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Zuma's heaven remark no earthly good

2011-02-07 09:51

Johannesburg - President Jacob Zuma's comments that voting for the ANC is a pass for heaven borders on blasphemy, the Christian Democratic Party said on Monday.

“The appalling tendency of President Jacob Zuma to use religion as an instrument of intimidation to coerce people into voting for the ANC, borders on blasphemy,” CDP leader Rev Theunis Botha said.

Zuma, who also heads the ruling ANC, reportedly told party supporters in Mthatha: "When you vote for the ANC, you are also choosing to go to heaven. When you don't vote for the ANC you should know that you are choosing that man who carries a fork... who cooks people.

"When you are carrying an ANC membership card, you are blessed. When you get up there, there are different cards used but when you have an ANC card, you will be let through to go to heaven."

'Gullible audience'

Botha said Zuma had previously "threatened his gullible audience" that their forefathers would haunt them should they not vote for the ANC" and should know better by now.

The government was sensitive to minorities who might be offended by Christian prayer in meetings, but was happy to say things offensive to Christians.

"A true Christian, and thus also a Christian Democrat, will never use the Lord as a tool for man. The Christian is and will always remain an instrument of God.”

The ANC, in response, agreed with Zuma, but did not feel the "figurative" and "metaphoric" statement was blasphemous.

"Those who are 'alarmed' by his expression are probably driven by jealousy for not having thought of the expression themselves," ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu said.

The CDP's complaint joins that of the DA and the African Christian Democratic Party.

Comments
  • CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-07 10:06

    He was quoted out of context, of course..... shameless politician! (oh sorry, that's a redundancy, I should just have said "politician")

      Sedick - 2011-02-07 11:18

      Thank God for the ANC. Now as a Muslim I do not have to waste time in prayer, and go on Haj. I will just get an ANC card, and Heaven here I come. As a Christian, not sure why Jesus came, now that we know that an ANC card will get us to heaven, it seems that God made a mistake.......what a dufus for a president we have. The man never ceases to amaze, and fill one with deep concern........

      david.simpson.za - 2011-02-07 14:35

      Here is a simple answer from me based on what we have been told was said by the honorable President of the Republic of South Africa: If you vote for ANC you get a gate pass into Heaven. Please could you supply some examples of this. Christianity is a single faith / belief / religion. God appears in most if not all forms of faith. If you are to make statements of this magnitude.... You are appointing yourself as the voice / speaker of god or on his behalf. I have few questions as do all that could come from what I see when being told this statement. It is statement that in certain countries that could cause war. Leave all the Race issues out of this, DA / ANC has no place here. GOD belongs to no mans group / following / sect / cult or whatever. I am not a religious person so i wont dare quote anything from him. As to understand the divine is to be divine, I am a simple Human being as are all of us. We are inherently flawed each and everyone of us. However the nature surrounding the use of his ability to foresee the guaranteed pathway into heaven is not to be used as a slogan or sales technique in any form. And in my opinion is the same a salesman using false information to peddle his product / service. As he or her them self feel that they cannot use any facts as to convincing people to buy / vote in their favor. This is not a black and white thing. And I dare anybody posting here to tell me I am racist from any side.

      Thangy - 2011-02-07 15:29

      Of all the things Zuma has done, this one is the worst!!

      mbube - 2011-02-08 09:41

      Blaspheme: A victimless crime.

      exocist - 2011-02-08 10:12

      THE LATEST ANCYL MEETING GOODDAY comerades welcome to our meeting before we start, hey Phineus yes you at the back did we not also celebrate your 40th birthday at that sushi bash I’m sorry bra you must leave this meeting you are now too old to be part of our youth league what are you trying to do? give us a bad name? Eish ja escort him out it’s no more free party’s for you anymore you must now stand in the queue with the outas for a chicken and a t-shirt at election time. On with the meeting, lets stand and sing our freedom song “trill the hoer” eish comrade sister why you look so disgusted I know we’ve had 17 years of gender equality but no one can stop us from singing our freedom song (After song) Ok sit comerades, after our international youth party piss up I want to ask you what you learned from da udder countries,ok Nimrod what did you learn from the Russians? Yes great leader I learned that you can kill your political rivals just with a Molotov cocktail you don’t need a tyre it doesn’t give off that black smoke it’s very enviriment friendly Good and you comrade Precious what did you learn from the Dutch?oh I learned that in Hamsterdam you don’t only smoke your ganja but you can make these wonderfull cakes from it too. Well done precious and you comrade Computer what did you learn from the Chinks Well comarade leader I learned how to increase the population to a billion people in record time but that secret I passed on to comrade president Jakop. Good good ,thank goodness that comerade president Jakop isn’t into exercise I think he would be too active with the virgins in that gym , we would have had to beat out another international fire (continuing)Wonderfull what did we learn from from England (mumbling at the back someone stands up) sorry great leader we did not envite the impeirialist british pigs we did not want to insult your uncle Bob be jaan Ok,ok did anyone learn anything from the Americans (Blessings stands up) yes great leader, from them we learned how to dump your allies when they’ve served their purpose Wonderful wonderful now I hear that the D.A. is trying to con our members to vote for other parties you know like we con our women about paying maintanance for the piekenini when we want to majiga Finally on the agenda we have the most wonderful news ,comerade president Jakop has been given the keys to heaven, so if when you leave here, the first one to die in a taxi accident which is highly probable, when he or she gets to the pearly white gates must steal all the pearls it’s time for a name change

  • George - 2011-02-07 10:15

    but i dont understand what the problem is here, first everyone has freedom of speech, secondly, no religous people have monopoly over heavenly admission cards, thirdly, the ANC fought for democracy, freedom, equality and human rights policies which we enjoy today when the DA and other parties were parts of the Apartheid legislatures in the past. surely, jesus would identify more with ANC policies than human rights abusers. blood was spilled in this country in defense of these human rights freedoms, Mandela spent years in jail for these rights. surely, ANC aligned policies are indeed heavenly compared to the churches that never questioned apartheid, actually most churches during apartheid supported the government of the day with the exception of Bishop Tutu.

      navarac - 2011-02-07 10:26

      Obviously you have absolutely no idea of what Christianity is about. My opinion, for what it's worth: A Christian ANC voter will object to Zuma's rant and the ANC will lose that vote. A non-Christian ANC voter has no interest in heaven and will vote anyway. Maybe Zuma's idea of heaven is to have unlimited wealth and many wives and concubines.

      david.simpson.za - 2011-02-07 10:40

      @ George Does being stupid come naturally to you? Or is it some kind of Syndrome? Either way I pity your lack of understanding in terms of the exploitation that occurred.

      GT - 2011-02-07 10:44

      George - I think you have Jesus and Alibaba mixed up. Arabian Nights vs 40 days and 40 nights.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-07 10:49

      George, you are so clueless on so many levels...

      emohex555 - 2011-02-07 11:01

      @George - Congratulations, you've earned the award for 'Moemish' of the week and it's only monday. Way to go!!

      Derek - 2011-02-07 11:04

      George, George, George - your diatribe here is about as far removed from the truth and reality as Zuma's statement! Firstly, what the ANC's policies are and what they actually put into practise are poles apart. Talk is cheap! What the ANC cadres are doing as far as corruption, cronyism and money-grabbing at the expense of the poor is tantamount to human rights abuses and crimes against humanity. Secondly, it is a total distortion of the truth that opposition parties and churches never questioned apartheid. A few political parties and many churches were vociferous in their condemnation of the ruling party's policies - and that even when they were beneficiaries of such policies. But hey, don't believe me - do some research - this is all documented. Its just that the ANC doesn't want anyone to know this and you've swallowed their propoganda hook, line and sinker. Personally, I think the ANC politicians deserve to burn in hell for the way they treat their fellow South Africans. With utter contempt!

      Duane277 - 2011-02-07 11:17

      Ja George come on man - this article is not about "the apartheid struggle." It has nothing to do with apartheid, it has to do a politician using a scare tactic to bully uninformed people into voting for him - in this case the scare tactic is to tell people that they will only go to heaven if they vote for the ANC, which is complete nonsense of course. You go to heaven for accepting Jesus into your life and by living by his principles, not by voting for a particular political party

      duanedrop - 2011-02-07 11:27

      "but i dont understand what the problem is here" let me try to explain it. "first everyone has freedom of speech" incorrect, we do not have freedom of speech, i can think of 3 things i am not allowed to say here. my article would be banned. I could say 1 word here at work and I will be immediately dismissed. technically freedom of speech is not expressly guaranteed in the constitution. The ANC government is actively trying to curtail freedom of speech with the regulation of information act. "he ANC fought for democracy....." true, however as did the heads of the DA, the DA was only established after 1994, so how could they do as you said: "DA and other parties were parts of the Apartheid legislatures" " jesus would identify more with ANC policies than human rights abusers" how can you call these other parties human rights abusers, what basis do you have for this statement? Who and how are you qualified to make this sort of statement. With the proven corruption and stealing from the poor, putting themselves before their electorate these are sins. Do they, ANC, religiously follow the scriptures, give charity, go to church and worship the lord on a sabbath? these are the teachings, the evidence points to the exact opposite. "compared to the churches that never questioned apartheid, actually most churches during apartheid supported the government of the day" were you there, in church? Most churches stood against apartheid. most churches and organisations were for change

      mycomment - 2011-02-07 11:30

      George Mrs Zille was one of thye biggest fighters of aparteid. Your ignorance proves how well Zuma's threats of forefathers and hell work. It is directed at gullible, ignorent, uneducated people. Such as yourself. Open your eyes and look at what this party is doing to this country. Aparteid is over, opposition parties dont want to bring it back. So please stop worrying about. as of 1994 we are together, so lets vote for a democratic party, not an ex freedom fighting party, turned power hungry, corrupt communists. As for your free speech arguement. The ANC is trying to take that away as well. Think a little, my friend.

      robertgunning - 2011-02-07 11:34

      @george - Two important things I wanted to address.... firstly he is promising something he can't deliver. Secondly the DA was not around during the apartehied era - the former party was known as the DP and the people within the party have changed considerably over the last 16 years leaving almost nobody from the original apartheid era in power. Where do you come up with this stuff?? You try to peddle opinion for fact. Look at DA membership and length of membership before you start getting your panties unaligned.

      Assegaai - 2011-02-07 11:40

      Hey George of the jungle,you must have hit your head harder than I thought when you fell out of the reality tree.

      LuCypher - 2011-02-07 12:21

      So the apartheid churches argued that some off planet being supported them - and produced evidence from a book he purportedly wrote and now the CNA say the same thing? Both have one thing in common- they are both corrupt. Apart from that George, how in heaven's name can you speak for Jesus???

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 12:24

      Hmmmm... Sounds a little like another dictator that used religion to kill off a whole group of people... Anyone remember that man called Hitler? Well Zuma is not far behind...

      purplepumpernickle - 2011-02-07 12:57

      George, thank you for illustrating to to us What Sort of people Will be Voting for the ANC. You Can Double for our Dear old JZ as the both of you are completely moronic....

      Bobbi T - 2011-02-07 13:15

      if we are looking at what would get you into heaven - increasing the number of people killed (death rate has gone up since the ANC came to power), and stealing is one of ten most evil sins (I think thou shalt not steal is number 7) the ANC led policies aren't opening the gates from where I sit, I think any political party is heading for hell - altho' the way SA is heading - i think there are little patches of hell all over the country

      catij001 - 2011-02-07 13:24

      YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

      Susannomore - 2011-02-07 14:16

      1. There was more than just the ANC fighting for an end to Apartheid 2. In the 1961 election, only Mrs Helen Suzman (DA) managed to retain her seat in Parliament. Mrs Suzman sat alone for 13 years, the sole principled opponent of racial discrimination in the whole South African Parliament. She fought against detention without trial; pass laws; influx control; job reservation on the grounds of colour; racially separated amenities; Group Areas; and forced removals. She demanded trade union rights for blacks and fought for better wages and working conditions. She visited prisons and obtained better conditions for prisoners. 3. Bishop Tutu has never been a Church. Archbishop Desmond Tutu was an Archbishop for the Anlican Church.

      DL - 2011-02-07 14:55

      Hey George, ive got a lawn for you to mow, then maybe you can mow your way to heaven, bloody idiot!!!

      fjharmse - 2011-02-07 15:18

      George, ek hoopjy het jou kloue gaan was na die k@k wat jy getik het. Kom by, dis 2011, nog 3 jaartjies, dan is demokrasie 20 jaar oud.

      v3 - 2011-02-07 15:56

      The DA is directly descended from the Progressive Party which fought apartheid and was one of the first to call for Mandela's release. The current leader of the DA, the much-demonised-by-the-ANC Zille, for instance, was the journalist who exposed the murder of Steve Biko. Hardly supporting apartheid. George, you embarrass yourself, the ANC and all South Africans with your ignorance (or lies) As for President 783, he should, as a pastor, know better than taking the Lord's name in vain and what Jesus said about the Devil setting up as an expert on Scripture.

      BRIGHT ZISHIRI - 2011-02-07 16:14

      true george, tell them my man.Its sad politics that these monkeys want to make a big deal out of an expression.

      lean - 2011-02-07 19:18

      George Of The Jungle - Watch Out For That Tree!!

      Picasso - 2011-02-08 07:17

      The ANC murdered innocent people, Mandela sat in jail for being a terrorist and the ANC killed more people during Apartheid than the government themselves. Then they also bombed a church, let's not forget that one. Also Jesus would not agree with the corruption and self enrichment that is going on today. So no, Jesus would not identified with the ANC.

      debjames15 - 2011-02-08 12:59

      You have GOT to be kidding me! Does anyone out there actually believe this drivel? This country is in deep trouble and getting worse by the day. Heaven help us all.

  • brianR - 2011-02-07 10:18

    Just a thought, if you dont vote ANC, will there be hell to pay?

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-02-07 10:36

      Pertinent question.

      TheNewSA - 2011-02-07 10:44

      Well we do know, if you do vote ANC. The taxpayers will have to pay.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-07 10:49

      already the case

  • boepensmanvangraan - 2011-02-07 10:27

    Seeing that God hands out the cards that gets you into heaven according to Christian beliefs(explained in this African context), Zuma thus implies that he is God and Malema is Jesus. Immense!

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-02-07 10:37

      Correction. Zuma is the Black Jesus and Malema is Jonas* the Baptist. *Afrikaans pronunciation for best effect.

  • Denis - 2011-02-07 10:30

    I would like to give Zuma and Mthembu a warning from the Word of God in Gal 6 v 7, "Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked, the one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature wiil reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life" Yoy are not only busy fooling the rural uneducated, but you are tempting God by twisting the Truth, that Truth that sets us free from sin and death. It is time Christians start praying to have this nitwit removed from power by whatever means God thinks fit. I am a Christian and do not vote ANC because I do not agree with the Abortion Act nor the Gay and Lesbian Act. I will also not support people who are guilty of theft, murder and corruption. This is sin and I refuse to be part of it.

      Ryno Rousseau - 2011-02-07 10:45

      "God cannot be mocked" evidently he can. "the one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature wiil reap destruction" evidently he won't. "the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life" be sure to send us a memo after they slaughter you and your family (but of course God will step in and stop them, just saying)

      Vaal Donkie - 2011-02-07 10:49

      The beauty of this is that even if you don't believe, you can still agree.

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-02-07 11:26

      @Denis - Agree with theft, corruption and murder, but not with gay and lesbian act or abortion act. I am gay and consider myself a christian and do not care about self righteous opinions like yourself. I do think that Zuma, like any other person who uses religious sayings or verses to bring their point across or intimidate people are self rightious and self absorbed. Zuma really stuffed up with that comment!

      amagwadi40 - 2011-02-07 12:04

      Amen Denis!

      Gary - 2011-02-07 12:10

      Kaleidascope and Kingoftomorr - thought i needed to just say something about your post. Kingoftomm - where did the jewish angst come from - this has nothing to do with them but rather a deluded faithless president. God loves Israel and the Jews and they are the apple of his eye. Kaleidoscope - unfortunately i would have to disagree with you on your post and i know that is your opinion but the truth is in the word of God concerning sin. God is a just but loving God but requires holiness and cannot stand sin. We all sin yes but Jesus said you need to carry your cross daily to follow him. We have to die to our fleshly desires daily and following Jesus comes with following him and turning from sin. This is biblical and i don't consider myself a christian but a follower of my king and savior Jesus Christ who came to this earth to die for me and you and who conquered death to set me free from sin. This doesn't mean its a free ticket to sin daily. God requires obedience but he does love us. I used to think i was a christian because i went to church and my family were but i was convicted by the holy spririt of sin that kept me in bondage for many years and I have recently felt the freedom and powerful work of the Holy Spirit in my life .The breakthrough from bondage through Jesus's grace and mercy is life changing . We all need to turn to God and seek his truth and its a journey.Jesus is returning soon and coming for a pure bride. God bless you

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-02-07 12:59

      @Gary - A typical message i hear when i attend church. Each and every day of my life I strive to be a better person, to get closer to God. I also believe in having a relationship with the holy spirit of God, and I beleive with all my heart and soul that i have one! I am planning to get married to my partner and have a family! I will not allow people like you to dictate who I should spend my life with! Another thing eating shellfish is also an abomination in the bible, so their will be a lot of people in hell! God bless you too. I am planning

      JohannV - 2011-02-07 13:01

      "1 Corinthians 2:14 (New International Version, ©2010) 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit." Discussing the Will of God, the Word of God and anything else regarding the Wonders of God with fools, atheists and unbelievers is akin to discussing theoretical astronomy and quantum physics with a lab rat. The rat's only concern is where its next meal will come from - no focus on anything else. God bless you for your attempt, but rather ignore the usual mockery and atheist vomit to come! :-)

      FrankLee - 2011-02-07 13:08

      @Akweerius Strangely God also said: "If you call someone a fool you're in danger of hell-fire...." perhaps you're doing the same as what you accuse Denis of?

      rayray - 2011-02-07 13:17

      @Kaleidoscope Oh please... If you are gay, you can not be a christian, I refer to what God did to the city of Sodom (from where we get the word sodomy) and Gamora. Furthermore, God calls you an amobination, and you are equated to DOGs.Please go home and read your Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth (aka. the BIBLE) and repent, God loves you, however what you do is displeasing to Him and will send you straight to hell (no need to vote against the ANC for that). And I Quote Romans 1:26-32 "For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God’s decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them."

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 13:26

      @ FrankLee - I am not going to hell because there is NO such place... Wake up!!!! So I will say it again, this time to you - FOOL!!!!

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 13:32

      @ rayray - The bible is a crock of sh#t you idiot. It was written by men who wanted to rule other men. It's NOT, I repeat, it's NOT the word of god. "God" has no preference what you do. The istitution of religion and its arrogant indoctrination and imposition of its desperately limited vision of life has created a mind-prison for billions of people. Religion is a lie and so is the bible!!! Wake up you fools.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 13:36

      And you can quote as many versus from the bible (book of lies) as you like - because you are not quoting a single word from god, but words from other men who tried to control a population.

      FrankLee - 2011-02-07 13:38

      @Akweerius The bible also says: 'The FOOL says in heart - "there is no God"'

      JohannV - 2011-02-07 13:47

      Akweerius, why are you atheists always frothing at the mouth and becoming very frantic and insulting when you talk abot "a God who does not exist" or the "book of lies" as you so call it? Trying to shout so hard to quiet that awful doubt and insecurity inside your soul? God did give you FREE WILL, so use it wisely.

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-02-07 13:47

      @rayray - No wonder I love dogs more than most humans.I am happy to be equated to a dog because they are more loyal and loving than most people! You are quoting versus that I have read. What about the verse, Lev 11 - 10 - "Eating shellfish is an abomination."? Selective reading or don't you eat it? You are a joke to me!

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 13:47

      @ FrankLee - The bible is LYING to you!!!! So I wouldn't believe anything it says, if I were you. And besides, I NEVER said there is no god. There is a god, but not the one that you have placed in a box and continue to spread lies about!!

      Kaleidoscope - 2011-02-07 13:53

      Frank Lee Akweerius did not say he does not beleive in God. What comments are you reading?

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 13:55

      JohannV, nobody is frothing at the mouth. I am perfectly calm... I'm not going to let fools anger me - you must be joking. I just feel sorry for you, because you are so brain-washed. I pity you, that's all! I jsut hope one day, you wake up and realise the TRUTH!!!!

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 14:00

      JohannV, for the record, I never said that god does not exist - so please stop putting words in my mouth (which you religious freaks are so good at). I just don't believe in your god that is full of hate. I believe in a god that does not judge. I am VERY secure in my soul and my beliefs.

      JohannV - 2011-02-07 14:27

      Akweerius, you talk about "god", you say hell doesn't exist, you call the Bible a book of lies. So, I suppose you are one of the New Agers who believe YOU are your own god, or you pray to mother nature and the planets. The BIBLE, the HOLY WORD OF GOD, was God-breathed, and written by men. I'll pray for you to see the light before it's too late.

      Susannomore - 2011-02-07 14:33

      -There is no abortion act - there is a pregnancy termination bill. -There is no Gay and Lesbian act - there is a marraige act. -God can be mocked - although that does not been that it is right. If you are trying to make a point, at least get the facts right - otherwise you sound uneducated and I dismiss your comments.

      rayray - 2011-02-07 14:36

      @Akweerius Wrong... The BIBLE was written over a period of 1600 years by 40 authors from all walks of life, that deliver a message so consistant that one can only conclude that it was written by one person... The Holy Spirit, now tell that to your animal spirit guide, or should I say "ruler of the spirit world" (Sanat- not even well disguised name) you new age ignoramous. ROMANS 1:22-23 "Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things"

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 14:39

      JohannV - I am neither an athiest nor a new ager. I believe in the truth and what is true for me. I don't follow someone else's belief system. I have a brain and I can think for myself - unlike you - clearly. And PLEASE do NOT pray for me... I do not need it. I have and know the truth - Rather pray for yourself, before it is too late.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 14:41

      Thank you Kaleidoscope - at least you can read, unlike these others that have selective reading skills, who only see what they want to see and who put words into people's mouths.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 14:59

      @ rayray - I don't pray to an animal spirit guide - that would be you! And it clearly shows that you know NOTHING of the bible. The bible was put together by ONE man - King Constantine, because he wanted to create a religion to control the people, so that they would succumb to him. So your belief is actually praising and worshipping King Constantine. Everything in the bible stems from paganism. So I would think again about who I am worshipping. I don't need to pray to anyone or anything. My soul is complete, because I know who I am and where I come from and where I am going. You have no confidence, hence the reason you need to pray to a false god to make yourself believe you are of some importance. God also said, do not worship any other god/idol other than me, yet you all pray to jesus - an idol. You are all such hypocrites. You say you follow the bible, yet all you do is judge and spew hatred - everything god is against. Close your mouth rather, because you are proving more and more how gullible, brainwashed, and stupid you are.

      JohannV - 2011-02-07 15:25

      And... the penny drops. Akweerius is one of those false prophets the Bible warns us against. So, why do you quote from the Bible when you don't believe in it? And why do you believe in God in your one post, and then the very next post you deny His existence? Contradict yourself much? Don't worry, I'm not judging or condemning, I'm just calling a spade a spade. The same as "pagan" Jesus did. He warned us about the likes of you.

      fjharmse - 2011-02-07 15:31

      @Akweerius - Hoekom djy praat met djouself?

      Akweerius - 2011-02-07 17:52

      JohannV, you're delusional. I NEVER denied his existence. I just said that I do not believe in YOUR god - the hateful one. Go back and read again - and NOT selectively. And I will say it again, STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH, as you religious freaks like to do... YOUR whole religion is a contradiction... And you say I was given Free Will and to use it wisely… THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS WRONG WITH THAT SENTENCE!!! Contradict YOURSELF much? Free will is free will, finish and klaar - there's no "use it wisely" or "this way is right", etc. Free will is to be used any which way a person desires - that is the beauty of it. YOU have just made a mockery of free will by placing a limitation on it. You cannot be told you have free will, yet you will be punished if you choose a certain way - THAT IS A MOCKERY OF FREE WILL and god is shaking his proverbial head at you. Simpleton!!!

      JohannV - 2011-02-08 00:13

      Akweerius, you are a false prophet! There is no "hateful" god, only God the Father, Creator of heaven and earth. God the Merciful, the Just, the Righteous, the Patient One. Yes, the Bible was COMPILED by Constantine, and he also added all the bells and whistles the Romand Catholics love so much. The Catholic Church is nothing but paganry. But Constantine didn't write or compile the Torah and the Talmud - those were written centuries before he was born. Maybe you're confusing religion with doctrine - I don't follow a religion or a doctrine - I follow God my Father and Jesus my Saviour with the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I don't even "belong" to a church - I don't need organised religion to ensure my salvation and eternal life.

      Picasso - 2011-02-08 07:56

      Ag JohannV, stop being so self righteous. Gandhi was referring to people like you when he said " I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ" Don' the bible also say something like you will be judged like you judge others?

      Lanfear - 2011-02-08 09:11

      LOL @ JohannV - you don't follow an organised religion? Then why do you believe in Jesus and the bible? That is the HEART of the world's biggest organised religion called christianity. And if not for the Roman Catholic church and Constantine, your religion won't even exist and you wouldn't even know of a book called the bible. Don't show your ignorance so plainly, it is embarrassing.

      JohannV - 2011-02-08 09:48

      Akweerius / Lanfear / Picasso - I am humbled before your brilliant insight into religion. I am also happy that you have found a "god" that suits your individual secular needs. I will stick to my "angry, hateful" God and pray that He grants you forgiveness and absolution. That's how I use my free will - NOT because I'm brainwashed, fearful or one of the "sheeple'. I CHOOSE to worship Him because it gives me a reason for being in this life. God bless you all! :-)

      Lanfear - 2011-02-08 09:57

      @ JohannV - don't equate me with others please, they may have found a god to suit their needs. I am an atheist and don't believe that any deity(s) exist. I have however, studied and researched all the major religions in the world. So I do have an insight into religion and the religious mind. I also know the history of your own religion [and others]. Besides, if you don't go to or belong to a church to worship and so forth, you are clearly disobeying your god's orders. You have then done exactly the same then as people like Akweerius has done i.e. chose your own god and way of worship.

      JohannV - 2011-02-08 10:34

      Lanfear, nowhere in the Bible does it say I have to go to church. Exodus 20:8 (The 4th Commandment) tells me to keep the seventh day holy, which I do. Whether it is the Sabbath like the Jews observe, or the first day of the week, like the Gregorian calendar states, or whatever day whichever religion holds to, it does not matter. I have a holy day called Sunday and if I so wish to go to ANY church to worship, then I do. If I wish to spend the holy day with like-minded believers, then I do. You atheists proudly state you believe in no god and you worhip none - but you are wrong. You worship false teachers like Darwin, Dawkins and Carlin, you worship your own selves and the world - so yes, you do worship a "god", even if it is the banner of secular humanitarianism you so proudly fly. Why, oh why, can NO atheist answer me this: If you guys believe we are misguided and deluded (brainwashed), WHY do you make it your life's goal to show us we are "wrong"? If we want to believe in a reward of eternal life in the presence of our God, why do you want to take it from us? Don't you believe that free will also applies to us believers? Let us believe in our God and don't force your unbelief down our throats, like you always love to claim we religious folk do to you.

      Lanfear - 2011-02-08 14:04

      @ JohannV - now I understand why Akweerius started shouting at you, since you can't seem to stop putting words in other people's mouths. The bible doesn't say you have to belong to a church but that you have to assemble and worship [Heb.10:25 & Luk.4:16]. And do you honestly want to tell me that you don't even cook a meal on the "sabbath"? Your understanding of atheism is truly flawed. I have never read Dawkins' "God Delusion", Darwin was an agnostic, not an atheist and besides, even the church admit the validity of his scientific theories, never read Carlin. I don't "worship" the earth, the universe or myself. I worship nothing. Just as with atheism, your understanding of the word "worship" is also flawed. Want an Oxford dictionary? I have NEVER tried to "convert" someone or even told them that they are "wrong" to believe. That is your choice of course. And is most definitely NOT my "life's work" to tell you and others that I think you are wrong. Some of my best friends are religious, we even discuss it. Now answer me this, why make it your life's work to judge those who do not believe as you do? Why do you throw your beliefs in my face every day, in papers, on tv, street poles, etc.? But we atheist must just keep quiet, sit in the corner and accept? Gah! The time for that is over, at last we can voice what we think and don't believe and not be burned at the stake for it.

      Lanfear - 2011-02-08 14:05

      @ JohannV - now I understand why Akweerius started shouting at you, since you can't seem to stop putting words in other people's mouths. The bible doesn't say you have to belong to a church but that you have to assemble and worship [Heb.10:25 & Luk.4:16]. And do you honestly want to tell me that you don't even cook a meal on the "sabbath"? Your understanding of atheism is truly flawed. I have never read Dawkins' "God Delusion", Darwin was an agnostic, not an atheist and besides, even the church admit the validity of his scientific theories, never read Carlin. I don't "worship" the earth, the universe or myself. I worship nothing. Just as with atheism, your understanding of the word "worship" is also flawed. Want an Oxford dictionary? I have NEVER tried to "convert" someone or even told them that they are "wrong" to believe. That is your choice of course. And is most definitely NOT my "life's work" to tell you and others that I think you are wrong. Some of my best friends are religious, we even discuss it. Now answer me this, why make it your life's work to judge those who do not believe as you do? Why do you throw your beliefs in my face every day, in papers, on tv, street poles, etc.? But we atheist must just keep quiet, sit in the corner and accept? Gah! The time for that is over, at last we can voice what we think and don't believe and not be burned at the stake for it.

      Akweerius - 2011-02-12 03:26

      @ JohannV – I am so glad you hold me in such high regard – A prophet! Wow! Maybe I should take that and run with it. I could be the next Jesus. Start a new religion and become rich. Lol. I used to go to church and read the bible, until I “saw the light” so to speak. I see you bring up the Talmud – do you know that the Talmud is one of the BIGGEST racist writings EVER? It states something along the lines, that non-jews are to be regarded as lower than dogs. All non-jews are not to be classed as humans but as dogs. Non-jews are not to mix with jews as they are of no consequence, etc, etc. Now this is where your religions stem from. To them you are a non-jew, thus you are lower than a dog. So tell me now if your religion is good? It all stems from hate and power trips that men had back in the day to control other people. God and religion have NOTHING to do with each other. You also say that non-believers are always making it their life goal to show you that you are wrong. What about your religious groups (including you) that shout down everyone that does not believe in your religion or your views? You make everybody out to be wrong all the time. According to Christianity, muslims are wrong, jews are wrong, buddhists are wrong, gays are wrong, and the list goes on and on. So DO NOT come and say that we are always trying to prove you wrong, when in fact it is your religions that condemn and hate on everything and everyone with a different view on life. Don’t be so judgmental and hypocritical. The reason we “non-believers”, as you put it, get so frustrated is because we can see how blindly you follow something and that we just wish you could take the blind-fold off and THINK FOR YOURSELVES, and not what men, on high power trips from thousands of years ago, tell you to think. Open your eyes to the endless possibilities out there. Religion is the biggest bust-up of humanity! How could you possibly be proud of that? Jesus was also NOT the only son of god. He was just a prophet that came to show the rest of humanity who they REALLY are and what they are capable of. He says “I am the light, follow me and do as I do…” He is not saying follow me like sheep… He is saying follow me because you too are the sons of god and you too can do everything that I can do. Johann you are worshipping a false god if you worship jesus and that is NOT what “god” wants. He wants you to think for yourself. He wants for you what YOU want for you – regardless of what it is. He has no preference. And remember there is no right and wrong – only your personal perception of it. What you think is right, might be wrong for someone else, and vice versa. So in essence, EVERYTHING is right (even if it is wrong), because what you find to be wrong, will be right to someone else – therefore everything is right – it’s just your perception of it. There is a popular point of view. There is a personal point of view. There is a large point of view. There is a small point of view. There is no right or wrong point of view. You are always right. You are always wrong. It just depends from which pole you are looked at. There is a HUGE consciousness shift happening at the moment throughout the world. More and more people are realizing that religions are a lie (created by man to control the population and become rich) and that they have nothing to do with “god”.

  • Smanga - 2011-02-07 10:42

    this is an outcome of literal Zulu-English translation, stupid journos!

      pointblankza - 2011-02-07 11:17

      Um, no you cannot really get telling people that if you have an ANC card you blessed and therefore stand a better chance of getting into heaven wrong now can you? Oh, hang on it's Smanga... sorry. In that case your stupidity is understandable.

      Derek - 2011-02-07 11:41

      aaah - he was misquoted. How original!

      lmduplessis - 2011-02-07 12:15

      Maybe they should "misquote" zumas IQ sometime

  • jka - 2011-02-07 10:43

    ANC is getting poor - they used to promise houses if you voted for them, now its just an access card to heaven.

      robertgunning - 2011-02-07 11:39

      They have to use this selling point, the ANC isn't going to deliver anything benefitial in your life time so they may as well sell you an afterlife.

      vlarisma - 2011-02-07 15:50

      in other words: you're more likely to die than get a house from the ANC!

  • CharlSkeptic - 2011-02-07 10:46

    What is the difference between God and the ANC?

      Homer - 2011-02-07 11:16

      Charl and GT : I'll tell you the difference, You will see the wrath of the ANC in this lifetime and the wrath of GOD in your next

      JosephSoape - 2011-02-07 13:15

      Brilliant! Both work in mysterious ways, or not, depending on your perspective Both build and rename huge works in the name of their leader, deity, whatever... Both aggressively work on the elimination of all that do not stand WITH them (Torquemada, anyone?) Both have blind followers that despite all proof to the contrary will continue to believe...

      GT - 2011-02-07 15:15

      Why was my comment removed? It was not derogatory in anyway. You can't can't slander something that doesn't exist!

      Hannes Perth - 2011-02-08 03:47

      Both also promised a better life in the after life and you will only know too late it they can deliver or not.

  • kallie.kemp - 2011-02-07 10:48

    @George: You obviously need help. Your limited understanding is blatently obvious.

  • James Lenoir - 2011-02-07 10:51

    What is it with our turtle-headed wannabe pastor of a president? I have said it once, and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no sympathy for those that vote ANC, especially the impoverished in the townships, because invariably they are doing it to themselves. 16+ years of continued poverty under the ANC, and they still vote for them? They can starve for all I care.

      ArtGee - 2011-02-07 13:30

      CAMEL HEADED is more like it!

  • James Lenoir - 2011-02-07 10:54

    What is it with our turtle-headed wannabe pastor of a president? I have said it once, and I'll say it again. I have absolutely no sympathy for those that vote ANC, especially the impoverished in the townships, because invariably they are doing it to themselves. 16+ years of continued poverty under the ANC, and they still vote for them? They can starve for all I care.

  • emohex555 - 2011-02-07 10:57

    Lol! this is one of those instances where I'm sure the ANC realises that it was not right to make those statements, but admitting the error would be way worse than bearing the brunt of this whiplash- Almost like if your wife/Girlfriend catches you in a compromising situation.. Deny! Deny! Deny!

  • Christo - 2011-02-07 10:58

    And I thaught God had better things to do than support the ANC??? I never thaught he would check the voting ballads to see who is Satans children and who is meant for his kingdom. Funny, I didn't know it was this easy to go to heaven. From now on I shall vote ANC VIVA ANC!!!!!!! All for my salvation!!!! VIVA ANC

  • yeldarb - 2011-02-07 11:04

    No such crap would ever have been uttered by Mr Nelson mandela. This is a warning to ZUMA. Continue to manipulate your uneducated followers because one day they will open their eyes and then yuo will be in heaps of KAK. Damn .I hate all yuo stand for. DOOS

  • DeonL - 2011-02-07 11:05

    Zuma is giving Pieter Div a run for his money on being the next one to be imortalized in a cartoon book of quotes. They are both very funny.

  • Lauren Ann Flinders - 2011-02-07 11:06

    Sad state of affairs that comments like this are even made. I would say it is an insult to the intelligence of those listening but as is shown by education system's failures perhaps the 'dumbing down' of our youths is the reason that such speeches are actually accepted and work in our 'modern' society. And then to add insult to the intelligence of those who choose to question such tactics the spokesman's answer as to why people are upset is that they are "jealous that they did not think of it first". This is not a religious debate but a worrying commentary on the abuse of the poverty and ignorance to stay in power. I rage whenever I see such comments from our leaders as they prove time and again winning is all that matters not the people they are meant to be serving.

  • Christo - 2011-02-07 11:07

    I was under the impression that GOD had better things to do han checking out each and everyones voting ballads?? If this is all it takes to get into heaven, VIVA ANC!!!! VIVA!!!! Damn this is easy, GOD will forgive all my raping, murdering and stealing.... VIVA ANC. Just think how corupt heaven will be with all the ANC supporters and leaders up there, come to think of it, I'll rather go to hell then....

      JohannV - 2011-02-07 12:38

      Geen wonder die ander spanne se ondersteuners dink ons Bulle is 'n klomp kommin varke nie. Christo, gelukkig verskil ons twee se sienswyses hemelsbreed. Ek is seker jy is een van daai Bul-ondersteuners wat gesuip huis toe ry na 'n wedstryd en dan sy vrou verkrag oor hy dink hy is die macho man in die huis en dis sy reg?

      Mikea - 2011-02-07 13:23

      Absolutely. If these idiots ar all going to Heaven I will take hell galdly. At least there will be Humans and no corruption, theft and bribery.

  • FAL - 2011-02-07 11:08

    George you havent got the slightist clue what u saying. The ANC is the work of the DEVIL

  • Sedick - 2011-02-07 11:18

    Thank God for the ANC. Now as a Muslim I do not have to waste time in prayer, and go on Haj. I will just get an ANC card, and Heaven here I come. As a Christian, not sure why Jesus came, now that we know that an ANC card will get us to heaven, it seems that God made a mistake.......what a dufus for a president we have. The man never ceases to amaze, and fill one with deep concern........

  • Tiny1 - 2011-02-07 11:20

    I think we should give Zuma some credit. He has obviously found a way to get right something no other culture in the history has been able to achieve. The Egyptians tried it, so did many others, and that is to get an eathly item (his ANC membership card) past the gates of death. Love to see his face when it gets rejected though. I doubt if toy-toy, demands or a shower will help him at that point.

  • stofsuier - 2011-02-07 11:22

    A typical African James Dean "rebel without a clue"

  • Jeremy - 2011-02-07 11:22

    what a fkn idiot - they dont rely on doing their jobs properly - instead they try and trick superstitious people into voting for them... The ANC seems to need a miracle to do their jobs properly. Would have been awesome if he was hit by lightning, hopefully that shower head will conduct a lightning bolt and fry his ass.

  • Jeremy - 2011-02-07 11:24

    PLUS! I give Heaven 15 years and it will go to hell with the ANC there - Shift over Satan Im coming to surf on the lake of fire!

  • Christo - 2011-02-07 11:26

    I wonder if GOD knows that by giving the ANC entrance into heaven, he will stand the chance of loosing everything he has built since time began!! The ANC will demand for a democratic ellection to have a black "GOD" put in charge of heaven and then, well, look around you and do the math!!!!!!!

  • dracqlore - 2011-02-07 11:30

    God has put Jacob Zuma in power, Everything in this universe carries God's action. God warns that leaders especially will have to be accoutable for what they've done, so judgement might not be in this life.... but it will be nonetheless, If you are Christians then pray that the Grace of God will fill Jacob Zuma and Julius Malema, after all God converted Paul after he persecuted many Christian only to become one of the most amazing disciples we've ever had. I pray for JZ to be filled with the Holy Spirit, I pray that he's heart will be filled by the Gospel of grace. I pray that God's love will wash over him. I pray for all of this in Jesus name. Amen

  • robertgunning - 2011-02-07 11:30

    Again the ANC offers people something they can't deliver, all in the name of power. I feel sorry for the suckers that believe his lies. Although I'm all for freedom of speech, there is a difference when it comes to freedom to tell blatent lies. Not being at the meeting I'm not sure if he used this euphomsim in light hearted way or if he said it in a way in which he was trying to convince others. Regardless, lets see if he can deliver us to heaven..... I doubt it.

  • pointblankza - 2011-02-07 11:32

    I think all this does is show how far the gap between the ANC and the supporters has grown. THe ANC topp brass still see their supporters as rural, uneducated, easily misled and gulliable... To say an ANC card will get you into heaven cannot be taken seriously? Surely? Surely even rural dwellers can see that for yet another failed promise? For heavens sake JZ, promise them houses and electricity. At least that is more believeable, although never delivered.

  • tilovonbrandis - 2011-02-07 11:39

    Living under the ANC government is hell. That's maybe why the reward is heaven?

  • duanedrop - 2011-02-07 11:41

    These statements by the president are intimidation, pure and simple. vote for me or else.....[insert some nasty consequence] is this any different that vote for me or I will kill you or take away you house / rape your wife? Buying votes or intimidating voters is against the law. Zuma has broken the law by making these statements. clear and simple. In a way it is clever, no one will be able to do anything about anything the president says. He could jump up and down on a stage and do a dance without saying a word, since he is the president no one will question it....oh no wait!?

  • briansmith702 - 2011-02-07 11:48

    This is what you get when you appoint a Std. 2 herd boy, corrupt nogal, to head the state. A fool is always a fool. You cannot buy intelligence!! Unfortunately the electoarate is still so dumb as to not see it. Not long before another Tunisia or Egypt takes control here.

  • maydont - 2011-02-07 11:50

    Are we turning into a theocracy? Interestingly Zille reacted with some ecumenical rants herself, "There is only one God," ..and that God has given you a right to choose. Are the DA ostracising polytheists (like Buddhists and Hindus) and non-believers?

      dracqlore - 2011-02-07 12:11

      There is only 1 God he sent his son to die for our sins, thus creating eternal life for all... it's a fact and how do we know this is true? How did 11 men that where confused, scared and cowardly, become steady rocks 3 days later and after 40 years of persecution, mocking, flogging and jail time did not one of them change their tune until the last one died.

      Felix - 2011-02-07 15:14

      good point maydont, dracqlore try have an open mind...

  • Spade - 2011-02-07 11:51

    Our beloved President should have mentioned how quickly these card-carrying members would be given the opportunity to show their cards in heaven! Should have gone something like "Vote for the ANC, and very, very soon you will be in heaven! Poor service delivery, greedy politicians and AIDS will be killing you all off far sooner than you think!"

  • Gum - 2011-02-07 11:52

    It'so interesting to read these comments, most of them justifiably angry and incredibly scathing. Extraordinarily enough I don't feel anger but just an overwhelming sadness at being a citizen of a country that has such an single-minded moron for a president. Have we really fallen this far since the heady days of Mandela?

      HAYIKE - 2011-02-07 12:41

      you are free to leave.

      david.simpson.za - 2011-02-07 12:59

      Single-minded comment from Hayike.

      Mallyg - 2011-02-07 12:59

      You are a citizen of our country and so you have a right to remain and be ruled by a responsible government of integrity.

      Gum - 2011-02-07 13:26

      Hayike - I remember the idiotic bleat of supporters of the old nat party "if you don't like it, leave." Good one Hayike, you have managed to move nowhere forward since those ghastly old apartheid days - funny thing, in a way, you are like Zuma and the ANC, saying things without thinking

  • Mo - 2011-02-07 11:57

    And for more good news, yes its true, The Village People are staging a comeback,they have recruited a new member though, yes our own jacob zuma, he will be known as the village idiot with backing vocals from "do you know who I am" malema and disciple mthembu (knocking on heavens door)

  • obie.oberholster - 2011-02-07 12:05

    Well, if we have freedom of speech, I will exercise my freedom. The only way a card carrying ANC member who sleeps around outside of his marriage, who entertains communists (who are mostly atheists)as his allies, will get into heaven is if he breaks in while his "friends" are bribing the angels at the gates, or holding them at gunpoint!

      workonnet777 - 2011-02-07 12:32

      well said, Obie!

      Felix - 2011-02-07 15:16

      marriageS

  • HAYIKE - 2011-02-07 12:06

    yes we will all go to heaven my grand parents were ANC they are in heaven now, my parents were ANC they are also in heaven, I am ANC my childrens will be ANC my grand childrens will be ANC and so on and so on VIVA ANC vivaaaaaaa!!

      Spade - 2011-02-07 12:30

      Sounds like you have lost quite a few family members to "heaven" already...

      Mallyg - 2011-02-07 12:56

      Have another drink!

      david.simpson.za - 2011-02-07 13:01

      Could you please substantiate your claims as to who is in heaven and who is not..... This is a very marketable ability.

      thys.sutherland - 2011-02-07 14:56

      I am truly happy with you if your family is indeed in heaven, but am I sure that voting for the ANC is not what got them there, but rather what they did for others and in the name of our Lord. Supporting a government who is powerless and/or unwilling to act against offenses against the weakest of our society, will surely not get you into heaven. I'm not saying it will keep you out of it either, but NO MAN can get you a ticket to heaven - only the Holy Spirit can guide you on the right parth to Heaven.

      Felix - 2011-02-07 15:19

      Hayike-sounds like your children won't be allowed to make their own choices, much like you weren't. Sorry

      christfuck - 2011-02-07 16:44

      I saw them burning...maybe it was necklace??? Difficult to tell

  • WYNOT - 2011-02-07 12:13

    A question before I decide to join, will the ANC road to heaven be free of potholes?

      Ivan - 2011-02-08 13:05

      Can you imagine how much the tolls will be for that highway?

  • devanzlive - 2011-02-07 12:15

    Never argue with a fool, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-07 12:29

    IS THIS MAN FOR REAL ?!!!Surely this is some sort of joke, or are some South Africans as gullible & ignorant as this, to believe such absurdness. "Jacob, please use a shower cap, cos this is clearly a case of too much water in the cranial cavity". GOD , HELP US !

      HAYIKE - 2011-02-07 12:42

      he is for real, if you think you dreaming wake up. democracy is not a dream.

      antfrog668 - 2011-02-07 13:38

      Hayike you are as dumb as the scumbag you voted for.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-07 13:59

      Eish, democracy is certainly not a dream, but ol Jacob is a nightmare !!!

      HAYIKE - 2011-02-07 14:54

      @antfrog668 stop hating ANC is here to stay the sooner you realise the better, and then VOTE ANC. I live ANC breathe ANC eat ANC my life is ANC I am ANC uMkhonto wesizwe. Viva!!

      egontania - 2011-02-07 18:21

      HAYIKE, you are showing acute symptoms of ANCEMIA. I hope you find a cure boet!

  • GhengisKhan - 2011-02-07 12:49

    Cant wait for Desmond Tutu`s comment.......

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-07 12:50

    Cane: "You see what happens without a proper education?" Abel: "Ya, you can become president !" Cane: "Eish, Only in South Africa." Abel: "Yep, but please God forgive him for he knows not what he says."

  • inglorius b - 2011-02-07 12:52

    @George, Hellen Zille was a strong apartheid activist. God does not care about Government policies, only people who are born again and acknowldge Jesus as Lord and Saviour have eternal life. As the Bible says, "My people will perish because of ignorance". This could not be more true applied to all ANC supporters!!

  • Mallyg - 2011-02-07 12:54

    At least our President is dependable. He never fails to dissapoint us!

  • bill - 2011-02-07 13:00

    Jackson is a drunk and symbolic of the amoral trash in the ANC

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-02-07 14:41

      Jackson reeks of alcohol especially after lunch and he can be quite unstable & incoherent...

  • Emma Msiza - 2011-02-07 13:02

    I think politicians should stop mourning, rise up and come up with your own lines to coerce people. Who are they to judge!!

  • To The Point - 2011-02-07 13:04

    When reading all the idiotic comments made by ANC supporters to previous articles related to this topic and blaming everything on colonialism - one can clearly understand why other countries developed while Africa remained primitive. Only after it was colonised were people introduced civilised things such as, the wheel, roads, stone homes, bridges and industry. What baffles me if we all come from this so called ‘cradle of mankind’ why did the ones who stayed behind not develop beyond tribal warfare, stealing each others cattle and crops - raping each others woman and children and squatting behind a bush? The ‘brothers who migrated to the North were building secure structures – developing art and architecture – inventing things - running water –- building cities, had things moving on wheels and were wearing clothes? South Africa will return to its roots and blend in with the ghetto the rest of Africa has become since its de-colonisation. Not one African country has thrived since independence. I hope that when the new colonial masters 'the Chinese' occupy Africa they will be less patient with the stupidity that triumphs on this continent. Anyone ever see the film “AFRICA ADDIO "? It was made in the 60’s and they predicted this and worse things to come, that was 46 years ago. Africa will return to the primitive chaos it enjoyed before civilised man arrived.

  • Sean - 2011-02-07 13:04

    Oh my gods- does that mean that I am going to hell? Cos I dont have one of this assholes cards? I better repent and join them before I suffer eternal torment!!!Wataminnit, isnt that what we have under this mans rule?

  • Sean - 2011-02-07 13:07

    Oh my gods- does that mean that I am going to hell? Cos I dont have one of this assholes cards? I better repent and join them before I suffer eternal torment!!!Wataminnit, isnt that what we have under this mans rule?

  • Sean - 2011-02-07 13:08

    Oh my gods- does that mean that I am going to hell? Cos I dont have one of this assholes cards? I better repent and join them before I suffer eternal torment!!!Wataminnit, isnt that what we have under this mans rule?

  • JMan - 2011-02-07 13:14

    haha and this fool rules the country. what a flipping joke.