News24

Zuma's comments not blasphemous - ANC

2011-02-06 21:05

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma's comments about heaven and hell during voter registration in the Eastern Cape were not blasphemous and were not meant to intimidate, the ANC said on Sunday.

"The figurative weekend expression by the president remains figurative and metaphoric," party spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said in a statement.

"We are, therefore, in agreement with the president that not voting for the ANC is tantamount to throwing your vote in... hell," he said.

Mthembu was referring to Zuma's speech to voters over the weekend, in which he likened voting for the ANC to choosing to go to heaven, and voting for another party to choosing the devil.

Zuma said that if people carried an ANC membership card they were blessed because it meant they would be let through to heaven.

He also equated the ANC's track record, history and policies to the goodness of heaven.

The DA on Sunday said that ordinary South Africans would find Zuma's comments offensive and unacceptable.

"His words are incendiary and dangerous, in that they seek to mobilise along religious lines, and sow seeds of division in our communities.

"Indeed, this is an act of shameless political and religious blackmail - the sort of political skulduggery that may be the norm in autocracies, but that should be anathema to our constitutional democracy.

"Mr Zuma should apologise unreservedly for these remarks."

Mthembu said that South Africans, both black and white, fully understood the use of Zuma's figurative expressions and the context in which it was used.

"Those who are 'alarmed' by his expression are probably driven by jealousy for not having thought of the expression themselves," Mthembu said.

Comments
  • helizna - 2011-02-06 21:16

    I am so jealous for not having thought of using heaven as metaphore for how good the ANC membership is before reading this article! LOL!

      Sabsi - 2011-02-06 23:00

      @ The-truth helizna's comment sounds sarcastic to me... ...and the past is the past - we live in the NOW - not yesterday and not tomorrow! I know it takes a while for wounds to heal, but if you don't start living NOW - at THIS TIME, everything Nelson Mandela was fighting for, will go down the drain! I must admit: I haven't been here during Apartheid (I came in 1996) and just got my informations out of stories from friends, history books etc., but if a beautiful person, who stayed in jail for 26 years can carry on, why can't every other citizen of this country?! ...just a thought... The ANC was important for this country, but looking at the corruption and darlings like Malema... By the way: I was a bit worried when Zuma became our president, but I actually think he was good for this country NOW. Anyway...

      burtfred - 2011-02-06 23:03

      @ The-truth We voted for him? Really? Who exactly did? 2700 sweaty cadres in polokwane did, and that's about it.

      Sue - 2011-02-07 06:59

      @ The-truth - you also need to read your bible. God never gave Zuma any rights nor will he outcast people who do not vote for the ANC. Wake up!

      Alfred - 2011-02-07 07:15

      The-truth, by "we" you mean "you" voted him in. "If he says voting otherwise is like casting yourself into hell, it must be true." Congratulations. Spoken like a true mindless ANC sheeple gimp.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 09:02

      @ The-truth and jackson mthembu - And suicide bombers think that blowing up a few people will get them into heaven where 72 virgins will be waiting for them. Suicide bombers and the ANC have the same thought process! Pathetic!

      bokfan1 - 2011-02-07 09:12

      The african national circus just keeps bringing a new show to town! Though I'm not sure who is the bigger clown jz or malema??? How can any educated citizen take this act seriously??? Likening rape, corruption and anarchy to God or Heavenly things??? What next????

      Carl - 2011-02-07 10:02

      We voted him in? Gullible voters with misplaced sense of loyalty perhaps

      Tigra - 2011-02-07 10:47

      If the ANC government spent as much time and effort on service delivery as what they do on contradicting their own statements, we would be a great first world nation...

      exocist - 2011-02-08 10:15

      THE LATEST ANCYL MEETING GOODDAY comerades welcome to our meeting before we start, hey Phineus yes you at the back did we not also celebrate your 40th birthday at that sushi bash I’m sorry bra you must leave this meeting you are now too old to be part of our youth league what are you trying to do? give us a bad name? Eish ja escort him out it’s no more free party’s for you anymore you must now stand in the queue with the outas for a chicken and a t-shirt at election time. On with the meeting, lets stand and sing our freedom song “trill the hoer” eish comrade sister why you look so disgusted I know we’ve had 17 years of gender equality but no one can stop us from singing our freedom song (After song) Ok sit comerades, after our international youth party piss up I want to ask you what you learned from da udder countries,ok Nimrod what did you learn from the Russians? Yes great leader I learned that you can kill your political rivals just with a Molotov cocktail you don’t need a tyre it doesn’t give off that black smoke it’s very enviriment friendly Good and you comrade Precious what did you learn from the Dutch?oh I learned that in Hamsterdam you don’t only smoke your ganja but you can make these wonderfull cakes from it too. Well done precious and you comrade Computer what did you learn from the Chinks Well comarade leader I learned how to increase the population to a billion people in record time but that secret I passed on to comrade president Jakop. Good good ,thank goodness that comerade president Jakop isn’t into exercise I think he would be too active with the virgins in that gym , we would have had to beat out another international fire (continuing)Wonderfull what did we learn from from England (mumbling at the back someone stands up) sorry great leader we did not envite the impeirialist british pigs we did not want to insult your uncle Bob be jaan Ok,ok did anyone learn anything from the Americans (Blessings stands up) yes great leader, from them we learned how to dump your allies when they’ve served their purpose Wonderful wonderful now I hear that the D.A. is trying to con our members to vote for other parties you know like we con our women about paying maintanance for the piekenini when we want to majiga Finally on the agenda we have the most wonderful news ,comerade president Jakop has been given the keys to heaven, so if when you leave here, the first one to die in a taxi accident which is highly probable, when he or she gets to the pearly white gates must steal all the pearls it’s time for a name change

      Howzitekse - 2011-02-08 19:00

      A lot of hysteria about nothing here.

  • ProudofPink - 2011-02-06 21:20

    Not meant to intimidate? Try telling that to a bunch of uneducated sheeple!

      Kevin Rack - 2011-02-06 23:38

      Ephrahim say something that actually makes sense instead of repeating what the cadre teleprinter says. He is blasphemous with these comments and insulting the electorates intelligence. The ANC will rule till Jesus comes!! Now that is an insult to the voter.

      Maverick - 2011-02-07 06:27

      @Ephraim: "this country now not then is rated as the best in tourism and security."... Now we had a name for that mentality back in the 80's... Best in tourism? Not yet, but we are one of the more favourite destinations. Nothing that the ANC did though. Best in security? Now there's that mentality I just mentioned. Oh, how sweet your life must be, being blind to all around you but the lies you tell yourself... By the way, your village called. They want their idiot back...

  • lldoidge - 2011-02-06 21:27

    South Africans understand that Zuma is a dumbwit and has to resort to utter rubbish to try and get his message across. His comments are best ignored as he is the last person to lecture any kind of religion when he sleeps around with friend's daughters and is the most corrupt leader in Africa. Even Mugabe is an angel compared to him.

      Karoobloed - 2011-02-06 21:52

      Zuma may be corrupt, but he is not evil like Mugabe.

      Francois - 2011-02-06 21:57

      If he condones what Mugabe is doing, he is siding with Mugabe. Mugabe is in a position where he must cling to power, but Zuma can decide to go against Mugabe, without him going to the Hague. Thus actually, Zuma is according to my opinion worse than Mugabe. I think all Christians must show their disappointment with Zuma and not vote ANC.

      P226 - 2011-02-07 08:45

      @karoobloed, Yes he is evil if not worse. His handlers just arent as stupid as Mugabe's

  • Anton - 2011-02-06 21:28

    mthembo...do not dare to speak on my or my families behalf(we are white and do not agree with the so called presidents remark)..you are not qualified or educated to do that!!!!!Weare not satanists or have anything to do with the f&^%n devil!!!

  • JohannV - 2011-02-06 21:40

    Stupid is as stupid does.

      Logs01 - 2011-02-07 11:30

      And there is no pill on earth to fix stupidity.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-02-06 21:43

    Well the African National Circus is not going to turn against it's biggest clown, is it? Hell no way Jose, but then Ringmaster Zuma and his 40 thieves think they are untouchable. Egypt, Tunisia - see what happens when you think you are made in Heaven. As for Mthembu, i have figurative weekend expression by myself that remains figurative and metaphoric - "Go to Hell"

  • Cool-Dude - 2011-02-06 21:44

    Thanks for enlightening me. So I can say anything and insult you and get away with saying it was figurative and metaphoric. Get a brain

      Onwaba - 2011-02-07 17:35

      how cool of you mr dude to understand language use like you do. I loved the figure of speech of your choice in "get a brain"

  • Rob - 2011-02-06 22:00

    The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.

      Lucy - 2011-02-07 06:56

      Hey Rob - dont insult hydrogen!

      Ozymandios - 2011-02-07 06:58

      @ Rob there is more stupidity in this world than there is hydrogen in the universe. And it has a longer shelflife. Pity we are blessed with these bufoons (rhymes with something similar)but somethimes we need to be constantly remined as to how unfair life is and with Juliarse Dilema and Zooma as constant reminders as to how pathetic our forefathers were for not picking up two rifles instead of one, is our lot in life.

  • Francois - 2011-02-06 22:01

    Mthembu, are you in fact saying that all citizens in SA understand the figurative speech of Zuma in that way and that ohter parties are just jealous, beacuse they chose not to blaspheme in campaigning? And you site the ANC's track record for that. Does that include the Camp Quattro killings, the theft during the arms deal, the sleeping with your friend's daughter, the lies about the arms deal and Zim, the taking of the Lord's name in vain? Don't think that because you are an idiot that you are speaking to idiots all the time.

  • jaidev.maharaj - 2011-02-06 22:02

    A typical overreaction at a time of elections. The languages of the African people is always highly symbolic and replete with figurative speech. To ascribe a purely literal translation/interpretation to the President's words and then to reduce it to a purely religious context is designed to extract maximum political mileage. Whatever happened to the idea of free speech? Is it not ironic that those who espouse the ideals of a democratic state should seek to muzzle or place limitations on free speech? Mr. Zuma is our President but he is also a citizen entitled to the same liberties and rights as all of us. Just so that it is clear - I am not employed by government nor am I a tenderpreneur. Just a hard working, highly educated South African who has benefitted from the positive and reconciliatory policies of the government and somebody who cannot see any other party, particularly the DA, implementing the transformatory policies that are the hallmark of the ANC. Of all the parties in the country right now the ANC is certainly the party to deliver a 'heavenly' outcome for our country. To deny the progress that we have made since 1994 and to only emphasise the negative (of which there has also been plenty) is to do our country a great disservice!

      NotAgain - 2011-02-06 22:16

      LOL, you are funny person jaidev. You must be reading/commenting while you are living oversees because you cannot be in SA. Progress in SA, please enlighten me. Except for reversing the apartheid rule from discrimination against blacks/colours/Indians/Asians to the new apartheid called AA/EE/BEE what has the ANC done that has improved people’s lives. More crime, corruption, police state, communism, water crises, health crises, electricity crises, HIV crises, looming food crises, infrastructure crises, skills crises just to mention a few.

      zenboer - 2011-02-06 23:11

      I hear you jaidev, but I think that as a 'Highly educated South African" you would agree that more people are worse off that better off. Just speak to someone in township. Inequality has widened since 1995. Clearly some have become extensively richer and some even poorer. Do you think handouts are improving people? Seriously! Government officials not taking responsibility ... The way I see it, the cons outweigh the pros. Vote for who ever you want, just not the ANC. The only ones that benefit from an ANC government is a small group and in the process they have created more racial tension.

      SimonP - 2011-02-07 00:30

      @jaidev, lots of big words to try and disguise the fact that the ANC have nothing other than fear to win the next election. They cant promote all the good things they have done because they have done none so wat do they resort to? The DA will bring back aparthied and God votes ANC.

      Francois - 2011-02-07 05:38

      Jaidev, we forgive you for not understanding. The president has the right to free speech, and SO DO WE! Even if the president only symbolicly takes the Lord's name in vain, it is according to the Bible a sin. He knew pretty well by giving that speech that he was using his interpretation of events and a mixed message of the Bible to garnish votes. He himself does not believe in the Bible, so he cannot give lessons about it or quote from it. He is using cheap religious talk, to illiterate people who depends on him for food aid, because he does not do anything to get them out of poverty, so that he can keep buying their votes with false teachings of the Bible and a bag of mealie meel.

      Ozymandios - 2011-02-07 07:04

      @ Jaidev Yet the ANC wants to stifle our Freedom of Speech in the newspapers and TV/Radio with their new bill. What are you talking about? Get your head out of your arse and breath for once through your nostrils. You support the fact that the president can say one thing but only he is allowed to say what he wants and then he can curtail our Freedom of Speech when we expose corruption and the ANC's lies???? Nice try mate but try and think first before you open that brian cell of yours and make such one sided statements - difficult though it maybe for you.

      yeldarb - 2011-02-07 07:46

      ag piss off man. you are an idiot just likr JZ and his sidekick assholes

      robertgunning - 2011-02-07 08:25

      Ohhhhh, you mean you benefited from racist ANC policies desgined to empower some at the expense of others. You must be so proud of yourself. You can't see past your own nose. Greed and corruption is all you understand and cherish.

      P226 - 2011-02-07 08:47

      I understand where tyou are coming from, just like they figuratively promise free housing and education, and metaphorically mean a "better life for all". thanks for clearing that up. la-la-land.

      nasheenar - 2011-02-07 16:28

      Good on you for being a highly qualified South African that has benefitted from the positive policies from the government. Could you have emphasised what a pompous arsehole you are any more????? What about the millions that are still poor and still dont have everyday simple fascilities.Typical look out for yourself hey. As long as your ass is covered nothing else matters. WHAT Progress ???? Time to pull your head out of your ass and look around, you maybe sorted there are many that are not as fortunate as you.

      exocist - 2011-02-07 21:15

      HEY KOOS, how come you call others out to give their names and addresses and you don't,you say they've got no cohonas, when you hide behind a afrikaans name hoping that it will protect you.You should be happy that in 94 THANKS TO THE WHITES WHO YOU CALL RACISTS WITHOUT THEM VOTING IN A REFERENDUM TO GIVE DE KLERK A MANDATE TO PROCEED WITH CHANGE you might have faced a real army which was dismantled and i doubt very much you would have been around today, i've said it before, you should remove the K in front of your name and put a D there

      Nico - 2011-02-09 00:00

      you must be a muslim, cause only those heretics would curl for joy of taking a man and making him God. There is none by wich man can be saved and go To G-D, but by the name of Yeshua (jesus) what is next Jaidev? Molotov bombs or sesnas flying into the JHB towers?

  • maseratifitt - 2011-02-06 22:04

    People of South Africa: Let's give the ANC HELL... and remove them from their heaven of entitlement, arrogance, nepotism and corruption.

      SimonP - 2011-02-07 01:05

      Would love to but there are way too many morons who fall for the "your ancestors" or "God" pitch every time. Makes you wonder if the ANC want to keep the majority uniformed/uneducated.

      poosthuizen29 - 2011-02-07 16:43

      Sawubona. I write this in a isiphepho (storm) with umbani (lightning) around me, and Liyana (its raining) now that is zulu and you can read and understand it, nothing between the lines and I agree... GIVE THE ANC HELL!!!

  • Samantha - 2011-02-06 22:07

    ANC membership card allows you to go to heaven?! NO.... THEY HAVE IT ALL WRONG.. John 3 verse 16 in the Bible tells you how and the only way to Heaven. Shame on you....

  • Johnny - 2011-02-06 22:15

    Mthembu obviously thinks that we are all as stupid as zuma and his cronies

  • barry.mcbride - 2011-02-06 22:15

    What do you expect from a guy with no tertiary qualifications? Oh yes, three HONORARY degrees that count for nothing as a professional. At least a lot of our politicians have managed a BA, which is still a joke!

  • Bliss - 2011-02-06 22:37

    ANC you made your name very bad world wide by what you have said this weekend - This thing is going to get criticism world wide because religion is world wide and people will not appreciate this... It is not for you to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell... it is an absolute offensive statement ... no matter how much you want to cover yourselves up now - it is very wrong what you said and nothing will make it right.

  • ProudofPink - 2011-02-06 22:45

    I'm an aethiest but Zoomer's comments have got me wondering. He is the devil incarnate and the ANC is proof of the anti-Christ.

  • chargall - 2011-02-06 22:47

    Jacob Zuma and his inefective spin department are persisting with the systematic destruction of the honorable principles of the African National Congress. The President of this country should learn to think before he opens his mouth. His utterances are percieved by the world as the view of the ANC and the government whether he likes it or not. Attempts by his pathetically inarticulate spin department to excuse his ineptitude continue on one hand to endorse the myth that Africans are stupid and encourage other idiots to make ill considered controversial public statements in the knowledge that the spin department will attempt to excuse their self serving behaviour. Viva ANC! Viva South Africa! God save us from this administration!!!

      betha - 2011-02-07 08:07

      "learn to speak before he opens his mouth"...... i think we already know learning is not his strong point

      gen.mewmew - 2011-02-08 07:52

      that idiot should just f#ckoff. HE SHOULD VOETSEK. hes not worth a presidents ass. one very big joke

  • mlh@24.com - 2011-02-06 22:57

    An THIS, sadly, is the 'president' of SA! Its shocking that Zuma can get away with saying something like this! But, then again these are so-called 'leaders' who also say "kill the boer" does'nt actually MEAN kill the boer!! and 'leaders' who get away with crime, corruption and murder [ie. winnie]. Good luck to those who are'nt thinking of greener pastures. For those of us who are its because we can see the writing on the wall.....sadly......

  • John Oxley - 2011-02-06 23:00

    OK, so we're back to the Middle Ages, with hellfire and damnation - only this time it's politics not religion. I believe less sophisticated voters will believe this claptrap, and be afraid not to vote for the ANC!

      erictheclapton - 2011-02-08 01:43

      That is exactly what the ANC is doing. They know that 93.5% of the population are morons and will believe anything their government tells them. They don't care about the few who complain about the speech, neither do they care about what the world says about it. They have just increased their votes ten fold. It's called "controlling a gullible nation".

  • Janine - 2011-02-06 23:01

    Oh dear - it would appear that I am going to hell!

      Darkie_Ekasi - 2011-02-07 14:27

      While you are still on it, could you please rot in there

      Janine - 2011-02-07 14:37

      I will be quite happy to rot in hell just so long as I am never stupid enough to vote ANC!

      shaun.cousins1 - 2011-02-07 20:16

      hey darkie...you know that light is white hey

      Nico - 2011-02-09 00:09

      looks like Jesus is out of office now, and ANC is taken over the GOD seat. poor fella must be livving in hilbrow now!!!

  • swmarais - 2011-02-06 23:05

    This is a disgrace & a full retraction should be made. Not only is it blasphemy, but also irresponsible. He is playing a game of blackmail on the poor dimwitted souls who cannot think for themselves, yet have the right to vote. It is the kind of speech one would expect from Mugabe, Hitler, Bin Laden, etc...

  • Radrodent - 2011-02-06 23:06

    Thanks for clearing that up Mthembu. I was really worried there for a minute you stupid friggin douche bag.

  • BigWig - 2011-02-06 23:09

    The way I see it . Its just a salad without the dressing . Its as good as it gets.

  • waynet59 - 2011-02-06 23:11

    Just for once zoomie should engage brain first before mouth.

  • Johan - 2011-02-06 23:12

    How many of the rural, uneducated (no opportunity to school) people with a strong relious belief will understand this statement as figurative? This speech of Zuma was delivered in Mthatha and unfortunately many people there apply to the above description.

  • Mr. Left - 2011-02-06 23:14

    And the spokesperson of yet another flat earth society makes another intelligent remark about their leader...

  • To The Point - 2011-02-06 23:15

    President Zuma will not know what blasphemous means let alone spell it, when he swore an oath on the Bible becoming President was already blasphemy and in court he did it again - perhaps he got his wires crossed meaning if you vote ANC you will go to hell – that sounds more like it.

  • shaunpaulsullivan - 2011-02-06 23:23

    hahahahaha, Nice Zoomie! well done for distancing yet another "minority" group from yourself and your party. But just to be safe, I think ill vote for u guys next time, ur ultimate wisdom and foresight has changed my ways, i can now steal and rape, safe in the knowledge that ill have my access card when i reach the pearly gates....wow, you fucking idiot.

      Nico - 2011-02-09 00:12

      maby we can each kill his wifes and get front row tickets in the bus to heaven.

  • lindorsu - 2011-02-06 23:36

    The ANC can not make SA "heaven on earth" through good government - or any other method. Now they promise the voters that they will go to heaven. In the mean time they, the voters, have hell on earth - created by the same government that makes the promise of going to heaven "if one votes for the ANC". The voters can not win - before or after ... The ANC have run out of promises. They know the voters don't believe them anymore. Houses, education, medicine, work, etc - all this have been used as promises. None came true, now they use heaven. Good grieve - how common can you get.

  • lindorsu - 2011-02-06 23:38

    The ANC can not make SA "heaven on earth" through good government - or any other method. Now they promise the voters that they will go to heaven. In the mean time they, the voters, have hell on earth - created by the same government that makes the promise of going to heaven "if one votes for the ANC". The voters can not win - before or after ... The ANC have run out of promises. They know the voters don't believe them anymore. Houses, education, medicine, work, etc - all this have been used as promises. None came true, now they use heaven. Good grieve - how common can you get.

  • lindorsu - 2011-02-06 23:52

    The ANC can not make SA "heaven on earth" through good government - or any other method. Now they promise the voters that they will go to heaven. In the mean time they, the voters, have hell on earth - created by the same government that makes the promise of going to heaven "if one votes for the ANC". The voters can not win - before or after ... The ANC have run out of promises. They know the voters don't believe them anymore. Houses, education, medicine, work, etc - all this have been used as promises. None came true, now they use heaven. Good grieve - how common can you get.

  • clintonalong - 2011-02-06 23:55

    the most wealthy... men and yes it's only men in Africa are the presidents. Look at the rest of Africa and then decide whether you should vote for the incumbent party just because they are black. Governments should be for the people. Lesley, (my house keeper) how has your life changed in the last 15 years? not one bit, and we talk of victory, no civil war? great! hand out food parcels pre election... disgusting. to your own people for a vote where they live in their own faeces. Still? while 496 mil is spent on a billing system? and then some? to a "brother" that clearly has no experience in dealing with it? show me the last dam or power station that was built in the last 16 years? Oh, no, subs and war ships.... can anybody else see this? history repeats itself, look at every African nation that has achieved independence. Kock up, royal bloody cock up. I bet you things won't disappoint. you okes like the wheel invention hey? happy 1800's now you think you cool driving cars 100 years later.....

      Gaina - 2011-02-07 07:28

      Most of that money for the billing system and the money for boats and planes and almost everything else went into the pockets of friends. God help this county the ANC is sending us to hell.

  • Philip - 2011-02-07 00:15

    .. been reading the comments and this is sickening , in other words the rest of the world is going to hell !! that's how you think when you have a peanut for a brain ? lol

  • ptdesigns - 2011-02-07 00:24

    Cry the beloved country. Sad times indeed.....

  • Freddie - 2011-02-07 00:53

    Since when is any political organisation, qualified to arbitrate as to what is or is not blasphemous? This is the responsibility of the appropriate religious organisations. Even then, they may only discriminate as to what is or is not blasphemous to their followers. Being a devout agnostic, I don't recognise any religious authority. So no one, least of all a political party can tell me what is or is not blasphemous.

      jacquesc1981 - 2011-02-07 01:35

      yeah, ok freddie. agnostic is just another excuse for i want to do what i want when i want. honestly,if your agnostic budha, muslim or whatever...you WILL be judged by the BIBLE the LORD Jesus...there is no escaping it...agnosticism is a cult...a religion made up to satisfy those who want to do things which go against the ten commandments...Its just how it is. deny it as much as u wish...but in your mind you know its the truth. dont reply because i wont be on here again.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-02-07 13:39

      Jacquesc1981 you have been misinformed. Agnosticism means that the person does not believe that the existance of God can be proven or disproven. It does not mean that the person does not believe in God, nor does it mean that they do not follow God's word. Don't worry though, many who call themsleves agnostic do not understand this either.

  • asiseeit - 2011-02-07 01:16

    GOD will judge all, I wouldn't even get in a fuss over what Zuma says, lets see what GOD says.

  • SharkBait - 2011-02-07 01:19

    This quote came from the Czech Republic . Someone over there has it figured out. We have a lot of work to do. "The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa . Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

      Deon - 2011-02-07 08:03

      Like the Great Egyptians said 5000 years ago.DEMOCRACY IN THE HANDS OF THE MASSES IS DEADLY!

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 10:10

      Great quote and very true. It's just a pity it is lost on the uneducated - it will go straight over their heads...

      jacquesc1981 - 2011-02-07 12:46

      Haha, very Well said!!!!!!!

  • Looter - 2011-02-07 01:22

    people talk about hell as if its fact! funny when such things don't make sense in the slightest!

  • jacquesc1981 - 2011-02-07 01:26

    Zuma, better think TWICE about what statements he makes...He might get away with it in the short term, BUT the long term will fall down on him like brimstone and fire. ZUMA might think he has superpowers by judging everyone to heaven and hell...fortunately he hasnt....its in no ones hands....and its all going to happen whether you like it or not...Judgement day. Christians hold fast and believe in GOD/JESUS. he is the only one who will save you, no matter how much torture we need to go through...If a child like JACOB ZUMA...standard 3...cant grasp the just of it..theres no helping him even with soap

      Peter - 2011-02-07 08:56

      He has got superpowers. He washed AIDS away with a shower.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 10:14

      There is no heaven and hell and there is no judgement day. It's all man-made stories so that people like Zuma can control the masses... Religions were designed to imprson the mind and engulf the emotions with fear and guilt!

  • AJ - 2011-02-07 05:19

    It's not like the ANC can stand there and talk about budgets, accounting principles, service delivery, urban renewal, municipal targets etc etc, they'd just get a bunch of blank stares coming back at them. Rather go for the emotional fire and brimstone message, and then get down for a bit of a boogie. This is precisely why the ANC will remain in power, no matter how bad they get, delivery is not on the agenda of it's voters. It's more important to feel part of the collective, an hour of political rejoicing is worth the 4 or 5 years of pain and disappointment that follows.

  • ahpretorius - 2011-02-07 05:27

    In 1994 the National Party told us that the ANC would not honour their word, in 2011 even the ANC are saying that their words mean nothing "kill the Boer" does not mean "kill the Boer" and "Heaven and Hell" does not mean same...

  • brandmj - 2011-02-07 05:39

    Politics and religion dont mix very well and JZ is using it to gain votes ...I suppose one cant expect more from people who have brains the size of a pea. Does JZ not realize that he laughed at by people reading this around the world, and he is not respected for it either???????

  • brandmj - 2011-02-07 05:42

    Politics and religion dont mix very well and JZ is using it to gain votes ...I suppose one cant expect more from people who have brains the size of a pea. Does JZ not realize that he laughed at by people reading this around the world, and he is not respected for it either???????

  • Stefaans - 2011-02-07 05:55

    What does he know about Heaven and hell ? he is an athiest !

  • Foxx - 2011-02-07 06:12

    Jackson why don't you read the dictionary and see what the word also means offensive.

  • Tc - 2011-02-07 06:39

    What an insult to his voters. Does he think that they believe such bullshit? But then, maybe they do! Worrying!

      jacquesc1981 - 2011-02-07 12:50

      the worrying thing is they most probably do believe such bullshit. I mean they voted him into power.

  • hawksnr - 2011-02-07 06:54

    What an asshole - the anc took GOD out of our schools, government, sports and so on........... now he claims God for himself and this stupid system... just to win a few votes. ZUMA YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO MANKIND!!!!!!

  • Sue - 2011-02-07 06:55

    It was meant to intimidate those that don't know better. You should be ashamed of yourself and the person who wrote your speech. How can you liken heaven and hell to ANC or anti-ANC? You need to read your bible more often Mr. President then you will see that what's you have said make no sense what so ever and is intimidating to those who don't know better. What a cowardly way to get votes!!!!

  • Willie - 2011-02-07 07:07

    Well Mr Zuma you just lost my vote. By the way your idea of heaven and mine differs greatly. Except for enriching yourself and a few of your benefactors the rest of the people live the same or is worse off since the ANC took power. Our roads are worse, hospitals are really worse or not there anymore,the jobless rate is out of control, border control is non existant, farm murders is way up, rape well what can we say? one of the highst recorded in the world! Actually Mr. Zuma where is this heaven you talk about? Thus far the area you have the least control over "the Cape" seems to be the best area to live now! I want some of that stuff you smoke it must be very powerfull.

      Nico - 2011-02-09 00:21

      die kaap is tops. die paaie in goeie kondisie. die munisipalitiete werk soms tot 11 uur die aand om skoon en reg te maak. die plante groei en ons water is skoon. Ja dankie hellen Ziller en die res wat hier die hand het!!! DA!!! bo

  • pig - 2011-02-07 07:13

    it sounds like zuma will prey to the anc if his children cet sic and not the Lord, good luck to him!!!!!