason to make ZUMA go is the fact that he can't rule this Country, he has No vision for the World, No vision for Africa and No vision for South Africa. Look at what he is doing with his family members around Africa! They support Killers, Dictators... as long as he gets money and illegal business deals from some of these poorest Countries instead of him striving for good governance so that Africa can move forward against the will of the WESTERN COUNTRIES THABO MBEKI was right not wanting him lead this Country!

  • Afrikaner - 2012-01-22 08:41

    Begin with yourself,Zuma.

  • Nicholas - 2012-01-22 09:06

    Is anyone else concerned about how most of the action being taken against dissidents isn't because they're creating a negative impact on the country, but rather because they're not falling in line with the ANC's views? "If you're not with us, you're against us"...

  • Themba Mbuyisa - 2012-01-22 09:23

    Gutter journalism. He was talking about discipline in the party, as he has on a number of occassions. Why jump to the conclussion he was warning his detractors? If this was an opinion piece i would understand, but to print it as fact is a lie.

      Jacqui - 2012-01-22 10:59

      What discipline?. Surely you are not going to tell me Zuma is an example to follow?.

      Themba Mbuyisa - 2012-01-22 11:29

      Why can't he as the leader of the ANC talk about discipline in your opinion? Has he broken any ANC rules or regulations you know about? When you read the article, did you see a reference by Zuma to "those who are against him"? He's talking about discipline in the ANC, which he and many others have spoken off on a number of occassions, i don't think they've had a rally or conference where the issue wasn't raised. Printing it as a warning to those who are against his 2nd term when he never said that is a blatant lie. If ANC members have issues with his standing in the ANC, it's for them to question why he's talking about discipline when he's not disciplined.

  • AGvanderWesthuizen - 2012-01-22 09:54

    Yes, yes .... we have heard this all before! What's new???

  • Godfrey Maake - 2012-01-22 10:28

    One has to be able to discipline himself first in order to discipline others....

  • Godfrey Maake - 2012-01-22 10:29

    One has to be able to discipline himself first in order to discipline others....

  • Trevor - 2012-01-22 10:45

    Jacob Zuma became President of SA during a rape trial, then corruption all of which was dropped to make him President. Since then, tell me, what has this "man" done that has had ANY positive effect on SA,in fact he has done the TOTAL opposite and continues to do so. He loves his speeches, but what he practises is another thing. He's just a puppet pulling a paycheck and he has never run SA, his financial backers have been pulling the strings in the background and who can blame him, a man with so many wives and children, how else would he do this.Julius backed him because he belived Zuma would give his people what they wanted, he was a poor mans man, dancing in hides and tekkies, singing about his guns/struggle so they MUST get the land and support through Zuma.Mbeki was a businessman,he went for international backing through big business, he knew SA needed long term investements which meant going OUT there and getting it,showing the World that yes, SA is now under the control of a "black government" but, it would be the FIRST country in Africa to succeed, it would be the benchmark for Africa. The "white man" had setup an economy/infrastructure that was the powerhouse of Africa, we had nuclear weapons/technology,some of the biggest mines in the world,agriculture/education system second to none..etc..we must succeed,but we not and it's due to people Like Jacob Zuma and Julius Malema...this has nothing to do with race,more self enrichment & a "YOU OWE ME" culture.JZ is bad for SA

  • Jacqui - 2012-01-22 10:50

    Those who do not understand the ANC?. What is there to understand?. Corruption and incompetence need no explaining, they speak for themself.

  • Henri James Christie - 2012-01-22 11:28

    What exactly is a comrade???

      SeeVeeDeeEl - 2012-01-22 16:33

      A skelm.

      Jerhone - 2012-01-22 20:51

      a ZOMBIE

  • lister.seepe - 2012-01-22 12:10

    this people are contradicting themself or r they confused maybe?or they think they too clever?im saying this coz they just criticised phoza recently for the remarks he made by saying party politics must be resolved and debated within the party structures.y now do go to the public and say things like that that some people must no that they might hav no future in the party?

  • Tony - 2012-01-22 12:38

    Tell you what I find amusing is that the ANC are factionalized, that is evident by Zumas own admission, but the ANC supporters will vote ANC no matter which Faction is in vogue... This speaks volumes of the IQ and EQ of the ANC and the general voter - not so?

      Tshivhombela Fhatuwani - 2012-01-22 12:44

      They really need your voters education so that they should know their rights as voters.

      Mindlo Mandla - 2012-01-23 06:51

      The white majority voted a murderous and corrupt government and kept it in power for 48 years. Suddenly when the black majority are keeping a government they voted into power they are accused of low IQ and sheepish tendencies. Amazing indeed. White people should be reminded that no amount of insults will lead the black majority to voting into power a white supremacist party as white people wish. Think again. If you have the level of IQ and objectivity you claim to possess you should have known that Apartheid was an evil and a crime. Funny how you have suddenly and conveniently forgotten.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-23 07:46

      Mandla, look up the word psychopathy in wikipedia!

      barry.mcbride - 2012-01-23 09:32

      @Mindlo Mandla: “White majority” or majority of whites? There’s a difference btw, but I guess you’ll need to think a little.

  • KCorsar - 2012-01-22 14:19

    Yeah big words, so lets see some real action behind them. Fire those Ministers that havent performed, as you promised a while back, go further and prosecute ALL that have stolen from the tax payers. Fire the Limpopo local government and prosecute them, sieze assets. Stop wasting our money investigating and take decisive action, stop talking about it. Stop making cadre driven appointments and place experienced and qualified management into office

  • Phill - 2012-01-22 14:27

    How soon things change? since when did Zuma knew what discipline means? Was the ANC disciplined when it removed a sitting president from power to pave way for Zuma to the presidency? Was the ANCYL disciplined when it insulted Mbeki and all the adults ANC menbers who voted for Mbeki? Where was discipline when every singlle person was insulted by Malema? Npow the chivkens have come home to roost. You deserve all these!

  • Alva - 2012-01-22 15:25

    How about, "We must reach a point where honesty and not corruption is exercised irrespective of the position you hold... ?

  • klay.martens - 2012-01-22 17:05

    Is this a case of the pot calling the kettle.... Oh wait, we are not allowed to say that, are we?

  • Zebelon - 2012-01-22 17:22

    What about the call in KZN to stand with Mabuyakhulu in the corruption case relating to a contract on water purification - what was Zuma's reaction?

  • idille.borchers - 2012-01-22 18:07

    The ANC of Dube, Tambo and Mandela has already been destroyed by Zuma and his cohorts. But all is not lost. When I read posts by some of the up and coming intelligent and educated young black people I see hope for the future of this country. The rainbow nation may yet become a reality. Good will prevail over evil.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2012-01-23 00:04

      How about the posts by some down an going unintelligent an uneducated old white people?

      Heiku - 2012-01-23 16:41

      Mthu: Old people die :)

  • Sinudeity - 2012-01-22 18:44

    Suck my b@lls jacob.

  • Mfosi - 2012-01-23 10:12

    Wow elpresidente has a voice?!!!!

  • Rainbow - 2012-01-23 12:02

    He warned that those who did not understand the ANC would soon find themselves outside the party, the Sunday Times reported. ......So why is malema still a member? !

  • Michele - 2012-01-23 15:49

    Well said Mr President.

  • John - 2012-01-23 19:24

    Malema, Jesus loves you, Malema, Your mother loves you, Malema, Your father loves, Repent, Manpara, repent, Repent, Ignorant, repent, Repent, Negligent, repent, Repent, Liar, repent, Repent, Thief, repent, Repent, Baby Killer, repent, Repent, Genocider, repent! Okai, stop the bus, how can you say all that? Lets have a look: Malema is Ignorant that the Failed Communist Countries like the USSR, China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc, employed Central Control Economies ( CCE ), with full and total nationalization. Negligent - as the head of an organization, it is his duty to be fully informed of the economic history of total disasters of CCE. He does not know that Gorbachov announced reforms away from nationalization – in the early 1980’s! He is a Liar, because these are not his ideas, these ideas have been around for over 100 years. Thief, he has stolen the PEOPLES money – that is how bribery and corruption works. Baby Killer, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 800 000 black babies in government hospitals! Genocider, as a member of the ANC – Abortion Murder Genocide, is guilty of the Genocide of 5 Million Aids sufferers which were refused medication. Repent, Manpara, Repent!

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