News24

2 080 lashes for Saudi who raped daughter

2011-12-10 22:36

Riyadh - An official Saudi newspaper says a man convicted of raping his daughter has been sentenced to receive 2 080 lashes over the course of a 13-year prison term.

The court in the holy city of Mecca found the man guilty of raping his teenage daughter for seven years while under the influence of drugs.

The Okaz newspaper reported on Saturday that the man will receive the lashes in stages throughout his prison sentence. The man's name was not published.

Saudi religious police say the girl's uncle tipped them off to the crime.

Lashing is one of the penalties available to the clerics who serve as judges in Saudi Arabia and issue rulings according to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islamic law.

Comments
  • cameronjohnprice - 2011-12-10 23:00

    I would love to see rapists in SA get the same kind of punishment.

      hadedah - 2011-12-11 08:30

      Definately that law should be installed in our laws.

      Gerda - 2011-12-11 11:08

      Yes I agree, but all the lashes at one time and not over a period. Bet he will have a sore back for a very looooooooooooong time.

      Grant - 2011-12-11 11:22

      @Gerda - that would kill him long before he received his full quota. Dish out enough to take him close to life threatening, let him recover and dish out the next batch, etc, etc. That's punishment

  • Cracker - 2011-12-10 23:09

    There is a limit to everything. Clerics and religion tend not to recognize it. Too self-satisfying and selfish to satisfy their deity's and their own cruel tendencies.

      Rashaad Hendricks - 2011-12-10 23:31

      Deitys dont know where u get your info but as muslims they believe in god same as you.... I hope

  • Gollum - 2011-12-10 23:16

    2080...not 2000. Really curious what the 80 were for.

      Gerda - 2011-12-11 11:09

      to balance their books.

      Mike - 2011-12-11 14:17

      If he does not get the message with the 2000 the 80 is for good measure.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2011-12-11 14:56

      4% VAT on 2000

  • Sulakasana - 2011-12-10 23:46

    less than a lash a day. too lenient for this monster.

      Bokfan - 2011-12-11 10:29

      Muslims are merciful

      Bokfan - 2011-12-11 10:30

      Sorry i meant Mulsims are merciful?

      Bokfan - 2011-12-11 10:31

      Sorry what I actually meant is that this may be a model of muslim mercy.

      Yusuf - 2011-12-11 10:32

      bokfan,stick to rugby.for you everything else is out of touch

  • Michael - 2011-12-11 01:55

    There is a case of an man sentenced to 5000 lashes for "insulting Islam" While the punishment for rape is very appropriate, the disproportionate punishment for a casual slip of the tongue, or for maybe holding his wife's hand in public (not sure what the insult was)if he is indeed guilty, and not just being punished for being Australian, you have to wonder about their priorities. If anything, it should be 5000 lashes for the rapist, and half that for the "insult to islam" Which could be anything that gets the back up of these archaic neanderthals

      Ismail - 2011-12-11 06:46

      According to every religion, God is more important than Man. He is the master and we are the slave.

      Michael - 2011-12-11 12:57

      Jesus came to serve Ismail, not to be served.

  • msmuhammedy - 2011-12-11 04:55

    This punishment is not enough, he suppose to be hanged or exicuted because he did the worse thing with his own daughter.

  • Fawzia - 2011-12-11 06:25

    SORRY BUT THIS MAN NEEDS THE DEATH SENTENCE, NOTHING LESS. I AM NOT GOING TO MINCE MY WORDS. CRACKER ARE YOU IN THE SAME LEAGUE?

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 08:32

      You mean the rape league? You are sick in your head. Your kind of twisted assessment is what human civilization needs to be protected against and in fact cleansed of.

  • Silvana - 2011-12-11 06:38

    There are many Islamic laws I totally disapprove of, but when it comes to punishing criminals, they're tops. Well done Saudi Arabia. Unfortunately in their eyes, the girl is tainted. So marriage is highly unlikely for her.

  • Robbie - 2011-12-11 07:18

    Dear God. If you are out there please can you read this artical on news 24 and implement the same law here in South Africa for these animals that harm our children.

  • Deon - 2011-12-11 07:29

    Shocking!!! Make it 5 000 lashes!

  • treatwell - 2011-12-11 08:00

    Imagine if this law was implemented in s.a surely the rap rate would decline. I urge news 24 to make a poll about this rule and let's see what the people say

      Garth - 2011-12-11 09:20

      I also hate `rap', but to give someone lashes for rapping is a bit excessive, don't you think :p

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 09:32

      Depends who the rapper is Garth. Jub Jub comes to mind.

  • Werner Barnard - 2011-12-11 08:03

    I think this type of punishment will sort out some of our problems in South Africa!!!

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 08:09

      I agree 100%. Please can I be the first to apply for the lashers job.

  • hadedah - 2011-12-11 08:36

    Pardon me but I am not to sure about what the difference is between Muslim and Islam, as there was a very interesting program on SABC last night on Russia which has so it says the largest population of Muslims, with schools and higher education?

      Garth - 2011-12-11 09:49

      a muslim is a devotee of the religion called islam.

  • Andriette - 2011-12-11 08:55

    There are too many rapists and child molesters who just get away with minimal sentencing or a slap on the wrist. This guy should be castrated with a rusted blade and left to suffer from blood poisoning...

  • Chris - 2011-12-11 09:05

    Moer hom. Hy wil mos.

  • Herman - 2011-12-11 09:20

    Get some!

  • taahir.hoorzook - 2011-12-11 09:23

    Seems Most people commenting here are happy with the implementation of the Saudi understanding of Sharia Law.... this is what the Taliban wanted to do! most news 24 readers would have been calling these guys terrorists. I am confused with regards to the love hate relationship that exists here.

      Garth - 2011-12-11 09:53

      Stop putting words onto other peoples posts. They are citing their agreement with a baby-rapist getting an almost fitting punishment and wishing that some of that justice could be meted out to the perpetrators of SA's national sport too.

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 10:09

      @ Garth -well said,tks for helping out with taahir's confusion.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 10:29

      He is not putting words in the posts. If you want this type of unthinking and just plain excessive cruelty in our legal system you might as well go all the way and let irrationality take over completely.

      Walter - 2011-12-11 16:49

      Jip, seems this application also shows some confusion. When we punish people like animals, they will remain animals. You cannot scare people into religion. TO much crime being committed in the name of religion. Merciful God? Muslim or Christianity? Religion to often exploit peoples fears.

  • Gail - 2011-12-11 09:32

    Now this is what we need in South Africa!

  • Comrade - 2011-12-11 09:57

    SEND OUR RAPISTS TO MECCA

      desertratbkf - 2011-12-11 11:51

      And murderers, and thieves (which include half our government!) I don't want to get political here. Not the place, but I lived in the area for nearly a decade. Never felt safer ANYWHERE in the world, because you know what your up for should you do ANY of these hideous crimes!

  • march54 - 2011-12-11 09:59

    Usually in terms of Sharia Law he would be executed. His poor daughter now has no future.

      CyberDog Breath - 2011-12-11 11:08

      @march54: yeah, there goes all her slave privileges, now she may not even cook or clean for some self righteous jerk. Im not sure how much of a future she had to begin with. However i do commend the punishment. If they would put that punishment on the menu in south africas courts, it may actually act as a deterent. However the problems in south africa start with the whole law system, not just the punishments

  • Thozi - 2011-12-11 10:42

    I don't go with all the Saudi Laws (of Retribution), but this could be something very valuable that we could adopt in SA. You can imagine while the lashes are being administered, a few good ones land on the "offending rod", destroying its effectiveness completely.

  • Enlightened - 2011-12-11 11:18

    well, we'd have some rather high ranking fellows strapped on the bench. Wouldn't we?

  • Terence - 2011-12-11 11:52

    By the time this convict is released he will surely be stark, barking MAD. Imagine waiting over a period of 13 years for the next "dose" of corporal punishment. His crime is indeed heinus but the punishment is truly sick.

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 12:07

      No Terence,what he did was sick. The only problem with the punishment is too few lashers.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 12:28

      In fact, on re-consideration, a hell of a lot more sick. Like quite a number of other commentators here.

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 12:43

      @Cracker reading your above comments you sound like you don't disapprove with this mans actions. I would never leave my son anywhere alone near you.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 13:09

      @ Robbie You clearly suffer from a reading / comprehension defect. But be assured, if your son was given the same sentence or type of sentence you would not be talking your cr.p here.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 13:21

      In fact Robbie, now one can make the assumption that you don't even trust yourself with your own children. You would like the kind of punishment to apply so that it can keep you on the narrow and straight. It is now becoming obvious. Lack of trust, my friend. Even in yourself.

      Garth - 2011-12-11 13:26

      There is a crack-pot on this forum with no understanding of the righteous anger of the South African people. If you are so infallible, so righteous, so pure, what is the punishment that you would deem fit for a crime such as this? This sick thing has destroyed his daughter with his disease. Now get on your podium and shout out your preferred sentence for a crime such as this. Come on smelly little `crack', give us the benefit of your sagacity. If some woman is ever unfortunate enough to breed with you and this unlikely union creates a daughter, what would you wish upon her? Yourself?

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 13:59

      No, Garth. I represent some reason and am not given to wish lists. I observed first hand the administering of corporal punishment. I know what I saw. I will refrain from stating the effect it has not only on the recipients. Go read the Concourt's decision on the subject. As for being smelly, your problem. Not mine.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 14:01

      Oh yes, it was in my official capacity that I made the observances.

      Garth - 2011-12-11 14:06

      Don't believe you.

      Yurak - 2011-12-11 14:43

      @cracker, everytime I see one of your posts I immediately put you down for a thumbs down, and then I read your comment and I have to say that not once have I had to change my decision.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 14:47

      Quite frankly Garth, whether you believe me or not makes no difference to the topic. If you would care to read the Concourt and other decisions you might get a sense of what I observed. What I want to really say to you is that you represent the sh.t side of humanity in your psyche. Also a very retarded and unrealistic outlook on life and reality. I did not advocate the exoneration of the rapist. It was about the silly religious mind in operation that I commented. I am now more than ever convinced that it would even be wiser to support even a repressive communist regime than a religiously based one. We perhaps really need to consider how to get the religionists out of every sphere of rulership. The are an abomination on this earth. As much as their satan is. Both they and their god(s) and satan(s) should just vanish. Anybody who even contemplates 2000 and something lashes - and that over a period of years - is evil and those that support it, is just as evil. See, even us non-believers can formulate our special branch of evil.

      Mike - 2011-12-11 14:52

      Cracker, I have difficulty determining who the real monsters are reading these comments. This girl is lucky that she wasn't raped by her neighbour otherwise she would have been given the lashes and forced to marry her rapist. The comments made here make me think I am reading a bronze age forum....hard to believe we are in the 21st century. I'd give the father a life sentence with no parol and a load of hard labour.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 15:14

      @ Yurak Fascinating. Please share some of your other personal quirks too.

  • cowbwouy - 2011-12-11 12:15

    A system were the victim has more rights than the accused. In South Africa the accused certainly has more rights; and when he is loaded with cash then it's another story.

  • Passionate.Parrot - 2011-12-11 12:35

    So sad that this father started raping his own daughter from the age of 5 years. How was this possible to go undetected for 7 years, where was her mother? One good thing though is the punishment he has been awarded, if only SA could follow suite, and treat rape, especially of little children more harshly.

  • Bounca363 - 2011-12-11 12:52

    Im glad news24 never generalised the statement and rather said ".....to the kingdom's strict interpretation of Islamic law." There are allott of things that people make extreme with regards to islamic law and ruling when infact it is a very simple religion. People who condemn and speak ill about islam without proper understanding should not be taken seriously. The biggest mistake made by people of other faiths is to take things and Quaranic text out of context. This indeed is where the confusion comes in. However, I do a agree this punishment is way too lenient 3 lashes per week is realy not punishment enough for what this man did.

  • erasmufj - 2011-12-11 13:06

    Kry vir jou...

  • Yurak - 2011-12-11 14:29

    please, can we have the same punishment here, but for all kinds of rape

  • Cracker - 2011-12-11 15:00

    And I think we need some real consistency on the subject. Craig and Robbie, what do you suggest as punishment for all those Christian church child molesters? Do you think the church will agree with you suggestions or wishes? Come now. You are so supportive of the Saudi punishment. Bet you wouldn't be if it was a bit closer home. My observation accurate or not?

      Mike - 2011-12-11 15:11

      Cracker you are dealing with people who have an equal bloodlust to the perpetrators, violent societies have violent criminals which reflect the mores of that society. Thankfully at this stage we still have a constitutions that protects us from the bloodthirsty!

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 15:40

      @ DanielDennett What can one say. Unfortunately sensibility is not available for sale. Our freedoms and our access to information remain priceless.

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 16:57

      @Cracker-are you on some real cheap drugs? Your dealers putting some weird sh_t in your crack.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 17:36

      I need drugs to be influenced, it seems. Your sick and cruel disposition seem to have a natural origin. Are you really so ignorant or unrealistic? Re-read my comments and get some perspective man. Too much to expect I think. And seriously, I do not take drugs and I never have. I also do not foresee that I ever will unless they are medically prescribed. I don't even smoke the cigarettes legally commercially available although I used to. I do however like my beer. Another no-go for the fire-brand and useless religionists. And that is all you are ever likely to know about my personal circumstances except perhaps that I have had a long career in the legal field and hold legal degrees.

      Robbie - 2011-12-11 18:22

      @ Cracker go and clean your crack pipe and try putting that beer down. I really don't give a sh_t about who or what you are. You sound like an idiot to me.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 19:21

      @ Robbie Get perspective.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 19:25

      @ Robbie You don't get it. Why don't you argue the merits of what I and the others of the same opinion express? You are really on the simpler side of life. Sometimes a state to be admired and long for. The rest of us have to go on carrying the heavy loads of life to make it tolerable for ALL of us.

      Cracker - 2011-12-11 20:02

      @ Robbie Just one final observation, little Robbie, if you are not concerned about what I am why do you continue to attribute certain characteristics to me? It is a childish rebuttal from me to your name calling but then you really leave me no choice given your childishness. I emphasize: If you had any idea of the real world and how easily you can fall victim to cruelness and unreasonableness and how essential it is for us to contain the aforegoing unpleasantness, you would not have made the ill-considered comments here as you have done. You may just be let down by your son. NEVER leave out of consideration of the unexpected. Or the falseness and unreliability of accusers. In fact, the one realization anybody with some sense and intellect in the legal field will tell you is that it is a hugely fallible system. You and the rest of the zealots blindly supporting the punishment who commented here should take the above into consideration. Good luck!

      rlmbennett - 2012-06-07 15:54

      Cracker I think one of the posters asked you what you think would be an appropriate sentence for this rapist. I'm really interested to see your answer. No cynicism intended from my side, just curious.

  • Andrew - 2011-12-11 15:21

    I like this punishment, lets see it in SA prison system. Weekly lashes for all prisoners for the duration of their sentence!

  • emile.eley - 2011-12-11 16:50

    Hope they're using a big stick on his you know what.

  • janjac.gilbert - 2011-12-11 18:34

    Why not 2081

  • Adair - 2011-12-11 19:18

    Sounds good to me.

  • Cracker - 2011-12-11 19:35

    Sounds revolting.

  • Cracker - 2011-12-11 19:39

    Sounds sick.

  • Cracker - 2011-12-11 19:44

    In fact, the question must be asked how do you apply the lash to those insects and other nasty thingies that cause so much misery and suffering and death to so many millions non-stop? YES, those same causative agents carrying out the will of your religious freaks' gods. Religion not relevant here?m It is. Read the article again. You make many of us sick with your attitude.

      rlmbennett - 2012-06-07 15:57

      Cracker I think one of the posters asked you what you think would be an appropriate sentence for this rapist. I'm really interested to see your answer. No cynicism intended from my side, just curious.

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