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Desecration video - 2 marines identified

2012-01-12 22:41

Washington - Defence Secretary Leon Panetta has promised Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai a full investigation of an internet video that purports to depict four US Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters - a video both men condemned on Thursday as deplorable.

At least two of the four men have been identified as Marines based at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, said a Marine official, speaking on condition of anonymity because there is an active criminal investigation of the incident.

In a public statement, Panetta said such behaviour is "entirely inappropriate for members of the United States military" and that those responsible will be held accountable.

The video, posted on the internet, shows men in Marine combat gear standing in a semi-circle over three bodies. It's not clear whether the dead were Taliban or civilians or someone else. The title on the posting called them Taliban insurgents and said the men were from Camp Lejeune.

Officials did not officially verify the video's origin or authenticity but had no evidence to doubt what it was.

"It clearly appears to be to us what it appears to be to you - troops urinating on corpses," Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby told reporters on Thursday.

The two men who have been identified were members of 3rd Battalion, 2nd Marines, based at Camp Lejeune, the main Marine base on the East Coast, said the official speaking anonymously.

Some of the four are no longer in that battalion, which returned from Afghanistan in late 2011, said the official, who gave no other information about them.

The video was roundly denounced in the US and Afghanistan alike.

Inexcusable

Karzai called it "completely inhumane". The Afghan defence ministry called it "shocking". And the Taliban issued a statement accusing US forces of committing numerous "indignities" against the Afghan people.

"First they killed the Afghans with mortars, and they then urinated on their bodies," Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid said of what is shown in the video. "We strongly condemn this inhumane action by the wild American soldiers."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "total dismay" at the video and said it was "absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to".

Panetta, who phoned Karzai to discuss the incident, said the actions in the video, if confirmed, were inexcusable.

"I have seen the footage, and I find the behaviour depicted in it utterly deplorable. I condemn it in the strongest possible terms," Panetta's statement said. "Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent."

The video came to light at a delicate time in relations among the United States, Afghanistan's elected government and the Taliban insurgency fighting for both territorial control and cultural and religious pre-eminence in Afghanistan.

The US is trying to foster peace talks between the Karzai government and the Pakistan-based Taliban high command, and has made unprecedented offers to build trust with the insurgents, including the planned opening of a Taliban political office to oversee talks.

One of the largest obstacles to peace discussions has been widespread Afghan contempt for US military tactics. Opposition to the US and Nato military presence in Afghanistan usually centres on civilian casualties from military engagement, although the vast majority of those deaths are caused by the insurgents.

The video is likely to resonate with those opposed to the US presence and to peace with the US-backed Karzai government.

Variety of investigations

US officials seemed to have ordered a variety of investigations:

 - Panetta said he had ordered the Marine Corps and Marine General John Allen, the top commander of the Nato-led forces in Afghanistan, to fully investigate.

 - In a written statement, the commandant of the Marine Corps, General James Amos, said he requested on Wednesday evening that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigate, and that the Marines would, separately, do their own internal investigation.

"The Marine Corps will not rest until the allegations and the events surrounding them have been resolved. We remain fully committed to upholding the Geneva Convention, the Laws of War, and our own core values," Amos said.

The Nato-led security force in Afghanistan released a statement on Thursday saying, "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces."

The actions "appear to have been conducted by a small group of US individuals, who apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan", the International Security Assistance Force said.

The statement did not identify the personnel or explain why the ISAF thought they had left the country.

Desecration of the dead

A spokesperson at Camp Lejeune would not confirm reports that the Marines were based there. "We have had elements of that unit that have deployed to Afghanistan and have returned.

However, we have not yet confirmed if anyone in the video is from that unit, or whether they are attached to a unit from Lejeune," said Scott Sasser.

Pentagon officials said the criminal investigation would likely look into whether the Marines violated laws of war, which include prohibitions against photographing bodies and detainees and a range of other rules.

Mujahid urged the UN and other international groups to end such actions by US troops. On Wednesday, the Council on Islamic-American Relations, a prominent Muslim civil rights and advocacy group based in Washington, protested the video in a letter to Panetta.

"We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation's military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions," the group wrote.

"If verified as authentic, the video shows behaviour that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians," the letter said.

Comments
  • Dar - 2012-01-12 23:01

    wht else do you expect from savages

      Boer - 2012-01-13 04:18

      Disgusting behaviour and that nogals from the so called elite Marines. An embarresment for the US.

      RE - 2012-01-13 05:56

      i dont get it... the whole world can see USA and their barbarian so called "army" is the evil ones, but they still let them invade other countries and wage wars against innocent people, why not invade usa and kill the whole illuminati and the powers behins the nwo??

      Charl - 2012-01-13 07:10

      This is something the US Army cannot be proud of, but we only see this because every cellphone has a camera, and there is an idiot filming these acts. What do you think happen where genocide is commited in a country? Far worse things I am sure.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 07:46

      Do you realise they are at war?? Blowing someone up is less gross than pissing on a corpse?

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:50

      Garth even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "total dismay" at the video and said it was "absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to".

      John - 2012-01-13 08:41

      This is a Reitz 4 storm in a teacup all over again! So, they p!ssed on some carcasses, big deal! They didn't behead them, they didn't torture them, they killed them quickly and for dodging their bullets, they took a well deserved p!ss on them. No problem!

      GWS - 2012-01-13 08:48

      The Pentagon is allowing the Philistines to win this round of propaganda. They should have just declined to comment. These guys are doing a great job in that heathen country.

      John - 2012-01-13 09:55

      This is exactly why film crews and cameras shouldn't be allowed in a war zone! War is war and these guys were sent there to do a job they were trained for ....to kill and not be killed. Clinton is the top democrat bunny hugger and would do anything to be in everyone's good books. She is a snake deluxe and if she proclaims the sun is shining, send up a probe and go and check! Well done to the MC for ridding the planet of these vermin. And in future, p!ss in a bush when cameras are trained on you....how stupid do you want to be??

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 10:31

      John I dont think you read the article. Even these idiots bosses are looking down on this incident saying things like "it was absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to". This basically means that these soldiers were not trained to pee on their dead enemies but rather to respect their lives even after death. Thus maintaining the moral high ground in this ilegal war they are waging in so many countries around the World right now.

  • Sinesipho Mbusi - 2012-01-12 23:13

    Shows the sadism behind this pointless, senseless war. The war itself is gruesome, never mind the lot urinating on corpses. And damn the person who gave politicians the word 'condemn', that's how they pacify us until the issue is no longer headlining in the news. *sigh* it's all so hopeless.

      Omnivore - 2012-01-12 23:21

      Couldn't have said it better.

      ubhejane - 2012-01-13 01:06

      This is truly one of the most disgusting scenes I have ever seen. On this occasion I won't be reading the comments that praise this action and I sincerely hope that I don't share a country with people that think this is the way you treat any human being. Terrorist or no terrorist.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 14:00

      I think travelling ten thousand miles to kill third world folk is the issue. Peeing on them when they are dead is not really going to cause the families more grief is it ? More anger maybe. This is yet another disaster for the Afghanistan campaign and again shows that the combatants on the ground have no conception of the overall purpose or aims of their role there.

  • infijar.ken - 2012-01-12 23:18

    Where is our resident fascist, Sharkshoot, to tell us the dirty stinking flip flops deserved it?

      GWS - 2012-01-13 08:51

      I see you're a Stormers supporter. No wonder you're such a wet blanket. Those flipflops got blown clean off with the mortars comrade.

      Abisali - 2012-01-13 13:13

      @GWS: Leave the Stormers out of it, that's JIHAD talk that is!

  • Cracker - 2012-01-12 23:19

    USA military recruitment notice: Only Hare Krishnas and Salvation Army members need apply.

  • robbieyahu - 2012-01-12 23:26

    REALLY ??? is it really despicable ??? pissing on the corpses is bad and evil ????????? and heavily condemned ???? my holy f@k !!! what the hell about KILLING them first before pissing on them ???? i mean KILLING THEM IS OKAY ??? AS LONG AS YOU DONT PISS ON THEM ...NOW PISSING IS EVIL AND KILLING IS NOT ???? how f-tup HAVE we become ??? this world is totally in a mess !!!!!

      George - 2012-01-13 04:58

      Spot on Robbie and I guess its ok for the Taliban to stone women to death but you dont hear the tree huggers saying anything about that. I find the whole thing disgusting but theres nothing more disgusting than the Talibans justice system I hope they all burn in hell.

      Juicecard - 2012-01-13 05:11

      Can`t say it better, a war zone differs from those hollyhood scripts.Pissing ain`t nothing compared to killing, so don`t expect some kind of high respect to someone who just missed taking my own life. War is for real

      Charmaine - 2012-01-13 07:20

      Robbieyahu, Right, but nothing is wrong with this world, it is us human beings that are f.. it up, as you know it is written: " And Nations Shall Not Know War Anymore" it is a pity though, it is 2012 on this Planet according to the calculations of man, and nothing has changed. It is people like us that have to make some changes to pave the way for the next generations. Human beings must sort out this mess that they are creating. Be blessed

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:24

      Well said Charmaine!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 07:48

      Thank you Robbie. I've been waiting for someone to say this.

      Hugh - 2012-01-13 09:10

      Not to mention what they do to the downed Marines, strip their bodies naked then drag them through the streets to name one. War numbs the moral sensitivity of good behavior. Until you've lived in a war zone critics, shut the hell up.

  • Benson - 2012-01-12 23:29

    And I suppose when the Taliban kills our troops, they pay their highest respects to the bodies, wrap them in virgin, white, cotton, sheets, and give them a proper burial? Last I heard, they mutilate the bodies, and hang them all over town. The US population have been fed a sanitized version of war "as a video game." Soldiers/warriors since the ancient Greeks and Persians, and probably way before that, have taken trophies(as in body parts), desecrated bodies, committed atrocities, etc. This is war, and if you don't like that it's not a high tech video game, let's get the troops back home.

      Dar - 2012-01-12 23:35

      Your troops should not have been there in the first place. Americans are nothing but savage war mongers.

      Dar - 2012-01-12 23:41

      oh and dont pull the '911' crap! and the 'they sheltered Usama bin Laden' crap! or the 'liberation of Afghanistani woman' crap. Take your savage army home!

      akaRags - 2012-01-13 04:58

      I'm not saying The Taliban are not ruthless, but the Marines are highly trained professional soldiers who should know better than to piddle on dead bodies AND take photos just for good measure, - to prove they did exactly what? Just because the Taliban do not respect the Americans, does that make it acceptable for US soldiers to do what they want? Are they not lowering themselves down to the level of the Taliban? I'm not underestimating the level of pressure they go through on the ground, "in war", we all make mistakes, however, those mugs decided to take a photo(s), - if they hadn't no one would have been any wiser, but they did and now it's come back to give them a good kick up the ass. Those soldiers don't get one bit of my sympathy.

      George - 2012-01-13 05:00

      Damn right Benson, perhaps if they did a bit of back trackiong and looked at the way the four security guards in Afganistan were publicly mutilated in the streets of Kandahar, hypocrites.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:49

      Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "total dismay" at the video and said it was "absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to". So you and these idiot marines in this video are both frowned upon by the same people who sent them there. Go figure Benson.

      John - 2012-01-13 09:58

      Dar, please apply for Afghanistan citizenship at your soonest convenience and we, the sane people of SA, will sponsor the dress and the fake beard till yours is suitable!

  • Cracker - 2012-01-12 23:29

    The USA has by now firmly established itself as a useless, unreliable and losing ally. A loser in anyone's book. All for the show. Once again we see how the average fool on the street is being made to perform and express his/her interned (by the military with full political support) disgust/hatred for the enemy and and then being penalized. Hillary Clinton must just realize that the USA is not a trusted ally and WILL fold on its so-called allies and that the world is watching and seeing it. Would the Taliban have cared about international and/or domestic/media politics if the shoe was on the other foot? One must as well think that the USA is deserving what it's getting. Just such a pity that also the fool in the street and his/her family will pay the price.

  • Tian - 2012-01-13 00:29

    How stupid...

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:47

      I agree sir.

  • Robi - 2012-01-13 01:38

    In a war an enemy is eliminated and is not kissed. If everybody is crying about this, why did they send them to conflict zone?. Soldiers have only one mission in a conflict or war, to kill an enemy.No need to cry or purpose to place conditions on what to do with those killed. Victory is celebrated differrently.

      Juan - 2012-01-13 03:14

      Good comment Robi, and I think you brought up something that many of us could have missed. I am quite certain the Marines were not just happening to be passing by and then decided to go have a pee on dead corpses, in all likelyhood these Taliban terrorists engaged them just prior to this. Those are young men, and knowing young men, it's something they would do in a situation like that. War doesn't bring out the best in people.

      akaRags - 2012-01-13 05:23

      Yes, like you say, ONE mission, and that is to kill, not to urinate on bodies as an after thought. War is war, fair enough, but it is not like a sport to celebrated when you consider yourselves victorious. War is not a game. Those were professional soldiers who should have known better.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:45

      Even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "total dismay" at the video and said it was "absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to". If you dont understand Robi this means their "leaders" will punish them for acting like evil and childish retards.

  • Robi - 2012-01-13 06:08

    War or conflict victory is celebrated in a differrent ways. During old days your heard could be cut and paraded to everyone. During Iraq War and Mogadishoe conflict corpses of American soldiers were dragged on the streets of Bagdad and Mogadishoe. I believe that those soldiers were not urinating on humans, but corpses or remains of humans.They had only two options kill or be killed. It is not easy being in a war or conflict zone as a soldier.

      akaRags - 2012-01-13 09:14

      Yes they killed, it was conflict & war, it was them or the enemy & they did what they had to do, what they've been trained to do. However, America maintain they are a "civilized" country, defending the free world, & those marines are supposed to be highly trained professional soldiers, and urinating on bodies, even using the excuse they are "just" corpses, is not acceptable. They should be setting an example, to the rest of the world, seeing they claim they stand for freedom and democracy & that does not mean emptying their bladders over the bodies of those they killed. It is not acceptable for dead American soldiers to be dragged through the streets and likewise it is not acceptable for American soldiers to piddle on the dead they have killed. Just because such things were done in the "old days" does not mean it's acceptable now, but I guess men always need an excuse to justify the "celebration of victory", even in war. Those marines however, have only themselves to blame, - and even if you have a tendency to defend them, okay, maybe they were stressed and letting the steam off, but they were simply stupid to have taken photos, and for that, like I say, they have only themselves to blame, scapegoats or not, and they do not have my sypmathy.

  • Jaybee - 2012-01-13 06:50

    lets hope we wont witness another stupid terrorism or war

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:44

      I agree.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-13 08:42

      @JayBee that would really make the year but America's economy is run on war. Damn the man.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 14:52

      Spot on, its a war OF terror!

  • Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:10

    How anyone can defend killing another Human and then carry on to defend these "soldiers" for urinating over the dead bodies is a true indication of how de-sensitized our entire species has become. Besides brainless and thoughtless. We are taught in ALL our holy scriptures that killing another Human is wrong and that violence begets violence. Do we in our ignorant little minds truly believe we are "saving" these people and that they feel the same way? NO we are merely making more enemies. Children who have lost their parents through Allied forces bombing their homes will eventually oneday rise up from their sadness and anger towards the west and be the soldiers who will bomb our children. Does anyone understand that? We are creating a terrible unnecessary cycle. A cycle which will eventually lead to the degrading of standards of the species all together. In my honest opinion not even animals urinate on their dead. It is a sign of disrespect for the life which once occupied that body and the people who think this is absolutely normal should question their morals and ethics. I just dont get it. I just dont get why it is so easy to be an evil minion but so difficult to at least show some respect for a slain Human being which your Governments told you was ok to kill in the first place.

      richardjcw - 2012-01-13 09:15

      Dude. You have completely lost touch with reality. Go and read the idiotic things you are writing on this article and on peoples comments. You should be ashamed. Take a step back and look.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 09:52

      Richardjcq and that sir is your opinion. My opinion is that "you live by the sword and you will eventually die by the sword" and that we as the "adults" should set examples to future generations. As the great man said "be the change you would like to see in the World". I for one am trying to do that. Question you should ask yourself is "are you sir"?

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 12:53

      Shaun, let me explain to you in simple terms. Man A and man B kills man C. Man D sees that man A and B killed man C. In the mean time, man D (your way of thinking) will not live by the sword. Man A and B kills man D. Man C and D are dead now. But if Man D took up the weapon, he could have saved Man E and F and G etc etc.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 13:18

      Hotkop how has killing anyone ever solved any of mankinds problems? Funny how we are in the year 2012 and we are still killing each other. Funny hey? And for what might I add? Oil? Money? Because we grow up learning not to kill but then when we hit ages 18 - 30 we are told by our morally corrupt Governments we need to kill people. Ever heard of the Reichstad fire incident? Bay of Tonkin? Pearl Harbour? Operation Northwood? So listen carry on killing your brothers and sisters dumb bum who am I to tell you that you are a primitive neanderthal? Not I :)

      Heiku - 2012-01-13 17:07

      cool story bro

  • Charmaine - 2012-01-13 07:12

    Dear God, this is really Cruelty beyond Cruelty. We can con die in peace and even after death there is no Dignity. Human Beings, given gifts of hearing, feeling, sight and Intelligence, above all the Gift of Speech. They must be pissed on whilst they are alive and let them feel what the families of the departed are feeling about this CRIME towards the DEAD. They should also be flogged in public.The devils are ruling on this Planet Earth and believers are afraid to speak against these cruel acts.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:43

      I agree.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:17

      I'm reminded of the Iliad in which Achilles kills Hector and dishonours his body. Hector's father Priam comes and begs Achilles for the body of his son and Achilles is moved to tears and gives him the body. That war took place ca. 1194–1184 BC - about three thousand years ago. How far has "civilisation" come? Something to think about.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 10:34

      Graziella you rock my World sister :)

      Jaba - 2012-01-13 11:52

      hey Graziella... looks like you got a fan :) Why don’t you show him your real racist a vile world view... i.e. how you support the Chinese prosecution & occupation of Tibet, how you throw around figures to misrepresent the holocaust and vile hateful statements towards jews or your support of the mistreatment of women & gays by your best friend in Iran. Shaun - love at first sight could be a dangerous thing.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 12:09

      @Jaba With such ability to twist words, such mastery in misrepresentation it is such a pity that News24 aren't hiring. I think you would have found your spiritual home.

      Jaba - 2012-01-13 12:27

      Believe me girl – you would love me to work @ news24 – because I would NEVER delete your comments on this site! (Like they have been doing the last 2 weeks since you have arrived here) Your comments that describe you (and apparently now, your split personality) are deleted so often because of their disgusting content. I would on the other hand keep them as proof – that evil in sheep’ skin still exists.

  • Kyle - 2012-01-13 07:13

    But its alright for them to pump lead into these savage sand fleas.......cmon man, who wouldnt have pissed on someone that was trying to kill....

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:19

      "cmon man, who wouldnt have pissed on someone that was trying to kill"....I wouldnt. Killing them would be enough in my opinion. Urinating on them afterwards shows your level of maturity.

      George - 2012-01-13 12:29

      Kyle, I would have dropped a big steaming turd on them

      George - 2012-01-13 12:29

      Shaun go hug a tree

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 15:03

      George I will not be drawn into a conversation with someone who enjoys deficating on people. Sicko much?

  • Garth - 2012-01-13 07:20

    Reminds me of the story of two elephant bulls fighting in the Kruger National Park, as related by one of the former rangers. They fought over many hours, trampling hectares of vegetation, their hatred for one another palpable. Suddenly the younger one triumphed, spearing the older bull in his side, piercing the chest cavity. The vanquished collapsed as the younger bull continued to harry him, ensuring that his foe was dead. In an exuberant display of victory, still trembling with the effects of the adrenaline coursing through his body, he straddled the old boy and urinated on his head.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 07:42

      Garth are you saying you uphold the actions of Humans to act more like animals? You can obviously see where I am going with this one right? I mean even Secretary of State Hillary Clinton expressed "total dismay" at the video and said it was "absolutely inconsistent with the standards of behaviour that the vast majority of Marines hold themselves to". I mean even the people who sent these poor guys into this illegal war says its wrong. Jees Man you are too hectic for me. Hope this never happens to you or your family oneday. I mean animals and all. Male Elephants etc...

      Garth - 2012-01-13 09:08

      Hilary Clinton is a low-life, two-faced, back-stabbing liar and you hold her opinion in reverence? If I ever return to war and I commit atrocities as per the taliban, then getting pissed on when dead, would be the least that I would expect.

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-13 07:43

    This is PATHETIC!! The Taliban cuts your head off while alive. Now compare that to pissing on a Taliban corpse!

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:14

      You don't know if they are Taliban. You have no idea if they are peasants, villagers or what these dead people are. American soldiers have been killing civilians by the score ever since the vietnam war and dressing it up as battle.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 10:46

      What would the US gain in spending billions to go to s#ithole Afghanistan to kill civilians? You really have no clue what's going on around you.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:58

      The war profiteers and the weapons manufactures who fund both political parties in the US are the recipients of those billions your are referring to: LockHeed Martin, Black Water (Xe), Boeing, Bechtel, General Electrical, etc, and all the other companies that receive war contracts. War is a Racket!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 11:35

      So, I send soldiers to another country to kill civilians and the next day I'm rich?

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 11:47

      Hotkop where does the US army buy its arms and ammunition from? Ever asked yourself why the US army could not account for 2.8 TRILLION Dollars the other day? Ever asked yourself why the US economy is almost bankrupt? If you failed to find the answer...the company is called DuPont. Go find out who owns shares in the DuPont company. Another big money maker is Halliburton. Go check who has shares there as well. Higher grade stuff I know but stuff you need to know to change the World brother :)

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 12:08

      They buy weapon systems from all over the world including South Africa. What does buying weapons have to do with going to another country just to kill civilians? You need to study the higher grade stuff so you can look at the subject of my discussion. The US are not in Afghanistan to kill civilians.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 12:09

      Oh, P.S. Blackwater is not a weapon manufacturing company. Get your facts strait.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 12:13

      Hotkop like I said higher grade stuff. Try and read my last post to understand my point. Every bullet fired by the US Government is bought from a company called THE DUPONT GROUP. Think about it buddy :)

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 12:25

      Higher grade stuff? No, this stuff I understood when I was 7 years old. "Every bullet fired by the US Government is bought from a company called THE DUPONT GROUP" THAT IS TOTAL BS! These are the top US suppliers: Alliant Technologies, Olin Corporation, L-3 Communications, Singapore Technologies Engineering Ltd wich is all over europe and Singapore. And do you think that the only equipment and munitions used in war is bullets? Where did they get their MRAP?? IT's SOUTH AFRICAN. Leave the higher grade stuff to the educated.

      George - 2012-01-13 12:34

      Graziella, please read a book and find out what Blackwater really do, jeeeezzzz, you may be better suited to writing to the Sowetan at least there you would get away with your lack of knowledge.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 13:01

      I know what Black water does. They provide mercenaries to the US armed forces. They are milking billions of dollars from US taxpayers via the Defence Department. They are also providing jobs to the apartheid rejects whose sport is killing brown people.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 13:07

      Hotkop like I said...higher grade stuff.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 13:28

      Wow Shaun, you are amazing!

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 13:29

      Graziella, apartheid rejects? What's that? And brown people? What's that?

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 13:50

      Thanks Hotkop.

  • Graziella - 2012-01-13 07:54

    The U of SA, killing brown people since 1953! Bloody savages. "America is the only country on Earth that has gone from barbarism to decadence without any civilization in between." - Oscar Wilde

      Craig - 2012-01-13 08:11

      Lose the chip wench.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 08:20

      @Irukandji What civilisation are you talking about. Was colinialisation civilisation to you, was apartheid civilisation to you. Have the colonialist behaved in a civilised manner in this country? Western Civilisation, as Ghandi observed, is a good IDEA. @Craig It's a historical FACT that the US has been slaughtering brown people wherever they may be found around the world, a practice that started with the Native Americans, followed by African slaves. Is this fact uncomfortable for you?

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 08:31

      Graziella, colonialists were civilised compared to your communist, genocidal ANC government. They managed to do more harm in their 18 year rule than any colonialist since 1652.

      Gerhard - 2012-01-13 08:34

      It is the white imperialists that saved you from the clutches of withcraft. You forgot???

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 08:39

      Graziella as much as I hate to admit this being a white guy but you are so correct in all your statements sister.

      Craig - 2012-01-13 08:40

      Not Denying that at all. But it seems you enjoy pointing a finger at evil white man when some of your "greatest" ancesters/ anti-colonial patrons where homicidal maniacs aswell. U Chaka and impaling ring any bells, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Gadaffi the list is long and distinguished. Just remember no race/colour is innocent. So think clearly before you spout out you tirades on the clear defincencies of western society! Oh and Have a Nice Day!

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 08:41

      The ANC is the government of South Africa for South Africans, not my personal government and the majority of citizens of this country would disagree with your assertions.

      Felix - 2012-01-13 08:48

      You do know they have 'brown people' in their military don't you? I heard there are even some living in the country...

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 09:17

      Have a nice too Craig!

  • Craig - 2012-01-13 08:07

    Typical Hypoctrits.... Whine rabidly when scumbags get what they deserve. But it's OK to cut a hostages head off with a hunting knife or burn dead soldiers/PSD personnel and drag their bodies through the streets while civillians kick and beat them and then hang their remains from bridges. Your are all nothing BS Hypocrits hiding your own shortcomings by pointing at the mistakes of others. I would soak them in Pork fat and bury them facing South or Face down redirecting them to where they belong = Hell

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 08:38

      Craig when someone does this perhaps to your beautiful family oneday I hope you are not there to see it because it would make you so sad about the statement you posted above sir.

      richardjcw - 2012-01-13 09:20

      And Shaun when someone is shooting at your family? trying to kill them? and you manage to kill them instead. I'm sure you will go and kiss the corpses of the people who were trying to kill you. Please move to Afghanistan.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 09:21

      The US is an empire and an empire is not run as a democracy. American citizens don't have any say on any of this. They just pay their taxes and send their kids to be cannon fodder. Their government encourages childbirth in order to provide the cannon fodder required for the endless wars. What's most frightening, these likely recruits, energized by their rage and emotions, feel comfortable inside a balloon of voluntary ignorance, eager to support such political nitwits as Sarah Palin.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 09:48

      Graziella. You don't know alot about the US do you?. I can help you if you want. I'm married to an American. There is currently NO draft in the US. You join the armed forces on a voluntary basis. Cannon fodder? They have the least amount of casualties in any conflict due to good training. Saying soldiers are eager to support the Republican Sarah Palin? Just shut up.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 09:58

      Richardjcw actually I would probably leave them in the place that they fell if I ever had to kill again and the proceed to call the cops. That is what any sane normal mature law abiding person would do right? Wait let me guess. Would you pee all over them? Is that the answer you would have given? If your answer was yes then you sir are a sicko like the freaks in this story above. Then again thats just my weird twisted opinion I guess.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:09

      There is something really badly wrong with a society that can produce people like this. It's the logical conclusion of the brainwashing process aimed at dehumanizing other human beings operated by all authoritarian killing machines. The US army is no exception... I'm sure their parents must be very proud of them now!

      Jaba - 2012-01-13 10:27

      Graziella, why are you whinning? muslims in the name of allah have just about cornered the market on inhumane acts towards others.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:46

      @Jaba Maybe that is because we know that the Islamic guerillas in Iraq and Afghanistan have never claimed a moral superiority with respect to humanity and mankind, we know that what they do is consistent with their perception of the world, whereas the American Nation is founded on the principles of right and dignity of man, and its governments' continuously preach on human rights everywhere they go. But there is a certain honesty about treating people this way. Better than "we are here to spread democracy".

      Paco - 2012-01-13 11:05

      u and the rest of the infidels are the only ones going to Hell

  • ian.bosch - 2012-01-13 08:28

    am 110% with gARTH on thisone phukkem .. when thye blow up kids and innocnets they are heroes. pissing on a terrorist scumbucket is no crime or misdeed at all i could think of worse thinsg to do to a muslim terrorists bury the phukker in a pigskin let hm live his eternity like that.. this is the kind of thing the SADF should have been doing ot those scumsucker MK trroists when they were killed too..

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 08:37

      Ian when someone does this perhaps to your beautiful family oneday I hope you are not there to see it because it would make you so sad about the statement you posted above sir.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 10:03

      I bet you his family will never be terrorists.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:11

      @Ian You probably haven't recently killed anyone although judging from your post its hard to be sure. They have an excuse ...you have none. A disturbing post. Deeply disturbing.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 11:49

      Perhaps they are farmers in the Free State?

  • Derek - 2012-01-13 08:45

    This is just the tip of the ice berg.

  • Jayne - 2012-01-13 08:46

    Oh come on people!!!! This is war, do you really think troops treat the enemies bodies with respect, I am certainly not condoning this but do you honestly think that this is the first or the last time that this will happen? Wake up people, this is not a fairy tale we are living in, this is life!!!!!!

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 09:59

      Jayne when someone does this perhaps to your beautiful family oneday I hope you are not there to see it because it would make you so sad about the statement you posted above ma'am.

      Garth - 2012-01-13 10:30

      Shaun you are a snivelling little wet blanket - put a sock in it son and for the last time: It is highly unlikely that anyone on here(possibly with the exception of the socialist-anarchist) is going to turn to terrorism as a means of expressing themselves. So it is therefore highly unlikely that this scenario could be played out on anyone's, that has posted here, family. However, in the current state of civil war in our beloved country, the cowardly, racist murderers of farmers and their families are prone to perpetrate such deeds, as in their minds they have the anc-given right that they are still `struggling'. These stories are however not published because then the anc and their ignorant supporters would have to face up to the genocide in our country. So, you need to wise up and harden up to reality. Try not to preach against that which you have never experienced.

      Shaun - 2012-01-13 11:50

      Garth I actually stopped reading your post after I got to the mature name calling. A really good sign of your maturity.

  • Velizar Georgiev - 2012-01-13 09:10

    so i guess they should of worn head cover and decapitated someone alive infron of camera---than it woul be ok

  • Hotkop - 2012-01-13 09:55

    In our country "da peepool" piss where ever and on what ever they want. I saw a "pesen" pissing in the parking lot, between the cars at the mall yesterday. How's that for BARBARIC!!

  • Shirley - 2012-01-13 10:05

    I still believe that those apposed to this behaviour are being hypocritical. The deaths of those corpses shown never receiced this outcry. The circumstances around that "situation" are unknown yet the deaths are accepted,the mental and physical breakdown of the soldiers[some barely out of school]is accepted but because the urinated on a corpse its a big deal? We accept the fact that in wartime bodies are bulldozed into mass graves,there bodies and or body parts are left strewn all over- where is the "respect" for the dead in that? Instead of having hysteria over something which I am sure occurs a LOT in war everywhere,shouldnt we as human beings be looking at the bigger picture-how do we prevent these wars,these DEATHS,the destruction of life to ALL the soldiers who are exposed to things we cannot imagine,then asked if they are lucky enough to live to return to society and lead a normal life. No person without some change in his/her mental state would just go and do this,so the question is-Do we punish a man we asked to go and be in the most AWFUL circumstances he will ever be in?? Or do we as humans recognise our own hand in this?

      Shirley - 2012-01-13 10:06

      Sorry that should be opposed.

  • gcshrimpton - 2012-01-13 10:14

    In the good old days we used to cut off ears from the dead terrs.So pissing on a dead terr is nothing 2 b ashamed off. Clinton u r a hypocritical bitch.Comment by Tickey and Friends against fatboy malema en sy ma winnie the poo.

      Graziella - 2012-01-13 11:04

      You post is disgusting, because there are people in this country who today think that currently is their "good days" and are inflicted unwarrented violence in people's homes and farms. Perhaps oneday they will post on this thread and remind us of their Good Ol'Days!

  • Graziella - 2012-01-13 10:19

    It's really hard to find enough volunteers ready and eager to kill without a hate and a sense of superiority over some sub-humans to be dominated. And the Western "way of life", religion and and propaganda excels in growing plenty of volunteering killers for the past 500 years at least.

      Hotkop - 2012-01-13 10:52

      Please tell me more of what you mean by: "plenty of volunteering killers for the past 500 years at least" AT LEAST 500 years? The west? The US? What planet do you come from?

  • Lynn - 2012-01-13 10:25

    Has anyone here watched "Attack on Darfur". I fail to see how urinating on a dead body is inhumane. I am not condoning it but lets get real. I would also hate to see it being done to a family member of mine. I do want to say though that most of us have not been in battle and do not comprehend the levels of stress and adrenalin involved. I am sure that having to do what these soldiers do daily is enough to cause some imbalanced behaviour.

      Paco - 2012-01-13 11:08

      stop trying to justify the disgusting actions of your cousins

      Lynn - 2012-01-13 11:15

      @ Paco why don't you watch that movie and then tell me what you think of the way Black people are being treated over there.

  • Mario - 2012-01-13 12:20

    Dear 2012 Apocalypse Please be true, and put an end to the lives of warmongers, bigots, imperialists, murderers, racists, speciesists, sheeple and internet bullies. Just end it all. Yours Truly Someone who's trying to make a difference before it's too late.

  • Peter - 2012-01-13 12:36

    I'm with Hilary Clinton on this one. We can't write off the entire US Marine Corps because four of them behaved like the immature, disgusting schoolboys they obviously are.

  • Bloed - 2012-01-13 12:53

    Comments like disgusting and inappropriate is a little fresh coming from a government that legalised the murdering of unborn babies and sodomy.

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