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Hated filmmaker goes into hiding

2012-09-16 08:24

Los Angeles - A filmmaker linked to an anti-Islamic movie inflaming protests across the Middle East was interviewed on Saturday at a Los Angeles sheriff's station and afterward decided not to return to his home - possibly heading into hiding, authorities said.

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, was interviewed by federal probation officers for about half an hour at the station shortly after 12:00 in his hometown of Cerritos, California, said Steve Whitmore, spokesperson for the Los Angeles County sheriff's department.

After that, deputies dropped Nakoula off at an undisclosed location.

"He is gone. We don't know where he went," Whitmore said. "He said he is not going back to his home."

Federal officials are investigating whether Nakoula, who has been convicted of financial crimes, has violated the terms of his five-year probation. If so, a judge could send him back to prison.

Nakoula went voluntarily to the station, wearing a coat, hat, scarf and glasses that concealed his appearance. His home has been besieged by media for several days.

Guilty of bank fraud

Whitmore said Nakoula was not handcuffed and the heavy apparel was his idea.

The probation department is reviewing the case of Nakoula, who pleaded no contest to bank fraud charges in 2010 and was banned from using computers or the Internet or using false identities as part of his sentence. Whitmore did not disclose other details about the interview.

Federal authorities have identified Nakoula, a self-described Coptic Christian, as the key figure behind Innocence of Muslims, a film denigrating Islam and the Prophet Muhammad that ignited mob violence against US embassies across the Middle East.

Much of the film was shot inside the offices of Media for Christ, a non-profit organisation based in the Los Angeles-area city of Duarte. The charity raised more than $1 million last year "to glow Jesus' light" to the world.

The Riverside County man who was a script adviser to the film and who has a long history of anti-Islamic activism told the Press-Enterprise newspaper that he has received multiple death threats.

"I'm really tired," Steven Klein said when he answered the door of his home in Hemet, California, on Friday with a pistol in his hand and clad only in a pair of white shorts stained with what appeared to be ink spots.

Stand up for his rights

The newspaper said Klein, a Vietnam veteran, appeared agitated. While waving the gun, he told the newspaper he was standing up for his First Amendment rights in helping with the film and said he is prepared to die for those rights.

A federal law enforcement official said authorities had connected Nakoula to a man using the pseudonym of Sam Bacile who claimed earlier to be writer and director of the film.

Violent protests set off by the film in Libya played a role in the attacks in Benghazi that killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other American officials. Anti-US mob protests have since spread to several other countries.

Leaders of Egyptian Coptic and Muslim communities from New Jersey and New York City and its suburbs gathered at a mosque on Saturday in a show of unity. The group, meeting in Jersey City, New Jersey, expressed pain over the wave of protests and appealed for calm.

"Those who did this (film) are not Christian," the Reverend David Bebawi, a Coptic priest, told the gathering of about 30 leaders. "Those who killed the American ambassador and others are not Muslim."

An organiser of Saturday's event, Egyptian-born Muslim Ahmed Shedeed, said as a community with deep roots in America, many are struggling with a range of emotions.

"There is an agony in the community, there is turmoil over this happening," Shedeed said. "It's something we all have to face as a united Egyptian community and make sure those looking to pull us apart do not succeed."

Comments
  • d4zza - 2012-09-16 09:12

    @morgaenart.farto you are everything that is wrong with society.

      LanfearM - 2012-09-16 09:17

      No he isn't. The protesting murderers are what is wrong with humans!

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-16 09:44

    Muzzies are going to cut his balls off. He has caused deaths by making that provocative movie and must face the consequences.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 10:18

      No he has not caused deaths. The ranting, raving, lunatic protesters who are so desparate to take offense are directly responsible for the deaths. Their infantile reaction is a choice they make.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-16 10:51

      He has not done anything wrong in his country but the american ambassador was innocent . . . .

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-17 00:08

      He was perfectly within his rights to make this film. I personally think that it was such a Low Budget & petty film. Looked like a 3rd Grader directed it. I also don't agree with what he was trying to achieve. But once again, it still falls within the Right to Free Speech.

  • ben.louw.5 - 2012-09-16 09:50

    1. Hahaha! Run you bigoted coward! Hahah! Big man on the internet huh. Haha! 2. To the middle eastern folks with their panties in a bunch...seriously? Build a bridge and f-ing get over it. You don't have the right NOT to be offended. Religion is so f-king retarded.

      douglas.reid.921 - 2012-09-16 09:59

      These people take their religion very seriously. Disrespecting anothers belief system bears consequence. You have the right to your beliefs but no right to condemn others. You too should be careful of making enemies of the muslims, they will find you and teach you a harsh lesson.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 10:25

      @ douglas.reid.921 - I see they've got you exactly where they want you. With your clearly Scottish name, are you perhaps related to that Ahmedinejad lackey, George Galloway, by any chance? It is your kind of mentality they want to instill in the west. Too scared to speak out against their pre-medieval savagery and closed-mindedness, no matter how nonsensical it is. Just mindless submission under the guise of 'respect for other cultures' Any religion which mandates the killing of apostates does not deserve respect, but rather ridicule and contempt.

  • gavin.long.94 - 2012-09-16 10:02

    One word for this insanity - Religion

  • Rashida Patel - 2012-09-16 10:28

    So the coward goes into hiding. Wow !! Wonder if Talibans will send bombs and soldiers to america, as it and nato is doing to afghanistan, iraq,somalia

      morgaenart.farto - 2012-09-16 11:05

      Osama swims with the fishes Rashida...he looked good with a 3rd eye blasted into his forehead by the SEAL team.

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-16 13:01

      Rashida Patel, he's a coward you say ... Just enlighten us on why it would be necessary for anyone to 'hide' from the 'Religion of Peace'. Islam claims to be tolerant and peaceful yet mandates killing and encourage it's followers to use violence... Hypocrites ! Go ahead, make a porn movie depicting Jesus, burn Bibles .. how many Christians would go into the streets and kill ? Zero ! A true Christian will NEVER !! kill for his religion.. That's what being a Christian is about, unlike that twisted hypocritical evil religion called Islam.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-17 00:22

      ...and there has been fair amount of bigotry towards Christianity. In fact, all religions have been scrutnised at some point. But its only really the Muslims that seem to see it as their duty, to punish those responsible, for poking fun at their Prophet. They then sink to a FAR lower level than the Bigot himself.

  • sintjohn.witbooi - 2012-09-16 10:28

    You shall name him Ishmael, He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility towards all his brothers.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 11:07

      Oh Fatima, you're beginning to come across a little monotonous now. Can you formulate a reasoned argument, or is this repetetive rant the best you can do?

  • imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-09-16 10:33

    He violated his parole conditions,he should have been locked up and not set free but I doubt he did it. He has nothing to gain and everything to loose by creating conflict between his own ppl and the muslims in egypt.I think its the work of the zionizt

      Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-16 10:41

      He was just exposing them for the sick people that they are.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 10:53

      The resulting protests cannot be blamed on the film, while it may have been a trigger (but not a root cause), but rather the deep-seated aggression and psychosis amongst the communities where they took place. If anything, all this film has done is expose Islam, and monotheistic, Abrahamic religions overall as backwards thinking doctrines of violence and hatred and are in no way, shape or form a means of attaining eternal bliss or interaction with the divine. If this was a few hundred years ago in Europe, blasphemers against God or Jesus would have suffered the same fate, or worse, as the US Ambassador, Chris Stevens and his 3 colleagues, so Christianity cannot even claim moral highground here.

      jaba.kov - 2012-09-16 10:54

      It is amazing - Tens of thousands Muslims are dying in Syria and there's hardly any protest in the Muslim world, but a 15 minute long YouTube video makes them go wild. The maker of the movie was a Coptic Christian who now lives in the US... he is not a Jew (Zionist). As much as you want to blame Jews for this Movie you can not. For you Imitiaz, Jews are to blame for everything that is bad in this world... for earthquakes in Haiti to famine in Africa, to Tsunamis in Japan and the asteroid that will one day hit planet earth. You Imitiaz are no better than the racist guy who made this movie in the first place. Hypocrite.

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-17 02:33

      Wake up Imtiaz. Your community is being slaughtered by other members of your community, nobody else.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-16 10:39

    Nice to see these religious idiots are heading for another world war and kill each other off. We need to live in a world full religious dictators.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-09-16 10:51

    Correction: we need to live in a world free of religious dictators.

  • sekwati.robinson - 2012-09-16 10:54

    muslims have a huge problem..every time they are enraged they blow stuff up,I'm starting to think they are serving no God at all...they're just using this muslim religion nonsense as an excuse..what happened to sitting down and discusing issues if you don't agree with one another...maybe I should read the Quran I might understand their behaviour...

  • tshepo.maganedisa - 2012-09-16 10:58

    He had no right going around dissing Islam and now that the muslim are retaliating everyone seems to be taking the American side, this producer was supposed to be called into order long before this movie was released considering the tense relationships between Muslims and the Americans, i am sorry but dont feel any remorse to the Americans its their bed and they must doze on it

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 14:28

      Excuse me Tshepo, but you seem woefully confused about the meaning of the word 'retaliating'. I do not think it means what you seem to think it means. To you, retaliation seems akin to a person killing their neighbour, burning his corpse then urinating on the ashes and feeding the urine soaked ashes to his widow and children before setting them on fire, all because he caught him stealing their newspaper. You are not talking retaliation, Tshepo, but rather insanely disproportionate, unjustified violence.

      Billy - 2012-09-18 12:35

      tshepo, the filmaker iS EGYPTIAN the muslim idiots will take ANY oppertunity to kill someone who is not muslim. i mean ANY excuse, they think its a free ticket to heaven. in other religions if you give your live for another, in other words try to SAVE someone, its a free ticket to heaven. these muslims must be stopped.

      riedwaang - 2012-09-26 08:03

      @bob... you really are a complete moron. plz stfu and stop trolling

  • Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-16 10:58

    my my my,how the muslims cry!yet on a daliy basis christianity is ridiculed and slanderd.dare have a bible or preach the word in certain countries and your arrested,tortured or executed for doing so!and yet the world goes on!and now 1 stinking movie and the whole world's in uproar....lol priceless!

      morgaenart.farto - 2012-09-16 11:07

      The Truth hurts Derick

      markus.esterhuyse - 2012-09-16 12:12

      As a Christian its not our place to sow hatred violence but love to all people! For you to laugh at this shows how immature you are ! I bet if I called your wife and mother whores you would get angry? Try and beat me up and it would not be so funny! Every man has the right to believe in what he wants. This movie is not about freedom of expression but hate speech! Why is he hiding?

      imraan.chothia.7 - 2012-09-16 12:22

      Markus i went true all the comments and would like to agree with yours :)

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 15:02

      @ ziyaad - and if what was stated in the movie wasn't true, why are the Muslims who are so violently protesting so offended by it? Are they child-like in mind or something? Are they simply unable to construct reasoned counter arguments, or to simply dismiss that which they deem disagreeable?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 15:50

      @ Ziyaad - I think you're missing the point. Nobody got murdered when prince Harry or Malema made their public blunders now, did they?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 17:43

      @ Ziyaad - you will find numerous posts of mine indicating I do not feel it is all Muslims, but there is a disproportionate amount of Muslims in certain countries who are quite eager to spill out into the streets at the drop of a hat. This cannot be denied. There are also those who claim to be 'moderate' Muslims who seem reluctant to strictly condemn the violent protests in response to the movie. It is highly probable that more will die due to this worldwide protest.

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-16 22:48

      @ markus....buddy as a christian myself and a child of the most high, I dnt need to get angry at statements like that...the bilble teaches me to be humble and slow to anger.why must I get angry when all I have to do is get down on my knees and firstly forgive them 4 what they have done or said and yet also say to my lord \I leave them them in your hands lord,you will not mine be done\.....secondly if u had taken the time to read my comment properly u would have realised that I was not laughing at the situatuon but at the irony of it.

      Billy - 2012-09-18 12:37

      ziyaad, FIRST OF ALL, boere didnt go out and KILL PEOPLE when malema sang his silly little song. SECOND OF ALL, if it was a video on youtube, boere could just ignore it, but he was chanting it on the news and in the streets. there is NOTHING you can say that will justify the murdering.

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2012-09-16 11:13

    Yes, the Muslims should not react so violently but why did the filmmaker make a film knowing that it would provoke anger? Is it a moderate movie and he knew that tickets will sell due to all the free publicity? Must freedom of speech really have no boundaries?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 11:56

      The violent reaction of the protesters is exactly why we must have unrestricted free-speech. The protesters are the problem as they appear to be intellectually incapable of engaging in rational debate and actually prefer their ever-so-predictable response to any percieved slight against their prophet.

      allcoveredinNinjas - 2012-09-18 14:14

      Yes, old arguement . If the movie gets banned so should the religous texts as they are provocative , incite violence , bigoted , offensive and discriminatory, condones child rape , condones genocide and aplethura of other nicities.

  • Maxodin - 2012-09-16 11:52

    There is a distinct drive in the world to discredit religion. We Christians do nothing when people berate our faith. Now some coward makes a mockery of the Muslim faith and people get hurt. Did Americans not learn something with 9/11 and the ensuing events. Are they now looking for a religious war. I say hand that guy over and let him answer to the Muslim community. This world is filled with yapping anti religious cowards we won't stand up for what they believe and don't believe. Case and point, he went into hiding.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-16 15:04

      You are a sell-out. This man did nothing wrong in his country and the american ambassador was innocent.

  • dariusedwin - 2012-09-16 12:05

    U shldnt run away buddie, be like Julius, when u coz unrest take responsility of your action. Juju even said he is not afraid to go to jail. Tell us why u made the film so that we can understand, maybe the Muslims will understand as well.

  • markus.esterhuyse - 2012-09-16 12:20

    As a Christian its not our place to sow hatred violence but love to all people! For you to laugh at this shows how immature you are ! I bet if I called your wife and mother whores you would get angry? Try and beat me up and it would not be so funny! Every man has the right to believe in what he wants. This movie is not about freedom of expression but hate speech! Why is he hiding? I apologize to the Muslims for the hurt and pain this movie has caused! The foolishness of the producer, please try and forgive him?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 14:53

      @ hanif.manjoo - 'As for atheists.... to reach such a state of disbelief, you must be intellectuals, having studied Kant, Nietsche, Marx, etc. Some of your banal comments here do not help the cause but show you up as moronic!' Of course, the religious people of the world, especially Muslims, are handling this situation sooooo much better aren't they? Your naive Christian friend is making a fallacious error in equating the irrationality of violent, chaotic protest and murder with 'standing up for violation/belittling of their religion' There is a difference between the two concepts your friend mentioned. We are not seeing much vociferous boycotts or non-violent protests in comparison to the overwhelming majority of violence, psychosis and wanton destruction/murder. Who cares if the crucifixes your friend's celebrities wear are made of platinum, solid gold or crystallized unicorn tears. All she has demonstrated is the overall hypocrisy of her co-religionists, no more no less. The miniscule amount of protests such as these - http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI - however reassuring this particular one is, in relation to the large amount of violent attacks on embassies / consulates / heck, even American fast food restaurants, is evidence of the overwhelming (not total, but still predominant) hypocrisy of Muslims.

  • Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 14:16

    When we see more of this, we will be heading in the right direction, in fact this gesture in itself gives me hope. Good for these decent Muslims for standing up against their savage co-believers. http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI

  • derek.bredenkamp.3 - 2012-09-16 15:58

    Why isn't this idiot behind bars for inciting violence and hatred? Or is that acceptable behavior in the US?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 16:19

      Derek - he incited violence as much as girls wearing miniskirts incite rape. He may have done a silly thing producing such a poorly made film, but he is not the one to blame, not even remotely, for the wanton violence and destruction which resulted from an unreasonable mass of imbeciles being unable to simply shrug their shoulders and say something to the effect of 'sticks & stones.....'

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 17:48

      @ hanif.manjoo.1 - I take it you're implying that the movie and the riots etc are simply a convenient outlet for the deeper frustration of the occupation of the middle east? That is a fair point, if that's the point you're making.

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-17 08:56

      @ hanif - Now I can understand the people of the middle-east countries being occupied having a serious issue with the presence of foreign forces, especially with the questionable motives for the occupation. But all this does is prove that the movie is not then issue at all and is therefore blameless. What of the recent case in Pakistan where a mentally retarded girl was accused of burning pages from the Quran and it now comes to light that the local imam is suspected of framing her i.e. he is likely the one who burnt the pages. There appears to be no big worldwide protests against this. We don't find non-muslims, or even muslims, trashing mosques around the world because of this, do we? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19454739

  • Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 16:00

    This is a Huffington Post article about another article (Onion News) on this topic and it kind of makes the point about why the world has come to expect certain muslim societies to go off the deep end at every opportunity in such cases. So much so it is becoming tiresome. While the reaction is expected, it should in no way be tolerated by the world, as much as we should not tolerate temper tantrums of badly behaved infants. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/the-onion-no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image_n_1884226.html?utm_hp_ref=comedy

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 17:02

      So now it's MY video is it, Ziyaad? I love the irony in your statement - 'Don't like our religion then simply shut the hell up.' - so why the should those who don't subscribe to your religion be exposed to the archaic, barbaric consequences which seem to follow from violating its archaic, barbaric rules? You are using the Gulf war as a red herring to distract from the real issue of barbaric, primitive, psychotic imbeciles killing somebody over a movie. These are two separate issues. Stay on point Ziyaad. Or is that difficult for you?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 17:31

      Fair point if it turns out the killings were not due to the move, but on the subject of the movie, the director is hiding because he has good reason to be scared of the Backlash by individuals to whom he probably gave way too much credit i.e. he assumed there would be peaceful protests and that his film would spark some heated dialogue, however foolish that assumption / underestimation may have been. Once again though, neither you nor I know his true motivation for creating the film. And while I might support the filmmaker's rights to make the film, that does not imply in any way I support the film, therefore you are plainly incorrect to state it is MY film, simply because I support free speech and freedom of expression. You would do well to read up on logical fallacies, my friend. Just so we're clear though, Ziyaad, would you care to elaborate on precisely what punishment you think the filmmaker deserves and by whom it should be inflicted?

      Bob.Cee123 - 2012-09-16 18:04

      Ziyaad - freedom of expression is either a right or it isn't. Once limits are put on freedom of expression, it is no longer freedom of expression. Incitement to violence on the part of the filmmaker would have to be proven in a court of law. The creation of this movie was not likely an act of willful incitement. If any incitement took place it was much more likely by the religious leaders or radical clerics in the countries affected by the protests.

      gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-09-16 21:14

      @ziyaad http://www.wvinter.net/~haught/Koran.html

      fred.fraser.12 - 2012-09-17 02:38

      Ziyaad again, you only have authority to speak for yourself, no-one else. You are one Ego. You are not everyone's Ego. You are usurping the power given to each human being by God when you pretend to speak for others. Regarding your "thousands of innocent women, men and children that have been murdered by the US, NATO, Britain & France", again you are manufacturing numbers and you are intentionally overlooking the fact that the reason why these countries are in the Middle East is because Al-Quaida and the Taliban (members of your community) declared war on them. Do you even care that HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of innocent Muslims are being slaughtered and maimed by the Jihadists and unelected dictators in your midsts? That's members of your own community. For your own sake, the sake of your community and humanity WAKE UP!!

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-16 19:38

    You know ziyaad.zizoo, it boggles the mind. Many of the actions depicted in that 'film' is in fact accurate. A bit over the top, but in essence accurate. It is after all a satirical film.. Mohammad was a warlord, he did marry- and have sex with a 9 year old. He did kill- and ordered the killing of 1000s of Jews and other tribes that did not want to submit to him and his Islam. He had many wifes, and was unfaithful to them. He defended his indiscretions by saying that Allah said this and that, so he was an outright liar as well. He advocated breaking treatices when his forces regrouped an strengthened, making him a deceiver (just like Allah - the great Deceiver) So, let's see, Mohammad was: A Liar, A adulterer,, A pedophile, A Murderer, A Deceiver, A false prophet, A war monger. Yep, that film looks spot-on old chap.

      imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-09-16 20:17

      Raymon I don't know where u get your information to believe the movie is based on fact. Prophet muhammad (pbuh) was never a warlord and never had sex with a 9 year old. You idiots take things out of context and distort it to suit your agendas. With your morals its ok to have one night stand with diffirent women but not not to have more than one wife and take care of them. He had treatise with jews when he migrated to madina. He is greatest man to put foot on this earth. Research was done by non muslims confirm that he was the greatest man to come in this world.

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-16 22:23

      Hi imtiaz I would just like to know if this is false doctrine that I am about to quote to you now! Sahih bukhari volume 5,book 58,number 236:narrated hishams father:khadija died 3 yrs before the prophet departed to medina.he stayed there for 2 yrs or so and then he married aisha when she was a girl of 6 years of age, and he consumated that marriage when she was 9 years old..........sahih muslim book 008,number 3310:aisha(allah be pleased with her)reported that allah's apostle(may peace be apon him)married me when I was six years old,and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old........sahih bukhari volume 7,book 62,number 64 narrated aisha:that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consumated his marriage when she was 9 years old,and she remained with him for 9 years(I.e.,till his death)....the prophet also speaks of a vision that he had of an angel presenting aisha to him wrapped up,my question is...now was she wrapped up as a woman,teenager or baby?explain that vision to me?I could quote the passage for u but I'm sure as a muslim you must know all the hadith doctrines!

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-17 00:44

      @gerhard: Oh Snap !!

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-17 07:32

      Uhm so your saying here publicly that the authenticated hadith transcripts is garbage?btw the sites that u are referring to is muslim sites I got the quotes from!would u like me to give u the url's?there's plenty. :)

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-17 08:41

      Ok so here is some facts...the first book I quoted from.here is the site www.sahih-bukhari.com /sahi bukhari one of the most authentic collections of the islamic Sunnah.Bukharis collection is recognised by the overwhelming majority of the muslim world to be one of the most authentic collections of the Sunnah of the prophet(pbuh).sahih bukhari is a collection of sayings and deeds of the prophet Muhammed,Also known as the sunnah,the reports of the pro\r\nphets(saw) sayings and deeds are called ahadeeth.........I quoted from the sahih muslim book also!Sahih transltes as authentic or correct:Sahih muslim(full title-al-musnado al-sahihu bi nakil adli)is one of the al-kutub al-sittah(6 major hadiths) of the hadith in Sunni islam,\it is the second most authentic collection after sahih al-bukhari.

      raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-17 10:11

      @imtiaz.osman.5 You said: //Prophet muhammad (pbuh) was never a warlord and never had sex with a 9 year old. // Wow, your ignorance is staggering. Go read the Quaran and the Hadith, and come back with something more substantial than calling 'us' idiots with agendas. Then you said: //With your morals its ok to have one night stand with different women but not not to have more than one wife and take care of them. // You are generalizing. How mature of you ... But don't forget, your precious 'prophet' said it's ok to rape infidels (you need me to quote the verses ? Just let me know which acceptable source material I can use, sinse no-one seem to know which of the Hadith is authentic and which not)

  • Hercules Leonardo Giorgino - 2012-09-16 20:28

    This idiot has put so many lives in danger, what was he thinking. Respect other people's views and religion. Not all muslims are extremists.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-17 00:40

      Dude, are you joking ? People have been ridiculing & poking fun at Christianity for years now. Other religions too. You may just not have heard about it, because, other religious groups don't react to such ridicule in a violent rage. And its not that people are endorsing the film itself. They are endorsing Freedom of Speech. This is most fundamental right that all citizens should have, in a Democratic country. No religion takes preference over that Right.

      Hercules Leonardo Giorgino - 2012-09-17 10:01

      I agree with you 100% Hanif most Muslims are peace loving people who do not denegrate and ridicule other people's religion. I feel ashamed sometimes as a Christian when I do not stand up when people ridicule my religion. There are limitations to freedom of speech, this guy over stepped those boundaries and I would also be angry if he portrayed Jesus Christ in the manner he did the profit Mohammed.

  • Maxodin - 2012-09-17 01:37

    Me a sell out? Nah let's be frank about it. The ambassador was innocent? Maybe in his personal capacity but not as an American ambassador. It was a video made and produced in America by a "Christian" who used a porn director to make a movie slating Islam and making a Julius Malema out of their beloved prophet Mohammed, Insulting them to the core. Mohammed is a centralized figure whom they emulate in their lives hence every Muslim man's first name is Mohammed.

      wade.johnson.58726 - 2012-09-17 02:50

      @Maxoodin; Dude, you're not a sell-out, you're an idiot. The Ambassador was completely innocent. COMPLETELY!! No amount of mockery towards any religion can justify violence. You don't have to agree with what this Director did. I don't. But it still falls within his basic right to Freedom of Expression. But, iI guess, there's no point in arguing with people like you, because you'll still have the same hopelessly misguided opinion.

  • raymon.mcnelly - 2012-09-17 09:34

    ziyaad.zizoo: You'll not respond to my post (not that I expect any Muslim to respond anyway) let me just state that I did read the Koran, and much (not all) of the Hadith. It is not surprising that all Muslims confronted with the ugly truth about their so-called prophet, responds basically in the same way you just did. Usually, it's 'you take the scripture out of context' or 'Those are not authentic, but fabricated lies and fakes..' and '... go read the Koran before you make such and such accusations..' I've heard it all. There are many other examples in the Koran which when I quote them, Muslims cannot argue but instead throws insults and the same old rubbish about context etc. I'm full of hatred and lies you say... mmmm ... I simply stated facts, and I can back it up with quotes from your supposed holy book... Hatred? Seems to me I'm hated just because I refuse to submit to Islam and worship Satan.

      naeema.abrahams.75 - 2012-09-17 20:26

      Introduction to Contradictions\r\n\r\nThe Bible is riddled with repetitions and contradictions, things that the Bible bangers would be quick to point out in anything that they want to criticize. For instance, Genesis 1 and 2 disagree about the order in which things are created, and how satisfied God is about the results of his labors. The flood story is really two interwoven stories that contradict each other on how many of each kind of animal are to be brought into the Ark--is it one pair each or seven pairs each of the \clean\ ones? The Gospel of John disagrees with the other three Gospels on the activities of Jesus Christ (how long had he stayed in Jerusalem--a couple of days or a whole year?) and all four Gospels contradict each other on the details of Jesus Christ's last moments and resurrection. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke contradict each other on the genealogy of Jesus Christ's father; though both agree that Joseph was not his real father. Repetitions and contradictions are understandable for a hodgepodge collection of documents, but not for some carefully constructed treatise, reflecting a well-thought-out plan.\r\n\r\nOf the various methods I've seen to \explain\ these:\r\n\r\n1. \That is to be taken metaphorically.\ In other words, what is written is not what is meant. I find this entertaining, especially for those who decide what ISN'T to be taken as other than the absolute WORD OF GOD--which just happens to agree with the particular thing they happen to want...\r\n\r\n2. \There was more there than....\ This is used when one verse says \there was a\ and another says \there was b,\ so they decide there was \a\ AND \b\--which is said nowhere. This makes them happy, since it doesn't say there WASN'T \a b.\ But it doesn't say there was \a b little green martians.\ This is often the same crowd that insists theirs is the ONLY possible interpretation (i.e., only \a\) and the only way. I find it entertaining they they don't mind adding to verses.\r\n\r\n3. \It has to be understood in context.\ I find this amusing because it comes from the same crowd that likes to push likewise extracted verses that support their particular view. Often it is just one of the verses in the contradictory set which is supposed to be taken as THE TRUTH when, if you add more to it, it suddenly becomes \out of context.\ How many of you have gotten JUST John 3:16 (taken out of all context) thrown at you?\r\n\r\n4. \There was just a copying/writing error.\ This is sometimes called a \transcription error,\ as in where one number was meant and an incorrect one was copied down. Or what was \quoted\ wasn't really what was said, but just what the author thought was said. And that's right--I'm not disagreeing with events, I'm disagreeing with what is WRITTEN. Which is apparently agreed that it is incorrect. This is an amusing misdirection to the problem that the Bible itself is wrong.\r\n\r\n5. \That is a miracle.\ Naturally. That is why it is stated as fact.\r\n\r\n6. \God works in mysterious ways.\ A useful dodge when the speaker doesn't understand the conflict between what the Bible SAYS and what they WISH it said.

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-18 11:57

      Hi naeema I see uve visited the www.bible.islam site where uve copied and pasted this so called contradictions.now there are many refutations to what you just pasted here,I dnt need to go into detail,u can look it up yourself as that is what google is for :).but I will say this though....if the bible is full of contradictions and lies why does the koran say this......Surah 3:3 it is He who sent down to the(step by step),in truth,the book confirming what went before it,and he sent down the law(of moses) and the gospel(of jesus)before this,as a guide to mankind,and he sent down the criterion(of judgment between right and wrong).plz explain this portion of scripture to me?

      naeema.abrahams.75 - 2012-09-18 14:06

      How I see it is that anything that humans could have had influence on could easily be corrupted... Got more of those, plenty more, but will not support idiots trying make the almighty seem like an human that has room for error... We all know that the best way of educating each other is not being influenced by minds that force you to think a certain way, where as we have the greatest gift given to us called choice... At the end of the day, we all have a choice to do and act as we want to, and I decided to exclude myself from being what I was with the previous comment I left... I apologise and would stick to being the outside viewer of the destruction... Its sad to say this, but whatever information that were gathered by this movie will cause people to separate from living together in harmony... This director won, but is the price worth playing men against men? Yes I do know that Islam is so called the faith of war, but this life is only temporary and disrespect towards the almighty would always be something to die for... Please note that I say all this with all the love in the world, but humans will stay humans, and for what its worth, I am human as well

      Derick.kleyn - 2012-09-18 19:23

      :)

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