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French full veil ban goes into force

2011-04-11 11:42

Paris - France's ban on full face veils, a first in Europe, went into force on Monday, exposing anyone who wears the Muslim niqab or burqa in public to fines of €150.

A Muslim property dealer, who is urging women to keep wearing the veil if they want to, has urged supporters to go to Notre Dame Cathedral in central Paris for a silent prayer during the day, and is also offering to help people pay the fines.

France's five-million-strong Muslim minority is Western Europe's largest, but fewer than 2 000 women are believed actually to wear a full face veil.

Many Muslim leaders have said they support neither the veil nor the law banning it.

The timing is all the more sensitive after France's ruling political party, President Nicolas Sarkozy's UMP, called a debate on the place of Islam in France, a move that some say risked stigmatising a portion of the population.

Police received a guide last week to help implement the ban. It tells them not to remove veils by force. It also notes that the ban does not apply inside private cars but reminds policemen such cases can be dealt with under road safety rules.

Rachid Nekkaz, the man who called for the Notre Dame prayer, said in a webcast that he was putting a property worth around €2m up for sale to help fund his campaign.

"I am calling on all free women who so wish, to wear the veil in the street and engage in civil disobedience," he said.

French police arrested 59 people on Saturday who turned up for a banned protest over the veil ban, one of them on arrival in France from Britain, according to a police spokesperson.

Comments
  • Daemos1 - 2011-04-11 12:27

    Le stupid idea if you ask me

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-11 14:13

      All of you people are wrong, just plain wrong! This has nothing to do with religious oppression. This has everything to do with facial identification. You cannot walk into a bank with a ski mask or helmet. The ban is on those whom cover up their face in public. In other words, you can wear whatever you want as long as it doesn't obscure you from being identified.

  • Nunya - 2011-04-11 12:31

    It is France and a Christian country....not a Muslim country. You go to Saudi, you get treated like crap and beware you don't do as they say. (I have been to many Muslim countries) If you should as much as mention anything Christian over there you get your @rse thrown in jail (no fine) Woman from other Christian countries that go to Muslim countries have to obey their rules and regulations, so when going to France, obey theirs. Muslims should stop being arrogant and think their laws are the only ones that count!!

      tkotze - 2011-04-11 12:41

      Although I agree with your sentiments I would say that the law on face-value seems a bit harsh. Unless there is a security risk, why is it necessary to ban it? What if it is a cold winters day and you wrap a scarf around your face only leaving your eyes open. Will this also be illegal? I say while this tradition does not influence security or any other persons' rights let it go. Just make it a law that the person must remove their veils to another women if so requested, but grant them privacy to at least some degree. I would love it if they can enforce the laws on tinted windows in South Africa though!

      Loodpil - 2011-04-11 12:56

      I agree, when in Rome, do as the Romans do... when in France... etc. Since Christian woman are forced to wear Abaya's when they are in Saudi, France should be able to force people not to when they are in France. Our Muslim friends can't expect their bread to always be buttered on both sides.

      Jack Turner - 2011-04-11 12:57

      Brilliantly spoken "Nunya".....................

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-11 12:59

      Please don't start that "Christian country" crap...I remember a b@stard of the past waving his finger in the air and saying "Ons is a Christelike nasie...." and the rest, well..is history...

      Nunya - 2011-04-11 13:01

      @tkotze...Good points. With what's happening these days, is it not a security risk...maybe??

      Nunya - 2011-04-11 13:41

      @Currie_Mafia...yes and. Please comment on the discussion at hand. But even that oom did not ban mosques and such in RSA even when he said we are a Christian nation...nie waar nie.

      Nunya - 2011-04-11 13:47

      I have seen while in Saudi that Saudi men, on weekends drive over to Bahrain and get as drunk as skunks and fornicate with a gazillion prostitutes. After the w/end the all come back home to their fully covered wives and pretend to be the holiest of Muslim holies. The poor wife sits covered like a Christmas gift and is the innocent recipient of VD in this whole sham.

      Currie_Mafia - 2011-04-11 14:06

      NUNya, my response was to your comment....you mention Christianity not the article... Tkotze makes a pertinent point

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-11 14:13

      All of you people are wrong, just plain wrong! This has nothing to do with religious oppression. This has everything to do with facial identification. You cannot walk into a bank with a ski mask or helmet. The ban is on those whom cover up their face in public. In other words, you can wear whatever you want as long as it doesn't obscure you from being identified.

      Nunya - 2011-04-11 14:35

      @Currie_Mafia...fair enough. It just seems wrong that they are against the new French law. Someone from France would get a lot of problems if she walks onto a beach in a Muslim country(most of them) with a bikini. You just don't do it, because you know it is a rule of that country. When I walk in the street over there I shut up and stair straight in front of me. What I am trying to say is when you are in someone else's backyard, go with what their rules say. If I do not like it, I am sure that I am free to leave.

  • Rod - 2011-04-11 12:34

    Great Idea. They want to come to Christian countries and setup mosques but Christians cant go there to setup a church. A muslim in a veil might have no drivers licence and you won't be able to verify it. Or a bank robber who just committed a crime. It might even be a man under there.

      Zee - 2011-04-11 13:24

      Only Saudi Arabia prohibits churches being built, and wrongly so in my opinion. It is legal in every other "Muslim" state/country. You also cannot build a mosque in the Vatican City. Sovereign states are just that though, so I guess we can only hope that everyone practises some tolerance!

      JT4 - 2011-04-11 13:31

      @Zee, dont talk such complete and utter k@k. I would like to see the backlash that would ensue should a church be built in muslim countries like Iran, as it is the christian minorities in places like Lebanon are persecuted by you adn your ilk.

      ArtGee - 2011-04-11 14:57

      Build a PORK RIB JOINT next to A MOSQUE... see how QUICK it will SHUT SHOP!

      Zee - 2011-04-12 16:33

      @JT4 - there are Churches and Synagogues in Tehran you dimwit, over 600 churches in fact. No need to hurl insults - go read it up little one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran. Also regarding your point about christian minorities in Lebanon - once again read up and find that both Muslims and Christians fought against Israel alongside each other in the most recent war in Lebanon. You have NO facts whatsoever yet accuse me of talking rubbish. Next time go read up before opening your uncouth mouth.

  • courage22 - 2011-04-11 12:46

    The Quran says you should dress modestly. It doesn't say wear a veil. Wearing a veil draws even more attention to you. I do believe it would be wise to allow people to choose whether to wear a veil or not. However if France bans them from wearing it, then they should abide by it.

      Virginia - 2011-04-11 13:05

      courage22 its the husband who makes the wife wear the burga, no other man must look at her, yet I have heard from friends visiting the middle east, how these so called husbands, who sell in the market places look and touch the tourist backsides as they pass by. Its all about oppression and being in charge when it comes to the men in Islam.

      courage22 - 2011-04-11 13:46

      @Virginia. I agree that some Muslim use the veil as a form of oppressing their women,but that is a huge minority.Most muslim women are NOT forced to wear the burka, they've chosen to.For some wearing a bukha liberates them (They don't have to wear make-up, shave their eyebrows and botox their lips just to be socially acceptable). You are probably right when you say that these ghastly men would touch the back-sides of the tourists (there is no excuse for that, but I guarantee that their would be less chance of that happening if they wore a burqa). Please note a veil covers the face and a burqa covers the hair and not the face.

      courage22 - 2011-04-11 13:46

      @Virginia. I agree that some Muslim use the veil as a form of oppressing their women,but that is a huge minority.Most muslim women are NOT forced to wear the burka, they've chosen to.For some wearing a bukha liberates them (They don't have to wear make-up, shave their eyebrows and botox their lips just to be socially acceptable). You are probably right when you say that these ghastly men would touch the back-sides of the tourists (there is no excuse for that, but I guarantee that their would be less chance of that happening if they wore a burqa). Please note a veil covers the face and a burqa covers the hair and not the face.

      courage22 - 2011-04-11 13:49

      @Virginia. I agree that some Muslim use the veil as a form of oppressing their women,but that is a huge minority.Most muslim women are NOT forced to wear the burka, they've chosen to.For some wearing a bukha liberates them (They don't have to wear make-up, shave their eyebrows and botox their lips just to be socially acceptable). You are probably right when you say that these ghastly men would touch the back-sides of the tourists (there is no excuse for that, but I guarantee that their would be less chance of that happening if they wore a burqa). Please note a veil covers the face and a burqa covers the hair and not the face.

  • Rob Gunning - 2011-04-11 12:48

    What a repressive law, if you want to wear a suit, shorts or a Burka, it should have nothing to do with anyone except the person wearing it. If they really feel they have to ban clothing, get rid of the Speedo.

      Rob Gunning - 2011-04-14 14:11

      Apparently everyone loves the speedo. I accept that my comment has been defeated.

  • Naraku - 2011-04-11 13:03

    I like it. The veils have nothing to do with Islam, and they perpetuate sexism.

      ArtGee - 2011-04-11 14:58

      The VEILS are there so your mates cannot see you have NOT MARRIED YOUR COUSIN!

  • Naraku - 2011-04-11 13:03

    I like it. The veils have nothing to do with Islam, and they perpetuate sexism.

  • The_Realist - 2011-04-11 13:04

    This is correct in my opinion! if they want to wear their muslim clothing move to a muslim country where NO freedom of religion exists! the rest of the western world should follow France! (remember if a christian is in Saudi Arabia, they are NOT allowed a bible, religious tattoo's, religious jewelry etc)

  • Gurkan - 2011-04-11 13:07

    A European woman, still a woman, is not allowed to drive a car by law in Saudi Arabia. Their police will enforce this. Why not the French to apply their laws and enforce it?

  • JT4 - 2011-04-11 13:33

    Muslim countries and their inhabitants are amongst the least tolerant places, their peers are the likes of North Korea. France belongs to the French and it is French laws that need to govern the populace, not sharia or any other practic from teh dark ages!

  • Dassie - 2011-04-11 13:43

    Well done France. Now for the rest of the free world. Do you think Barac Hussein Osama will do the same in the USA?

  • Nunya - 2011-04-11 13:46

    I have seen while in Saudi that Saudi men, on weekends drive over to Bahrain and get as drunk as skunks and fornicate with a gazillion prostitutes. After the w/end the all come back home to their fully covered wives and pretend to be the holiest of Muslim holies. The poor wife sits covered like a Christmas gift and is the innocent recipient of VD in this whole sham.

  • GeneralCS - 2011-04-11 14:13

    All of you people are wrong, just plain wrong! This has nothing to do with religious oppression. This has everything to do with facial identification. You cannot walk into a bank with a ski mask or helmet. The ban is on those whom cover up their face in public. In other words, you can wear whatever you want as long as it doesn't obscure you from being identified.

      Arno Young - 2011-04-11 14:25

      @GeneralCS; the official position: "Given the damage it produces on those rules which allow the life in community, ensure the dignity of the person and equality between sexes, this practice, even if it is voluntary, cannot be tolerated in any public place," the French government said when it sent the measure to parliament in May. (http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-14/world/france.burqa.ban_1_burqa-overt-religious-symbols-ban-last-year?_s=PM:WORLD)

  • GeneralCS - 2011-04-11 14:19

    Frankly I think that all religion should be banned, because it is harmful to people. Firstly, children have religion forced upon them at an age when they're unable to decide for themselves - brainwashed. Secondly, could you imagine how harmonious a religion-free-world would be? Religion fuels anger, hatred, separation and nothing good comes of it.

      buzz - 2011-04-11 14:53

      Exactly - most religious people are that way from birth, ie they inherit those beliefs as a way of life, and has nothing to do with their actual convictions. The only true religious people are those that convert from one to another, or from atheism - which probably accounts for around 0.05%. The rest are just sheep really - I don't mean that to sound harsh, but to me, its the truth.

      buzz - 2011-04-11 14:54

      Exactly - most religious people are that way from birth, ie they inherit those beliefs as a way of life, and has nothing to do with their actual convictions. The only true religious people are those that convert from one to another, or from atheism - which probably accounts for around 0.05%. The rest are just sheep really - I don't mean that to sound harsh, but to me, its the truth.

      buzz - 2011-04-11 14:57

      Exactly - most religious people are that way from birth, ie they inherit those beliefs as a way of life, and has nothing to do with their actual convictions. The only true religious people are those that convert from one to another, or from atheism - which probably accounts for around 0.05%. The rest are just sheep really - I don't mean that to sound harsh, but to me, its the truth.

  • ArtGee - 2011-04-11 14:55

    Hea about the 'Slam-O's that were kicked out of a "TEASERS" TYPE MUSLIM bar in the South of Paris? They kept CHANTING: "SHOW US A FOOT...SHOW US A FOOT"!!!!

      JT4 - 2011-04-11 15:31

      ROFL

  • Caz - 2011-04-11 15:44

    Thats just crazy, what has happened to freedom of choice???

      sbouttell - 2011-04-12 10:54

      With every freedom comes responsibility. The French Govt. have a responsiblity to ensure the safety of all it's citizens, and can only do so it it can clearly identify all persons all of the time.

  • Charl Burger - 2014-10-20 16:20

    When in Rome,do what the Romans do.And if you don't like it,leave.

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