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Bishop compares Obama to Hitler

2012-04-20 08:27

Peoria - An Illinois Roman Catholic diocese whose bishop compared President Barack Obama's health care policies to actions taken by Adolf Hitler said on Thursday that the comments, which prompted outside demands for an apology and investigation, were "historical context" in an ongoing debate over religious liberty.

Peoria Bishop Daniel Jenky said during a Sunday homily at St Mary's Cathedral in Peoria that Obama is following previous governments that "tried to force Christians to huddle and hide only within the confines of their churches."

"Hitler and Stalin, at their better moments, would just barely tolerate some churches remaining open, but would not tolerate any competition with the state in education, social services and health care," the (Peoria) Journal Star and Chicago Tribune quoted Jenky as saying during the homily.

"In clear violation of our First Amendment rights, Barack Obama - with his radical, pro-abortion and extreme secularist agenda - now seems intent on following a similar path," he added, referring to the amendment in the US Constitution that protects religious freedom and other rights.

Diocese Chancellor Patricia Gibson told local media that Jenky "offered historical context and comparisons as a means to prevent a repetition of historical attacks upon the Catholic Church and other religions."

History lessons

"We have currently not reached the same level of persecution," Gibson said. "But Bishop Jenky would say that history teaches us to be cautious. ... (He) is concerned that our government is truly treading on one of our most dear freedoms, which is religious freedom."

Jenky's comments came a few days after the nation's Roman Catholic Bishops called for a national campaign in defence of religious liberty and urged resistance to laws church officials considered unjust. The bishops said Catholics must work to change recent state and federal laws church leaders believe violate religious freedom.

The highest-profile clash has been over the mandate in the Obama administration's health care overhaul that most employers cover birth control costs for workers. The White House has offered a compromise for church-affiliated groups such as hospitals and universities, but bishops have said the changes don't go far enough.

Calls to the diocese from The Associated Press rang unanswered on Thursday afternoon, and Gibson did not immediately respond to an email request for further comment.

Americans United for Separation of Church and State, meanwhile, filed a formal complaint asking the Internal Revenue Service to investigate the diocese, suggesting Jenky may have crossed a line that put the church's tax-exempt status in jeopardy.

Calls for apology

The group noted that in addition to the comments about Hitler and Obama, Jenky went on to tell those gathered Sunday that, "This fall, every practicing Catholic must vote, and must vote their Catholic consciences, or by the following fall our Catholic schools, our Catholic hospitals, our Catholic Newman Centres, all our public ministries - only excepting our church buildings - could easily be shut down."

"No rational person could believe the bishop was doing anything but saying vote against Obama" in the November presidential election, said the group's executive director, Barry Lynn.

Federal law prohibits churches and other tax-exempt non-profits from endorsing or opposing specific political candidates, but churches are allowed to engage in a wide range of political activities and the IRS rarely revokes a church's tax-exempt status.

The Anti-Defamation League also called on Jenky to apologise for his comments. Regional Director Lonnie Nasatir said on Thursday that the bishop needs a history lesson on "religious intolerance and anti-Semitism fostered in society" by Hitler and Stalin.

Comments
  • ludlowdj - 2012-04-20 09:22

    LOL....as if the catholic church doesn't have an even worse history or oppression and abuse.

      Mark - 2012-04-20 10:30

      What about the Bush Baptists?

      Mark - 2012-04-20 10:30

      What about the Bush Baptists?

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 12:22

      Godwin, from the church of Adolf Hitler (he was a catholic) and which - 1. Actively supported the Nazis; 2. Many of whose members carried out the holocaust; 3. Helped many of the most foul murderous Nazis escape to South America after the war. Of course he is also trying to deflect attention away from the church's child raping clergymen. Evil bastards.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 12:22

      Godwin, from the church of Adolf Hitler (he was a catholic) and which - 1. Actively supported the Nazis; 2. Many of whose members carried out the holocaust; 3. Helped many of the most foul murderous Nazis escape to South America after the war. Of course he is also trying to deflect attention away from the church's child raping clergymen. Evil bastards.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-20 14:24

      Fedocracy or Christians............which is worse?

      bluzulu - 2012-04-20 14:24

      Fedocracy or Christians............which is worse?

      James - 2012-04-21 15:21

      Eh Zaatheist, Your hateful comments re Muslims put you pretty much on the same level as the most radical Muslims.Do you sing "Kill the Persian" at Purim?? Admire Rabbi Elitzur Author"The Kings Torah" Who pretty much wants everybody dead except the self chosen people. He is subsidised by the Isr Govt $250,000-00 pa. And if you distr the New Testament in Isr. you go to jail for 5yrs. Women are slapped and spat upon on certain Bus lines if they refuse to sit in the back of the bus. In Monsey NY the Rabbi's gave boys Herpes when they lick the blood after Circumcision.The Catholics don't look so bad after all.

      James - 2012-04-21 15:21

      Eh Zaatheist, Your hateful comments re Muslims put you pretty much on the same level as the most radical Muslims.Do you sing "Kill the Persian" at Purim?? Admire Rabbi Elitzur Author"The Kings Torah" Who pretty much wants everybody dead except the self chosen people. He is subsidised by the Isr Govt $250,000-00 pa. And if you distr the New Testament in Isr. you go to jail for 5yrs. Women are slapped and spat upon on certain Bus lines if they refuse to sit in the back of the bus. In Monsey NY the Rabbi's gave boys Herpes when they lick the blood after Circumcision.The Catholics don't look so bad after all.

  • dave.prinsloo - 2012-04-20 09:26

    that is so twisted. Hitler was a christian and used it to justify killing jews (in retalliation of jews killing jesus)

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 10:11

      Hitler used the right words and made the right noises to project a Christian image to the masses, but he was actually an occultist as was most of his inner circle.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 10:11

      Hitler used the right words and made the right noises to project a Christian image to the masses, but he was actually an occultist as was most of his inner circle.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 10:35

      Go read your history "Thumbs Down" people.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 10:35

      Go read your history "Thumbs Down" people.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 12:23

      @Jurgen Please cite your sources before I start posting innumerable quotes from Herr Hitler in which he proudly proclaims his belief in god and support for the church.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 12:23

      @Jurgen Please cite your sources before I start posting innumerable quotes from Herr Hitler in which he proudly proclaims his belief in god and support for the church.

      Oom - 2012-04-20 13:16

      Actually Htler blamed the Jews for the German surrender during WW1 and the economic suffering of Germans as a result of it. Had nothing to do with religion as such.

      Oom - 2012-04-20 13:16

      Actually Htler blamed the Jews for the German surrender during WW1 and the economic suffering of Germans as a result of it. Had nothing to do with religion as such.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 13:49

      @zaatheist Please see my first post above. Anyone can say what he/she believes, but you can truly see by their actions what they really subscribe to. Old JuJu is one of those examples, but you don't seem to notice as he does not believe in God. Even in his speeches at the Good Friday service he attended, he creates an image of him being a believer and him being persecuted ... but you can see it is only self serving. Many people do things in the Name of God, but their actions speak louder than their lies. Even you must be socially savvy and intelligent enough to know the difference. And from your previous posts on other articles one gathers from your view that all religious people are hypocrites, but you have nothing bad to say about non-believers that are clearly hypocrites. And furthermore, you use as an example the blatant lies of Hitler in order to make your point for your disdain and hatred of all people that believes in God. Hitler used the right language in order to get the masses behind him. You know what kind of man Hitler was so why quote things he said and did not really believe. By doing that you claim Hitler did not lie, which is a lie in itself. Try being more honest, balanced and fair minded in your arguments rather than just bash away by using feeble points and half truths. Then maybe people will take you more seriously.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 13:49

      @zaatheist Please see my first post above. Anyone can say what he/she believes, but you can truly see by their actions what they really subscribe to. Old JuJu is one of those examples, but you don't seem to notice as he does not believe in God. Even in his speeches at the Good Friday service he attended, he creates an image of him being a believer and him being persecuted ... but you can see it is only self serving. Many people do things in the Name of God, but their actions speak louder than their lies. Even you must be socially savvy and intelligent enough to know the difference. And from your previous posts on other articles one gathers from your view that all religious people are hypocrites, but you have nothing bad to say about non-believers that are clearly hypocrites. And furthermore, you use as an example the blatant lies of Hitler in order to make your point for your disdain and hatred of all people that believes in God. Hitler used the right language in order to get the masses behind him. You know what kind of man Hitler was so why quote things he said and did not really believe. By doing that you claim Hitler did not lie, which is a lie in itself. Try being more honest, balanced and fair minded in your arguments rather than just bash away by using feeble points and half truths. Then maybe people will take you more seriously.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:33

      @Jurgen Ok, I'll just have to do it. So how do you validate if he was a genuine Catholic or not and that he is less believable than, say, the pope? "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Adolf Hitler, 12 April 1922 "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." - Adolf Hitler, 1933 speech in Berlin "... I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity." —Adolf Hitler, February 15, 1933, speech in Stuttgart "National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity." —Adolf Hitler, August 26, 1934, speech in Koblenz "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." —Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:33

      @Jurgen Ok, I'll just have to do it. So how do you validate if he was a genuine Catholic or not and that he is less believable than, say, the pope? "As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice". - Adolf Hitler, 12 April 1922 "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." - Adolf Hitler, 1933 speech in Berlin "... I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity." —Adolf Hitler, February 15, 1933, speech in Stuttgart "National Socialism neither opposes the Church nor is it anti-religious, but on the contrary, it stands on the ground of a real Christianity." —Adolf Hitler, August 26, 1934, speech in Koblenz "This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief." —Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:34

      @Jurgen Still not convinced - "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." -Adolf Hitler

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:34

      @Jurgen Still not convinced - "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." -Adolf Hitler

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 16:48

      @zaatheist Where are the rest of his quotes ... you nit pick quotes with regards to your argument only. If you take his other quotes into account (the ones about the German people being superior and all others inferior, etc.) you will see there is contradiction in what he says with regards to being a Christian. If you look at the whole of what he says and did then one can conclude that he is not a real Christian but only uses Christian rhetoric to win favor with the German people. If you look at what he says as a whole then you will see he promotes hatred to further his own goals as opposed to Jesus that promoted love at the expense of Himself. Just saying you are a Christian does not make it so and your arguments rest heavily upon this fact NOT being true.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 16:48

      @zaatheist Where are the rest of his quotes ... you nit pick quotes with regards to your argument only. If you take his other quotes into account (the ones about the German people being superior and all others inferior, etc.) you will see there is contradiction in what he says with regards to being a Christian. If you look at the whole of what he says and did then one can conclude that he is not a real Christian but only uses Christian rhetoric to win favor with the German people. If you look at what he says as a whole then you will see he promotes hatred to further his own goals as opposed to Jesus that promoted love at the expense of Himself. Just saying you are a Christian does not make it so and your arguments rest heavily upon this fact NOT being true.

  • Louwhan - 2012-04-20 09:56

    Good luck with that one. The only option you have is a Mormon:) Actually if you would wipe off the s..from your wind screen you will see that Ron Paul is the only one that can and will protect your freedom.

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-04-20 10:16

    Few people in the world today could achieve what Hitler achieved pre-WII by getting a nation on its feet after it was kicked lying down ... BUT Hitler did it for the wrong reasons to achieve his own goals of power and control and not for the German people. That was evident in his actions during the last days before the end of the war in Europe.

      Ask - 2012-04-20 11:42

      All Hitler wanted was a single currency and a single Europe... the idiot should have waited for this to happen... well, his dream has come true... Europe is unifying, using the Euro... The mass murderer should have been tried instead of getting the satisfaction of suicide...

      Ask - 2012-04-20 11:42

      All Hitler wanted was a single currency and a single Europe... the idiot should have waited for this to happen... well, his dream has come true... Europe is unifying, using the Euro... The mass murderer should have been tried instead of getting the satisfaction of suicide...

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:36

      "BUT Hitler did it for the wrong reasons to achieve his own goals of power ...", etc. Name me a politician who does not or did not do this.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-20 14:36

      "BUT Hitler did it for the wrong reasons to achieve his own goals of power ...", etc. Name me a politician who does not or did not do this.

      James - 2012-04-21 15:07

      Hitler really wanted territory returned that was stolen from Germany at Versailles. And prevent the same Talmudic Marxist revolution in Russia taking over Germany.Schiff gave Trotsky $20 mill. Pat Buchanans Churchill Hitler and the unecessary war Is a accurate account. Patton said "We are fighting the wrong enemy" He was right. They killed him. Korea,Vietnam, etc.65yrs Cold war costing $billions was the result.

      James - 2012-04-21 15:07

      Hitler really wanted territory returned that was stolen from Germany at Versailles. And prevent the same Talmudic Marxist revolution in Russia taking over Germany.Schiff gave Trotsky $20 mill. Pat Buchanans Churchill Hitler and the unecessary war Is a accurate account. Patton said "We are fighting the wrong enemy" He was right. They killed him. Korea,Vietnam, etc.65yrs Cold war costing $billions was the result.

  • thurlo.cicero - 2012-04-20 11:05

    I think the church needs to understand that they no longer speak on behalf of the people, especially when their own moral compass is pointing in the wrong direction. Their ignorant statements of society and people in general has forced people to make their own decisions and choices. Every citizen needs their rights, and the Government acts on behalf of them, not just a few who seek special status. Christians/Catholics are not the only religious group who roams the earth, His Grace, needs to understand that - or someone ought to tell him.

      sean.looney - 2012-04-20 11:15

      here, here. the fact that the church still functions in this day and age actually blows my mind.

      sean.looney - 2012-04-20 11:15

      here, here. the fact that the church still functions in this day and age actually blows my mind.

  • Jason - 2012-04-20 11:48

    Ron Paul probably the most honest politician in the world today and should become the next president of the US, but he would probably be taken out like Kenedy.

      Louwhan - 2012-04-20 12:42

      Agreed!

      Louwhan - 2012-04-20 12:42

      Agreed!

      Lenzi - 2012-04-20 14:51

      agreed also

      Lenzi - 2012-04-20 14:51

      agreed also

  • devenjoey.theron - 2012-04-20 12:12

    which is best airport? a) king shaka international or b) adolf hitler international if you know what im going at. why remember people that murdered innocent people in history? cant government look into this? and what pirate is the best? somali or orlando? what message do we send to the world? think wide...

      bluzulu - 2012-04-20 14:26

      Nice one, Agreed.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-20 14:26

      Nice one, Agreed.

  • Phillip - 2012-04-20 13:19

    A kattle calling pot black, Heaven will miss some of these so called bishops, after all the work they have done. Plainly speaking this is racist.

  • bluzulu - 2012-04-20 14:24

    Fedocracy or Christians............which is worse?

  • elewies - 2012-04-20 14:57

    Good! Keep up statements like these! They expose the disillusionment of religious leaders and contribute to the growing numbers of non-theists worldwide :)

  • Mike - 2012-04-20 15:23

    Just as a rule, dont confuse Christian with catholic. not the same even though catholic calls itself Christiam its not. Dont want to go into a whole religion war, i have my faith and beleif and wont try force it onto anybody, just want to make that part clear.

      Ask - 2012-04-20 16:05

      Pray tell; what is the difference... we are all ears. I'm sure a Catholic would find your statement offensive... please informs us, the readers, which denomination is the correct one, Oh wise one...

      Ask - 2012-04-20 16:05

      Pray tell; what is the difference... we are all ears. I'm sure a Catholic would find your statement offensive... please informs us, the readers, which denomination is the correct one, Oh wise one...

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