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Flotilla activists seek blood - Israel

2011-06-28 21:39

Jerusalem  - Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman said on Tuesday participants in an aid flotilla planning to challenge an Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip were seeking "confrontation and blood".

Pro-Palestinian activists have said around a dozen ships carrying aid to Gaza, territory controlled by Hamas Islamists, could depart from European ports in the coming days.

A year ago, nine Turkish activists, including a dual US-Turkish national, were killed in clashes with Israeli soldiers who raided a Gaza-bound convoy in the eastern Mediterranean.

Israel has said it will prevent the new flotilla from reaching the coastal enclave, and Lieberman repeated its offer to the activists to deliver aid via the Israeli port of Ashdod or through Egypt or the United Nations.

"They are clearly there to create a provocation, looking for confrontation and blood and for many pictures on television screens," Lieberman told Israel Radio, adding that there was a "hard core of terror activists" among the participants.

On their website, US participants in the flotilla said their intentions were peaceful and they would set sail "without weapons protection or threat of force".

Greek flotilla organisers said the propeller of a Greek passenger boat that was supposed to be part of the convoy had been sabotaged while docked near Athens. Greeks, Norwegians and Swedes were to have travelled on board.

"This is obviously the work of secret services and special forces," the statement from the organisers said, without disclosing whether the vessel was fit to sail.

Bad idea

At a news conference in Athens on Monday, a group of some 400 activists that included European MPs, a former CIA analyst and a 75-year Holocaust survivor, professors and authors complained that Greece was bowing to pressure from Israel and using bureaucratic tactics to try to block their departure.

Israel says its blockade of the Gaza Strip is aimed at stopping weaponry from reaching Hamas, which is shunned by the West because of its refusal to recognise the Jewish state, renounce violence and accept existing peace deals.

Palestinians say the blockade is illegal and is helping to strangle Gaza's underdeveloped economy.

On Monday, Israeli Defence Minister Ehud Barak urged governments not to assist the flotilla and said he had ordered the army to stop the vessels if needed.

The United States has supported the Gaza naval blockade and warned activists last week that the voyage would be irresponsible and dangerous.

Lieberman said Israeli leaders and officials had held "hundreds, perhaps thousands of discussions at various levels" with foreign governments to persuade them to urge their citizens not to join the flotilla.

French Foreign Ministry spokesperson Bernard Valero said the flotilla plan was a "bad idea that can only exacerbate tensions and we don't need more reasons for conflict at the moment". There were reports of two French ships taking part, he said.

"We don't have the legal recourse to stop boats leaving, but with others including the UN secretary general we have made clear we are against this," he told reporters in Paris.

An Israeli military source said Israel had information that some activists were planning to attack soldiers with acid and lethal chemical agents if they boarded the ships.

Dror Feiler, an Israeli participant in the flotilla, denied the allegation in an interview with Israeli Army Radio and said all of the passengers had signed a pledge of non-violence.

Comments
  • Zanu - 2011-06-29 06:23

    Flotilla activists seek blood. There is no other way to look at it.

  • Jaimo - 2011-06-29 07:05

    The Word of the Lord for Israel says: " No weapon formed against you will prosper, and any tongue that condemns you, you will refute . . and if they come at you in one direction they will FLEE in seven directions!" All nations. Be warned!

      Paco7 - 2011-06-29 08:08

      ooh ,we so scared by another story from your fairy tale book

      WATCHMAN - 2011-06-29 08:32

      Paco7 - do you have any valid or substantial proof to call the Bible a fary tale book, or are you just basing it on the sayings of others. Have you read it from cover to cover. I doubt it!!

      Matt - 2011-06-29 08:44

      Normally scoffers look at the main stories and say if couldn't happen, without reading the book to see just how loaded with wisdom and science it is... then when you quote said wisdom or science, they just make fun of it - because they WANT to mock God and the Bible. Plus they're often blinded by uniformitarianism. 2 Peter 3:3-5

      Matt - 2011-06-29 10:14

      @ Cornix - and theirs isn't? The Koran is laden with errors - it has Biblical stories where the two characters lived hundreds of years apart; it gives the Christian Trinity as God, Mary and Joseph... the story goes that Mohammed and co were writing the Koran, then a gust of wind swept their pages into the river - they clammered to salvage their paper, and then resorted to writing on papyrus anything they could remember that they'd just written... yeah, a really solid foundation for a holy, infallible book...

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 10:14

      even Christian Scholars believe it, its a fact. The original Bible is in Aramaic (the language Jesus spoke). Please show me an Aramaic Bible today? it doesnt exist anymore. The Bible considered to be closest to the original is the KJV Bible. And even that has been "edited" (and some say purify) and changed more than 250 000 times (fact) since its inception. How does one "edit" GOD's Word? This is why Muslims Believe in the Authentic Bible as the Word of God (as was with Jesus). But not in the Bibles of today because of mans additions (corruption) over time , even though there are many truths and beauty still found in it today. if you want to see more on the Islamic perspective regarding the Bible, then maybe watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJAB7fE5dvc

      Matt - 2011-06-29 10:36

      @ TheWally - Aramaic? No, the original OT is in Hebrew and the NT in Greek

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 11:17

      in Genesis it says that Ishmail is the ONLY SON of Abrahams about 8 times, then at the end it says that Abraham was going to sacrifice his ONLY SON isaac (at no point was Isaac the only son as Ishmail was older by a few years) who changed it in the end?, as for you other questions, you will find your answers here, it will take me forever to answer it all. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrVjXQktDw

      Cornix - 2011-06-29 11:21

      TheWally, your perception about the so-called corruption of the Bible is most probably based on the fact that the Bible has been translated into so many languages. Jesus wants the Gospel to spread all over the World and encourages the Bible's translation into people's mother tongues. Imagine a Japanese or Chinese Christian trying to read the Bible in the original languages, or having to learn those original languages in order to understand the Bible. As a Christian, I am proud to say that NO other book has been translated into so many languages. The Bible has even been translated into Arabic. Why would Jesus allow the Bible to be corrupted if He wants to make sure every living human being receives His message. Many theologists learn the original Bible languages, which are Hebrew (Old Testament) and Greek (New Testament) in order to ensure the correct meaning is conveyed. They sometimes point out inaccuracies in translations or words used slightly off the real meaning, but that is as far as it goes.

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 11:23

      problem is, i dont think this is you saying it, ...just saying. read the Quran or educate yourself with video's i recomended you on youtube with explanations from a scholar before "saying" things like "made up miracles" because if this is the way you reason, then theres no point... you want answers, im giving you answers, watch the video clips

      Cornix - 2011-06-29 11:37

      TheWally, about Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, have a look at the following page: http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/sacrifice.htm

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 11:51

      The original chruch of John the Baptist is in Saudi Arabia so i dont think Jesus would have a problem with it being translated into Arabic no. But while I and most Muslims agree with some of the things you just stated Cornix, the issue at hand is not quite as simple as that. With many interpretations over the centuries the Bible has evolved and has lost alot of the original meanings and in some cases even became to mean the exact opposite. (and thats the problem) This would always be the case if you cant go back to the authentic source (original Aramaic version) and all you got is "sources" that were already translated and was that persons own interpretations of the text. perhaps what im trying to say can be better explained by a Christian Theologian/ Historian. Please watch this video by a Christian Historian where he traces the origins of the Ancient Holy Texts. Its really worth the watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suseKsLEWKo

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 12:15

      @Cornix. here is the video debate of the owner and author of that website you just posted to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSrVjXQktDw

      Cornix - 2011-06-29 13:45

      TheWally, I will have a look at the videos tonight, because unfortunately, my company blocks Youtube during work hours. In my opinion, it is difficult to prove that the Bible has been corrupted, because if we still had access to the "authentic" versions, we would be able to correct the Bible and get those corruptions out.

  • WATCHMAN - 2011-06-29 08:36

    These activists will surely come short, and will be dutifully sorted out. My advice to them is to turn around and go home, but of course we know that that is not going to happen. The Israeli Defence Force will be and are ready for them. So when it happens, when the world is crying for them, I will not be doing so!!!!

      Matt - 2011-06-29 08:41

      Yup - the Israeli Defence Force is one seriously mean mofo... and can you blame them?

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 10:17

      they definitely mean as you say, watch a statement by them yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo

  • Matt - 2011-06-29 08:47

    Yesterday I mentioned the Talmud (with little response) - can a Jewish reader please explain to me what role this plays in Judaism because I have just read a ton of Talmud verses which disgusted me as a Christian - is all of that stuff true? Is the Talmud relevant in Judaism? And why are some of the points made in it regularly broken? I'm just asking out of desire to learn. Thanks

      barryjoelm - 2011-06-29 10:06

      I have no doubt you are referring to alleged derogatory Talmudic quotations re Jesus. Contrary to what the ill-educated conspiracy theorists and right-wing nuts have to say, these are NOT about Jesus. I am by no means defending the Talmud or Judaism, being an atheist - it's just that the jew-haters out there use the alleged verses and quotations to justify their hatred - please go to: http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

      Matt - 2011-06-29 10:20

      Thanks for the link! Not just about Jesus - about Christians directly, about some seriously bad attitudes towards non-Jews (Goim, Akum), and there's one part where I saw the pages from the Talmud ripped out and scanned, where it refers to the age of consent being 3 years old - I couldn't believe it but this came from scans of the book, rather than some internet whacko spouting rubbish... But at the same time, I see some of the nasty quotes of the Talmud are regularly broken - for example, where it says that a goim who endeavours to learn the Law should be killed, yet plenty of people convert to Judaism after 2 years of study... I doubt that, if the verses are true, that most Jews would stick to them - the Jewish friends I have are lovely people and I could never imagine that their kindness and friendliness was a ruse. So hence I was wondering, what role does the Talmud actually play in Judaism? (and so far nobody is answering...)

      TheWally - 2011-06-29 12:07

      @Matt: While i think you well within your rights to question a religious stance on something, i dont think its fair to seek answers from normal bloggers. Would it not be more rational to seek answers from Jewish scholars who study these texts and get their stance on it, rather than judging people who are not scholars? I am Muslim and not Jewish but even i can tell you that? You will also be doing your knowledge a considerable disservice if you get your religious information from anti Islamic, Jewish or Christians websites as sources of knowledge. I dont see Jews or Muslims going to an ignorant hateful website like www.evilbible.com, asking you a question (and then holding your views/answer to their question(s) as a representation and view of Christians in general).. this would just not be reasonable and i would consider anyone who does so to be an Ignorant Fool.. so please refrain, or get your answers from scholars in that religion and then maybe you have a valid stance if your questions are genuinely sincere in seeking a truthful answer.(i really hope you are sincere and not simply here to degrade people with your questions) do you think what im saying is fair?, do you think im being irrational in what i just said?...

  • TheWally - 2011-06-29 10:03

    "At a news conference in Athens on Monday, a group of some 400 activists that included European MPs, a former CIA analyst and a 75-year Holocaust survivor, professors and authors complained that Greece was bowing to pressure from Israel and using bureaucratic tactics to try to block their departure."

  • Cornix - 2011-06-29 10:07

    Greece as a Christian country SHOULD block their departure. The pressure they are feeling is actually the right thing.

  • meelo - 2011-06-29 11:59

    i see we have many oppressors and chosen people reading. Who want everything for themselves and damn the rest. By the way when did Israel gets its name which year?

      Zanu - 2011-06-29 12:51

      The State of Israel is a modern restoration of the ancient Jewish homeland. Jacob, the third patriarch, was given the name 'Israel' after his battle with an angel from God. The Jewish people are the Children of Jacob, otherwise known as the Children of Israel. Their homeland is the land of Israel. The official name in Hebrew is "Medinat Yisrael," the State of Israel in English. You say "Who want everything for themselves" ?? LOL How about sharing some land in the Middle East meelo? Israel, the size of the Kruger national Park - and you want them to share that as well. Israel makes up less than 2% of the Middle East while you people occupy over 98% of the land roughly the size of the African continent. So take you attitude about sharing to some other... more racist... more fundamentalist site – its obvious from your hatred why you were not chosen.

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