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Zuma's rise to power 'tantamount to coup'

2012-03-15 08:01

Johannesburg - Frank Chikane, who was former president Thabo Mbeki's director general, said President Jacob Zuma's rise to power was tantamount to a coup, according to a report on Thursday.

"If intelligence officers report outside government, that's the best recipe for coups [d'etat]," Chikane was quoted saying by The Times newspaper.

He was referring to the leaked intelligence spy tapes that led to Zuma's corruption charges being dropped just before the 2009 elections.

Chikane was speaking at the book launch of 'Eight Days in September: The Removal of Thabo Mbeki', in Sandton on Wednesday night.

According to the newspaper Chikane said leaking of the tapes to a "faction" in the ANC was dangerous and should not be repeated.

Chikane's book gave an inside account of what happened when the ANC decided to recall Mbeki in September 2008.

"It is about the conduct, the practice and behaviour," Chikane was quoted as saying.

"[It was about] experiences [we] should think carefully about that all of us are wounded."

ANC Youth League president Julius Malema was among some of the people who attended the launch, as well as Mbeki's former ministers Essop and Aziz Pahad.

Comments
  • Comrade - 2012-03-15 08:07

    WE KNOW........ Blind leading the blind

      Paul - 2012-03-15 08:20

      Mabeki was going after Zuna for R4.5M while at the same time he was calling Tony Blair a racist for not blocking a British investigation into R1Billion of bribes that investigators had proof of .....???????

      Sam - 2012-03-15 11:03

      @LN - that's 'to', buddy, not 'too'. Misspelling that is tantamount to not practising what you preach.

      Spyker - 2012-03-15 12:34

      In jail Alicia..? He should be facing the same firing squad as Malema...

      Spyker - 2012-03-15 14:55

      Alicia - it should be added/noted: Zuma simply refused to appear at the TRC hearings, to answer to a number of murders he was implicated- and/or connected with, during his short tenure at the helm of the ANC torture-camps in Angola. Few realise what the evil is that is now called the 'President of SA'. You have to ask yourself why the ANC insisted on making such an individual the President of the country. SA's constitution, has at least one serious, fundamental flaw: the country cannot vote for its own president.

      thulasizwe.mthethwa - 2012-03-15 16:46

      SA's constitution, has at least one serious, fundamental flaw: the country cannot vote for its own president. Skype, I don't think that is entirely true, when we vote we knew that if we Vote ANC then their president at the time will be President, now if you don't like Zuma then it simple means don't Vote Zuma, to me it seems that we have the right to vote for our own president. The flaws are not in the constitution as such, but rather the systems (Democracy), and it is a known fact that in South Africa the largest race by far is BLACK and by far the POOREST race hence they are very much vulnerable to what one would term "EMPTY PROMISES". South African Constitution is one of the BEST in the world.

      bluzulu - 2012-03-15 20:51

      @ Nigel, I agree with all but the last six words. There are good people coming through. Some are bad apples and will be weeded out as is currently happening. Don't just focus on the negative ,I think South Africa's history deserves a better chance to makes things right for the future.I suggest you stop looking at yourselves as Europeans' however as Africans' first then you will more accepting of other cultures. All over, South Africa, South African Black cultures respect each others differences however Europeans continue to look through frames focused from European standards perspective.An example, I see many comments calling President Zuma a polygamist however in my first 27 years of life in RSA I worked along side many Zulu men who had more than one wife, given most of these gents were from Rural areas and just worked in the city nevertheless I never looked down on them for that. Live in Africa as Africans' first.

  • giftmk - 2012-03-15 08:09

    I think its high time we progress. We have heard of this Chikane story for the past two weeks. In now support those who are for media regulation. We know why u have concentrated on one story. U hope to convince the public that Mbeki was right and Zuma is wrong. That is for us the public to decide.

      Koos - 2012-03-15 08:25

      Define "the public".

      Vuyolwethu Sanele Gqwaru - 2012-03-15 08:32

      Mbeki had his shortcomings I.e. Manto Tshabalala Msimang among many but he did some good too in his term in office, the economy was somewhat steady, then came along Zuma, whose only intent was/is to fill up his pockets, marry 100 wives at the expense of the state. And I still find it disturbing that he ever became president, on the basis that he participated in the struggle (HE WAS NOT FORCED, HE CHOSE) but now we are stuck with him whether we like it or not.

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-03-15 08:42

      @Koos are you gaga?

      Koos - 2012-03-15 08:48

      @Steen: If I'm part of his "We" then yes.

      Wendy - 2012-03-15 08:51

      Vuyolwethu ... you have hit the nail on its head.

      Leon - 2012-03-15 08:53

      what? how will the public decide if the media can't tell us about it. i suppose you'll take the politician's word?

      Mokoena - 2012-03-15 10:10

      its true bro the thing is anc and the masses of the country can decide enough with history now lets focus in the future finish and klaar

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 12:12

      Giftmk. For the public to decide. What a joke

      Sean - 2012-03-15 12:45

      @gift - why can't you make up your own mind instead of blaming the media? facts is facts.

  • Adam - 2012-03-15 08:10

    zuma is like a snake in the grass, and will be taken out that way. He has only been a burden to the country, and has brought disrepute to a rapidly crumbling anc.

  • Stephen - 2012-03-15 08:12

    We all Know that, what's Malema doing there? He was as big a part in Mbeki's, downfall than Zuma was.

      Alan - 2012-03-15 08:19

      yeah - but in African Politics ... Zuma has scorned Juju, so Juju is trying to get Zuma out. Vavi has has a fall out with the ANC, and Juju (his old ally) is right beside Vavi. Vavi is criticising the ANC, and busting up the Tri-partite agreement. Some people (like me) are backing Vavi on the tolls. Is Vavi for real, or is he using us against the ANC on popular issues? Will the ANC be able to kick Juju out? It's very possible that Juju has as much dirt on them, as they have on him. Does Juju have any point of view, or does he just float with the wind to try to keep up his power and lifestyle? Crazy days, I tell you. How refreshing it would be to have clean governanace!

      Morama - 2012-03-15 08:43

      ANC politics are like that....backstabbing!!! Remember Malema was charged for comparing Thabo and stupid polygamist Zuma?

      braamc - 2012-03-16 06:26

      Malema is there to learn to read books

      Alan - 2012-03-16 08:06

      @Braam - KFCJuju went into a book shop last week and asked if they had any books on how to read.

  • Nigel - 2012-03-15 08:16

    Of course it was, Cosatu & to a much lesser extent, the baby league, got rid of Mbeki & put in Zuma, now they realize that they put the wrong muppet into power & now they are planning the next soft coup, meanwhile the country suffers while these imbeciles make one cock-up after the next, you wonder why we vote, when the country is held to ransom by 5000 people. But the sheep keep following each other & vote for this stupid, corrupt, inept party.

      Stephen - 2012-03-15 08:23

      I can smell it coming , another coup.

      Thabo Edwin Makoele - 2012-03-15 10:06

      So who do you suggest we vote for DA, they are as much part of this craziness as the others. DA are also oppotunist, always back stabbing ANC to gain more ground. Unfortunately this is how politics go my brother. The DA is as much a political party as the ANC as corrupt if not worse, I dare the ppl of SA to vote them in to see. They only push what can get them into office there afterwards, they forget about the public.

      Mokoena - 2012-03-15 10:19

      the thing is my brother besides what iam going to say, dont be offended but the trueth is the sheep will continue to folllow even do south africa is for us all iam a member of the ancyl and anc so the vission here is to save guard the power and bbee forever couse we never had a chance to share wealth and its better to update step by step the anc has the final dicissions in every thing in this country that why they have many seats papa. in paliament

      Danny - 2012-03-15 11:36

      @Thabo You make me laugh! The Western Cape is first world compared to the rest of the country, so let reassess where the corruption lies hey? In the western cape we can see where out tax money goes i.e. infrastructure! I study at Stellenbosch and soon there will be free wifi for everyone in the town (the only place in the country and Africa). That is testament to a working municipality who gives back to the public. Don't judge when u have no idea.... Name one thing the ZUMA has done for u!

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 12:16

      Thabo, please supply us with the information regarding corruption in the DA. It's their job to question the ANC, what you want them to do?. Lie down like you all did?.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 12:20

      Mokoena, it sadens me that you have to go through life with such bad English. If that is the kind of education your holy ANC think their young people are worthy of then shame on them and shame on you for being satisfied with it. All you want to do is share wealth, what are you prepared to do for it?.

      gbbfg - 2012-03-15 15:59

      Mokoena... safeguard BEE forever? You do realise that by suggesting the BEE should be safeguarded forever, rather than as a transition, you are suggesting that black people are not as capable as others. That sounds very racist to me.

      Danny - 2012-03-16 09:00

      @Mokoena BEE forever?? We live in a country where the minority is discriminated against! Surely purely by numbers black people will get more jobs anyway?

      Mzamo - 2012-03-16 09:37

      I understand your anger but i dont think you have to be that rude and compare people with sheeps,most people still see anc as the only liberation party but it is gradually changing as people become more and more informed. one day we shall overcome, nothing last forever.

  • Glyn - 2012-03-15 08:20

    @ - Frank Chikane - Time you voted DA, to give the anc a big fright! If all disgruntled anc supporters vote DA it will put a fireworks under the anc oligarchs bums! Give them a huge shock! Get action! Deliver! @ Everybody else - Time everybody voted DA to get the anc incompetents (nearly said incontinents!) out of government in a democratic way! Let South Africa SING!! Viva South Africa! Viva DA!

      Tshifhiwa - 2012-03-15 08:44

      I am afraid that is not going to happen in our life time chana.

      johnnymacza - 2012-03-15 09:21

      DA will leave us in troubled waters.

      Bob - 2012-03-15 09:27

      Glyn, my thoughts exactly, I believe the average South African could care less what the ruling party's name is, we all just want a fair government that concentrates it's efforts on sorting out corruption, crime, health and education instead of filling it's pockets with our hard earned tax contributions, so I agree, give the DA a chance to prove they can keep to their word and address the problem areas, if they don't then we vote them out after four years, why blindly follow an obviously useless corrupt party that does no good for all but a very few elite people of the country, the country belongs to the people of South Africa not the government that is elected in.

      Thabo Edwin Makoele - 2012-03-15 10:14

      DA is only pushing what can get them into office there afterwards, they will forget about the public. An example is Cape Town, colored ppl that side are not being looked after only the city which didnt need that much work anyway. The worse thing is that, DA like ANC support big business than the general public hence the slow progress. They are all vultures

      Bob - 2012-03-15 10:56

      Thabo, you are wrong, the majority of people in CT support the DA, thats why they are elected, besides looking after buisness, large or small, is paramount to the success of the country, it is buisness that generates wealth for the economy and employment for the citizens of the country, how else can a country survive and prosper, marching and striking and complaining doesn't put food in your mouth or a roof over your head.

  • Phumi - 2012-03-15 08:26

    This book is just another attempt by those who were defeated in Polokwane to try and rule this country from the grave. The book itself is tantamount to a coup and nothing more! This country has far more pressing issues in its plate like Nationalising the mines and land expropriation without compensation on its plate. Than to worry about conspiracy theories and other James Bond novels!

      Gordon - 2012-03-15 08:41

      If we understand the people and reasons behind these ill-concieved "pressing issues" we can deal with them appropriately. Gangsters and thugs do not deserve the public platform we have given them. The intellectuals of the ANC's have been chased out, replaced by know-nothings and thieves. Very very sad.

      Deon - 2012-03-15 09:22

      We have enough criminals in the country and will not legalise theft, not in a thousand years.

      david.lebethe - 2012-03-15 09:27

      I fully agree, my maat, there are too many things to deal with than entertain intra-political party issues. I mean, some of us long expressed ourselves about the fact, that the removal of a sitting president is a coup. It's just that in our case, it was bloodless. Just like you, I don't see why should we be pre-occupied with Chikane's book and when it doesn't raise new issues and when we should instead be formulating better foreign affirs and economic policiers. We should be dealing with a ridicule cast upon us by Nigeria not so long ago and pondering Indigenous clause that was recently introduced to foreign companies doing trade in that country.

      Jacqui - 2012-03-15 12:22

      Phumi, you have read it then?. If not, how stupid to comment.

      Maredi - 2012-03-15 14:23

      You sound like a Zulu, Phumi. I got news for you: This whole Zulufication of South Africa thing is going to end in Mangaung. We are finally going to make womanizer Zuma taste his own medicine.

  • Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 08:28

    since Zuma came in lot of things changed and our country is getting better,also ZUMA and his administration they trying to save this country from ppl like malema bt you guys you dislike him, oneday you wil rember him,pple like malema destroying this country with nationalistn and others

      pws69 - 2012-03-15 08:34

      Zuma is on record as saying the ANC is more important than the constitution. For that statement alone he, and the ANC, will NEVER have my support.

      Tommy - 2012-03-15 08:35

      Hi Eric, meet Phumi...Phumi, this is Eric - he is also ANC, but doesn't speak the same political language as you.

      Vuyolwethu Sanele Gqwaru - 2012-03-15 08:37

      Zuma? Trying to save the country? What have you been smoking? Both he and Malema are what's wrong for this country

      Nigel - 2012-03-15 09:02

      Eric, I HATE Malema, of this there is no doubt, but I am unable to support a man that should never have been made President in the 1st place, I think Mr Zuma's legacy will be the example of corruption that he set for his government & "black" business.

      Vuyolwethu Sanele Gqwaru - 2012-03-15 09:08

      While still on Malema, the only reason Zuma FINALLy took action against Malema was because Malema was publicly criticising his administration. Don't make it sound like he did the country a favour, he was trying to save his own skin because I'm sure he still remembers how Mbeki was recalled

      Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 09:15

      Guy do you believe that man can change if he was wrong,at this stage there is anythng that Zuma does which is wrong?even if malema can change he can lead this country.it is not that i saw you yesterday drunk today i call you drunkards while you no longer drink.

      Malcolm - 2012-03-15 09:29

      @Eric - Yes if he worked hard at it for 10 years, went to university, worked a hard real job for a while he probably could change. Changing over the timespan of a year, while living the life of luxury at our expense? Forget about it, thats absurd.

      john.jacobs16 - 2012-03-15 10:15

      eric you are damn right, more people are now on ARVs is that not an achievement, matric pass rate has improved ,is that not an achievement, more people on corruption have been convicted, now cosatu have formed their corruption watchdog if there are good as their word they must bring an allegations to the courts and the law takes its course like the selebi case

      Mokoena - 2012-03-15 10:26

      ZUMA HAS GOOD ADMINISTRATION LOOK AT OUR PROVINCE FS ACE MAKHASHULE IS A HARD WORKER AS WELL OPERATION HLASELA, NATRIONAL PROGRAMS LIKE EXPANDED PUBLIC WORKS EVEN DO ITS SKILL TRANSFERE, LOL SO MANY THINKS ARE TAKING PLACE, NATIONALISATION IS FINE LETS HAVE SHARE IN THE MINES WHY NOT HAVE SHARE IN OUR MINES, BUT MY FEAR IS ONE THERE MUST BE ENOUGH TRAINING BEFORE THE POLICY CAN BE IMPLEMENTED I DONT WISH TO C MINES LIKE SOME FARMS THAT DOES NOT PRODUCE ANYTING AND IS JUST A TRY LANDS

      Regan - 2012-03-15 10:44

      zuma is the worst president that could EVER happened to the anc

      Nkulekweni - 2012-03-15 10:58

      Sjhoo Eric Mfethu ...you and I must live in completely different planets. By the way did you see the news this mornign... Aurora mine workers being given food by the Gift of the givers?

      Maredi - 2012-03-15 14:26

      History will judge us badly for allowing ourselves to be ruled by such a useles man. What exactly has improved Shaku,huh? corrution, yes. they are no longer stealing but taking, especially Zulus.

      gbbfg - 2012-03-15 16:03

      I wanted to reply to Eric Mdudus Shaku in a proper manner, but I could only come up with the following: LOL

      Eric Mdudus Shaku - 2012-03-15 21:01

      askies for my spelling and my grammar,it just that commenting through cellphone not cool

  • Lebogang - 2012-03-15 08:39

    As per the ANC; we do need a second transition, I fully agree. The problem is that the ANC is too broad a church to lead this secondary transition; there are too many fundamental differences between communists, capitalists and opportunists in the ANC. In my opinion the ANC will tear itself to pieces with countless coups before it can lead this country to prosperity. The only solution is the emergence of credible leaders within society, but outside the ANC to drive the SECOND TRANSITION.

      Nigel - 2012-03-15 09:10

      The ANC never developed from a revolutionary movement into a government, hence the broad "alliance" that is basically 3 parties in one, Central left democrats (ANC & SACP), Social democrats (Cosatu) & right wing militant (ANCYL). Thats why there is no delivery & rampant corruption, the revolution is over, now its time (since 1994) to govern, which they are unable to do.

      rory.short1 - 2012-03-15 12:03

      Absolutely, Lebogang, but the leadership can only emerge from you and I and the rest of society nowhere else. So the question to each one of us is, what am I doing to prepare myself to lead at the level at which I am capable? Because a successful society needs leaders of high moral calibre at every level. Moral calibre is like a muscle, it has to be exercised to become functional as has been so superbly demonstrated by Nelson Mandela.

  • malcolm - 2012-03-15 08:45

    He should have been jailed. Not made president. A mafia style rogue of the worst kind.

      Vuyolwethu Sanele Gqwaru - 2012-03-15 08:51

      Well, he has made sure that will never happen, got rid of the scorpions, proposed the information bill to ensure his indiscretions are never made public, appointed what's his name as Head Judge. So I'd say he's all set, SA is his playground

      kmangi - 2012-03-15 10:20

      you got to admit who ever is advising him is doing a very good job...

      Tony - 2012-03-15 12:00

      @kmangi you make a good point...his advisors have been tactically brilliant. Imagine they. Could work for the country rather than JZ?

  • Piet - 2012-03-15 08:52

    And now we have a dictatorship!

      Paul - 2012-03-15 11:14

      Rubbish ... if we had a dictatorship the police would have being at your door already!!

  • George - 2012-03-15 08:55

    This is a concerted effort to popularise the otherwise dull book. Supporters and allies of Mbeki will always try to demonise our beloved Showerhead because they all wanted to cling to power. I guess they were still enjoying the gravy and they didn’t want to let go. They are the ones who divided the ANC. They still continue to divide by spreading stupid lies around. The likes of Frank and COPE idiots are just bad leaders.

      Maredi - 2012-03-15 14:32

      Mpaketsane samma, tla ke go botse fa ge e le gore ga se wa hlwa o lemoga selo. This whole Zulufying of South Africa has to be stopped. The man (Zuma) is clueless and has to go with his crowd of Zulu thieves.

  • Lewis - 2012-03-15 09:00

    Gee, what took everyone so long to figure this one out? Maybe now that the 'thieves' seem to be falling out, the circumstances surrounding the death of Mbeki's bodyguard will surface?

  • Trevor Mashilo - 2012-03-15 09:08

    Wel done Rev Chikane,expose doz corrupt ANC officials.......unfortunately the book is sold out,i wanted one for myself!Y should dey want to refuse him to lauch a book which tells abt his Experiance nt Mantashe's experiance.

  • Andre - 2012-03-15 09:19

    Why was Hulley never prosecuted for being in posession of illegal classified tapes? It was clearly a conspiracy. Just based on the evidence provided in the Shaik case, Zuma could have been found guilty of corruption. He is clearly out of his depth and as weak a leader as can oimagine. He created an opportunity for others around him, just as corrupt to run this beutiful country into the ground.

  • mmudzielwana - 2012-03-15 09:20

    I do not see why Chikane is doing this. It is purely publicity stunts. People like him should not be seen doing this at the time when we need to unite the ANC. Timing for his book is very destructuve however his opinion should have been that of a leader who wishes to build. South Africans should be careful of people who sits in offices and believe they cannot be removed because when removed they are bitter and will tell whole lot of rubbish. I am a young South African who cannot benefit from all the irresponsible statements of people who seeks my vote to have a life. We need people who acknowledges yesterday but shape the tomorrow. ANC must realise that many people will decide not to vote if the internal issues do not get sorted once and for all. Our Journalist must also refuse to be used as Public Relations for defamation in exchange for sale of newspaper. We need to grow up in this country

      Malcolm - 2012-03-15 09:39

      If only the ANC leadership consisted entirely of sensible people like you, imagine how great this country would be

      giftmk - 2012-03-15 09:44

      Chief i cant agree more. If only i could multiply you by 45 million

      Fanie - 2012-03-15 14:01

      The book is meaningless unless it is made available in all official languages to the masses who matter when it's voting time.

  • Pieter - 2012-03-15 09:27

    @LN - tantamount - "equivalent in seriousness to". Zuma's rise to power 'tantamount to coup' - Zuma's rise to power equivalent to coup. I don't see the problem here...??? Care to enlighten us?

  • Mc - 2012-03-15 09:34

    Juju was his planning his own coup d'etat on Zuma. How history likes repeating itself!!!

  • Bonakele - 2012-03-15 09:46

    Mbeki once said History will judge whether I was good or bad and now what happens. He is smiling. thanks for not fighting back Mbeki History is now judging

  • Themba Majawonke Ntuli - 2012-03-15 09:55

    someone must wash mbeki's feet as a forgiveness plea gersture.

  • Tmaub - 2012-03-15 10:00

    I can see from this end that even that book that is due to be published is full of deceit. When asked about Mbeki's contribution on the birth of Cope,Chikane did not come clean. Where has he been all this time? Ntate Chikane the last time I checked your title was Moruti. Stop confusing us pls.

  • Mokoena - 2012-03-15 10:07

    too soon to judge our president people, we cant just jump in to conclusions

      Gomo-Leide Banks Tshoke - 2012-03-15 10:16

      Are you saying that the S.A we live in today is the same when Mbeki was president??? You can see that there is a huge gap between Mbeki and Zuma. And Mbeki is better.

      Maredi - 2012-03-15 14:35

      What do you mean too soon. It is rather too late. the man is useless and must go.

      Tasmee - 2012-03-15 19:49

      Why do people attempt to reason with this person! Wow! I didnt know the level of intellect on news24 had dropped so low. Shocking! Nothing this person says reflects applied thought and logic. Just absolute rubbish, one cannot even attempt to put forward an articulated response.

  • Gomo-Leide Banks Tshoke - 2012-03-15 10:08

    I don't have much to say..but I know 'he' was not supposed to be our president...look at RSA now. He ain't doing a damn thing about it,and his cabinet is NO COMMENT.

      john.jacobs16 - 2012-03-15 10:23

      south africa was better in which way during mbeki time, the problems with some of you lack the ability to assess goverment perfomance hence you make these misinformed comments

      Tasmee - 2012-03-15 19:54

      I agree with Gomo. I do have the ability to assess the current government's performance. Every tax paying citizen can see where there money is going.I see it every day in the failure of the health care system, in the absolute and total decline of the education system, etc and off course all the corruption allegations in the media...on a daily basis. Just because you believe your government is doing well, does not mean the rest of us as independent thinkers need to agree with you.

  • Carry - 2012-03-15 10:09

    The people who voted for the anc will hopefully soon see how much this government is robbing the people - and give him a coup of his own. When a people of a country say no to the info bill, eskom's continuous hikes, the scourge called the toll gates, etc ........... and the anc just continues to think they can whitewash an entire nation, deserves all that is coming it's way. The current situation in Africa, like Egypt, Nigeria, etc. is not proving to be the example it should be. These people just don't want to learn.

  • john.jacobs16 - 2012-03-15 10:27

    i think zuma has also done well in a number of areas 1. more people are now on hiv drugs, 2.rural health care has improved more clinics were build in rural areas3.education has general improved look at matric pass rate compared to mbeki era,the list is endless ,it is important to note that his critics such as cosatu vavi are bitter simple because they expected to get cabinet jobs when zuma came to power which didnt happen

      Maredi - 2012-03-15 14:37

      have you bee awarded a tender Mr. Jacobs? you sound like a praise singer.

      Matthew - 2012-03-15 15:35

      The pass rate is only higher because the standard of assessment is lower. Our 1st year Eng Lit class in '08 produced the lowest ever 1st semester results and our lecturer's view was that this was a reflection of the quality of our high school education, not of the quality of students themselves. I tend to agree.

      Tasmee - 2012-03-15 19:57

      Yes john.jacobs look at the matric pass rate. 30% is considered a pass. What we end up with is hundreds of matriculants who are unemployable and cannot understand basic english or maths. Why then are the unemployment figures so high? I await in anticipation your well articulated and reseached response.

  • eradingoana - 2012-03-15 10:45

    Surely Malema might have been happy but why is he refusing to step down quietly like a cat?

  • Johnnie - 2012-03-15 11:03

    Funny that the Reverend did not say anything at the time, or was he scared he would lose his job.

  • rory.short1 - 2012-03-15 11:46

    Unless you have people of high moral calibre in leadership positions then this kind of thing is inevitable. The trouble is when leadership is elected then the voters need to be able to assess the moral calibre of the candidates and unfortunately their ability to do so is not necessarily a given.

      Cracker - 2012-03-15 11:53

      That is one of the reasons we need a free, unfettered media. Without it the only knowledge we will have of the character and background of politicians and other grabbers of opportunity will be their own word. How much is that worth to us?

  • Tony - 2012-03-15 11:57

    Coup d'état, political solution, revolution - call it what you will, Zuma has done no favours for anyone but himself. Question is, will the electorate learn from this? I'm not so sure.

      Fanie - 2012-03-15 13:57

      The book was published in English and the electorate will never know or understand its content's!!

  • Jacqui - 2012-03-15 12:11

    Julius Malema shows up everywhere even at a launch of a book too highbrow for him. Mbeki, Zuma or what ever, all out for self glorification and stuff the rest of us.

  • johann.grobler - 2012-03-15 12:37

    I was at the book launch. This is not what was said and this article is misleading. Chikane said that when government security forces are used outside of their line of duty and handlers, especially for factions, it is a breeding ground for a coup...

      Tony - 2012-03-15 13:40

      If you say so, but the like it or not, you can forgive News24, or anyone for that matter getting it wrong judging by where we are today.

  • paul.prinsloo3 - 2012-03-15 13:02

    No, for Pete's sake, don't leak anything to with government, the stench will overwhelm you.

  • Fanie - 2012-03-15 13:52

    Whilst Mbeki was arguably one of the greatest statesman to have led SA, I still think Pres J. Zuma deserves my compliments for engineering what now appears to have been a coup from an extreme position of disadvantage. Where in the world can you amass enough votes to become a President of a modern democracy whilst facing all sorts of illicit allegations? For that and that alone I say "give that man a Bells"... If he was educated, I would be tempted to call him one the greatest strategist ....

  • Vernon - 2012-03-15 16:00

    frank....getting some free advertising space here....heh

  • Hugh - 2012-03-15 18:53

    When do we ever find our who leaked the tapes? Hulley should have nevr had the tapes.

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-15 20:08

    NONSENSE

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-15 20:12

    This entrepreneur is just getting sales up. Calm down you Negative lot. Move on. Wasting your lives complaining while the planet's turning.

  • Gerhardus - 2012-03-15 21:06

    Zuma is a very clever political player. Especially without any formal education.

  • marina.poniatowska - 2012-03-15 21:31

    So in otherwords - it was tantamount for everyone to see being corrupt pays.

  • Econwald - 2012-03-15 21:36

    there is a lot we don't know

  • Craig - 2012-03-16 07:45

    JZ738 for another term??? I hope not...

  • Bambanani - 2012-03-16 14:44

    chikane must move on with his life,holding grudges because you lost in limpompo is not good for his health,cde mbeki has move and accepted,and chikane is crying trying to convince whoever believe him that mbeki was robbed,we all know what happen,he lost election in limpompo.

  • rowen.loretz - 2012-03-17 20:21

    democracy in africa does not work! only a small margin understands how it works and the masses get exploited by the elite. Not that apartheid was better , but at least people understood it.

  • mzondistanley - 2012-06-21 16:33

    The Reveland, in his observation could be right in his assessment about Polokuane but there is a big difference between being an observer of things unfolding and taking decisions right away and things unfolded during his time in Office and helped with the benefit of Hind sight he sees that it incorrect to change power through pressure from Gangs of Crime eg Julius Malema with vision that they did harm to the of Governance, yet and this is a big Question mark to anybody who worked and got Instructions from Mbeki at this point in time without recognising that Court cases against Zuma took almost 9 years and the President stood on the opposite side of the Fence in a case of Political infighting based on Nothing but Hatred of a Political contender for the Parties Leadership!!! What matters most in this case is the reaction of the Leader of the ANC in time of pressure. Sex innuendoes were very common against Zuma as a Poli of the high, Succession is what made Mbeki to FALL fro GRACE!! He did not want to leave the Leadership of the ANC!! This is on record!! The Reverand part of the Group which made Intellegence Officer to report the Trueth as it appeared in there records about the President's Autocratic out Bursts to Scorpion officers on what to do with Zuma! So People in Intelligence circles choose to reveal outside Chain of Command in order to SHAME THE INCUMBENT! This was Hatred based Tribal Centments on the contender of the Presidency of both ANC and The State.

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