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Catholic quits board over gay rights

2012-04-07 22:55

New York - The head of New York's Roman Catholic archdiocese faces a challenge to his stance on gay rights: The resignation of a church official who says he's "had enough" of the cardinal's attitude.

Joseph Amodeo told The Associated Press on Saturday that he quit the junior board of Catholic Charities after Cardinal Timothy Dolan failed to respond to a "call for help" for homeless youths who are not heterosexual.

The conflict began when Carl Siciliano of the Ali Forney Centre for homeless gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender young people wrote Dolan, saying his "loud and strident voice against the acceptance of LGBT people" creates "a climate where parents turn on their own children".

Dolan responded that he's following church teachings. His response prompted Amodeo to quit.

Comments
  • hoyingomane - 2012-04-07 23:13

    I hate gay people with all my life

      Landi - 2012-04-07 23:21

      do you believe in God? that is most probably the question that needs to answered! The reason i say that.. Jesus, aka God, loved everyone.. Sinners, Saints ect.. He even dined with sinners in their houses.. He did not hate people.. Thus, we should not hate.. God bless! Happy Easter!

      lydonmcg - 2012-04-07 23:59

      Shame, it's quite sad you've dedicated your whole life to hating us. I can't say we care much for you! Haha

      sally.lewitt - 2012-04-08 00:29

      Right, um.. What \life\ are you referring to.. ??

      charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-04-08 00:33

      I feel pity for you, when God questions you on Judgment day, when the rolls are called up yonder, you can tell God that you hate gays all your life. get a life, they are also Human.

      zaatheist - 2012-04-08 04:31

      @Janine Exactly.

      Jayson - 2012-04-08 05:47

      I love my wife dearly. You can't go around saying such harsh things about people. Each to there own. You are not God, and you can not judge. Grow up and smell the coffee.

      Muhammad - 2012-04-08 06:38

      Hate the sin, not the sinner

      Carina Welman - 2012-04-08 07:00

      I feel pitty for you. people always ask when did we decide to become gay... now I ask you, if it was a choice, then when did you decide to become straight? Homophobia is nothing more than uninformed people who fear what they do not know or understand. my own mother is like that and i pitty her because she is missing out on her daughters' life. her choice.. don't hide behind the church or the Bible.

      mlungisi.botha - 2012-04-08 07:40

      @Hoyingomane and Other Gay Haters: I'm not gay and I don't hate gays but I'd like to turn the attention on you for a change. There are hundreds of reports of rapists, murderers, farm murders, corrupt politicians etc every week. How many times have you or people like you written "I hate rapists, murderers, corrupt politicians etc with all my life" everytime you came across such a story. I bet you none! People like you reserve that kind of deep hatred and venom for people who make you unsure of your own sexuality. That makes you uncomfortable with yourself. You might be gay you know? When last did you check? You don't like gays? That's ok. You HATE gays? Something's not right there buddy!

      Jan - 2012-04-08 08:12

      Don't hate the sinner, hate the sin. THAT is what God said.

      Naledi - 2012-04-08 08:16

      @hoyingomane:its obvious u have no life

      erneyb - 2012-04-08 09:43

      Can you tell me WHY do you hate me ? You don't even know of my existance ?

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-04-07 23:50

    The duty of a christian is to love, just as you have been loved, period.

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-04-08 00:31

    Again and again, God message is clear: Love thy neighbor as thy self. We are not taught to hate people. Gay are also Human Beings and they also believe in God and in Lord Jesus.I have lots of gay friends and they are good people. Have a blessed Easter all.

      Fred - 2012-04-08 00:48

      If they love God, why don't they obey His Word? I have no problems with people choosing a homosexual relationship, it is their life and their choice. Just don't come to me with rubbish arguments.

      goodman.segage - 2012-04-08 05:14

      Absolutely, right love thy nieghbor; and also hate the sin the thy nieghbor doest. The gospel of Jesus Christ is about transformation if one has accepted His Massege yet not change conscience there must be a wrong message there. The message is clear ' how can two walk together unless they agree' God is warning not to be joined together with those who inherit worldly practices, lest we lose the objective of christianity.

  • LongSword - 2012-04-08 01:18

    Don be surprised, it's the church. What did u expect? Hypocrisy has been the name of the game for centuries.

      Muhammad - 2012-04-08 06:49

      So revert to Islam and discover a world of purity and peace

      Irene - 2012-04-08 10:06

      Muhammed ~ Thanks, but no thanks. Your version of peace and purity is rather warped!

  • zaatheist - 2012-04-08 04:26

    At last, a Catholic with a conscience. And I am delighted to see quite a number of other Christians condemn homophobia. The Catholic Church has already lost millions of congregants in the US and the rest of the world because of the child raping clergy cover-ups. The Church's preaching of bigoted hatred against gays, its creepy attitude towards sex in general, birth control, abortion, use of condoms in the fight against aids, etc., condemns it to further irrelevance in the future. "In the U.S., all the major (Christian) denominations have seen their numbers decline in recent years, but the Catholic Church has taken the biggest hit. Since the 1960s, four American-born Catholics have left the church for every one who has converted, according to a 2009 Pew study. In 2008 alone, Catholic membership declined by 400,000. More than 1,000 parishes have closed since 1995. http://theweek.com/article/index/202388/catholics-in-crisis n Spain, once so Catholic, the majority of marriages now take place outside the Church. No wonder to pope trawls the poorer countries in the World trying for drum up new business.

  • Grant Howard - 2012-04-08 06:39

    Science has proven more and more each passing year that people are born with a certain set of genes that will predispose them to their sexual orientation, yet the hypocritical fundamentalists who condemn homosexuality will refuse to open their eyes to the real truth. And most of the men who condemn gays will sit in the corner whenever they're alone and jack off to lesbian porn. It takes a REAL man to accept these differences in other men. Bunch of hypocrites.

      Grant Howard - 2012-04-08 08:33

      Dave, I know what heterosexual guys do because I'm married with 3 children.

      Irene - 2012-04-08 10:09

      Dave ~ Shame. I pity your wife and kids. How do they manage to put up with your sick mind?

      mbossenger - 2012-04-08 21:39

      Rather arbitary to discriminate against someone based ontheir sexual orientation, isn't it? Might as well hate people because they have red hair or blue eyes...

  • Ashley - 2012-04-08 07:29

    Wow, you hate gay people. I pity you and honestly feel sorry for you. You not god who you to judge and hate. You human just as us. what makes you that special that anyone really cares whether you hate us or not, its just people like you that have issues and lots to deal with in the world and people as yourself that need to appreciate others. You cant love and respect anyone if you hate gay people as then you hate others.

  • Dave - 2012-04-08 07:40

    you gay guys are so arrogent about your perversed deformaty it's sickening, apart from the religeous rejection and social rejection to gays we have nature who never intended males to do males and females to do females, we would have been born multi and if it was so intendes, I find the thought of anal sex repulsive and dirty, i personnaly think your a bunch of sickos that should get help.

      Mashego Jotana - 2012-04-08 08:18

      amen to that brother

      Grant Howard - 2012-04-08 08:39

      Dave, speaking of nature, do a little reading, and you'll find many animals in nature practice homosexuality from time to time. Nature is far more tolerant than you my friend. It is your mind that is so unnatural.

      Mike - 2012-04-08 09:04

      Dave you've probably juggled more balls than a circus entertainer, you protest too much.

      Marek - 2012-04-08 22:40

      Dave, your FB profile says you are interested in men and women. FYI.

  • Dave - 2012-04-08 08:37

    grant. hehe, still does not change my thinking, what would you do if one of them had to turn out to be gay?

      Grant Howard - 2012-04-08 08:42

      I would love them and support them. They are my children! I might be wrong but I'm guessing that you don't have children otherwise you wouldn't ask that question because the answer is that simple to a parent.

  • Dave - 2012-04-08 08:59

    Grant. I do. have two very normal loving kids. If one had to have gone 'SKEEF' difficult to say, but it would have affected our relationship greatly and possibly negatively. I cannot come to grips with gays, fullstop. If it was supposed to have been Adam and Steve it would have been that way.

      Irene - 2012-04-08 10:14

      Oh Dave, Adam and Steve is so 60's and is so boring. Pity one your kids haven't gone 'skeef' because then you'd understand that nobody has a choice. Nobody has a 'straight' button they can push. Open your eyes.

  • Barefoot - 2012-04-08 10:18

    Not hating gays but as a Christian homosexual person or even a preacher you have to admit you would be confused by this scripture- 1 Corinthians 6:9 \don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the kingdom of god? don't be a fool those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves. . .\ to all homosexuals screamin that they are hated why would you want to force yourself to be accepted in a religion who's very foundations doesn't not allow for homosexuality?

      Sam - 2012-04-08 10:58

      That's the least confusing scripture. Trying to figure out who I have to put to death this week for hitting their dad, wearing two different threads of clothing, not screaming loud enough when they were raped, swearing at their parents… that's a lot more troubling. Hold on, got to put on my killer heels and grab the shotgun, I just saw my neighbor picking up wood on a Sunday. (Very confused about whether I'm allowed to stone him to death on the Sabbath.)

      Grant - 2012-04-08 12:46

      I think it is very unfair to expect gay people not to follow their faith in their god, be it Christian or any other faith. How dare any of you condemn or presume to have to power to disallow them that grace? Who do you think you are to decide who should and shouldn't follow your god? Just a point on your quote: that translation is probably the most recent translation into modern english. Go back a few hundred years to the original greek text and translate it directly into english (and not into Latin - back into Greek - into hebrew - back into latin - into english and then changed and manipulated a hundred fold into a completely different dialect of english)and see if the meaning is still there?

      Barefoot - 2012-04-08 18:29

      hold your horses Grant i did not write the bible all the translations i have speak more or less the same thing, i didn't say gays must not attend church i just pointed out the obvious a scripture appearing in the most frequently used 'new testament', p.s each and every religion follows rules, take Islam/Muslim for example they do not bend their rules just because they want to have more members

  • sc0tteeey - 2012-04-08 10:49

    i cant believe how backward and naive some of these comments are. firstly at the homophobes who are mostly christian, youre being hipocrites! if you were truelly christian you would know that jesus' greatest teaching was that of love, regardless of any 'sin'. did you think he hanged out with prostitutes and other 'sinners' for fun? he did it to be an example, so before you point out the splinter in someone else's eye, pull out the log in your own! and to the others who said those EXTREMELY offensive comments about islam, not only are you in breech of mohammeds constitutional rights and breaking your own right to freedom of speech, youre being absolutely naive about a religion you probably know NOTHING about! and believe it or not, in South Africa you can actually be taken to court for that. so watch your words! just because your safe behind a computer saying these extremely harmful things, doesnt mean you are beyond the reach of the law! you can have your opinions, but there are checks in place to keep people from breaking the law. most of you are engaging in hate speech, especially the homophobes. you have no right to say the things you did.

  • Tim - 2012-04-08 10:57

    Dave Mayoss - I would not even been bothered to take the time to answer someone like you, but I noticed that you unfortunately had been to the same high school as me, although many years before. Considering your advanced age, one would have expected some semblance of wisdom but alas, all one sees is evidence of advancing geriatric dementia. How else could one explain you r “logic”, bad spelling, lack of basic grammar and punctuation, prejudice and homophobia? How interesting as a single man like you should be thinking about gay anal sex, but do yourself a favour the next time you go past an Adult World, go and take a look a look at hetero porn and see the huge amount of anal sex there! It may surprise you, as you suffer from a considerable degree of ignorance, that there is more to being gay than anal sex. Since you appear to be ignorant of the gay gene in nature and no anecdotes from me would convince you - go no further than your keyboard and do some Googleing and you will find examples by the score. As for your “profound religeous” views, what religion is that? It is certainly not Christianity as your comments offend at least 5 Christian rules! Isn’t that typical of some people and ignorance of their own religion? May I suggest that you spend less thinking about other people’s sex lives and more on your own bigotry?

  • Andrew - 2012-04-08 11:22

    The Catholic Church's connection to Jesus is tenuous - at best. Throughout recorded history it has been on the side of the oppressor. In recent years its role in the facilitation of child abuse has been exposed. From Canada, through the US, through the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands, Ireland, Italy, Australia it has been exposed as a corrupt organisation - deeply corrupt. In Ireland they facilitated what Amnesty International called the physical and sexual torture of the most vulnerable communities.

  • Share Godsword - 2012-04-08 11:28

    ...and God created Adam and Eve, not Adam, Harry and Eve.

      janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-04-08 12:44

      That is a really BAD argument, because patently not all sexual relations are for the purpose of procreation. Are you against contraception too? If you are then there is nothing more to say.

      mbossenger - 2012-04-08 21:37

      What evidence do you have that god exists? And what evidence that he is the creator?

  • janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-04-08 12:34

    Juxtapose two images: on the left, two men kissing in gay marriage; on the right, thousands of starving children in Africa. If the left image upsets you more than the right, then you don't get to tell me ANYTHING about morality, Biblical, or otherwise. And just to get it straight: even Paul condoned slavery in the Bible, so keep deonotology out of your arguments!

      janalbert.vandenberg - 2012-04-08 12:45

      ... http://twofriarsandafool.blogspot.com/2009/03/not-sin-introduction.html (if even one gay person reads this and finds answers to difficult existential problems, then I will rest better this Easter; don't listen to the homophobia. What was Christ's words? Oh yeah, I remember: 'Judge them not, for they do not know what they say!' )

  • Jerzy - 2012-04-08 13:07

    Arent most catholic preachers gay anyway?

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