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Clinton opposes Gaza aid flotilla

2011-06-24 07:05

Washington - US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Thursday said she opposed plans by pro-Palestinian activists to sail aboard several ships to the Gaza Strip in defiance of an Israeli naval blockade.

"We do not believe that the flotilla is a necessary or useful effort to try to assist the people of Gaza," the chief US diplomat told reporters.

"Just this week, the Israeli government approved a significant commitment to housing in Gaza. There will be construction materials entering Gaza," Clinton said.

"And we think that it’s not helpful for there to be flotillas that try to provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves," Clinton said.

On May 31 2010, Israeli commandos killed nine Turkish activists, including one who also had US citizenship, when they boarded a Turkish vessel that was part of a flotilla trying to break the Israeli-imposed blockade of Gaza.

A group of pro-Palestinian activists, led by several Turkish groups, have said they plan to sail within the next few days to Gaza, mainly from Greek ports.

Comments
  • gees-hey - 2011-06-24 07:50

    gees Hilary... so much for helping the oppressed... can see what you stand for

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 09:09

      If the Jews had not fought back against the Arab armies and had been destroyed in 1948, they would have received the most beautiful eulogies throughout the world. Instead, they chose to stand their ground and defend themselves. And in winning, they received the world's condemnation. Golda Meir said she would take the condemnation over the eulogies.

      Mad Hatter - 2011-06-24 15:14

      There are ways to get aid to the palestinians without using it as a propoganda activity to provoke a reaction from the Isreali authorities, the aid ships need to be inspected for arms which will be used for further violent activities. No country would accept any unchecked ship entering their country PS: there has never been a palestinian state , the creation of one will be the first, the land was formerly part of the trans-jordan area of the collapsed Ottoman empire. The Arab states support of the Palestinians is nothing more than their opposition to a jewish state in the middle east and their eagerness to dump palestinians in their own countries into another state to ensure religious hegemony .

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 16:02

      Poor hillary, you can feel the weight of the aipac on her shoulders. They even advertise on this page, unbelievable (look at the bottom) Pro-Israel Americans:www.AIPAC.org Help keep Israel secure by ensuring U.S. support remains strong when will the isrealis stop manipulating the world...

      barryjoelm - 2011-06-25 09:23

      pierreedge, you're an idiot!

      pierreedge - 2011-06-27 17:54

      typical of extremist like barryjol, as soon as you disagree with them, you are insulted, insult, the weapon of the weak minds.

      Zee - 2011-06-28 08:32

      Yup pierreedge - when they can't argue rationally, they turn to insults/calling you anti-semitic. Not all the world is blind to their propaganda thankfully. Although clearly most are!

      Paco7 - 2011-07-05 11:39

      excuse her,she is sexually suppressed,ever since Bill has been doing Monica

  • Neutedop - 2011-06-24 07:51

    This is plain provoking! And now another million people will see it as a good deed by these pro Palestinians. Wish people will realize they hope Israel attack, so they can get sympathy. Geez – time that people form their own opinion. They know the consequences, so why be upset if it actually happen?

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 08:21

      Neutedop = nutcase. At least you admit it.

      Crazy Ivan - 2011-06-24 09:45

      @daaivark Your a twit. If I force myself through your security gate and over your wall are you going to stand there with welcoming arms OR call the police/defend your property? Get real!

      auqadir - 2011-06-24 10:24

      @ Crazy Ivan - Zionists occupied Palestinian land and the West wants them to be received with open arms? Israeli blockade of Gaza is illegal and inhuman, the civil society has a democratic right to protest; and unarmed flotilla is a brilliant idea. All peace-loving people should support that, rising above their prejudices.

      Zee - 2011-06-24 10:42

      @Ivan - if I stole that gate from you in the first place, then I wouldn't expect you to take it lying down. Get real!

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 10:56

      Dear Fundamentalist auqadir First of all, I trust you understand that the TRUE Palestinians are the Jews. The Arabs co-opted the name (and the identity) in 1966. I remind you that during the Mandatory period, the British referred to Jews as "Palestinians." The Arabs were just always referred to as "Arabs." During World War Two, when the call went out to form a Palestine Brigade, the only people who signed up were -- you guessed it -- Jews. The Arabs were aligned with the Nazis, in case you didn't know. That said, the ersatz "Palestinians" prompted six wars -- all started by the Arabs and won by Israel -- and have engaged in seven decades of unrelenting terror, visited both against Jews in Israel and in the Diaspora. They're still inventing themselves. They are not "Palestinians." The TRUE Palestinians are the Jews. The record is replete with this fact. PS the Israeli blockade of Gaza is right and just... and when the Palestinians stop terror and talk peace the blockade will end. However Hamas’s charter still calls for the destruction of Israel and the killing of all Jews – so the Palestinians civilians will continue to suffer under Hamas’ leadership

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 11:03

      @ Crazy Ivan, I'd say you live up to your name, as I have nothing of value. But that aside, so I should just shoot you today in case you should attack me tomorrow? Now that is really sensible, isn't it.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 11:05

      Zanu. I note your incredible lack of thought and critical analysis skills. But hey, 30% is OK, ja? I don't purport to know what it must be like to be you, but I wish that you may live for a very very long time.

      Waleed Toefy - 2011-06-24 11:09

      what gate?.. last time they murdered those innocent people on the ships it was in INTERNATIONAL WATERS, so that "GATE" BELONGS TO THE WORLD!! ..and dont tell me those innocent people were murdered because they were stabbing or fighting or however the zionist tries to brainwash your dictated thoughts. It was PROVEN that the IDF had a BOOKLET ON THEM with photo's on who to target on the ship! the truth always prevails in the end. like how they errd on there editing of the ship surveillance video's by mistakingly leaving a VIDEO EDITING software cursor moving around in the "raw" serveilance footage, or how there men walked right through solid steel objects in the video, twice.. hahaha... please, stop swallowing the indoctrination and free your brain from the strings from which they pull. there were even holocaust survivors and priests on the Ship and we all know by now that they treat holocaust survivors like dogs in Isreal and even list them as security threats (terrorists) from the countless survivor testimonials.. free your brain - stand for truth, the zionist are strong and have resources, but we are the majority and cant allow the human oppressors victory http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

      barryjoelm - 2011-06-25 09:24

      auqadir, you're an idiot!

  • Sabrina Azraq - 2011-06-24 08:02

    almost 50% percent of the people in Gaza are unemployed. What the hell does housing have to do it? Gaza is currently suffering one of its most fatal shorteges in medical supplies. Clearly the flotillas are not to provoke the Israeli government, their to help the people of Palestine.

      Neutedop - 2011-06-24 08:06

      But why not take the Israeli option of takinging it to their port, and they will transport it there for free? Why does it HAVE to go through Israeli waters?

      Zee - 2011-06-24 09:15

      @Neutedop - because Israel has proven time and time again that it's hawkish leaders cannot be trusted.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 09:19

      Gees hey u stupid! Israel only has the blockade because Hamas keep firing missiles. If the Missiles stop the blockade will end, nough said! Proof is in the pudding - when Israel left Gaza, Gaza was free, Hamas came to power and now fire rockets non stop (even today) Hamas has been asking to get a beating by Israel ever since – they have a few times… problem is that the civilians get hurt (that is Hamas’s plan) The people of Gaza are not forgotten... they are constantly used as pawn by the Arab world to make sure there is never peace with the Jewish state. And that is a fact. The average age in Gaza is amongst the highest in the world. There situation is a lot better then Libya, Sudan or Syria… their situation is self-imposed and can be changed in a day. Its cliché but true; If Israel put down their Arms... there will be no more Israel. If the Palestinians put down their Arms there will be peace and reconciliation.

      za101 - 2011-06-24 10:11

      israel does not have a siege on gaza because of the missiles. israel has the siege because palestinians democratically elected hamas over fatah. fatah being an off-shoot of honsi mubaarak

      Waleed Toefy - 2011-06-24 11:14

      Att: Zanu, you mean these rockets that Isreal tells us about on there TV stations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF3-YqZkoMs yes Zanu, im sure we are the stupid ones, you need to free your brain from the strings... TRUTH will always prevail in the end

      Palian - 2011-06-24 11:20

      and save a sip for zanu. He's really thirsty.

      Palian - 2011-06-24 11:36

      @ zee - sorry, meant at zanu my comment 2nd top from here :)

      observer - 2011-06-24 13:39

      No Waleed, the rockets that land in the children's playgrounds in Southern Israel.

      laverne.gadiah - 2011-06-29 20:33

      WAke UP!

  • Will - 2011-06-24 08:13

    how is this provocation? A bunch of people are taking aid to another bunch of people that need it. Exactly how are they being provoked. Israel is the one doing the provoking.

      observer - 2011-06-24 08:29

      There's a naval blockade in force, that's why! To run it is pure provocation. All goods can go into Gaza via the port which ensures that the goods are not weapons. If you want to get goods in why not use this option? Only when the Palestinians recognise that Israel has the right to exist there will be peace in the Middle East. Imagine if we said that anyone with green eyes doesn't have the right to exist?!

      Will - 2011-06-24 11:18

      Gaza also has its own sovereign waters. SO what are the Israelis doing blockading Gaza waters. Maybe its because a massive gas field was discovered in Gaza waters. Israel has no right to stop aid coming in through Gaza waters. Its an international violation.

      observer - 2011-06-24 11:22

      Maybe Will, because there have been 8,000 rockets fired unprovoked into Israel. Would you accept rockets being fired into South Africa? That is an act of war and the Israelis have actually been very restrained in their response.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 14:28

      with a name like observer you dont see much... Stop having such a trivialized and simple minded view on the issue. Rockets are fired you say, unprovoked as well: WRONG. Palestinians try to stop the new settlements, they go to the UN, the UN passes a resolution to stop isreal building them, then the US vetoes, and isreal builds the settlement anyway, the palestinians feel the injustice, keep trying the legal route and nothing happens, so the extremist get angry and fire rockets in protest. Let's no forget the contemptious treatment palestinians have to endure everyday at the hand of isrealis soldiers, being patted, searched, asked for their pass and ids with (like during appartheid here). Next why do you condone a country oppressing another, why can boats come with aid/food/medicines to dock in GAZA, not isreal ports? Last big misconception that the hard core zionist try to push down people throat, the palestinians recognize isreal right to exist, even hamas cadres made that statement recently, mahmoud abbas has recognized their right since the start, and the majority of palestinians dont really care one way or another, they just want to leave in peace and in a sovereign state. Anyway, we can try to correct the lies and manipulation of the hardcore isrealis here, or jewish south africans who put isreal interest before their country, but seeing the thumbs up on pro isrealis post, seems this place in infested with one way thought.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 15:02

      pierreedge. I am not going to answer all of your questions/points. Rockets are fired, and Israel may fight back if they wish. The settlements only became an issue for the UN as an camouflage to the real problem - the Palestinians inability to accept Israel and have peace with them & the support they get from other Arab nations to this absurdity. I would like to know if you have read Hamas' charter? If so, then do you agree that they came to power democratically in Gaza? Well for your information - Hitler came to power democratically as well – & both on the pretext scapegoat of killing Jews. No such thing as illegal settlements on land that is still in contest. Settlements were perceived as very negative by most Israeli's (over 80%) but when Hamas took control of Gaza (after Israel left Gaza), and Israeli's realised there was no partner for peace... settlements grew as hopes for peace were dashed by Hamas. The previous owners of this "land" was Jordon, so until a final resolution comes to being - anyone can build on this land. Lastly, & importantly, as long as the Palestinians believe that terror is the way forward - they will never see a Palestinian state. Iran dictates the daily lives of the Palestinians under the context of Islam... as long as the Muslim world supports their fairytale dreams of conquering Israel, they will continue to suffer. You are brainwashed and confused – most people agree with Israel in silence, its time you investigated why yourself.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 15:11

      Zanu, Am afraid you're the one who's brainwashed, obtuse and living in the last century. The settlements ARE illegal, go the the un website to check the resolution pertaining to that, and the 20 odd ones signed by 90% of the states, but vettoed by the US. The blockade IS also illegal, same source UN website. Lasttly, the hamas charter drafted 20+ years ago have been contradicted by many hamas leaders, go read some objective news. Bottom line, stop the illegal settlements, abide by the law (UN resolution) and be fair, peace will follow.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 16:13

      I simply cite 2 facts stated in UN resolutions, and 10 people disagree. no wonder you can talk with those KKK type, not sure if they're islamophobic or racist against arabs or both even. no brains

      Shukriyya - 2011-06-24 18:28

      @ PIERREEDGE What a load of BS are you spweing? you said 'Let's no forget the contemptious treatment palestinians have to endure everyday at the hand of isrealis soldiers, being patted, searched, asked for their pass and ids with (like during appartheid here)' Absolute BS.. I am South African living in Israel,on Wednesday acyually spent the night in the Old City of Jerusalem and YES even went into the Arab neighbourhood of Silwan.There where even Arabs?palestinians and woman dressed in full Burkas walking around the Old City without being pulled aside and asked to see their papers..They we walking side by side with Israeli's and American tourists.No one harrassed them about papers or ID's...They only place they check for ID's is when you enter the Holy Area's like the Western Wall and the Al Aqsa Mosque area,and may I add every single person,Israeli.America and Arab is checked when entereing this area..So please get your facts straight!!! Silwan was lovely,I was afraid about what I have seen of the place on TV,but the area was an absolute delight,there was a big Lights Festival in Jerusalem that ended in Silwan.There were groups of young Arabic youth all over the Old City,and in Silwan they were all just hanging out like normal kids around the world,there were tourists speaking to the kids in Silwan,it was amazing to hear Arabic all around us.And yes there was IDF presence throughout The Old City and Silwan,but they we just standing on the sidelines,No one was asked for ID

      Shukriyya - 2011-06-24 18:44

      @ Pierreedge The youths and Elders within Silwan were welcoming to both Isaeli's and American Tourists.The IDF were all around Jerusalem,but more as a presence.no one had to show papers or ID.unless you want to enter the Holy area's of the Wailing Wall or the Al Aqsa Mosque,and then every single person no matter whom they are gets their ID's and bags checked,YES even Israeli's. The people who are checked daily are people crossing over from Gaza into Israel,and Israel has every right to do this for it's citizens security-you would demand the same protection from your government. Oh and another thing even Israeli's are checked for ID's and have their bags or cars checked when entered any building in Israel.This is not only for Palestinians or Arabs.This is a security thing for us all living in the region. And please educate yourself on Israel and it's so called racist practices.We have Palestinian/Israeli's serving within the IDF/Police,even play in national Sports Teams(this did not happen in SA during apartheid),The Palestinians even have Palestinians Ministers within the Israeli Knesset(parliament),and over 1 million Israeli/Palestinian's have full Israeli rights to free Health care,voting and yes even an Israeli passport.So sick of the misinformation the world buys into against Israel.I am not saying things are perfect,BUT they are FAR from what the Apartheid was like in SA,I was in SA during Apartheid,I know what that looks like.So PLEASE STOP SPEWING BS Israel!!

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 19:05

      YOU STOP SPEWING OR VOMITTING YOUR BS. Assuming you really live there, then obviously you see one side of the coin. If everything was so hunky dory, isreal wouldn't be the talk of the world and the cause of this 40 year old conflict and we wouldnt even be here exchanging. Go educate yourself, read those reports from amnesty international (yeah i know, you will say they are managed by arab countries or some BS like that) and shut up. and this is only for this year, previous reports were much worse... http://www.amnesty.org/en/region/israel-occupied-palestinian-territories/report-2011

      Shukriyya - 2011-06-24 21:37

      @pierreedge YES I actually live in Israel,I have been staying here for almost 3 years now,and have stayed in Israel during the last Intifada..Would love to see your reaction to having you loved one blown up by a suicide bomber while on their way to work or school..Hamas has an agenda to wipe Israel off the map and to injure as many innocent Israeli's as possible. When Israel retaliates to the rocket fire the media love to play itup as Israel is the aggressor. I did say before Israeli is by no means perfect,especially this current government!1My friend and family all despise their policies,so don't go assuming all Israeli's don't want freedom and equal rights for Palestinians!!!We want them to live in dignity just as all of us here. The Palestinians within Israel have full rights to health/voting and can even join the army/police and play in Isreali sports teams..This did don't happen in Apartheid in SA...So please get you facts straight.Gaza has to choose their own future and denounce leaders who embrace violence & continue to isolate the innocent people of Gaza.I know the facts.Do yourself a favour and visit Israel for urself,before assuming all Israeli's want Palestinians to suffer for no reason!! dumbass

      Shukriyya - 2011-06-24 21:38

      haha..gotta love the typo's :) you get the just! I actually am involved in Human Rights Groups within Israel,calling for equal rights for all Palestinians.I am a member of Peace Now,The Federation of Israel-Palestine & Hand in Hand:Center for Jewish-Arab Education in Israel(check these out).SO please stop your assumptions about where I stand on the right of Palestinians. I hate that the innocent people of Gaza have to face collective punishment for the terrorist group Hamas,but unfortunately only the people of Gaza can choose their leaders,they can embrace non violent leaders. You would not allow the SA government to allow rockets landing into SA or suicide bombs on buses or cafes to take out as many innocent lives as possible,you WOULD demand the SA government to protect the citizens by all means possible.It's so easy to point fingers when it's not in your back yard,isn't it? and FYI this ridiculous right wing government did not win the last elections,but they formed a coalition and Shimon Peres has the final say who gets to become the PM of Israel.Livni actually won the last elections.You will be surprised at the demonstrations at the check points by Israeli's themselves.So many are refusing to serve in the IDF especially if they have to go into Gaza,where is the media reports on this? and most Israeli's do not support the settlement in East Jerusalem!

      pierreedge - 2011-06-27 17:18

      Thanks for the "dumbass" term of endearment, i love you too. I can see that you are an israeli before being a south african, so your bias is established. And your immediate use of insult simply because i disagree with you shows your close mindedness and obtuseness. Impossible to discuss in those conditions.

  • daaivark - 2011-06-24 08:20

    Provocation??!! Towards what is arguably the most provocative and belligerent nation on earth. Israel's perpetual calling foul when people balk at their oppression is really getting very tedious.

      Dan - 2011-06-24 09:29

      @daaivark your narrow minded assessment of the Israel / Palestinian situation is getting tedious.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 09:42

      Anti-Semitism hasn't gone away; it's merely morphed into hatred of Israel. The Jews will never be "loved". The world will love the Jews greatly were they to roll over and die, and that is not going to happen. I'm with Machiavelli -- it is far, far better to be feared than to be loved. which is why I will support them to the best of my ability. There are 45 Arab/Muslim nations. There is only one Jewish nation - and it is the size of the Kruger National Park.

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 11:05

      Not much more than the perpetual justifications of an aggressive regime. Sorry if sanity bores you.

      daaivark - 2011-06-24 11:06

      Zanu, there is no connection between the faith of friends in SA and a belligerent government. They do not equate.

      Will - 2011-06-24 11:15

      Jews aren't semites. People of the middle east are semites whether they are jews, christains, muslims, pagans, hindus. Most of the jews in Isreal are eastern european so hence if you don't like them its not anti-semitism. Go read an encyclopaedia.

      Waleed Toefy - 2011-06-24 11:21

      the founder of your ism ZANU was himself anti-semetic, so if you want to consatantly have a victim mentality as justification for the mass murders, then start with your founder Source: http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/Herzl_quotes.cfm

      Palian - 2011-06-24 11:22

      I agree, daaivark

      Palian - 2011-06-24 11:30

      AH!!! I WAS WAITING FOR THE ANTI-SEMITE CARD!! You don't let your zionist side down, do you? Do you get a meddle and an illegal settlement home for this? If hating zionism means detesting apartheid and oppression etc e3tc et al ad nausium, then YES....I AM AN ANTI SEMITE TOO!! Why you make it sound like a bad thing, Hymie? And whats more, the zionist there are not real Semites. They are Khazar's from the Caspian region who CONVERTED to Judaism under threat of the Khazar king.The true people of Palestine, ie the PALESTINIANS, are the true Semites. Hows THAT for being educated and vocal about it ? Oh let me guess...its ANTI SEMITIC ;( boo f@ckung hoo hoo

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 11:58

      the following are quotes from MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR: "I cannot stand idly by, even though I happen to live in the United States and even though I happen to be an American Negro and not be concerned about what happens... to the Jews in Soviet Russia. For what happens to them happens to me and you, and we must be concerned." "Israel's right to exist as a state in security is uncontestable." "Peace for Israel means security, and we must stand with all our might to protect its right to exist, its territorial integrity. I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality." "I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all." "When people criticize Zionists they mean Jews, you are talking anti-Semitism."

      observer - 2011-06-24 12:21

      Martin Niemöller a pastor famously said of his experiences in World War II: First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me

  • Cornix - 2011-06-24 09:34

    Wow, Hillary! I must say, I am pleasantly surprised. At least someone who display some common sense. Didn't expect you to oppose it.

  • za101 - 2011-06-24 10:25

    Hillary said: "And we think that it’s not helpful for there to be flotillas that try to provoke actions by entering into Israeli waters and creating a situation in which the Israelis have the right to defend themselves," People are suffering becuase of Israel. The flotillas are trying to change that

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 10:43

      People' suffering is self-imposed! If the Palestinians stop terror and vote to live in peace with Israel, then all these pathetic propaganda will disappear into history... I’m glad most normal people are able to see above all this blind hate towards Israel. If they truly wanted peace, they would have had peace generations ago. However, their hate blinds them, and their religion proclaims them to fight till the end, and their leaders ride the gravy train to Swiss bank accounts on their own people's shoulders…and Israel will continue to defend herself through all this.

      Cornix - 2011-06-24 10:51

      @za101 - Remember, Israel does not block the flow of goods into Gaza. Israel even said that the flotillas may provide goods, as long as they do so via the port of Ashdod. But of course, they rejected the offer. *shrug*

      Zee - 2011-06-24 10:53

      Maybe the "terror" would never have started if Israel hadn't been created on stolen land, because their God said it's ok for them to do so. Maybe the "terror" would stop if Israel stopped it's constant daily expansion of settlements. Maybe the "terror" would stop if they allowed food aid, fuel, educational tools and medical supplies into Gaza, infact, maybe the "terror" would stop if the illegal blockade is lifted? Opress someone, and they will try and defend themselves. Some people choose to call this terrorism as it's the trendy word for anything that goes against what Israel/America feels. Zionists are shifty, they know how to use proaganda very well. Almost as well as Goebbels himself ironically.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 11:24

      land was not stolen. You can’t have Genocide or ethnic cleansing if the Palestinians are not dying in mass like the Holocaust, Rwanda, or Congo... or even the way Kadafi is killing his own. If anything Israel has always wanted and voted for peace. Palestinians attacks, deaths and their use of human shields is a war crime done by Hamas! You want to see an area cleansed then where did all the Christians and Jews that lived in the Arab world go? Why are Gays disappearing in Iran and Saudi… why are women stoned for being raped in this world you seem to represent? Israel has a 20% Muslim population who earn a better living then any of their neighbours... who vote and live anywhere in Israel... if anything your comment of human rights atrocities are more true to Israel's neighbours rather than Israel... "Oppress someone, and they will try and defend themselves" - you 100% right Zee, Israel will defend herself! too many Jews got licked out of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Saudi, Lebanon, Tunisia, Syria and Yemen... you lost your return note to the land when the Arab world told you to leave while they kill Israel... but you can take up any one of the empty spots the "Jew" left for you anywhere in the countries above...

      Waleed Toefy - 2011-06-24 11:26

      Isreal vs Judaism: http://www.israelversusjudaism.org/ free your brain from the strings...

      kubs - 2011-06-24 11:32

      @ Zanu..It getting to the point now where pro israel lunatics are starting to believe in their lies\propoganda..Its the same kind of sickness that has landed SA whites in the situation they are in today..dont people ever learn..evil never prevails..Palestinians are starved,degraded...they are not merely forced to react..it becomes the only rational thing to do.."If anything Israel has always wanted and voted for peace"..lol..that has got to be the joke of the year

      Cornix - 2011-06-24 11:51

      Recently, I read some comments made by Lebanese Christians. They want peace with Israel and respect Israel's right to exist. However, the presence of Hezbollah and Syria makes it very difficult. Hence, it is quite clear who are against Israel's existence.

  • Fair Deal - 2011-06-24 13:18

    Well if they try to run the blockade they know what to expect. This is all a publicity stunt in order to galvanise world oppinion against Israel They will continue to send their cannon fodder into battle to sensationalise their unjust cause. As they have previously stated they value death and we value life.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 18:31

      yeah for sure, isreal values life so much the bring death to anyone who doesnt agree with them. like the 1500 civilians murdered by the isreal army couple of years ago and the thousands killed here and there. we live in ironic times, obama gets a peace nobel prize while engaged in 2 wars and isreal value life according to the brainwashed here while sending tanks against hunting rifles... Last victim the palestinian teenager shot at the gaza border during a peaceful demonstration when the valliant isreali army opened fire with live ammunition in the crowd. Question, are there any south africans on this page??? i cant believe it seeing the unidirectional agreement that prevail here. are you all isrealis or member of extreme right european parties (for corniox it's clear seeing his extremist web site reference)

      Zanu - 2011-06-25 06:02

      I’m a White male South African, from Edenvale, Gauteng I have fought to bring down Apartheid; am personally friends with Madiba and have met him in his Houton home numerous times I will defend human rights around the world to the best of my abilities. And I fully support a Palestinian home. However, I will not accept the Delegitimisation that tarnishes Israel's reputation, and advances the One-State Solution this is going on in Muslim communities around the world. I blame the Palestinians problem squarely at the Palestinian leadership, weather it be a corrupt Arafat, a power hungry PA, or a terrorist organisation like Hamas. The crux is that if the Palestinian take hold of their own lives and renounce terror - Israel/Palestine will live in peace. however I believe religion has come into play here, and terrorist organisation are using Islam as a pretext for war with Israel, and unfortunately many millions of Muslims are buying into it, whereby the only conclusion is a very unhappy Palestinian population. You my friend can stop using Israel goods, stop using their medicine and many different forms of health care, or your I-phone, Blackberry or you DSTV decoder as they all have chips in them produced in Israel. you will have to stop eating fruits and vegetables in SA as almost all large farm use farming products & techniques from Israel... I can go on and on... but I will end here... cause I know far too well the human being I am dealing with on the other side of these talkbacks

      pierreedge - 2011-06-27 17:35

      White male south african yeah right. Any South african living in Joburg would know how to spell Houghton... Since you talk of Iphone, i wonder how you program the GPS (Isreali invention for sure LOL) with houton.... For the hamas vote, palestinians in gaza supported plo for years, over 40 years to be exact and it got them nowhere, so as any sane person, they said what the hell, let's try hamas, cant be worse. This is resistance that's all, you and your buddies want to call it terrorism, go ahead. Others call it fighting injustice. Lastly, to think that isreal is the beacon of the world and that all good thinggs on earth were discovered or invented in isreal and that we, the rest of the world, couldnt live/eat or survive without them prove that you are totally brainwashed and part of the elected people of zion. Another biased contributor here i see. I leave you with these words from the United nations, not from me: Occupied territories, illegal settlements, illegal blockade and the big United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 which is the start of all this injustice and all the troubles we have today due to isreal ensuring that this lawful resolution was NEVER applied. The rest is history

  • Cornix - 2011-06-24 13:45

    A bit quiet here at the moment. Oh, I've almost forgot, the Muslims have all gone to mosque.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 14:11

      While they are at Mosque, I hope the imam teaches them the true form of Islam. I hope the Imam stresses that they are the religion of peace, and as such, any support to any terror organisation, whether it be Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran’s regime is wrong, for they do not stand for peace. Furthermore, the below verses from the Koran should be taught, as they have been pushed aside by fundamentalists around the Arab world. The Qur'an relates the words by which Moses ordered the Israelites to conquer the Land:"And [remember] when Moses said to his people: 'O my people, call in remembrance the favour of God unto you, when he produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave to you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people, enter the Holy Land which God has assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.'" [Qur'an 5:20-21] Moreover - and those who try to use Islam as a weapon against Israel always conveniently ignore this point - the Holy Qur'an explicitly refers to the return of the Jews to the Land of Israel before the Last Judgment - where it says: "And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd.'" [Qur'an 17:104] To all Muslims please read your Qur'an (The land was put aside for the Jews your Qur'an says so)

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 14:43

      That is Sooooo clever So for you this is a conflict between muslims all over (Including SA) and jews everywhere. No wonder we read so many dumb comments here, when you will understand that it's about a country oppressing a population, like the apartheid regime here you will have made a great step, but you need to grow up first and get some maturity. All decent people should boycott isreali product in the mean time to protest this injustice lating for over 40 years.... Bottom line: The initial UN resolution at the time was clear: the establishment of 2 states. 40 years later we see the result. Isreal did everything they could to ensure that a palestinian state never saw the light, peace roadmap here, 1 step forward 2 steps back, sign a new peace plan, then sneak behind and build a few more thousand illegal settlement in the occupied teritorries etc etc, and isrealis voted for governments who pushed this agenda, so dont come crying now if you get a few rockets from time to time. The palestinians are understandably fed up with this long term injustice.

      kubs - 2011-06-24 14:46

      I guess u didnt consider the possibility that maybe they realize all u pro Israel lunatics are lost causes..chew on this then ..2 of our own Nobel peace winners, Mandela and Tutu, are pro Palestine and condemn Israel's actions..now go slither back to ur holes and continue to justify in ur minds that u are on the right side of this conflict

      Cornix - 2011-06-24 15:10

      @pierreedge - You are obviously not educated about Islam. @kubs - It's easy for a left, liberal person to take the Palestinians' side. I don't buy it.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 15:19

      What an incoherent comment, What has religion got to do with international laws. poor confused guy, i cant blame you, you do what you can with the brain you got.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 15:27

      Apartheid can not end because it doesn’t exist: There is no Apartheid in Israel. Israeli Muslims citizens vote, work, pay taxes, love, live take part in the parliament & visit anywhere in Israel. Palestinians vote in Palestine, Hamas democratically came to power. And they have voted for the Palestinian Authority. thus there is not apartheid in Israel , but I will tell you where there is, in most of the Arab world, where a Jew is not only not allowed to live, but even to visit... and I am not even gona start talking about all the racism that Gays, women, and other smaller denomination have to face. But you, you concentrate on Israel, ignoring everything else. Tutu is pro-Palestine so are many old freedom fighters, but Madiba was defiantly not pro-Palestinian, never did he publicly support their cause because he hated the methods they used, and this is the difference between the ANC of yesteryear and the Palestinians of today; the one was peaceful, the other violent – and violence, as Madiba explained, never gets you anywhere (which is why the Palestinians today have no home – their own doing)

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 15:28

      BTW, I am also pro-Palestine. I believe they deserve a state, that they have been wronged! But I do not believe they have been wronged by Israel. They have been used by Arab dictators as pawns - to never have peace. Arab dictators have used them in order to stay in power. Every time debate started - they would all agree that Israel is enemy number one; all differences should be put aside until Israel is destroyed. In 1948 the Arab armies of Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan and Saudi told the Muslim population of Palestine to leave so that they could eradicate the Jews. This failed and many Muslims were left homeless… my question is why, until today were they not given citizenship in any place they have called home for the last 60 odd years… because they are still used as pawns in this war.

      Cornix - 2011-06-24 15:35

      @pierreedge - You will be surprised when you learn that religion has got everything to do with what is happening between Israel and the states surrounding them.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 15:45

      Incorrect. This is part of the propaganda machine started by isreal many years ago. Your brain is conditionned to believe that. The issue is not with states around them, but with ONE only, palestine, who they ensured couldn't create a state. After that, other states took sides obviously, the US blindly behind israel and some arab state nearby. This is totally normal, but the original conflict is not about religion, but about land, sovereignty and international law. Let me know when you go back to a neutral objective mode, we can talk then, but as long as you're brainwashed it's pointless.

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 16:02

      You have been brainwashed by fundamentalist religious propaganda - Your brain is conditioned to believe that Israel = bad & terrorist = freedom fighters. US, Canada, Australia and the European Eunion are anything but blind they closer to brave! It’s more the eastern totalitarian dictatorships of Egypt, Yemen, Syria, Baharian, Iran and many others that are blind. The UN has automatic 45 votes by Arab and Muslim countries vrs Israel’s one single vote - so yes all resolutions are against Israel, making a mockery out of the UN, and as such rendering many resolutions null and void. pierreedge let me know when you go back to a neutral objective mode, we can talk then, but as long as you're brainwashed it's pointless.

      pierreedge - 2011-06-24 16:11

      Even your retort is non sense. Now as the law doesn't suit you you chose to ignore it by de-legitimizing the UN, wow that's rich. Israel only one vote??? so what about the US, England and all the other countries you mention. And by the way, for your information and enlightenment (lots of work there), there is around 190 member states, not 45... You're really too puerile, good bye

      Zanu - 2011-06-24 16:26

      And you’re an Infantile! What I meant was that in the UN the Palestinians are blindly given an automatic 50 votes (There are 50 Muslim-Majority countries in the world according to Pew Forum studies as of October 2009.) out of the 190 nation states - swinging the vote away from Israel’s only one. Always outnumbered! Only brave nations have the guts to vote against the Arab block… and they usually abstain not too piss off opec. Anyways… you’re a lost cause… Salam

      Cornix - 2011-06-24 16:42

      @pierreedge - You want to know why I say it's religion? ... because of what is happening all over the Muslim world, and even some places in Europe and the US. Check out the following sites (to name a few): http://www.jihadwatch.org/ http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/

  • Talknic - 2011-06-25 03:25

    Uh? "Israeli waters"? They're headed into PALESTINIAN waters.

      Zanu - 2011-06-25 06:12

      As long as missiles rain onto southern Israel, and there is a war between Gaza & Israel. Furthermore, as long as the Palestinians support terror through Hamas - there will never be such a thing as PALESTINIAN waters. When they renounce terror - there will be PALESTINIAN waters because there will be peace.

      The huntchback - 2011-06-27 20:06

      @Zanu you one persistant zionist, I have read most of your Israeli fed proppaganda that you keep on spewing all over this thread. How much are they paying you? Its as clear as daylight Israel is guilty of horrors which is more and more resembling the Holocaust. The only difference is Hitler did not have the USA and Hollywood as his Allies, if he did (have hollywood and uncle Sam as Allies) I am sure he would have been given a medal for his ``Courages Deeds``

  • astrix1 - 2011-06-28 12:10

    Daai vark and kie.... Israel sure got the right to defend themselves against those who has the want to destroy them as a nation and to wipe them from the face of the earth. The flotila is provoking and if Israel retaliate to their ill intend, so be it, they were asking for it.

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