Cameron: Get anti-gang ideas from US

2011-08-11 22:21

London - Prime Minister David Cameron said on Thursday that Britain would look to the United States for solutions to gang violence after nights of riots and looting, and promised authorities would get strong powers to stop street mayhem erupting again.

Cameron told lawmakers he was "are acting decisively to restore order on our streets", as police raided houses to round up suspects from four nights of unrest in London and other English cities.

Acknowledging that police had been overwhelmed by mobile groups of looters in the first nights of the rioting, Cameron said authorities were considering new powers, including allowing police to order thugs to remove masks or hoods, evicting troublemakers from subsidised housing and temporarily disabling cell phone instant messaging services.

He said the 16 000 police deployed on London's streets to deter rioters and reassure residents would remain through the weekend.

"We will not let a violent few beat us," Cameron said.

Lawmakers were summoned back from their summer vacations for an emergency session of Parliament on the riots as government and police worked to regain control, both on the streets and in the court of public opinion.

Calm prevailed in London overnight, with a highly visible police presence watching over the capital, but a sense of nervousness lingered across the country.

During a session lasting almost three hours in which he faced 160 questions from lawmakers, Cameron promised tough measures to stop further violence and said "nothing should be off the table".

Plastic bullets

He said that included water cannon and plastic bullets - though senior police have said they don't feel the need to use those at the moment. He also said officials would look at "whether there are tasks that the army could undertake that would free up more police for the front line".

Cameron said he would seek American advice on fighting the street gangs he blamed for helping spark Britain's riots.

He told lawmakers that he would look to cities like Boston for inspiration, and mentioned former Los Angeles and New York Police Chief William Bratton as a person who could help offer advice.

He said he wanted to look at cities that had fought gangs "by engaging the police, the voluntary sector and local government".

"I also believe we should be looking beyond our shores to learn the lessons from others who have faced similar problems," Cameron said.

He said the government, police and intelligence services were looking at whether there should be limits on the use of social media sites like Twitter and Facebook or services like BlackBerry Messenger to spread disorder.

BlackBerry's simple and largely cost free messaging service was used by rioters to co-ordinate their activities, Cameron's office said.

Britain's Home Office said it planned to hold talks with police chiefs, Twitter, Facebook and Blackberry manufacturer Research In Motion.

Remove hoods

Government officials said they were discussing with spy agencies and communications companies whether messaging services could be disabled in specific areas, or at specific times.

Authorities are considering "whether it would be right to stop people communicating via these websites and services when we know they are plotting violence, disorder and criminality", Cameron said.

Cameron said that, in the future, police would be able to order people to remove masks, hoods or other face coverings when they suspect them of concealing their identity to carry out a crime. Currently, police must seek approval from a senior officer.

Communities Secretary Eric Pickles confirmed that powers that allow authorities to evict convicted criminals from government-subsidised housing will be strengthened. Authorities have the power to eject someone from social housing if they commit a crime, but only if the offense is in their own neighbourhood.

Pickles said he hoped the power would be more widely used, and that it would apply to crime committed anywhere.

A programme that can ban gang members from meeting together, loitering in certain places, or displaying gang insignia will also be extended, he said.

Some lawmakers urged Cameron to take even tougher measures. Conservative Party lawmaker Peter Tapsell said he recalled law enforcement officers in Washington DC in 1971 rounding up anti-Vietnam war demonstrators and imprisoning them in a sports stadium.

Tapsell asked Cameron if London's Wembley Stadium, the country's show-piece soccer arena, could be used. Cameron insisted the stadium would be used only for "great sporting events".


Parliamentary authorities confirmed on Thursday that a petition calling for those convicted of offences during the riots to lose welfare payments could be debated by lawmakers.

Earlier this month, Britain began an initiative under which on-line petitions which collected at least 100 000 signatures will be considered for debate in the House of Commons.

Authorities said the petition crossed the threshold on Thursday - the first to do so - and would now be studied by a committee which decides on Parliament's business.

Britain's riots began on Saturday when an initially peaceful protest over a police shooting in north London turned violent. That clash triggered wider lawlessness that police struggled to halt.

Across London, and then in cities throughout England, rioters set stores on fire and looted shops for sneakers, bicycles, electronics and leather goods. For the first couple of nights there were too few police on the streets to challenge them.

That changed on Tuesday, when 16 000 officers were deployed on London's streets - almost three times the number of the night before.

Police swooped on houses across London on Thursday, detaining suspects and retrieving stolen goods. The number of people arrested since Saturday rose to 950, with 457 suspects charged.

Wednesday night was largely quiet in London and other cities where looters had rampaged earlier this week.

Frightened and outraged

Tensions flared in Birmingham, where a murder probe was opened after three men were killed in a hit-and-run incident as they took to the streets to defend shops from looting.

Police on Thursday were given more time to question a 32-year-old man arrested on suspicion of murder.

Scenes of ransacked stores, torched cars and blackened buildings have frightened and outraged Britons just a year before their country is to host next summer's Olympic Games, bringing demands for a tougher response from law enforcement and calls for the government to scrap plans to cut police budgets.

Cameron's Conservative-led government is slashing £80bn from public spending by 2015 to reduce the country's swollen budget deficit - measures that include curbing police budgets.

A report last month said the cuts will mean 16 000 fewer police officers by 2015.

Normality was being restored in London on Thursday, although soccer authorities announced that Tottenham Hotspur's season-opening match against Everton on Saturday was being postponed.

Nine other Premier League matches due to be played this weekend across the country are due to go ahead.

As authorities attempted to dispense swift justice to rioters, there were chaotic scenes at courthouses, several of which sat through the night to process scores of alleged looters and vandals, including an 11-year-old boy.

The defendants, mostly young but otherwise diverse, included a teenage ballerina, a university English student from a prosperous commuter town and Natasha Reid, a 24-year-old university graduate who admitted stealing a TV from a looted electronics store in north London.

Her lawyer said she had turned herself in because she could not sleep because of guilt.

Also due to appear in court were several people charged with using Twitter and Facebook to incite violence.

  • tommy 2 - 2011-08-11 23:48

    Well done DAVID...... The U.S. cannot control they gangs but you somehow think they will be able to help england.

      j4truth - 2011-08-12 07:52

      If the violence and disruption were treated with IMPARTIALITY. Britain would be declared ungovernable, Cameron would be told to step down - If he resists, Nato would be sent in to bomb the military and kill some of his kids. Then a restructured 'fully represented democracy' (MOB RULE) would be installed!!!!! Why has this not been done in Britain like it has been forced upon other nations, by the hypocrite hag Clinton????????

      LJ Graey - 2011-08-12 08:31

      Lol... Congratulations j4truth. You just conclusively proved that civil war and teenagers looting are one and the same thing. Really... For one, Lybia deployed TANKS and LIVE AMUNITION against REBELS opposed to GOVERNMENT... the Brits didn't even want to use plastic bullets on TEENAGE RIOTERS who were LOOTING cause they wanted FREE STUFF unless there was no other way of restoring order. Talk about being impartial... you're comparing a mole-hill to a mountain here, and then pretending the mole-hill is bigger...

  • sam - 2011-08-12 04:26

    Grow some balls Cameron. Stop giving money to all these mindless thugs, stop creating an entitlement society. Too many people depend on the government for financial hand-outs instead of actually working for what they want in life, like everyone else. That's why these 'riots' are happening, because these young people have no respect or regard for anything or anyone as they have been spoon fed all their lives. Its pathetic.

      Little Jim - 2011-08-12 08:05

      South Africa is not too far off England as this country's youth are just as bad off. The unemployment rate for people under 25 in SA is over 50% and that creates a time bomb waiting to go off. The difference is that the English government has prioritised this matter and will deal with SA, f^&kall will happen and the problem will get worse until such time the government speaks out and says that there is nothing they can do about it...just like the AIDS pandemic, Zimbabwean crisis, crime, low education levels, useless health system not to mention the growing corruption within the government!! That what makes England a first world country and SA a tin pot third world banana republic and soon to be pear shaped meass!

      Clive25 - 2011-08-12 09:09

      @little Jim you sound like some little bitter pink powdered face. If SA is a third world tin pot republic then ship out we will not miss you. Its the same as calling your mother a bitch.

      daaivark - 2011-08-12 09:20

      I agree with Clive. Off you go then, Little Jim.

  • Stuartthom - 2011-08-12 06:22

    its simple stop the political correctness and the liberal wishy washy pussy footing fannying about attitude, Call a spade a spade stop benefits and send the brothers back to their countries. Maybe Peter Hain can advise u its because of wallies like him ur country is in a decline.

  • Maria Gornell - 2011-08-12 06:32

    The people who signed this petition are so stupid and misguided, surely it is against human rights to stop their benefit and throw them on the street, should at least be warnings first, the working class people are playing right into the hands of these Eton boys, turning on eachother, fools.

  • Ettiene - 2011-08-12 07:47

    Rubber Bullets, Batons, Mace, Pepper Balls in Paint Ball Guns, Hand-cuffs, Riot Gear and Dogs. That's what you need and what you should have used from the beginning to nip this in the butt as it started. This should not be tolerated by any government. Stop being such typical British Pussies and get the damn job done!!

      Maria Gornell - 2011-08-12 09:44

      Its not going to happen though, bad luck..ha

  • Kelvin - 2011-08-12 10:35

    Well England have only themselves to blame for this. First kick the liberal bleeding heart Political Correct idiots into touch, they do more damage than good. Second install discipline in school, third hold the good for nothing parents responsible. Britain are reaping the rewards of these little monsters they created by being too soft, not enforcing discipline, not installing work and moral ethics.

      Pragmatist - 2011-08-12 14:52

      I agree - they deserve everything they get... I bet that if every citizen had been armed, there would have been 20 dead rioters in the first five minutes, and the riot would have been over!

  • letsee - 2011-08-12 13:25

    The British don't guts to apply USA remedies, which are not successfull anyway. If they had the guts they wouldn't be in trouble.

  • Pragmatist - 2011-08-12 14:51

    What about asking the SAPS / METRO and PAGAD...

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